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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: thundley4 on August 11, 2010, 02:43:28 PM
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Tue Aug-10-10 10:40 PM
Original message
About that bill President Obama signed today to save teachers' jobs
I teach in an urban district. We have about 16,000 students. 10 years ago we had 35,000 students. 300 teachers in my district have been laid off. The bill President Obama signed today will not put any of these laid off teachers back to work. The reason they were laid off is the decline in enrollment. And the reason there is a decline in enrollment is CHARTER SCHOOLS.
The president supports charter schools.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8920645
Waaaahhhhhh!!!! Declining enrollment is also caused by less children being born and families moving away. I doubt that charter schools are completely responsible for the loss of students.
havocmom (1000+ posts) Tue Aug-10-10 10:42 PM
Response to Original message
1. Trying to look hopey changey while going around the side door to screw the public
Edited on Tue Aug-10-10 10:43 PM by havocmom
Don't even get me started on cutting food stamps to help pay teachers.
edited to add: Obama promoting charter schools is Obama working to increase the divide between the haves and have nots.
Sorry DUmmie, unions contribute to the DemonRats, food stamp recipients, eh, not so much.
Jeff In Milwaukee (1000+ posts) Wed Aug-11-10 12:20 AM
Response to Reply #29
45. Oy...
DESTROY PUBLIC EDUCATION....by having an expectation that teachers should display some level of competence.
Here's how some elements (not all, but some) of the teachers' unions are DESTROYING PUBLIC EDUCTION in their own right: When the voters demand accountability, they piss and whine and scream and moan. You know what? Every other profession demands some baseline level of competence. You produce results or you're gone. It's how it works out here in the real world.
By demanding that they NEVER, EVER be held accountable for the actual results of their work, some elements in the teachers' unions are turning voters away from their support of public education. "**** 'em -- if the teachers refuse to be held accountable, I'll enroll my kid someplace where the teachers WILL accept accountability."
Understand This: I can ardently support public education and NOT be a fan of the local teachers' union. Demanding accountability from teachers is not DESTROYING PUBLIC EDUCATION. In fact, accountability just might be the most important element in saving it.
What would you like on your pizza?
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I'll have to go over and see the reaction to Jeff. I agree with him 100%. These highly paid moonbat commies are turning out a bunch of morons from the schools.
Off topic, I just wanted to post this, RE the announcement to not link to the Las Vegas Journal. If I'm reading this correctly, DU is being sued, like we were warned about. Link to DUmp (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=8925806&mesg_id=8925806)
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300 teachers in my district have been laid off. The bill President Obama signed today will not put any of these laid off teachers back to work.
So have your union teacher buddies go work for the charter schools, moron.
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Nobody responded to Jeff, but here's a DUmmie fight: The first post is addressing Ann.
REP (1000+ posts) Tue Aug-10-10 11:31 PM
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32. Your district's - KCMO - schools are dangerous and poorly staffed. That's why they lose students.
I was unlucky enough to attend KC schools with their crappy teachers in the 70s and 80s. My junior high had armed security guards; one of them was reassigned after harassing female students (a practice he continued at his next assignment at one of the high schools). I don't have the time to catalogue the various incompetencies of the teachers, but they ranged from mild to criminal. I can't imagine the situation has improved much in the intervening years. Parents who can make a choice do - to send their kids to Sion, any of the Shawnee Mission schools, or any place else where there's a chance their kids will be taught something other than which drunk teacher is most likely to set the break room on fire.
proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Tue Aug-10-10 11:42 PM
Response to Reply #32
35. I think it has more to do with marketing
Tell me a free Wii wouldn't have persuaded you to leave that junior high and enroll in a charter school. Or maybe $200? A free computer?
REP (1000+ posts) Tue Aug-10-10 11:50 PM
Response to Reply #35
40. I would've paid $200 and given a Wii to get out of those cesspool schools staffed with morons
proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Tue Aug-10-10 11:50 PM
Response to Reply #40
41. Yet you didn't?
LOL
Sounds like stupid Beth.
REP (1000+ posts) Tue Aug-10-10 11:59 PM
Response to Reply #41
43. Not an option back then. But you know that, right?
I remember the SpEd students when I was in college, so I can type slowly for you...
:lmao:
Why are the teachers unions considered so powerful? It's not like these idiots are indispensible. Let em go on strike, and staff up with scabs. Don't need all those administrators anyway. Furthermore, does anybody here remember having teacher's aids in their classrooms growing up? We never had them, and now the schools are lousy with them. Closest thing we had were student teachers.
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REP (1000+ posts) Tue Aug-10-10 11:50 PM
Response to Reply #35
40. I would've paid $200 and given a Wii to get out of those cesspool schools staffed with morons
REP (1000+ posts) Tue Aug-10-10 11:59 PM
Response to Reply #41
43. Not an option back then. But you know that, right?
I remember the SpEd students when I was in college, so I can type slowly for you...
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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REP (1000+ posts) Tue Aug-10-10 11:59 PM
Response to Reply #41
43. Not an option back then. But you know that, right?
I remember the SpEd students when I was in college, so I can type slowly for you...
That's some funny stuff right there, I don't care who you are, that's funny! :rotf:
REP may be RIP before this thread is finished. :lmao:
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Just today we've seen big fights--and big smackdowns--over food stamps for felons and now this. There are plenty of other fights they have that I would never have imagined possible 2 years ago. Try wandering over to the "gungeon" some time.
Socialism is unsustainable even with its own safe harbors.
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proud2BlibKansan
I teach in an urban district.
Documented evidence as to why neither Johnny, Jamal, Jessica, nor Jasmeka can read.
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What these highly educated elitists don't understand that without any changes in in the system, this 26B is only a band-aid. In a few years they will be in the same position as they are in now. With a different party in power, they very well may be up a creek.
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In NJ Christie asked the Union to allow Teacher's pay cuts to save jobs, the Union said no, and Teachers were fired, seems like it was the fault of the Union to me.
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In NJ Christie asked the Union to allow Teacher's pay cuts to save jobs, the Union said no, and Teachers were fired, seems like it was the fault of the Union to me.
Wasn't even pay cuts but to forego a pay increase.
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Wasn't even pay cuts but to forego a pay increase.
Ooops, you're right.
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What these highly educated elitists don't understand that without any changes in in the system, this 26B is only a band-aid. In a few years they will be in the same position as they are in now. With a different party in power, they very well may be up a creek.
Agreed. With repeated bailouts, there is no incentive for locals to fix what caused the shortfall in the first place. If they do have the money in the future, they will squander it elsewhere then go hat in hand back to the federal government for more.
Everything the left has their hand in destroys responsibility and initiative.
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What these highly educated elitists don't understand that without any changes in in the system, this 26B is only a band-aid. In a few years they will be in the same position as they are in now. With a different party in power, they very well may be up a creek.
Now I may be all wee wee'ed up here but wasn't much of this money to go to states to help shore up the retirement pay? I thought I heard that somewhere, anyone care to comment on how this bailout works ??
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Now I may be all wee wee'ed up here but wasn't much of this money to go to states to help shore up the retirement pay? I thought I heard that somewhere, anyone care to comment on how this bailout works ??
It's real simple, they take your money and give it to someone else.
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Tue Aug-10-10 10:40 PM
Original message
About that bill President Obama signed today to save teachers' jobs
I teach in an urban district. We have about 16,000 students. 10 years ago we had 35,000 students. 300 teachers in my district have been laid off. The bill President Obama signed today will not put any of these laid off teachers back to work. The reason they were laid off is the decline in enrollment. And the reason there is a decline in enrollment is CHARTER SCHOOLS.
The president supports charter schools.
The reason enrollment is down is because in your district, Mikey/Mary, can't frikkin' read do to the lousy job you do, asshat!
So suck on your failure, DUmbass!
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Tue Aug-10-10 10:42 PM
Response to Original message
1. Trying to look hopey changey while going around the side door to screw the public
Edited on Tue Aug-10-10 10:43 PM by havocmom
Don't even get me started on cutting food stamps to help pay teachers.
edited to add: Obama promoting charter schools is Obama working to increase the divide between the haves and have nots.
Bummer supports charter schrools? Gimme me a break and shove a banana in yer ass!
If that's the case, why did he stop the voucher program in DC, the most useless public education in the Nation!