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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: thundley4 on June 25, 2010, 11:40:38 AM
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Fri Jun-25-10 01:19 AM
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Poll question: In your opinion, is breaking the law unethical?
In my opinion, breaking the law is not unethical.
Poll result (90 votes)
Yes, breaking the law is unethical. (15 votes, 17%) Vote
No, breaking the law is not unethical. (75 votes, 83%) Vote
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Really almost everyone would say there are situations where breaking the law is indeed the ethical choice, however where that line is to be drawn, how easily, and over what issues are areas where I suspect there is a huge gulf between the OP and the rest of civilized humanity.
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Really almost everyone would say there are situations where breaking the law is indeed the ethical choice, however where that line is to be drawn, how easily, and over what issues are areas where I suspect there is a huge gulf between the OP and the rest of civilized humanity.
Pretty sure this poll is about drugs!
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Wouldn't surprise me a bit, Al.
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In certain situations, I can see breaking the law, but most DUmmies would consider it ethical just because they disagree with a law.
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Never shall the two meet.
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I tried to think of a law I break, but feel OK about doing so. I guess there's this one: NY DEC has a reg that says "no feeding deer. Ever." I am always throwing food out into our woods for whoever wants it. Old carrots for the bunnies, stale bread, meat scraps, etc. If a deer comes along and helps himself to any of it, who am I to stop him? Bon appetit, I say.
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depakid (1000+ posts) Fri Jun-25-10 01:33 AM
Response to Reply #2
14. Should Heinz steal the drug?
Edited on Fri Jun-25-10 01:34 AM by depakid
A woman was near death from a special kind of cancer. There was one drug that the doctors thought might save her. It was a form of radium that a druggist in the same town had recently discovered. The drug was expensive to make, but the druggist was charging ten times what the drug cost him to produce. He paid $200 for the radium and charged $2,000 for a small dose of the drug.
The sick woman's husband, Heinz, went to everyone he knew to borrow the money, but he could only get together about $1,000 which is half of what it cost. He told the druggist that his wife was dying and asked him to sell it cheaper or let him pay later. But the druggist said: "No, I discovered the drug and I'm going to make money from it." So Heinz got desperate and broke into the man's store to steal the drug for his wife.
Should Heinz have broken into the store to steal the drug for his wife? Why or why not?
Hmm, who does Heinz steal from when the Government runs healthcare?
http://www.kval.com/news/26140519.html
SPRINGFIELD, Ore. -- Barbara Wagner has one wish - for more time.
"I'm not ready, I'm not ready to die," the Springfield woman said. "I've got things I'd still like to do."
Her doctor offered hope in the new chemotherapy drug Tarceva, but the Oregon Health Plan sent her a letter telling her the cancer treatment was not approved.
Instead, the letter said, the plan would pay for comfort care, including "physician aid in dying," better known as assisted suicide.
"I told them, I said, 'Who do you guys think you are?' You know, to say that you'll pay for my dying, but you won't pay to help me possibly live longer?' " Wagner said.
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Yep, state run healthcare in Oregon is just a window into what we all are going to find when the Feds take over.
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Anyone can find at least one situation where it is ethical to break a law - for example, someone you are with is seriously injured or ill so you do 80 down the highway to get him/her to the hospital..
Law broken ? - Yes.
Ethical ? - Yes.
Sadly, I do agree that this DU poll is probably about drugs - they are all for breaking laws to make themselves feel better, never about breaking a law to help someone else exclusively.
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Pretty sure this poll is about drugs!
Pretty sure (100%) you are correct! Oh there is also their "no conscious" actions of cheating on their taxes, disability fraud, welfare fraud, and their ever famous "GOT THE NEED FOR FREE WEED"!!
In all honesty, I believe there is one law EVERY DUmmy should break, be encouraged to break: The law of gravity...and test it by jumping off a cliff...
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Anyone can find at least one situation where it is ethical to break a law - for example, someone you are with is seriously injured or ill so you do 80 down the highway to get him/her to the hospital..
Law broken ? - Yes.
Ethical ? - Yes.
Sadly, I do agree that this DU poll is probably about drugs - they are all for breaking laws to make themselves feel better, never about breaking a law to help someone else exclusively.
I think the operative word here is ethical. DUmmies have no ethics, so the whole poll is suspect IMHO. To them, walkin' down the street in ass-less chaps during a parade is the utmost in "free expression. Handing out condoms to kindergartners is a-okay! Ethics? I don't think so!
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depakid (1000+ posts) Fri Jun-25-10 01:33 AM
Response to Reply #2
14. Should Heinz steal the drug?
Edited on Fri Jun-25-10 01:34 AM by depakid
A woman was near death from a special kind of cancer. There was one drug that the doctors thought might save her. It was a form of radium that a druggist in the same town had recently discovered. The drug was expensive to make, but the druggist was charging ten times what the drug cost him to produce. He paid $200 for the radium and charged $2,000 for a small dose of the drug.
The sick woman's husband, Heinz, went to everyone he knew to borrow the money, but he could only get together about $1,000 which is half of what it cost. He told the druggist that his wife was dying and asked him to sell it cheaper or let him pay later. But the druggist said: "No, I discovered the drug and I'm going to make money from it." So Heinz got desperate and broke into the man's store to steal the drug for his wife.
Should Heinz have broken into the store to steal the drug for his wife? Why or why not?
This reads like a question on a High School debate team.
It's been said that when you start using drugs on a regular basis, your emotional and intellectual growth stops.
depakid is a most vile DUmmy. He envisions a world without guns, where everyone loves and respects one another. Lost Horizon must have been the last movie he saw before he fell into the bong.
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This reads like a question on a High School debate team.
It's been said that when you start using drugs on a regular basis, your emotional and intellectual growth stops.
depakid is a most vile DUmmy. He envisions a world without guns, where everyone loves and respects one another. Lost Horizon must have been the last movie he saw before he fell into the bong.
I haven't seen "Lost Horizon", but I have seen "Event Horizon"....
Damned scary movie!
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depakid (1000+ posts) Fri Jun-25-10 01:33 AM
Response to Reply #2
14. Should Heinz steal the drug?
Edited on Fri Jun-25-10 01:34 AM by depakid
A woman was near death from a special kind of cancer. There was one drug that the doctors thought might save her. It was a form of radium that a druggist in the same town had recently discovered. The drug was expensive to make, but the druggist was charging ten times what the drug cost him to produce. He paid $200 for the radium and charged $2,000 for a small dose of the drug.
The sick woman's husband, Heinz, went to everyone he knew to borrow the money, but he could only get together about $1,000 which is half of what it cost. He told the druggist that his wife was dying and asked him to sell it cheaper or let him pay later. But the druggist said: "No, I discovered the drug and I'm going to make money from it." So Heinz got desperate and broke into the man's store to steal the drug for his wife.
Should Heinz have broken into the store to steal the drug for his wife? Why or why not?
He fails to fully consider the options available to him. Heinz could have offered the $1000 up front and pay the rest in installments. Failing that, Heinz could make the unethical decision for good reasons and steal the drug, give it to his wife, then hand himself over to law enforcement and offer to settle with pharmacist. DUmmies think their little morality play ends at the decision to commit.
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depakid (1000+ posts) Fri Jun-25-10 01:33 AM
Response to Reply #2
14. Should Heinz steal the drug?
Edited on Fri Jun-25-10 01:34 AM by depakid
A woman was near death from a special kind of cancer. There was one drug that the doctors thought might save her. It was a form of radium that a druggist in the same town had recently discovered.
I'll put an abrupt end to YOUR bullshit story right here and now.
First - Radium is a radioactive chemical element which has the symbol Ra and atomic number 88, and in ANY form, (there is only one) was "discovered" by the great Polish scientist Marie Skłodowska-Curie and her husband Pierre in 1898.
Second - Nuclear medicine has NOT been available "over the counter" for no less than the last 70 years!
Third - I worked in the nuclear industry for 20 years beginning as an engineer with Bechtel at Energy Northwest (http://www.energy-northwest.com/generation/cgs/index.php) (formerly WPPSS) in Richland, WA, then on to PN Services (now Westinghouse) performing chemical decontamination's and steam generator cleanings of commercial nuclear power generation facilities around the WORLD. Then as the Sr. Instrumentation & Controls Engineer at ATG in Richland, WA (That is HANFORD RESERVATION (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanford_Site)) for the retards on the left, managing a low-level (radioactive) waste vitrification plant.
My older brother has 35+ years at the INL (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idaho_National_Laboratory) in Idaho processing spent nuclear navy fuel.
My younger brother, aside from his masters in business, has a BS in Health Physics (Nuclear Technology) and spent 25+ years working at the Hanford reservation.
I have been in most every facility on the Hanford Reservation - including the notorious K Reactors (http://www.bonestamp.com/sgt/breeding_reactors.htm), PUREX (http://www.hanford.gov/page.cfm/PUREX), and the HISTORICALLY famous 'B' Reactor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B_Reactor), constructed by Enrico Fermi himself, which was the SECOND nuclear 'pile' to reach Criticality in September, 1944. B reactor produced the plutonium used in the (YEEEEE-HAAAAW) atomic bomb dropped on Hiroshima.
I know my nuclear shit, lurking DUmmys so drop your lip-lock on this nation's love muscle!
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I'll put an abrupt end to YOUR bullshit story right here and now.
First - Radium is a radioactive chemical element which has the symbol Ra and atomic number 88, and in ANY form, (there is only one) was "discovered" by the great Polish scientist Marie Skłodowska-Curie and her husband Pierre in 1898.
Second - Nuclear medicine has NOT been available "over the counter" for no less than the last 70 years!
Third - I worked in the nuclear industry for 20 years beginning as an engineer with Bechtel at Energy Northwest (http://www.energy-northwest.com/generation/cgs/index.php) (formerly WPPSS) in Richland, WA, then on to PN Services (now Westinghouse) performing chemical decontamination's and steam generator cleanings of commercial nuclear power generation facilities around the WORLD. Then as the Sr. Instrumentation & Controls Engineer at ATG in Richland, WA (That is HANFORD RESERVATION (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanford_Site)) for the retards on the left, managing a low-level (radioactive) waste vitrification plant.
My older brother has 35+ years at the INL (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idaho_National_Laboratory) in Idaho processing spent nuclear navy fuel.
My younger brother, aside from his masters in business, has a BS in Health Physics (Nuclear Technology) and spent 25+ years working at the Hanford reservation.
I have been in most every facility on the Hanford Reservation - including the notorious K Reactors (http://www.bonestamp.com/sgt/breeding_reactors.htm), PUREX (http://www.hanford.gov/page.cfm/PUREX), and the HISTORICALLY famous 'B' Reactor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B_Reactor), constructed by Enrico Fermi himself, which was the SECOND nuclear 'pile' to reach Criticality in September, 1944. B reactor produced the plutonium used in the (YEEEEE-HAAAAW) atomic bomb dropped on Hiroshima.
I know my nuclear shit, lurking DUmmys so drop your lip-lock on this nation's love muscle!
I figured it had to be BS! I mean c'mon, a drugist miraculously discovers a new form of radium? So he found a new element? Yeah, right!
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I think this was a DUmmie moral conundrum what-if story rather than a "real" life this happened bouncy story.
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Really almost everyone would say there are situations where breaking the law is indeed the ethical choice, however where that line is to be drawn, how easily, and over what issues are areas where I suspect there is a huge gulf between the OP and the rest of civilized humanity.
+1
There is a distinction between Legality, Morality, and Ethics... however we can rest assured that those very fine grey lines, likely have nothing to do with that OP's concern!
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There can be instances where breaking an unjust law can be ethical. For example in China if you refused to abort your child under their laws that would be ethical and right. However smoking a joint in the US would not be an ethical breech of the law. Which is my guess where the goons are going with this.
At the moment there are no US laws on the books that I can think of it being ethical to break. But give Obama enough time and I can compile a whole list.