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Current Events => Politics => Topic started by: thundley4 on July 11, 2010, 11:10:03 PM
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INSTEAD OF A LAWSUIT, FIGHT BACK WITH A DEMAND FOR QUO WARRANTO
Dear Editor: The following email was sent to psenseman@az.gov, Governor Brewer’s press secretary:
July 11, 2010
Dear Mr. Senseman,
As you know, there are many unanswered questions about Barack Hussein Obama’s constitutional qualifications to act as President of the United States. Governor Brewer, or any sitting governor, for that matter, has unique standing to challenge Obama on this issue and resolve the constitutional crisis he has perpetrated on the nation by his refusal to prove that he is a “natural born Citizen†by filing a Writ of Quo Warranto (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quo_warranto).
The American people are looking to Governor Brewer to defend her state as she is doing, but also to challenge a man who has most likely assumed the office of President through dissembling and deceit, wire fraud, election fraud, and document fraud.
There is a tremendous amount of circumstantial and other evidence which points to a foreign birth for Obama, and by his own admission, he was born a dual citizen. He has also carefully described himself as “a native citizen of the United States of America†but not a “natural born Citizen.â€
Link (http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/07/11/arizona-governor-can-force-obama-to-prove-hes-eligible-or-not/)
Does Obama have to prove that he has standing to file suit against AZ, or is it enough that it is the US government filing suit?
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:popcorn:
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Obama should just let everyone see his birth certificate, diplomas, other records, etc. If other presidents did/can, why can't he? I think any historian would like to know. The guy obviously has something to hide if he had to lock all of his records up. I'm curious to know either way.
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Perhaps Laelth or one of our other lawyers that frequent here could answer this best. IN MY uneducated opinion, the lawsuit will probably be listed under Eric Holder as the plaintiff (or the office of atty General) or some stupid shit like that.
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It would not likely be treated as germane to the suit, the Federal position rests on a fundamental issue about whether Supremacy precludes State enforcement action in immigration, it is really irrespective of who is holding the office of Chief Executive, that is, it is an issue of the legal relationship between the State and Federal governments, and the authority of each under the Constitution, not one of policy.
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It would not likely be treated as germane to the suit, the Federal position rests on a fundamental issue about whether Supremacy precludes State enforcement action in immigration, it is really irrespective of who is holding the office of Chief Executive, that is, it is an issue of the legal relationship between the State and Federal governments, and the authority of each under the Constitution, not one of policy.
That's sort of what I was thinking. The case would likely be something like "The United States v. The State of Arizona", where no person is listed as plaintiff or defendant.
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why so much hatred and jealousy, really do you think if he wasn't born in the US he could be president, im sure it was investigated by the CIA FBI DHLS prior to his inaguration and he did release his Birth Certificate and even went so far as to post it on his web site, Im a conservative but this just shows that we have no ammunition and are looking for any reason to discredit him. Let him do his job for now he won and more people liked him so he is our president no need to keep pushing old things and saying hes not good enough for the job since he is doing it and no one else could for the last eight years. Bush got us in this mess and Obama is trying to clean it up, hes doing a pretty good job even if he was born in "KEnya"
Are you old enough to post on this site?
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why so much hatred and jealousy, really do you think if he wasn't born in the US he could be president, im sure it was investigated by the CIA FBI DHLS prior to his inaguration and he did release his Birth Certificate and even went so far as to post it on his web site, Im a conservative but this just shows that we have no ammunition and are looking for any reason to discredit him. Let him do his job for now he won and more people liked him so he is our president no need to keep pushing old things and saying hes not good enough for the job since he is doing it and no one else could for the last eight years. Bush got us in this mess and Obama is trying to clean it up, hes doing a pretty good job even if he was born in "KEnya"
No ammunition? Rising debts healthcare rationing, throwing Israel under the bus, forcing everyone to pay ever higher taxes while the economy keeps falling...conservatives have plenty of ammunition. One does not have to be a 'birther' to believe that he should dispel any uncertainties; he is supposed to be serving us, not the other way around. Of course he is not going to do that because he sees himself as an anointed one, but still.
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Its funny you all care about Isreal when it suits you, but otherwise you could not care less. KKK members are wackos displaying Swastikas and hating Jews because they run the world supposidly. It seems to be a selective hatred for convenience.
Say wha?
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Its funny you all care about Isreal when it suits you, but otherwise you could not care less. KKK members are wackos displaying Swastikas and hating Jews because they run the world supposidly. It seems to be a selective hatred for convenience.
You are deluded if you think Lörd Zerø is an effective leader. He was quick to respond to criticism directed against him, but could not be bothered to quit his golf games when the oil spill happened. That is what we call thin skinned, or better yet, a wimp.
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Oil spill, really ? ? ? thats not his fault nor could he do anything about it... on the other hand bush was sitting in a class room when we were "attacked" by "terrorists" and chose to continue sitting there despite a national tragedy. :banghead: Un*uckin Belevable
Obama was just as indifferent about it as you leftists accused Bush of being about Katrina. And drop the bong, 9/11 was not some inside job.
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Oil spill, really ? ? ? thats not his fault nor could he do anything about it... on the other hand bush was sitting in a class room when we were "attacked" by "terrorists" and chose to continue sitting there despite a national tragedy. :banghead: Un*uckin Belevable
It may not be his fault, but he is complicit.
1) The well in question DID NOT EXIST until October 2009.
2) Obama was advised by his own people that the current regulations were too lax. Obama did NOTHING to change them, or to even delay new drilling until his people reviewed it.
3) Once the leak did occur, he did nothing for nearly two months, except blame Bush for an accident to a well that happened on his watch under his approved regulations on a well that was drilled entirely under the Obama administration.
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It was quite convenient that Bush Sr. Hated Sadaam then all the sudden we get attacked after 8 years of peace under clinton, coincidence i dont think so, i dont know if it was an "Inside Job" however I think they knew about it and did nothing to stop it in order to go to war with Iraq and the rest of the middle east, just look at the time line. Think about it.
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2202/2039248362_3607c7d932_o.jpg)
LIHOP? MIHOP? Or did you crap at IHOP?
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It was quite convenient that Bush Sr. Hated Sadaam then all the sudden we get attacked after 8 years of peace under clinton, coincidence i dont think so, i dont know if it was an "Inside Job" however I think they knew about it and did nothing to stop it in order to go to war with Iraq and the rest of the middle east, just look at the time line. Think about it.
You do not remember your history lessons well. The objective of the 1st Gulf war was to get Iraq out of Kuwait. Once that occurred, GHW Bush halted the offensive and went back to attempting to bring peace to the middle east. Many of us feel that GHW Bush's one mistake was he didn't finish the job then. If he did, there would be no Iraq war today. the whole 'Junior went in to Iraq to seek revenge for Poppy' shtick is entirely fabricated.
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hind sight is 20/20 nothing like this had ever happened before so he wouldn't know and to blame obama is nuts??? if it weren't for big oil and greedy people it wouldnt happened. Obama tried to put a moratorium on drilling and the lobbyist and courts stopped him and continued drilling... so :yawn: we need to end our dependence on foreign oil and start using clean renewable energy that is safe for the environment, democrats have been saying it for years.
Biofuels require vast tracts of farmland that will eat into space used for food production which will result in food shortages. Electric vehicles simply remove combustion from the car engine to the power plant. Wind is not constant. And even if you could do all of that without the consequences, you still need oil to produce the plastics that encase those 'renewable' energy devices and asphalt for roads, and various chemicals that make our modern life possible.
The solution to eliminating dependence on foreign oil is to drill MORE oil in the US, not less.
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hind sight is 20/20 nothing like this had ever happened before so he wouldn't know and to blame obama is nuts??? if it weren't for big oil and greedy people it wouldnt happened. Obama tried to put a moratorium on drilling and the lobbyist and courts stopped him and continued drilling.
False. Obama did not attempt any deep water drilling moratorium until after the fact. Leaks like this have happened before - ask Russia.
we need to end our dependence on foreign oil and start using clean renewable energy that is safe for the environment, democrats have been saying it for years.
True. Ending our dependence on foreign oil would be easy if there was not Obama supported sanctions and bans against shallow water drilling and land based drilling. If the drilling were done on land or in shallow waters, this leak would have already been dealt with -- but because of the restraints placed by Clinton, most drillers are way out to sea, and when something goes wrong it becomes very difficult to fix. As for renewable energy, there is nobody who isn't for it - it is just in its infancy and will take years to make something worthwhile.
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Oil spill, really ? ? ? thats not his fault nor could he do anything about it... on the other hand bush was sitting in a class room when we were "attacked" by "terrorists" and chose to continue sitting there despite a national tragedy. :banghead: Un*uckin Belevable
Wow, Bush is a bad guy for taking a few extra minutes to avoid traumatizing some little kids, to jump into a situation he couldn't affect one way or the other and which was already being handled as much as it could by the most powerful assets available, but Obama's not to blame for sticking his thumb up his ass and rotating for two months after everything there was to know was on the table with the oil spill? You must be a Troofer Democrat trying for cred with the DUmmies, or else there's a small bus with an empty seat today.
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You must be a Troofer Democrat trying for cred with the DUmmies, or else there's a small bus with an empty seat today.
Indeed - why else would Christie's words be surrounded by quotes -- " "attacked" by "terrorists" " --- just reading that I could hear the obnoxious air quotes being made by the author.. -- if not a DUmmie, a fan of prisonplanet.com & Alex Jones at the very least.
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It was quite convenient that Bush Sr. Hated Sadaam then all the sudden we get attacked after 8 years of peace under clinton, coincidence i dont think so, i dont know if it was an "Inside Job" however I think they knew about it and did nothing to stop it in order to go to war with Iraq and the rest of the middle east, just look at the time line. Think about it.
Hmmmm...seems like our little self-proclaimed "conservative" troll (conservatroll?) forgot a few little items that happened during those "8 years of peace", such as:
--Khobar Towers
--1st WTC bombing
--US Embassy bombings
--USS Cole attack
To name a few. Oh, and how long were the 9/11 attackers here before they carried out their acts? YEARS, was it?
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To name a few. Oh, and how long were the 9/11 attackers here before they carried out their acts? YEARS, was it?
It is obvious to anyone but a Democrat that the plan was put in motion long, long before the election. I'm not privy to any special information, but the mode of operation used would require a minimum of two years to move all the pieces into place once the decision was made to proceed, and that does not even take into account the preliminary research before that point could be reached into the means, the target, and why the previous WTC attack failed (Of course, our media did an admirable job of helping OBL on that one).
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hind sight is 20/20 nothing like this had ever happened before so he wouldn't know and to blame obama is nuts??? if it weren't for big oil and greedy people it wouldnt happened. Obama tried to put a moratorium on drilling and the lobbyist and courts stopped him and continued drilling... so :yawn: we need to end our dependence on foreign oil and start using clean renewable energy that is safe for the environment, democrats have been saying it for years.
We use 21,000,000 barrels of oil per day ....that's 882,000,000 gallons of crude oil PER DAMN DAY.... and that's not counting coal, natural gas and hydroelectricity... To replace all that energy with your wonderful renewable green energy we'd have to live in the shade, go hungry, dam every river and put up enough windmills to kill every bird and flying insect there is in the air.
Take another draw on the bong and dream those beautiful dreams.
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LOOKS like the pimpslapp left the troll with his tail between his legs.
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Oil spill, really ? ? ? thats not his fault nor could he do anything about it... on the other hand bush was sitting in a class room when we were "attacked" by "terrorists" and chose to continue sitting there despite a national tragedy. :banghead: Un*uckin Belevable
Now wait a god damned minute! I'll read the other posts later, but th8is got my attention. You look down on/criticise "birthers" and yet....you're a truther?
Let me ask you one very simple question, primitave: What is your opinion of Bush intellectually? If you think he was the stupidest man alive like most of your kind, then how could he pull of an act of such magnitude that requires a lot of secrecy, intellegence, and planning.
You can't have it both ways. Either the guy was a highly intelligent, or the stupidest guy on earth in your eyes. Pick one.
I'm inclined to believe it was a TERRORIST ATTACK by Bin Laden!
Bush isn't stupid, and he isn't evil either.
Take your conspiracy theories, and shove 'em.
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It was quite convenient that Bush Sr. Hated Sadaam then all the sudden we get attacked after 8 years of peace under clinton, coincidence i dont think so, i dont know if it was an "Inside Job" however I think they knew about it and did nothing to stop it in order to go to war with Iraq and the rest of the middle east, just look at the time line. Think about it.
Eight years of peace? No fly zone. Oil-for-foodblood. google both of them junior.
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Its funny you all care about Isreal when it suits you, but otherwise you could not care less. KKK members are wackos displaying Swastikas and hating Jews because they run the world supposidly. It seems to be a selective hatred for convenience.
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^ You're quickly becoming one of my favorite posters here. Excellent reference. :evillaugh:
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Isn't this from a movie?
haha
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Isn't this from a movie?
haha
Billy Madison.
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Thank you.
I thought it looked familiar.
Especially with the game board behind the guy.
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Its funny you all care about Isreal when it suits you, but otherwise you could not care less. KKK members are wackos displaying Swastikas and hating Jews because they run the world supposidly. It seems to be a selective hatred for convenience.
Your ASSumption that KKK members are Conservatives is ignorance on a galactic scale. The KKK, formed and existing predominately in the South was most ALL Democrats including local, state, and federal Democrat politicians. Famed U.S. Democrat Senator Byrd was a KKK Grand Klegal. Three time Alabama Governor Democrat George C. Wallace was a KKK supporter and ardent segregationist. Wallace went as far as to call out the Alabama National Guard to stop federally forced removal of segregation in his state's public schools.
President Johnson's Civil Rights Act of 1964 legislation would never have passed if a majority of Republicans had not crossed the isle and voted in support of it. Most notable is that Democrat Senators Al Gore Sr. and Byrd filibustered against this legislation.
What, are you new?
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Oil spill, really ? ? ? thats not his fault nor could he do anything about it... on the other hand bush was sitting in a class room when we were "attacked" by "terrorists" and chose to continue sitting there despite a national tragedy. :banghead: Un*uckin Belevable
When did Bill Maher sign on here and why doesn't he use his real name.
Pee Ess - your old tired redundant regurgitated liberal talking points will get you nowhere here.
Seriously a rock has a higher IQ than that...
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hind sight is 20/20 nothing like this had ever happened before so he wouldn't know and to blame obama is nuts??? if it weren't for big oil and greedy people it wouldnt happened. Obama tried to put a moratorium on drilling and the lobbyist and courts stopped him and continued drilling... so :yawn: we need to end our dependence on foreign oil and start using clean renewable energy that is safe for the environment, democrats have been saying it for years.
Democrats HAVE been repeating the "clean renewable energy" crap since Mr. Peanut got his ass handed to him by OPEC. Now after 40 years and hundreds of billions of taxpayer dollars spent via government energy research grants, what do we have to show for it?
Windmill powered cars? Nope!
Solar powered cars? Nope!
Ethanol? Oh yea! Funny, hillbillies have known since 1900 you can pour moonshine in your tank and drive on it. Now, we are MORE dependent on foreign oil than 40 years ago and why? Because the Democrats hippie-enviro-Nazi base has forced all U.S. oil exploration and pumping to stop.
Try again chewy...
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Oil spill, really ? ? ? thats not his fault nor could he do anything about it... on the other hand bush was sitting in a class room when we were "attacked" by "terrorists" and chose to continue sitting there despite a national tragedy. :banghead: Un*uckin Belevable
And if he had jumped up and ran out, the libtards would still be screeching about how he traumatized all the little children, and they'd all need therapy the rest of their lives.
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The question of whether or not Obama was eligible to be president will forever be in question.
The question of whether he was qualified or not to be president has already been answered.
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^ Sad thing is, I don't the the eligibility question will be answered/found out for a decade or more.
We'll all look back, and exclaim "Son of a bitch, I knew it!"
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The question of whether or not Obama was eligible to be president will forever be in question.
The question of whether he was qualified or not to be president has already been answered.
Assuming Lord Zero is found out to be a Kenyan after all, the question is, do all of the EOs and legislation that he's signed become null and void?
And do we taxpayers have to pay his pension? And his Secret Service protection?
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Assuming Lord Zero is found out to be a Kenyan after all, the question is, do all of the EOs and legislation that he's signed become null and void?
And do we taxpayers have to pay his pension? And his Secret Service protection?
:popcorn:
I don't think the Democrats would ever recover if this were true. Ever.
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Assuming Lord Zero is found out to be a Kenyan after all, the question is, do all of the EOs and legislation that he's signed become null and void?
And do we taxpayers have to pay his pension? And his Secret Service protection?
:popcorn:
1. Yes
2. No
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I don't think the Democrats would ever recover if this were true. Ever.
That's precisely why it needs to be exposed as soon as possible. However, I'm not sure how much havoc, and mayhem would ensue if it actually is true, and is exposed.
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That is Absurd you need balance or the hole government would tumble into ruins. Dems are neccessary to the survival of the United States.
Right now they are causing the destruction of the United States.
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That is Absurd you need balance or the hole government would tumble into ruins. Dems are neccessary to the survival of the United States.
Only as pathetic examples of failed policies to never attempt again. One or two in each state and on each university campus should suffice. The rest? Off to the FEMA camps!
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Thats such bull, I thought Repubs predicted armageddon after obama was elected, guess ur dissappointed... :tongue:
Nope; just proven correct again and again with every miserable failure Teh Wun touches. How's that hopey-changey shit workin' out for ya, hun'?
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Thats such bull, I thought Repubs predicted armageddon after obama was elected, guess ur dissappointed... :tongue:
Every major piece of legislation passed under Lord Zero has had unforeseen consequences which have harmed the economy. Or maybe his handlers knew that and that was the plan all the time.
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Every major piece of legislation passed under Lord Zero has had unforeseen consequences which have harmed the economy. Or maybe his handlers knew that and that was the plan all the time.
It was only unforseen for Teh Wun and his merry band of idiots. Those of us who could actually READ the legislation when it was proposed knew what was coming. Hell, we knew it was coming back when The ReichsMessiah was just the junior senator from the People's Republic of Illinois.
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why so much hatred and jealousy, really do you think if he wasn't born in the US he could be president, im sure it was investigated by the CIA FBI DHLS prior to his inaguration and he did release his Birth Certificate and even went so far as to post it on his web site, Im a conservative but this just shows that we have no ammunition and are looking for any reason to discredit him. Let him do his job for now he won and more people liked him so he is our president no need to keep pushing old things and saying hes not good enough for the job since he is doing it and no one else could for the last eight years. Bush got us in this mess and Obama is trying to clean it up, hes doing a pretty good job even if he was born in "KEnya"
You're Vesta's liberal cousin aren't you? I'm not going to go through the whole COLB vs. long form, whether he remained a citizen when he went to the Madrasa in Indonesia, etc. It would've been nice had the press given at least the same scrutiny to Obama's citizenship as they did to McCain, who was born while his father was SERVING THIS COUNTRY and who was himself a war hero. He went before congress to prove himself. Why wasn't the same thing required of Obama since there are those with questions about him as well? Why not have the same criteria for both candidates? What about college transcripts? Even if we have to take at face value that he's a citizen, we've seen the transcripts from every presidential CANDIDATE since I can remember. EXCEPT 0bama. Why? People that apply for engineering jobs or mid-level management jobs have to show at least their diploma. Simply transferring from one school to another requires that. My son had to show his college transcripts to join the Marine Corps because he was homeschooled and they're treated as if they have a GED. This was just to be allowed to go to boot camp. Why can't I have that kind of information about the person we're hiring to be the most powerful person in the world, especially when he has no experience to speak of.
Oh, and if you have to say "I'm a conservative but..." that pretty much let's the world know you're not. Also, when most of your posts spew liberal talking points, I'd rethink my description of myself.
Cindie
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Whoa. Thanks Cindie for quoting that.
On July 12, the miserable scrunt posted:
Im a conservative but this just shows that we have no ammunition and are looking for any reason to discredit him.
Yesterday, it posted:
This is why im a moderate, i trust that obama knows what he is doing,
I am a moderate but I do believe in most of this below what is wrong with any of this....
Hmm... Wonder which it is.
And holy shit, that's some atrocious grammar.
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I thought I was a conservative-moderate but I guess im just a straight up moderate in comparison to yous guys.
You probably thought Mao was a conservative.
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You probably thought Mao was a conservative.
Yeah. He's only about 20,000,000 deaths to the left of Stalin who was way right of center so therefore Mao is still a right of center conservative.