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Current Events => Politics => Topic started by: Chris on June 20, 2010, 10:50:14 AM
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This is an email we received from someone calling himself clarence swinney (http://www.google.com/search?q=%22clarence+swinney%22). clarence has an account here but has yet to activate it, log in, and make a single post.
cONSERVATIVCE WORD OF SHAME
SAD SAD
1945-1980 were Great Middle Class Years.
Affordable Education-Homes-Health Care-Jobs Jobs-Unions-Pensions
Reagan and Neo-Cons came on in 1981.
Ir was intentional ENRICH Wall Street reduce Middle Class.
1945-1% owned 30% Total Financial Wealth
1980-1% owned 20%
1989-36% (Ron big tax cuts for 1%)
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2008--Bush Finished the Job
1%=43%
10%=70%
20%=93%
80%=7%-=120,000,000 workers=SHAFTED
20 years 3 Conservative presidents
18 years Conservative Senate
12 years Conservative House
6 years TOTAL CONTROL
Bush 8 let Wall Street go into Big Time Gambling
Instead of using investors money to create new businesses and increase current ones and create Jobs,
They created 31,000 Net New Jobs per Month.A shame.
Prior were Carter 218,000--Reagan 175,000--Clinton record 237.000
31,000 was an insult to working America.
During Bush 8 Wall Street shipped 2,300,000 of our jobs to China.
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It will take creation of 250,00 new jobs per month for five years to get back to full employment (5%)
The Conservative ideology of Market knows best gave us Great Depression and Great Recession. Even Ultra Conservative Alan Greenspan had to admit it.
WHAT DID THEY DO??
Since 1980
60% Tax Cut to Top 1%
47% Tax Cut to Gamblers on Wall Street in Unearned Income Tax
Huge Estate Tax Cut
Revenue Sharing costs to rich in income taxes transferred to Middle Class in property taxes.
Fed gave Bush 1% Interest and big increase in Total Money Supply
1920's Deja Vu. Banks rushed to borrow and lend lend lend to Developers
to build homes too large-too expensive for middle class declining disposable income
Increased Middle Class Payroll Tax
Taxes SS income
Five Cent Tax On Gas
Spending Spree on Defense which enriched Rich Investors in Defense
stocks,.
The Big Three took a 1000B of Debt from Carter and added on 8000B in 20 years of Spend + Borrow Our kids Can Pay Tomorrow.
Carter left Reagan a 600B Budget to which he added on 80%.
Carter left Reagan a less than 1000B of Debt and he added on 1700B
Clinton left Bush an 1800 B Budget which Bush took to 3600B..
Clinton left Bush a Surplus as far as an eye could see and Bush added on
6000B Debt or more than we had after 220 years.Grover Nutquist had a party..
Folks! It was intentional. Grover Nutquist of ATR made 127 visits to White House in Bush first term. He was one who wanted to drown Government in a bathtub..How! Spend and Borrow to force us to eliminate Social Programs.
He has us, in 2010, exactly where he wanted us.
Facts hurt. Democrats are just dumb to not preach it over and over
8 more of Neocons And American World Status will disappear to number two or three or worse.
Neocon ideology destroyed Rome-Spain-Holland-England and now America?
cswinney old ugly mean honest
prove me wrong please with facts and numbers
Enjoy.
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Makes a good point ( I mean, Damn that lying muslim loving gay-ass liberal!!!!!)
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Dipshit--and I call you that only because that's the kindest word I can think of to use with you...
Do you even bother to check the numbers are thrown at you simply because they support your views, or do you actually CHECK them?
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Dipshit--and I call you that only because that's the kindest word I can think of to use with you...
Do you even bother to check the numbers are thrown at you simply because they support your views, or do you actually CHECK them?
I'll give you two guesses, but you will only need one.
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Wait, what was the Prime Rate during Carter again?....
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Clarence is a DU wonder:
http://demopedia.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=108x135834
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Linkys Clarence.....Prove ya didn't just pull the whole thing outta your ass.....Your the one who made the claim....You back it up first....Otherwise...you're just another Lib talkin out your ass..
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Oh look, our friend sent us another letter. :mental:
GARBAGE HO HUM RIGHT WING FREAK NUT AGAIN!!!!
CANCEL CANCEL KEEP HEAD IN SAND
I ALWAY ASK ONE THING PROVE ME WRONG WITH NUMBERS AND FACTS
I told him to bring that shit in here and quit wasting my time with pointless emails. I doubt he'll actually do it, but that remains to be seen.
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Internally, the nation faced a multitude of serious economic problems -- double-digit inflation, high unemployment and a prime interest rate of 21.5 percent, the highest since the Civil War. Overseas problems had also proliferated -- the energy crisis, the red-tinged Sandinistas in Nicaragua, the unbalanced SALT II treaty, the brutal Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, falling dominos in Africa, the American hostages in Iran. The Vietnam syndrome that permeated and obstructed U.S. foreign policy was reinforced by Carter's maladroit actions and the malaise that he, not the American people, produced.
http://www.reagansheritage.org/html/reagan_edwards12.shtml
How can we ever forget the Carter years? brings a tear to my eyes just thinking about it.
Go to the link to debunk the Carter to Reagan nonsense.
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Oh look, our friend sent us another letter. :mental:
I told him to bring that shit in here and quit wasting my time with pointless emails. I doubt he'll actually do it, but that remains to be seen.
I'd say point our little seagull to the federal budget figures from 1900 on, found HERE. (http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/fy2010/assets/hist.pdf)
Or the CBO figures, found HERE. (http://www.cbo.gov/budget/data/historical.pdf)
Or perhaps the IRS figures for income and taxation, found HERE. (http://www.taxfoundation.org/news/show/250.html) Oh, and before you get your panties in a wad, DUmmies, consider that the figures the Tax Foundation uses comes from the IRS.
Suck it, bitches.
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He doesn't back anything up though as we can see from this thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=114x79037
liberal N proud (1000+ posts) Mon May-24-10 01:43 PM
Response to Original message
1. If you have the links to fact - there is no argument
Facts are facts.
inna (1000+ posts) Mon May-24-10 01:55 PM
Response to Original message
2. Yeah, it would be nice to have links/supporting info.
I'm not saying your facts are wrong, it's just always helpful to provide supporting evidence/references, especially when you cite hard numbers.
Just put the 1st paragraph in Google and see how many places he posted that drivel. BTW here's a response from someone in reference to Clarence's post on Huff Po, of course Clarence doesn't come back to answer them:
“That's pretty interesting--especially in view of the fact that only about half of Americans pay income tax. Most don't earn enough money to qualify. Kid, you can't have it both ways. Either we tax cut the hell out of the wealthy and destroyed the middle class, or What?...how about the middle class destroyed the middle class by not paying attention to soaring local, state and fed government spending. It is the constriction of wages in the private sector with the unfettered obese growth of the public sector that has put us in the postion that we are in today. We moved away from a manufacturing base to a service economy. We bought the Koolaid that a country can compete on a world market by "being nice" and exporting jobs that the "disadvantaged ": could do as well and cheaper via outsourcing. We embraced a gratuituous "born to shop " mentality and we lived as if credit cards would save us. None of this was the work of Billionaires--it was all the little guy being fat lazy and indolent. Well, you got what you wanted, so quit whining.â€
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Clarence is a DU wonder:
http://demopedia.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=108x135834
Clarence is all over the place like a case of herpes...
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22clarence+swinney%22
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(http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/obama-deficit-bush2.jpg)
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(http://www.visualizingeconomics.com/wp-content/uploads/Income.gif)
Of course facts don't matter to propagandists so I will leave you with this little thought:
Go ahead an nationalize EVERYTHING. Go and take the schools, the energy sector, manufacturing, health care, food production, automotive, banking, investments...everything
Take them all.
Do it.
I dare you.
Take them and inextricably lock them into the government's control never again to be within reach of the common man.
And while you're doing that I'll just sit here.
And tune-up my collection of electronic voting machines.
1% ownership?
heh! You wish!
Let's try .01% when we're done.