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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Lord Undies on March 21, 2008, 10:20:17 PM
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Here's a DUmmie thread that's a Must Have for any serious DUmmie watcher's scrapebook!!
Liberal Veteran (1000+ posts) Fri Mar-21-08 10:33 PM
Original message
Is anyone else asking themselves, "Were the Clintons always like this?"
Like most of you, I spent the 90's defending the Clintons. Now I find myself really not liking them at all.
Did something change about them or did I just move on.
A couple of choice replies to whet your whistle:
splat (1000+ posts) Fri Mar-21-08 10:39 PM
Response to Reply #7
10. Ah, you think the Repubs were right. Always did. Ringer
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indie_ana_500 (1000+ posts) Fri Mar-21-08 10:44 PM
Response to Reply #10
18. I recall a Repub telling me that Clintons didn't want Kerry to win, so that THEY could run in '08.
I scoffed at the idea. I defended the "honor" of the Clintons! No way they would do such a dastardly thing...not help Kerry as much as they could, helping the country to stay Republican, when they would know what damage that would cause to the country. They would not DO such a thing!
But now, I think that is probably what happened. Others think so, too. The Clintons have had these plans to run for years. Their plans would not come to fruition if Kerry had won, probably.
Sometimes loyalty blinds us. I was blind to the Clintons.
Just read it! :rotf:
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DUmmie_indie_ana_500
Sometimes loyalty blinds us. I was blind to the Clintons.
Well look at the bright side. You may have the chance to be blind to the Obamas.
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Whatever else happens these primaries have chipped away at Bill Clinton's legacy amongst about half of the active Dems. If a Dem doesn't win the general election it'll be open season on the Clintons.
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Those negative comments about the Clintons are just fleeting moments of sanity. Once Hillary is knighted as the Dem nominee they will forget all their problems with the Clintons and be extolling the virtues of a Clinton presidency. Someone should capture these threads and haul them out in October...something tells me that things will be different then.
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Yes Virginia, they were always like this. Welcome to reality. God willing you will stay a while.
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Those negative comments about the Clintons are just fleeting moments of sanity. Once Hillary is knighted as the Dem nominee they will forget all their problems with the Clintons and be extolling the virtues of a Clinton presidency. Someone should capture these threads and haul them out in October...something tells me that things will be different then.
And if Obama is the nominee, the Clintons will scuttle him and throw the election to McCain. And in the meantime, Chelsea is readied for a run in the 2016-2024 time frame . . .
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Liberal Veteran (1000+ posts) Fri Mar-21-08 10:33 PM
Original message
Is anyone else asking themselves, "Were the Clintons always like this?"
Only people who have memberships to DU and who think FOx News is nothing more than "propaganda" ask themselves this kind of question.
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A few tiny lightbulbs begin to glow, if ever so dimly.
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I bet the OP would still vote for Billary even if (s)he were to pull the popular DULLegate win out from unde B Hussein O.*
* Although considering his current crop of troubles the super-DULLegates would be foolish to side with him.
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DemGa (1000+ posts) Fri Mar-21-08 10:39 PM
Response to Original message
7. The Clintons are the same -- the hate came with Obama
Go ahead put me on ignore, it's the TRUTH.
splat (1000+ posts) Fri Mar-21-08 10:40 PM
Original message
Why did Obama destroy my party? I don't like these bullies
DemGa (1000+ posts) Fri Mar-21-08 10:43 PM
Response to Original message
14. Funny these confused Obamas wondering where they got their own hate!
splat (1000+ posts) Fri Mar-21-08 10:45 PM
Response to Reply #14
18. I think he's gonna trip bad before the convention
Noirceuil (78 posts) Fri Mar-21-08 10:45 PM
Response to Reply #7
20. They Won't Be Able....
to put the voters of Ohio and Pennsylvania on ignore if Obama is the Democratic nominee. The majority of people in both states can't stand him.
Divernan (1000+ posts) Fri Mar-21-08 11:18 PM
Response to Reply #20
44. "Noirceuil" - the flesh eating sociopathic, incestuous, infanticidal character in Marquis de Sade. Surely Clinton headquarters did not choose your screen name for you.
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I swear...McCain needs to publicly thank the DNC and their current exposure of their latent racism and sexism within the ranks for helping him win the Presidency during his inaugural speech next year.
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I swear...McCain needs to publicly thank the DNC and their current exposure of their latent racism and sexism within the ranks for helping him win the Presidency during his inaugural speech next year.
Maybe he'll bring it up in the SOTU. :usflag:
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I swear...McCain needs to publicly thank the DNC and their current exposure of their latent racism and sexism within the ranks for helping him win the Presidency during his inaugural speech next year.
His campaign is being written and ACTIVELY RUN by the hissein and mrs. clinton camps. Whichever gets the nod will not be "battle hardened." They will be "bloody and scarred."
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TwoSparkles
35. Look at the pictures of the Clintons...
...when they were in college. They were very liberal, very anti-establishment and anti-war.
I love those early pictures of the Clintons.
Although I think the Clintons began their political years very liberal and optimistic, something really dysfunctional seemed to creep into the lives and transform them. The grinding gruel of politics seemed to roughen them up and Bill's infidelity, I believe, tore Hillary Clinton apart.
She sacrificed so much for Bill. She was the graduation speaker at Wellesley and her first job after law school was working on the Nixon impeachment hearings. She could have gone anywhere and had any job in her field that she desired. She gave it up to go to po-dunk Arkansas, put it all on hold and prop up Bill's political career. His affairs left her bitter and full of a sense of entitlement. It was as if she decided that one day she would attain whatever she wanted politically- and that was her entitlement--because of everything she sacrificed and endured.
I think it's a tragic story, because I think the Clinton's fed off of each other's dysfunction and that's when the corruption crept in. They lost themselves.
Those two young people in the pictures are long gone.
By the time they got to Washington, they had all ready sold out--even if they did still hold onto some liberal social ideals. The neocons folded the Clintons into the fray. After Bush became President, the Clintons still wanted to play--and they're just as much a part of the corporate elite as Bush, Cheney, Lieberman, Baker and the rest of the power players. Clinton played along--and practically remained silent while Bush decimated our democracy--because she knew she had to be a player if she wanted to be the Democratic nominee.
Then, came Obama. Geez. I can only imagine how shattered she is. When you spent much of your life thinking, "I can put up with this shit, because I've got my eyes on the prize and someday this will all be worth it," and then the prize is taken away---everything you endured seems like it was for nothing.
As much as I detest the Clintons and their sell-out status--and the way they've lied, ruined lives and campaigned so viscously--I think their entire story is really tragic and so very sad.
When I look at those pictures of the young Clintons, and see them now--I see a glaring illustration of what has happened to our country and our government within the past 40 years. Innocence, a sense of decency and optimism---has all but died in our government and has been engulfed by greed, corporatism, corruption and distortions.
I really hope the Clintons find the peace that they need--and I hope our country does as well.
(http://media.yaf.org/libertas/Winter07/young-activists.jpg)
A smaller fire withing the larger, several agreeing with this poster.
The words they use and contorted beliefs they have to have to essentially excuse what is nothing more than a power-hungry couple are really funny.
Dual sparky primative, here's a little info for ya: The Clintons never sold out because they never bought in. They held their fingers up to the collective wind of the day and went with it. Just like with all you libs, there's no substance, there's no core beliefs, there's just what it takes to gain power and try to rule people lives via gov't intervention. Yes, I realize to you that constitutes "peace," but there's a lot of us who aren't interested in a bunch of disfunctional libs, who falsely believe themselves to be intelligent, trying to run people's lives, because you end up ruining people's lives instead.
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This just proves just how blind and stupid the Dump members have always been. No surprises here. I can't wait till the DNC convention to start. It'll make the Rodney King riots look tame .