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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: SSG Snuggle Bunny on July 06, 2010, 04:40:16 PM
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Elmore Furth (480 posts) Tue Jul-06-10 05:35 PM
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Cuba Communists Want Member Expelled for Essay
Source: Associated Press
Cuba Communists Want Member Expelled for EssayBy THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published: July 6, 2010
1:10 p.m. ET
HAVANA (AP) -- Local leaders of Cuba's Communist Party want to expel a prominent academic for an article decrying widespread corruption, but lower-ranking members have rejected the order pending an appeal, according to an associate of the writer.
Esteban Morales, a historian who has long written on race and relations with the United States, was ordered removed by a party committee in Havana's Playa district, said Pedro Campos, a former Cuban diplomat who once worked as a researcher under Morales at the University of Havana's Center for the Study of the United States.
But grass-roots party members in Playa said they considered the committee's action too harsh and rejected it, and Morales said he would appeal the sanctions, according to Campos.
Neither the party nor Morales have commented on the case, and it was unclear if Morales has been formally removed from the party yet.
Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2010/07/06/world/AP-CB-...
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How dare he criticize the Great and Glorious Revolution!
KingFlorez (1000+ posts) Tue Jul-06-10 05:36 PM
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1. Sounds the Republican Party
ChairmanAgnostic (1000+ posts) Tue Jul-06-10 05:43 PM
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3. precisely my thought.
they have a lot in common.
Oregone (1000+ posts) Tue Jul-06-10 05:37 PM
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2. If they really want to punish this guy...
just send him to the US to live without health care and unemployment benefits
Enrique (1000+ posts) Tue Jul-06-10 05:44 PM
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4. this is going to confuse the RWers
the anti-Cuba rhetoric is so over the top, it's not going to make sense that there's any possibility of dissent, that it would be possible for "grass-roots party members" to find the party leaders' actions too harsh, and appeal the sanctions.
In the RW fantasies about Cuba and Venezuela, any dissenter would be summarily shot by Castro himself or Chavez himself.
Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Tue Jul-06-10 05:52 PM
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6. So true. The only way to end their delusions would be to drop the US Cuba travel ban,
and give them a push to go there and have a good long look around.
It's the last thing in the world the right-wing here wants, too. They just can't cope with the thought of being show as the slow-witted, hysterical lunatics they are, have always been.
Mika (1000+ posts) Tue Jul-06-10 07:14 PM
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10. Doesn't confuse just RWers.
There's a significant level of ignorance and repetition of RW memes here on DU.
Every time I try to explain that there is a wide spectrum of political discourse in Cuba - especially during candidate selections for the National Assembly (selection is made by citizens any of whom can run and vote) - I usually am bashed for being a "Castro lover" or some such infantile accusation.
I have lived in Cuba during an entire election cycle and have visited many times.
Gotta love those Cuban election cycles.
"Hm-m-m...do I vote for the party or should I vote for the party?"
Jackpine Radical (1000+ posts) Tue Jul-06-10 08:40 PM
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11. Since when has intrusive reality ever posed a threat
to right-wing delusional systems?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4455158
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Mika (1000+ posts) Tue Jul-06-10 07:14 PM
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10. Doesn't confuse just RWers.
There's a significant level of ignorance and repetition of RW memes here on DU.
Every time I try to explain that there is a wide spectrum of political discourse in Cuba - especially during candidate selections for the National Assembly (selection is made by citizens any of whom can run and vote) - I usually am bashed for being a "Castro lover" or some such infantile accusation.
I have lived in Cuba during an entire election cycle and have visited many times.
Isn't this an admission of guilt to a criminal act? I didn't think Americans were supposed to visit Cuba. All that VISA stuff.
I suppose it's useless to clue this DUmmie in on that they tell ya who can run and who can't for their so-called elections?
Naw, didn't think so.........
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I have lived in Cuba during an entire election cycle and have visited many times.
If it was so great, why the hell didn't you just stay then?
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I have lived in Cuba during an entire election cycle and have visited many times.
If it was so great, why the hell didn't you just stay then?
Rose colored glasses and all that -- especially rose colored glasses smeared with greasy resin from bong smoke.
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That's "dissent"? That his comrades have to appeal his expulsion from the one and only party in Cuba because he wrote a paper exposing corruption--and only low-level corruption at that? LOLOLOL. Yeah, the right could learn a lot from such "freedom" as this!
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This is how Dictators stay dictators. They give their subject a sense of control over something inconsequential. The article clearly states that nobody knows if the objections made any difference in his expulsion, but I bet it gave the objectors a sense that they had control. :bs:
Interestingly, the DUmmies don't seem to agree on what this article says. Either, the Communists are like Republicans and awful, or this is proof that Communism is wonderful. Interesting dichotomy.
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This is how Dictators stay dictators. They give their subject a sense of control over something inconsequential. The article clearly states that nobody knows if the objections made any difference in his expulsion, but I bet it gave the objectors a sense that they had control. :bs:
Interestingly, the DUmmies don't seem to agree on what this article says. Either, the Communists are like Republicans and awful, or this is proof that Communism is wonderful. Interesting dichotomy.
Yeah, they do that a lot. One minute we're greedy self-centered pigs, the next we stupidly vote against our "own best interests" as defined by them.
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Mika (1000+ posts) Tue Jul-06-10 07:14 PM
I have lived in Cuba during an entire election cycle and have visited many times.
Cough :bs: cough, cough.
Excuse me.
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Cough :bs: cough, cough.
Excuse me.
Yeah, I think I have to go with your assessment!
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Elmore Furth (480 posts) Tue Jul-06-10 05:35 PM
Original message
Cuba Communists Want Member Expelled for Essay
Source: Associated Press
Cuba Communists Want Member Expelled for EssayBy THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Wha....did The Bostonian Drunkard Pitt move to Cuba? Don't tell me someone left a copy of T R U T H O U T on a Politburo member's desk. I'm leaning towards eliminating capitol punishment and forcing death row DUmmys to read Pitt's self published political pamphlets.
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Wha....did The Bostonian Drunkard Pitt move to Cuba? Don't tell me someone left a copy of T R U T H O U T on a Politburo member's desk. I'm leaning towards eliminating capitol punishment and forcing death row DUmmys to read Pitt's self published political pamphlets.
Leave them a Pitt political essay, and a length of rope....
No more 10+ year wait on Death Row, at taxpayers' expense....
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If nothing else this shows the lefts inability to ever think about anything.
You have the official governing party from the left wanting to expel a member because of dissent and the locals trying to fight back against an oppressive government (again the left) and yet somehow conservatives here are symbolic of the authoritarian left there.
It is stupid to the core and just a bunch of useless blather to use what amounts to talking points but with no thought behind them as to whether they even fit in the basic context of the story.
That lurking DUmmies is why we consider you intellectually vacant and reject your ideals almost out of hand.
They never have a thought process behind them that makes rational sense.
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If nothing else this shows the lefts inability to ever think about anything.
You have the official governing party from the left wanting to expel a member because of dissent and the locals trying to fight back against an oppressive government (again the left) and yet somehow conservatives here are symbolic of the authoritarian left there.
It is stupid to the core and just a bunch of useless blather to use what amounts to talking points but with no thought behind them as to whether they even fit in the basic context of the story.
That lurking DUmmies is why we consider you intellectually vacant and reject your ideals almost out of hand.
They never have a thought process behind them that makes rational sense.
You win the kewpie doll.
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Things are improving in Cuba...things like this used to get you stood up before a firing squad....now they just throw you out on the street to starve to death.
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Boy oh boy am I glad you posted this! I really wanted to be the first to post a
bouncy uh, completely true incident where I was able to put an ignorant, knuckle dragging RW hick in their place. Of course, I remember every single word because I just made it up it pretty much covers all our preconceived prejudices, uh illustrates how uniformed they are that it has been seared in my memory.
So, I was in Burger King eating lunch. I never go there but spent all my food stamps at the organic grocery store. It infuriates me that the government doesn't give us enough money to buy healthy food but maybe after health care kicks in we'll all be saving so much money that they can give everyone sucking the citizens who work for a living dry who needs a handout UP a raise. Anyway, I was ordering off the dollar menu minding everyone else's my own business when I noticed an obviously right wing couple sitting there. I knew they were RW nutjobs cuz the woman was wearing a cross necklace and she was dressed nicely like a rich bitch and he was dressed like a cowboy.
They were talking about how awful it would be to live in Cuba and not be able to say anything they want. What a coincidence that this should happen minutes before I got home and read your post. So I say, "Actually, they have plenty of freedom of speech there." The guy just grunted what I think was a "no" and Mrs. Rich Bitch sat there reapplying her lipstick. It's obvious she doesn't have to think because she just waits for her husband to tell her what to think. While I figured it was futile, I'm a benevolent official smart person that I think it's only right to spread the wealth my knowledge around.
"Did you know a history professor just wrote an essay about government corruption and he hasn't been arrested or anything else."
The guy reaches over and covers his wife's ears with his hands and says. "Nuh uh! They're commies and kill everyone who disagrees with them."
So then I said, "There was just a historian who wrote about government corruption and they just want him kicked out of the party."
At this point he's getting pretty agitated and sends his wife to the restroom to powder her nose so she (being a CONSERVATIVE woman and unable to think for herself) won't be influenced by liberal dogma, then says, "Well they probably haven't come to get him yet cuz they have to kill another free speecher to make room in the gulags first."
I said, "The gulags were in the Soviet Republic, not Cuba and the state wasn't even involved. This was at the local level." At this point he starts sputtering, grunting and telling me I should go live in Cuba since I'm a commie too. I tried, I really tried but there's no reaching these people. I thought he was gonna start throwing chairs all over the place and started looking for a cop. Just at that very second one came out behind a ficus plant at the entrance to the food court. Then I looked closer and realized he was just a mall cop. I left with all the smug condescension such sadness that our country could have so many misinformed people that the corporate, warmongering rich could take advantage. I just shook my head and made a mental note to call NOW and tell them they should set up a kiosk at the mall to help these poor women.
Cindie
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Nice job Cin, and way more believable!
6 bongs! It had all the relevant points needed for a "true" bouncy.....er........story!
I make it a point to read your posts! Much to "Toots'" dismay! lol!
It's okay, since she's outside fillin' the pool for the little ones!
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Nice job Cin, and way more believable!
6 bongs! It had all the relevant points needed for a "true" bouncy.....er........story!
I make it a point to read your posts! Much to "Toots'" dismay! lol!
It's okay, since she's outside fillin' the pool for the little ones!
Oh, aren't the little ones fun? Didn't think I could love any children as much as my own. Then I had grandchildren.
Cindie
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Oh, aren't the little ones fun? Didn't think I could love any children as much as my own. Then I had grandchildren.
Cindie
Grandchildren are the best! You can send 'em home! Besides, keeps "Toots" young!