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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: thundley4 on August 11, 2010, 09:39:39 AM
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Wed Aug-11-10 09:21 AM
Original message
Sheriff uses food stamp applications to find people with felony warrants
Seven Jackson County law enforcement agencies swept the metro area today to serve 300 felony warrants.
Many people on the list were found with the help of the Department of Agriculture. Their applications for food stamps led police to their whereabouts, according to Sgt. Lane T. Eitel, of the Jackson County Sheriff’s Department.
“We’re not targeting people because they’re on food stamps,†Eitel said. “It’s just another way to find people, that’s all.â€
Labeled “Operation Talon†the sweep was hosted by the Jackson County Sheriff’s Department and will serve warrants in the police jurisdictions of Kansas City, Independence, Grandview, Raytown, Lee’s Summit, Blue Springs and Grain Valley.
“(The warrants) are for everything,†Eitel said, “probation violation, forgery like bad checks, drug warrants, stealing.â€
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8923012
Kali (1000+ posts) Wed Aug-11-10 09:25 AM
Response to Original message
2. oh lovely
can't wait to read DUers comment about how if you aren't doing anything wrong you shouldn't worry about your civil rights. And how if you are poor you don't deserve any.
lunatica (1000+ posts) Wed Aug-11-10 09:34 AM
Response to Reply #2
5. “probation violation, forgery like bad checks, drug warrants, stealing.â€
Felons use you and me as their victims. Four cops were killed in Oakland by a criminal who was violating his probation. Just that morning he raped a woman so when a cop stopped him for a routine traffic violation he shot the cop dead. That's just one example. Later that day he went out in a blaze of fire in a shoot out with the cops.
Don't bring common sense to the argument.
Kali (1000+ posts) Wed Aug-11-10 09:53 AM
Response to Reply #5
21. do you want the local law enforcement looking through your food stamp app?
it's not about the bad guys, it's about YOUR rights
how many of them are you willing to give up in the name of "safety"? Maybe they should be able to go through everybody's medical records, just in case there is a criminal seeking treatment for something - then they can apprehend him/her when they show up for the next appointment...
Here in AZ they photo and fingerprint you if you apply for food stamps - just getting you used to criminal proceedings, I guess.
Hey DUmmie, employers do background checks and this is much different.
SecularMotion (719 posts) Wed Aug-11-10 10:16 AM
Response to Reply #5
31. So everyone getting food stamps with a felony warrant
is a potential rapist and murderer and must be tracked down at all costs?
Gotcha.
Yes.
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SecularMotion (719 posts) Wed Aug-11-10 10:16 AM
Response to Reply #5
31. So everyone getting food stamps with a felony warrant
is a potential rapist and murderer and must be tracked down at all costs?
Gotcha.
Someone with a felony warrant is someone I think the police (and me as a taxpaying citizen) want to be picked up, DUmbass. :banghead:
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Someone with a felony warrant is someone I think the police (and me as a taxpaying citizen) want to be picked up, DUmbass. :banghead:
HA HA!! :cheersmate:
Gotta love the DUmmies way of thinking! EMPTY HEADS! :censored:
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Methinks that the hypocrisy is being missed here, and since this is happening in my county, the original article is somewhat incomplete.
The irony being that it is OK for a federal agency (the Dept. of Agriculture in this case) to cooperate with and provide information to local law enforcement to catch felons with warrants, but it is NOT OK for local law enforcement to provide data and assistance to ICE (a federal agency) to catch deport illegal aliens (particularly those with the same felony warrants)......
Duplicity at its finest.......
doc
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I was just about to bring this over.
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As we suspected:
Kali (1000+ posts) Wed Aug-11-10 03:32 PM
Response to Reply #38
75. there is a hell of a lot less info on a tax return than a food stamp app
in fact ours go to a POBox so good luck "finding" somebody that way
they are used as EVIDENCE in the cases of tax fraud against white collar criminals and I am pretty sure they are obtained with court ordered warrants.
food stamp apps are VERY intrusive and detailed about all kinds of personal information, including letters/interviews with employers/neighbors/landlords, people in the home, medical info etc etc
I'm sure it may make some police work easier, but I'm also sure that isn't really a burden that needs to be added to people already at a disadvantage in our society. Discouraging people from seeking help when they need it because of fear comes across as...well...republican, ya know?
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SMACKDOWN! :evillaugh:
msanthrope (1000+ posts) Wed Aug-11-10 10:57 AM
Response to Reply #53
57. Can you point to where the families starve?
Edited on Wed Aug-11-10 10:58 AM by msanthrope
I didn't read that the food stamps to the families themselves were denied.
proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Wed Aug-11-10 11:20 AM
Response to Reply #57
67. Gee if you had a felony warrant and your kids were hungry, would you apply for food stamps?
Nuclear Unicorn (1000+ posts) Wed Aug-11-10 11:57 AM
Response to Reply #67
96. If I had kids to support I'd do my best not to do anything that would get
me and/or them taken away because I was a criminal who might spend more than a year in prison.
Good parenting and all that.
:bow:
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Lord, that was painful to read. Dumb as a bunch of stumps.
Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts)
Wed Aug-11-10 10:54 AM
Response to Reply #18
54. so entire families take the hit for one person?
Unbelievable that posters on this site are willing to overlook fascism so easily.
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That from a DUmmie who if you asked the definition of fascism three times, you'd get five different answers.
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That from a DUmmie who if you asked the definition of fascism three times, you'd get five different answers.
There's really only one definition for fascism: anything a liberal does not agree with.
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Far be it from them to actually blame the flippin' FELON for creating a situation that would put his/her child in danger. How about this...arrest the damn felon and put the kid in a home where he/she will be properly cared for.
Cindie
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SecularMotion (719 posts) Wed Aug-11-10 10:16 AM
Response to Reply #5
31. So everyone getting food stamps with a felony warrant
is a potential rapist and murderer and must be tracked down at all costs?
Gotcha.
Only if they rape/murder ANYONE other than you. Otherwise, give `em two thumbs up!
Get it, dirtbag?
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Hey DUmmies. Live by/off the government live by the government rules. It's that simple. Really.
KC
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Kali
how many of them are you willing to give up in the name of "safety"? Maybe they should be able to go through everybody's medical records, just in case there is a criminal seeking treatment for something - then they can apprehend him/her when they show up for the next appointment...
Get universal/single payer healthcare and that's exactly what will happen, and a whole lot more. You're too stupid to realize it, you mooch.
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300 felony warrants?! Holy cow, I need to take a vacation to KC! I'm lucky to see 30, and only 5 or 6 that are ever worth my time to hunt! 300 felons! WOW!
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300 felony warrants?! Holy cow, I need to take a vacation to KC! I'm lucky to see 30, and only 5 or 6 that are ever worth my time to hunt! 300 felons! WOW!
AR, it sounds like a money-making opportunity, doesn't it? :hi5:
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AR, it sounds like a money-making opportunity, doesn't it? :hi5:
Sure as hell does! I'll need to check to see if they honor my license, but sounds like a gold mind if I could hook up with the right agency! Who knows, may have to take a workin' vacation. I still have a few relatives in KS.
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Sure as hell does! I'll need to check to see if they honor my license, but sounds like a gold mind if I could hook up with the right agency! Who knows, may have to take a workin' vacation. I still have a few relatives in KS.
Whatchya waitin' for? :drool: Snap to it! :cheersmate:
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Kali (1000+ posts) Wed Aug-11-10 03:32 PM
Response to Reply #38
75. there is a hell of a lot less info on a tax return than a food stamp app
in fact ours go to a POBox so good luck "finding" somebody that way
they are used as EVIDENCE in the cases of tax fraud against white collar criminals and I am pretty sure they are obtained with court ordered warrants.
food stamp apps are VERY intrusive and detailed about all kinds of personal information, including letters/interviews with employers/neighbors/landlords, people in the home, medical info etc etc
You Lie. "Food stamps" don't go to any P.O. Box or address. It's all done electronically now. Receipients are given a type of debit card to use which reloads once a month.
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food stamp apps are VERY intrusive and detailed about all kinds of personal information, including letters/interviews with employers/neighbors/landlords, people in the home, medical info etc etc
Oh good Lord this dump monkey is actually complaining that the application to get freebies is intrusive.
Hell I'm surprised he isn't bitching that the govt just doesn't know who needs them and who doesn't so that you don't even have to fill out an application. DUmmies are the type of people who you can give a winning lotto ticket too and they will bitch that they have to go across town to cash it in. :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:You Lie. "Food stamps" don't go to any P.O. Box or address. It's all done electronically now. Receipients are given a type of debit card to use which reloads once a month.
Actually re read the post the dummy was talking about tax refunds going to a po box.
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Oh good Lord this dump monkey is actually complaining that the application to get freebies is intrusive.
Hell I'm surprised he isn't bitching that the govt just doesn't know who needs them and who doesn't so that you don't even have to fill out an application. DUmmies are the type of people who you can give a winning lotto ticket too and they will bitch that they have to go across town to cash it in. :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
Actually re read the post the dummy was talking about tax refunds going to a po box.
Really doesn't matter. You have to give the post office a physical address when you rent the box. Law enforcement can, and do, request the info!
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Really doesn't matter. You have to give the post office a physical address when you rent the box. Law enforcement can, and do, request the info!
That is all this whole DUmmie sphinter contraction is about. LE asked for the addresses of some of their outstanding felons to the Dept of Agriculture and were given them. Woohoo big deal, they tapped a resource. It happens all day, every day in every state all over the country to track people with public information. It's not like they were given a copy of their applications, they got current addresses is all. Tain't nuttin but a thang.
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Oh good Lord this dump monkey is actually complaining that the application to get freebies is intrusive.
Hell I'm surprised he isn't bitching that the govt just doesn't know who needs them and who doesn't so that you don't even have to fill out an application. DUmmies are the type of people who you can give a winning lotto ticket too and they will bitch that they have to go across town to cash it in. :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
Actually re read the post the dummy was talking about tax refunds going to a po box.
Oh yeah. My bad. :cheersmate:
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Really doesn't matter. You have to give the post office a physical address when you rent the box. Law enforcement can, and do, request the info!
Have a physical address AND show a valid ID.
Postal Service doesn't have to give the info to LE, but we often do. The only LE agency that has jurisdiction at the Postal Service is the Postal Inspection Service.
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Have a physical address AND show a valid ID.
Postal Service doesn't have to give the info to LE, but we often do. The only LE agency that has jurisdiction at the Postal Service is the Postal Inspection Service.
That's usually who we contact! All we have to do is show them our paperwork and they are more than willin' to help us out! Have yet to be turned down!
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it's not about the bad guys, it's about YOUR rights
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That's usually who we contact! All we have to do is show them our paperwork and they are more than willin' to help us out! Have yet to be turned down!
A lot has to do with the post master. Most, if not all, will cooperate.
When I worked for a delivery company, I went to a small post office to ask directions for a package with a PO Box for an address. The post master told me that according to postal regs, he couldn't tell me where the house was, but he walked outside with me, pointed and said: "You see that blue house on the hill. That's it." :lmao: