SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Tue Jun-22-10 07:40 PMhttp://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8615041
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Why democratic presidents are disrespected within the military
Edited on Tue Jun-22-10 07:45 PM by SoCalDem
Armed Forces Radio & their long-standing "association" with Limbaugh. This radio station is the "soundtrack" of the military and a home to Limbaugh's non-stop hate , and it has always been that way . Eight years of Clinton-bashing followed by 8 years of Bush-love , and a seamless segue into Obama-hate.
There are so very many young people who are left out of society, and who see the military as their only way to make a living, and who probably are quite suggestible.. the military teaches them to be that way.
When they hear their own superiors being disrespectful, it only reinforces the rightwing garbage they hear on the radio.
Rush-the-entertainer is anything but, and his flavor of propaganda is dangerous for a military that is run by and answerable to the civilian branch of government. This is the stuff of coup d'etats, and of 3rd world governments, where the military run the show..
SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Tue Jun-22-10 07:40 PM
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Why democratic presidents are disrespected within the military
On May 26, 2004, the article "Rush's Forced Conscripts" appeared on the online news and opinion magazine Salon.com.[45] The article discussed the controversy surrounding the fact that American Forces Radio and Television Service (AFRTS), (which describes itself as "[providing] stateside radio and television programming, 'a touch of home', to U.S. service men and women, DoD civilians, and their families serving outside the continental United States"), carries the first hour of Limbaugh's show. Melvin Russell, director of AFRTS, defended Limbaugh's presence, by pointing to Limbaugh's high ratings in the US: "We look at the most popular shows broadcast here in the United States and try to mirror that. [Limbaugh] is the No. 1 talk show host in the States; there's no question about that. Because of that we provide him on our service." In addition, AFRTS produced a ballot of radio and television shows asking troops worldwide, "Who do you want that we don't at present carry?" The Rush Limbaugh Show was not listed on the ballot, but won the vote as a write-in by the troops. A later poll by Lund Media Research found that a majority of soldiers preferred that talk show programs be replaced by hip hop and rap stations, bringing into question the future of content such as the
Rush Limbaugh Show on AFRTS.
Personally I think it's really because they are vote-whoring Godfathers to domestic Left-aligned special interest groups, and they have almost as much understanding and concern about foreign affairs, the military, and strategic issues as your average housecat, but maybe that's just me.
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Tue Jun-22-10 07:59 PM
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6. Because they're autocrats. They have an elitest attitude
that is unhealthy. Our military has been moving in a direction that reminds me of a military dictatorship. They are a junta with a coup just waiting to happen. We've already seen the first sign. The nukes which were ready to be flown to Europe.
PacerLJ35 (724 posts) Wed Jun-23-10 01:33 AM
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20. If you wear your tinfoil hat, things will seem to appear less fuzzy...try it out
The US military is a junta waiting to happen? WTF ever.
The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-23-10 10:56 AM
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22. I live among lots of ex-military and active Air Force.
They act like a guild around here. They take care of their own, regardless of what positions they have in the community. I'm sorry, but when they do the kind of things they do around here, they deserve a critical eye.
Keep in mind, I was born and raised on a military base. This ain't my daddy's military.
branders seine (1000+ posts) Tue Jun-22-10 08:39 PM
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15. the most clueless wingnut morans I've ever heard
were either active duty or new veterans. Not dissing the troops. just sayin'
SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Tue Jun-22-10 07:40 PM
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Why democratic presidents are disrespected within the military
Edited on Tue Jun-22-10 07:45 PM by SoCalDem
Armed Forces Radio & their long-standing "association" with Limbaugh. This radio station is the "soundtrack" of the military and a home to Limbaugh's non-stop hate , and it has always been that way . Eight years of Clinton-bashing followed by 8 years of Bush-love , and a seamless segue into Obama-hate.
There are so very many young people who are left out of society, and who see the military as their only way to make a living, and who probably are quite suggestible.. the military teaches them to be that way.
C'mon Skimmer! Enforce your frikkin' rules! Remove these diaper rashed DUmbasses from your lock step little club!Come on you act like you expected a real backbone, this is the DUmp after all. :fuelfire:
If you don't, all your BS from the other day is nothing more than an exercise in hypocrisy!
The only rules I see you and your partners in crime enforcing are the ones where they diss dear leader!
Ok SoCalIdiot...since you seem to be one of the slow blinkers over there...let me set you straight on this one more time.
First off it's American Forces Network...not Armed. Schmuck. :whatever:
Secondly...AFN Radio didn't start carrying Limbaugh until around 1993. There is no "long standing relationship". It less than 20 years old.
All we get is the first hour...at 8pm at night...on the AM frequency. Guess what is immediately following his show? Ed "Mr. Ed" Schultz!
Rush is surrounded by hours of programming from NPR...and AP.
On the television side we're luck to get two well separated block of Fox News programming on the AFN News Channel. While we don't get O'Reilly or Hannity...we do get the lunatic rantings of Queef Uberdork...Meaty Fingers Maddow...Mimbo Rick Sanchez...Tweety Matthews and the rest of the Libtard media of CNN MSNBC and so on.
If anything the men and women and the family members of the U.S. Armed Forces that live overseas are forcibly indoctrinated with left wing Libtard blather that denigrates what we do...who we are and what we stand for...while those husbands and wives wearing the uniform are on foreign soil dying and wounded.
So **** YOU and your crap about a "soundtrack of hate" from the right. If you're scared of one solitary hour of Rush Limbaugh on a scratch 10,000 watt AM signal in the middle of Bavaria...you're a spineless douche bag who has bigger issues than what the troops listen to on tv and radio.
Hey chucklehead...I left a management position with Clear Channel radio...running an R&R reporting station to come BACK into the military.
**** you for suggesting that we're soft minded sheep with no other alternatives in life when you don't have the sack to do even MY job much less that of an 11...13 or 19 series soldier.
Is it bad to wish these people would stand in the target path of a Hellcat?
Ok SoCalIdiot...since you seem to be one of the slow blinkers over there...let me set you straight on this one more time.
First off it's American Forces Network...not Armed. Schmuck. :whatever:
Secondly...AFN Radio didn't start carrying Limbaugh until around 1993. There is no "long standing relationship". It less than 20 years old.
All we get is the first hour...at 8pm at night...on the AM frequency. Guess what is immediately following his show? Ed "Mr. Ed" Schultz!
Rush is surrounded by hours of programming from NPR...and AP.
On the television side we're luck to get two well separated block of Fox News programming on the AFN News Channel. While we don't get O'Reilly or Hannity...we do get the lunatic rantings of Queef Uberdork...Meaty Fingers Maddow...Mimbo Rick Sanchez...Tweety Matthews and the rest of the Libtard media of CNN MSNBC and so on.
If anything the men and women and the family members of the U.S. Armed Forces that live overseas are forcibly indoctrinated with left wing Libtard blather that denigrates what we do...who we are and what we stand for...while those husbands and wives wearing the uniform are on foreign soil dying and wounded.
So **** YOU and your crap about a "soundtrack of hate" from the right. If you're scared of one solitary hour of Rush Limbaugh on a scratch 10,000 watt AM signal in the middle of Bavaria...you're a spineless douche bag who has bigger issues than what the troops listen to on tv and radio.
Hey chucklehead...I left a management position with Clear Channel radio...running an R&R reporting station to come BACK into the military.
**** you for suggesting that we're soft minded sheep with no other alternatives in life when you don't have the sack to do even MY job much less that of an 11...13 or 19 series soldier.
Is it bad to wish these people would stand in the target path of a Hellcat?
Oh jeez I wish they'd get a new meme. Perhaps it's this very stereotype from the left (and from the top down) that's responsible for their disdain. Couldn't be because they accuse the military of being murderers, or uneducated louts (wonder how many of them could score high on the ASVAB or get through the extremely difficult Defense Language Institute, etc.). When you automatically decide a group is stupid and impressionable (sort of like the 2nd graders their side is busy indoctrinating) logic would dictate said group wouldn't have a whole lot of respect for them either. But logic to the DUmmies is like holy water to the antichrist.
Cindie
Oh jeez I wish they'd get a new meme. Perhaps it's this very stereotype from the left (and from the top down) that's responsible for their disdain. Couldn't be because they accuse the military of being murderers, or uneducated louts (wonder how many of them could score high on the ASVAB or get through the extremely difficult Defense Language Institute, etc.). When you automatically decide a group is stupid and impressionable (sort of like the 2nd graders their side is busy indoctrinating) logic would dictate said group wouldn't have a whole lot of respect for them either. But logic to the DUmmies is like holy water to the antichrist.
Cindie
"You know, education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq. - SEN John Kerry (D-MA)
Well.....I, for one, would like to answer the DUmmie's question.
Having been born during WW II, I would posit that most of the Democrat presidents that held office after Truman were either wimps, cowards, micromanaging fools, manifestly incompetent, pacifistic, or a combination of all of these characteristics.
Pretty much to a man (with the exception of JFK) they universally demonstrated a subtle disdain for the military, which, when observed, was just as subtly returned by our men and women in uniform.
THAT.....denizens of the DUmp, is the reason that Dem presidents are not well respected by the military......
doc
branders seine (1000+ posts) Tue Jun-22-10 08:39 PM
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15. the most clueless wingnut morans I've ever heard
were either active duty or new veterans. Not dissing the troops. just sayin'
Ya know, while we're on the subject..........Isn't this admin doing basically the same ****ed up thing as the Johnson admin?
Aren't they tellin' the military which targets, who or what to shoot, tying the hands behind the back of our soldiers and dictating to airmen who or what they can target, in order to appease the left wing lunatics?
The admin is so afraid of pissin' off the left, they are willing to sacrifice our warriors in order to not piss off the anti-war left!
Johnson and McNamara did the same damn thing! They made Hanoi off limits to bombing raids even though they had anti aircraft missiles lining the streets!
The situations are similar, but unlike each other in a number of ways.....
First, LBJ was a sublimely STUPID man, he was simply not capable of involving himself in military strategy, McNamara was an academic and a theoretician, also not equipped for the job, as he later admitted. Johnson would have done well to let his military leaders lead, and leave them alone......but his ego, and lack of native intelligence would not allow that.
Second, the war was a "conventional" one, to an extent, and although the enemy tactics were different, they were well within the purview and capability of the American military at the time......as demonstrated by the fact that we never actually "lost" a major campaign there, nor did we lose the war......we simply gave up, and left it to collapse. This is the eventual result that I fear the most about the campaign in Afghanistan.
For all of his foibles, Obama is not stupid......he has intelligence, however, his every move is motivated by "politics", and not the art of war. He is much more concerned with how HE will look politically, than how his ultimate actions effect the eventual outcome of the war. This war is an "unconventional" conflict, where there are NO national players, and it is simply an unending series of small-unit insurgencies, with combatants that hide among, and are supported by members of the native population.
War is all about "killing people, and breaking things", and short of the niceties of the Geneva Convention, the manner in which wars need to be conducted, is largely without restraint. In Obama's world, war can only be fought if nobody inadvertently gets hurt, and no actions are taken that result in uncomfortable political ramifications for HIM, and his party. To that degree, the two are similar, but there is where the similarity ends.
Not even the best military leaders can win a war with their hands tied behind their backs,, and I fear that this is Obama's style.......he views his image as far more important than getting the job done......
doc
Come on you act like you expected a real backbone, this is the DUmp after all. :fuelfire:
Why is it that leftist douches seem to think that anyone that disagrees with them must be "indoctrinated" , "brainwashed" or what not by "Talk Radio" or some other label for a media outlet that has been branded right-wing because it doesn't broadcast leftist PC crap 24/7 ?
Could it be projection ?
What do you expect from a group who thinks John F'n Kerry deserved his 3 Purple Hearts?Well yea BUTT..sKerry got three of these too...
Well yea BUTT..sKerry got three of these too...(http://www.smilemakers.com/Smilemakers/assets/product_images/BAN20.jpg)
...sooooooooooooooo...he MUST be qualified to be POTUS! :-) :cheersmate:
Well yea BUTT..sKerry got three of these too...(http://www.smilemakers.com/Smilemakers/assets/product_images/BAN20.jpg)
...sooooooooooooooo...he MUST be qualified to be POTUS! :-) :cheersmate:
I don't get it. Is that Astro? George Jetson's dog. :confused:Scooby Doo band aids.
Scooby Doo band aids.
My work is never done...sigh.. :-)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/tucker13/emoticons/brownbag.gif)It was a joke man...just a joke...
Well yea BUTT..sKerry got three of these too...Ah yes! The Frank Burns Shell Fragment Award.(http://www.smilemakers.com/Smilemakers/assets/product_images/BAN20.jpg)
...sooooooooooooooo...he MUST be qualified to be POTUS! :-) :cheersmate:
It was a joke man...just a joke...
Ya know, while we're on the subject..........Isn't this admin doing basically the same ****ed up thing as the Johnson admin?
Aren't they tellin' the military which targets, who or what to shoot, tying the hands behind the back of our soldiers and dictating to airmen who or what they can target, in order to appease the left wing lunatics?
The admin is so afraid of pissin' off the left, they are willing to sacrifice our warriors in order to not piss off the anti-war left!
Johnson and McNamara did the same damn thing! They made Hanoi off limits to bombing raids even though they had anti aircraft missiles lining the streets!
When I was on AD in the 70's Jimmy C was elected. Spending on the military decreased, now, when a republican president is in office and only increases funding for education only 3% vs. 5% he is vilified by the left and the people that would be getting that funding. If congress decreases funding for the military, people affected should not be upset?
I remember hours being cut from squadron flight time. Forced some pilots not being able to meet mandatory flight hours. That in it self would not be a big deal, but in in the late 70,s we still had a cold war going on. Kind of hard to perform the mission required when steaming days and flight time is cut. It is not that military members disrespect democratic presidents, we just disagree with the policies that takes resources from our rice bowl and puts it in some one elses. Seems to be the exact same thing that happens to the left when a conservative takes office.
It is me under the bag for being stoopid. :cheersmate:Or the Unknown Comedian. :cheersmate:
What the heck ever happened to AFRTS anyway?
Back in 1988 - 1992 I actually liked their programming while I lived on Kwajalein Atoll. (http://www.smdc.army.mil/rts.html) I loved that there was only one commercial break, a military commercial, during each 1/2 hour of programming.
I even listened to NPR on occasion and liked some of it. The guy that ran the AFRTS on-island was a retired Air Force colonel that worked with the SR-71 Blackbird program. Oh the stories...boy! Did they have "special" cameras and optics!
As a typical member of the white upper middle classes, as a writer living in Boston and as someone who never served, I was shocked by his choice.
My son John and I wrote a book describing our journey together to a place where I came to value the military and he came to understand my post-Vietnam parental anxiety….
In 1976, most of the military identified as Independent, while 33 percent identified as Republican (still a larger proportion than the general public). But the armed services have abandoned this neutrality. Now 60 percent considered themselves Republican, and only seventeen percent considered themselves Independent.
We now have a civilian leadership with no military experience in charge of a mercenary professional force with few personal (let alone empathetic) ties to our leaders.
And that force is no longer protecting America only but rather projecting imperial overreach that will lead to more and more loss of American lives for no reason. Expect more trouble.
SoCalDem
Why democratic presidents are disrespected within the military