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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Ralph Wiggum on August 11, 2010, 01:38:07 PM
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sixmile (1000+ posts) Wed Aug-11-10 02:35 PM
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DU being sued by Righthaven for copyright infringement (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8925806)
http://www.rfcexpress.com/lawsuit.asp?ID=62274
from the lawsuit:
RFC Case Number: C-R10-1356D
Court Case Number: 2:10-cv-01356-RLH-RJJ
File Date: Tuesday, August 10, 2010
Plaintiff: Righthaven LLC
Plaintiff Counsel: Joseph C. Chu, Steven A. Gibson, John C. Coons of Righthaven LLC
Defendant: Democratic Underground, LLC
David Allen
Cause: 17:501 Copyright Infringement
Court: Nevada District Court
Judge: Chief Judge Roger L. Hunt
Referred To: Magistrate Judge Robert J. Johnston
http://m.lasvegassun.com/news/2010/aug/10/5-more-websit... /
'Las Vegas Review-Journal Publisher Sherman Frederick likens copyright infringement of his newspaper's online content to the hypothetical theft of a classic Corvette from his front yard.
But in the real world, Frederick and his copyright enforcement partner don't appear to be making many friends among Corvette enthusiasts.
On Monday, the R-J's copyright enforcement partner, Righthaven LLC, filed a copyright infringement lawsuit in U.S. District Court against the owner of the www.corvetteforum.com website.
That suit, one of five federal cases filed by Righthaven on Monday in Las Vegas, listed as defendants Internet Brands Inc. of Los Angeles and Internet Brands Chief Marketing Officer Chuck Hoover.
The suit says an R-J story from June 20 called "Reid machine dwarfs Angle" was posted on the Corvette website without authorization.
Much more at the above DUmmy link. :popcorn:
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Hawkeye-X (1000+ posts) Wed Aug-11-10 02:39 PM
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2. Hell, maybe by the end of this lawsuit, DU could own R-J
and turn it to a liberal newspaper for everyone!
Guess they don't understand the "fair use" law.
But most likely it'll be dismissed and encouraged to go after FreeRepublic.com which is notorious for failing to moderate their own people.
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Uh, I remember when freerepublic was sued--some weeks before Skins's island--the primitives were jumping in joy and jubilation.
I didn't say anything at the time, because I knew what was coming down, and wanted to see if the primitives changed their tune.
The primitives changed their tune.
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Uh, I remember when freerepublic was sued--some weeks before Skins's island--the primitives were jumping in joy and jubilation.
I didn't say anything at the time, because I knew what was coming down, and wanted to see if the primitives changed their tune.
The primitives changed their tune.
This all has something to do with what is pinned at the top of each forum here. DUmmies don't care, they just want everything for free.
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I'm not going to rejoice in this. If it was only about copyright infringements, that could be handled by a simple takedown request. I don't think it is. These people are thugs using the courts to bully site owners into paying out large sums of money.
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Hawkeye-X (1000+ posts) Wed Aug-11-10 02:41 PM
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4. That's what we pay DU for - legal issues.
I'm sure their legal eagles will be pointing out that the LBN is carefully crafted to follow the fair use law, and that the R-J a-holes are shooting from the hip and trying to snare $$ - it'll fail, and I'm hoping as a result of their idiocy, the corporation will have no choice but to liquidate their entire holdings.
Maybe DU can use Reid to lean on them to tell them to knock it off.
Hawkeye-X
Legal eagles at DU? :rotf:
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I'm not going to rejoice in this. If it was only about copyright infringements, that could be handled by a simple takedown request. I don't think it is. These people are thugs using the courts to bully site owners into paying out large sums of money.
I'm not either. This is a complicated issue, I'm laughing at the DUmmy comments.
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I'm not going to rejoice in this. If it was only about copyright infringements, that could be handled by a simple takedown request. I don't think it is. These people are thugs using the courts to bully site owners into paying out large sums of money.
I think you're right. I think the lawsuits are filed in hopes of scaring the defendants into making out of court settlements. I'm no lawyer and don't have any background in law, but it seems like the proper order would be :
1. Filing a copyright infringement/takedown notice.
2. If number one fails, then file a lawsuit.
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I'm not either. This is a complicated issue, I'm laughing at the DUmmy comments.
Same here; I'm not laughing at the lawsuit, which of course is a serious matter, no matter who's being sued.
I am however laughing at the primitives, who changed their tune so abruptly.
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Hell, why shouldn't we laugh at them? The chiefs here are smart enough to read the tea leaves and post a serious warning:
http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,46877.0.html
...and the rest of us are smart enough to pay attention to what we're posting, and whether or not it's from any on the lititigious list.
We're not calling them DUmmies for no reason.
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Hawkeye-X (1000+ posts) Wed Aug-11-10 02:41 PM
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4. That's what we pay DU for - legal issues.
Is that what the fundraisers are for? :rotf:
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Oh, hey, just read some more of the story. They want the DU's domain name! :rotf:
Waitaminnut....Er...why?
Guess it's a scalp/trophy. But under what legal theory can Righthaven sue for that as well as monetary damages? Perplexed.
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Same here; I'm not laughing at the lawsuit, which of course is a serious matter, no matter who's being sued.
I am however laughing at the primitives, who changed their tune so abruptly.
I agreee with you Frank, this is no laughing matter.
Now, what I want to know is just who the hecks mole got hold of the keys to the Du Clown Car an ran it into the ditch?? :-) Or was it W / KKKarl / Limbaugh / Beck who did it?? Certainly it couldn't have been one of the real members of the greatest brain trust in history, could it??
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I agreee with you Frank, this is no laughing matter.
Now, what I want to know is just who the hecks mole got hold of the keys to the Du Clown Car an ran it into the ditch?? :-) Or was it W / KKKarl / Limbaugh / Beck who did it?? Certainly it couldn't have been one of the real members of the greatest brain trust in history, could it??
You think moles from here may have deliberately posted copyrighted material on the DUmp and then alerted the copyright holders? I would never have done that.
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You think moles from here may have deliberately posted copyrighted material on the DUmp and then alerted the copyright holders? I would never have done that.
Don't start any conspiracy theories for the DUmmies, thundley! :evillaugh:
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As of today "pampango" is still posting:
http://demopedia.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4500341#4500501
I couldn't find anything in his posts after backtracking him that would suggest that he's anything but a genuine DUmmie:
http://www.boardtracker.com/profile/4129/195051
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They still have the post up. I suppose there's no point in their removing it now. I'm not posting the DU link because for all I know that could be trouble (since it includes both the article paragraphs and the link to the Las Vegas Review-Journal). Pampango just posted the article without comment, so I'm just including the (very few) responses:
Bryn (1000+ posts) Thu May-13-10 03:06 PM
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1. There's no such thing as "the Tea Party"
It's just a made up stuff by teabagger dirt group wasting away tea leaves.
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happygoluckytoyou (1000+ posts) Thu May-13-10 03:21 PM
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2. that's what nevada needs..... a f'ing conservative--- so much for the vegas hotel staff
Edited on Thu May-13-10 03:21 PM by happygoluckytoyou
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SoapBox (525 posts) Thu May-13-10 03:35 PM
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3. Lowden is the Barter with Chickens one?
Chickens anyone?
http://lowdenplan.com /
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You think moles from here may have deliberately posted copyrighted material on the DUmp and then alerted the copyright holders? I would never have done that.
You maybe BUTT me...I support all VRWC black ops programs...
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You think moles from here may have deliberately posted copyrighted material on the DUmp and then alerted the copyright holders? I would never have done that.
Remember, OPSEC still applies to Operation LBN, mmmmkay ?
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I'm being cautious and not hitting any links right now. Was there any mentions of the Digital Millennium Copywrite Act? If there is that's how they can glom up the domain name. There's lots of precedent for that.
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The LV Sun article mentioned it, but R-H claims the DMCA doesn't apply because they were never formally contacted and asked for permission before the articles were posted online.
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Someone's been doing some digging.
http://beforeitsnews.com/story/115/505/RightHaven_the_Blog_and_Forum_lawsuit_firm_and_the_ties_to_Obama....SHOCKING.html (http://beforeitsnews.com/story/115/505/RightHaven_the_Blog_and_Forum_lawsuit_firm_and_the_ties_to_Obama....SHOCKING.html)
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OK, so are the people who are doing this friends or acquaintances of Obama?
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Someone's been doing some digging.
http://beforeitsnews.com/story/115/505/RightHaven_the_Blog_and_Forum_lawsuit_firm_and_the_ties_to_Obama....SHOCKING.html (http://beforeitsnews.com/story/115/505/RightHaven_the_Blog_and_Forum_lawsuit_firm_and_the_ties_to_Obama....SHOCKING.html)
Holy crap.
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Holy crap.
It's certainly a big coincidence. :whatever:
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How soon before the DUmpmonkiez see it and ess-plode!!!!1!!!
:hi5:
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Looks like WND has noticed the connection.
Obama pal filing rash of media lawsuits? Group launches 80 copyright infringement claims against websites, bloggers. (http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=185293)
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Looks like WND has noticed the connection.
Obama pal filing rash of media lawsuits? Group launches 80 copyright infringement claims against websites, bloggers. (http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=185293)
I hope this gets out there, as dutch says the effects at DU will be incredible.
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_LQGoAS4lVfE/RxMidpgc-SI/AAAAAAAAACI/mslEFNEuUvw/s400/YOUR_HEAD_A_SPLODE.png)
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8926076)
Wed Aug-11-10 03:05 PM
Original message
Note to self: Piss off Righthaven LLC by posting more R-J articles under fair use policy.
Unless Skinner has ordered a permanent ban on linking to R-J articles.
Skinner?
*crickets* ::)
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*crickets* ::)
Anything from the DUmmies on this Steven A. Gibson dude and him being pals with 0bumbler? This could create an unbelievable DUmp meltdown. :evillaugh:
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DoBotherMe Donating Member (1000+ posts)Wed Aug-11-10 02:21 PM
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1. So who's funding the lawsuit? The Republican Party? I wonder what the complaint is. Dana ; )
Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts)
Wed Aug-11-10 04:35 PM
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66. I wonder if they're tied to organized crime?
mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts)
Wed Aug-11-10 03:16 PM
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36. Isn't the right wing supposed to be opposed to frivolous law suits? Seems they only whine when someone wealthy is a "victim".
rug Donating Member (1000+ posts)
Wed Aug-11-10 03:59 PM
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51. It's all pampango's fault.
http://demopedia.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4500392#4500398
Nothing yet. One of them tried to connect Stephens Media to George Bush but nobody took the bait.
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Anything from the DUmmies on this Steven A. Gibson dude and him being pals with 0bumbler? This could create an unbelievable DUmp meltdown. :evillaugh:
They would label it a coincidence and leave it at that - At this point, I do too - HOWEVER this action of one of their counterparts sheds more light on the kind of politics Obama & Co. practice. Cutthroat, Machivellian, & Dishonest.
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They would label it a coincidence and leave it at that - At this point, I do too - HOWEVER this action of one of their counterparts sheds more light on the kind of politics Obama & Co. practice. Cutthroat, Machivellian, & Dishonest.
I wish I had a mole to burn!
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Uh oh!
okieinpain (1000+ posts) Wed Aug-11-10 05:34 PM
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73. checking out some of the links on the stop righheaven facebook
page and followed one about a connection between the owner of rightheaven and president obama.
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1144773...
president obama has to be the most hated person in america. either he's not doing enough or he's plotting to destroy america with the socialist or terrorist of the world.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4500392
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Uh oh!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4500392
Okie's not long for the DU world now ...
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madinmaryland (1000+ posts) Wed Aug-11-10 04:31 PM
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In light of the recent copyright infringement lawsuits, DU's detailed policy is as follows:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/forums/rules_detai...
Copyright issues and Bandwidth Theft
Do not post entire copyrighted articles. If you wish to reference an article, provide a brief excerpt and include a link to the original source. Generally, excerpts should not exceed three or four paragraphs.
Do not plagiarize.
Do not steal someone else's bandwidth by posting images that are hosted on another website. Democratic Underground is a high-traffic website, so posting images from other sites will cause their server load to increase dramatically, and might even cost the website owner money. If you wish to post an image from another website, you must contact the owner of the other website to get their consent.
Democratic Underground has the ability to block remote linking to images hosted on other websites. If you are a website administrator and you would like images from your website blocked, please send us an email to let us know.
Do not link or share copyrighted digital media such as mp3s or DVDs.
Wherever possible, please make an effort to link directly to the original source of an article, instead of linking to sites that have re-published someone else's content.
This does not address the issues of copyrighted images. Is there a policy we should be following on DU?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8927002
taterguy (1000+ posts) Wed Aug-11-10 07:36 PM
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1. It's spelled copywrited dumbass
:thatsright:
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Taterguy is wrong :rotf:
http://ezinearticles.com/?Technical-Writing---Definition-of-Copyright-and-Copywriting&id=1274103
Definition of Copyright and Copywriting
You can apply for a copyright or you can apply for some copywriting, but they're totally different things. In the first case, you're asking for a document that gives you the right to publish something. In the second, you're asking for a writing job. Writers often get them confused.
Copyright
A copyright is a legal document issued by the Copyright section of the United States Patent Office. It states that the person named on the document as the author owns the right to publish the written material designated in the document. That doesn't mean that the person named actually wrote the copy, only that he or she has the legal right to publish it.
Copywriting
Copywriting is the act of creating copy or content. Generally, the term refers to writing in the sense of creating non-technical material. It's different from the kind of writing tech writers do. Some jobs that call for copywriting are marketing brochures, magazines, newspapers, and consumer-directed communications. If you're a writer, you might be a copywriter.
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I'm wondering if Righthaven has selectively purchased copyrights to select articles that it knew were being used by sites that had deep pockets or useful domain names. Most sites that are being sued likely posted excerpts and linked backed to the source. When people follow those links it would be easy for the original source of the articles to track where those new visitors came from.
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Uh, I remember when freerepublic was sued--some weeks before Skins's island--the primitives were jumping in joy and jubilation.
I didn't say anything at the time, because I knew what was coming down, and wanted to see if the primitives changed their tune.
The primitives changed their tune.
As a result of that, FR does not allow anyone to post from those news sites. Sometimes, I cannot even post it all together. I believe FR was sued in 1999 to 2000. This is a first time for DU to get sued I think. Never heard of them getting sued. I am surprised this actually happened to them considering it is a large site.
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They'll never make the connection. If Dear Leader himself were to tell them that he encouraged this guy to go after lib sites for violating copyright laws, they'd still find a way to make it Bush's fault.
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I'm wondering if Righthaven has selectively purchased copyrights to select articles that it knew were being used by sites that had deep pockets or useful domain names. Most sites that are being sued likely posted excerpts and linked backed to the source. When people follow those links it would be easy for the original source of the articles to track where those new visitors came from.
Hence the reason for wanting the domain name--Holmes, you're a marvel!
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I'm sorry, but if it indeed was a mole, I have to appreciate a good......
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdGXFdXyOBw[/youtube]
BUUUUUUUUUUUUUURRRRRRRRRRRRRNNNNNNNNNNNNN!
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Has DU ever been sued for copyright infringement or sued for anything? I know FR has.
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Apparently, one of the DUmmies was saying that they weren't "laughing" at Free Republic...... http://www.facebook.com/pages/stop-the-LVRJRIGHTHAVEN-witch-hunt/131089883577553
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I'm trying to find that primitive campfire where the primitives were jumping in joy and jubilation at freerepublic being sued by RightHaven--it was about three weeks, maybe a month, before Skins's island got sued too.
I did find this, for whatever it's worth:
http://infringement.net78.net/righthaven-llc-v-democratic-underground-llc-et-al-copyright/
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Right Haven is suing, left, right, and even apolitical.
http://onlygunsandmoney.blogspot.com/2010/08/righthaven-llc-opposition-organizing.html
List Of Defendants Sued By Right Haven
http://righthavenvictims.blogspot.com/
Quite a list. For this month alone. A good number of them are not political sites. FR was sued in July of 2010.
August 2010 Righthaven Victims 08/11/10 The Democratic Underground democraticundergound.com
08/11/10 Roman Sohor and Wayne Bellinger of LoseTheRadio.net losetheradio.net
08/10/10 Internet Brands Inc. of Los Angeles and Internet Brands Chief Marketing Officer Chuck Hoover corvetteforum.com
08/10/10 Fred Pruitt of Rantburg.com rantburg.com
08/10/10 Pennsylvania and New Jersey public relations executive Dan Cirucci dancirucci.blogspot.com
08/10/10 Stephen Meenehan informationliberation.com
08/10/10 Thomas DiBiase, former assistant U.S. attorney in the District of Columbia nobodycases.com
08/06/10 Margaret Soltan of University Diaries margaretsoltan.com
08/06/10 The Center for Intercultural Organizing interculturalorganizing.org
08/06/10 Second Amendment Sisters Inc. 2asisters.org
08/06/10 Rollcallamerica.com rollcallamerica.com
08/06/10 Buy Dog Beds buydogbeds.org
08/05/10 Democratic Party of Nevada nvdems.com
08/03/10 Silver Matrix LLC and Justin Beech dslreports.com
08/03/10 Serkadis.com, Ezekiel Kennard and Marc Lee serkadis.com
08/03/10 Jerry Ryburg and Ryan Burrage jerryryburg.com
08/03/10 INKONET Networks, SonicVibes Entertainment LLC and Antonio LaRosa wnytruthers.org
08/03/10 Free Speech Systems LLC and Alex Jones prisonplanet.com
08/03/10 Americans for Immigration Reform americansforimmigrationreform.com
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I'm not going to rejoice in this. If it was only about copyright infringements, that could be handled by a simple takedown request. I don't think it is. These people are thugs using the courts to bully site owners into paying out large sums of money.
Yes, a cynical person might say it appears to be more a form of legally-sanctioned shakedown, rather than a real content protection issue.
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I'm trying to find that primitive campfire where the primitives were jumping in joy and jubilation at freerepublic being sued by RightHaven--it was about three weeks, maybe a month, before Skins's island got sued too.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8781835
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8781835
Thank you, sir.
That was the one I was looking for, but couldn't find.
I don't think Google really "sorts" out searches.