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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Jun-06-10 03:28 AM
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Say goodbye to full-time jobs with benefits Updated at 3:28 AM
Edited on Sun Jun-06-10 03:32 AM by Better Believe It
Say goodbye to full-time jobs with benefits
By Chris Isidore, senior writer
June 5, 2010
NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Jobs may be coming back, but they aren't the same ones workers were used to.
Many of the jobs employers are adding are temporary or contract positions, rather than traditional full-time jobs with benefits. With unemployment remaining near 10%, employers have their pick of workers willing to accept less secure positions.
James Stoeckmann, senior practice leader at WorldatWork, a professional association of human resource executives, believes that full-time employees could become the minority of the nation's workforce within 20 to 30 years, leaving employees without traditional benefits such as health coverage, paid vacations and retirement plans, that most workers take for granted today.
"The traditional job is not doomed. But it will increasingly have competition from other models, the most prominent is the independent contractor model," he said.
Doug Arms, senior vice president of Ajilon, a staffing firm, says about 90% of the positions his company is helping clients fill right now are on a contract basis.
"Employers are reluctant to bring on permanent employees too quickly," he said. "And the available candidate landscape is much different now. They're a little more aggressive to take any position."
Much of the change is due to employers' desire to limit their costs. Stoechmann equates the shift to the one seen in retirement plans, in which employers moved away from the traditional pension plan toward defined contribution plans, which passes more of the burden onto the employee.
Health care reform legislation passed earlier this year, which will create a mandate for employers to provide health benefits for employees but not contractors, will also feed the trend.
"Once you have an employer mandate in place, you create an incentive for employers to get around that mandate," said Susan Houseman, a senior economist studying labor issues at the W.E. Upjohn Institute.
Sara Horowitz, the founder and executive director of the Freelancers Union, an advocacy group for freelancers and independent contractors, said that employment laws and protections have been slow to recognize the shift. For example, independent contractors aren't eligible for unemployment benefits. And they have to pay both the employee and the employer match on their Social Security taxes.
Read the full article at:
http://money.cnn.com/2010/06/01/news/economy/contract_j...
Emphasis added by DUmbass.
You know DUmbass, this is EXACTLY what conservatives were saying would happen. Go to hotair.com and search their articles and those they brought over from numerous sources like the WSJ. You and CNN ignored them. In fact, you did worse than ignore them, you vilified them and said it was nothing more than abject racism because the president was half non-white.
Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Jun-06-10 03:34 AM
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4. Not when we are well organized and have competent leadership. Updated at 3:28 AM
Look at American history.
We need to organize on a massive scale and independently of the politicians. Don't wait for some savior or saviors.
Who did you vote for in 2008.
'Cuz unless you voted for Palin and her trained monkey then you voted for exactly what you are bitching about.
You EARNED this.
Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Jun-06-10 03:33 AM
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2. a conservative wet dream
But conservatives fought against this idiotic bill for this very reason.
Then there is the violent Teabagger faction:
Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Jun-06-10 03:34 AM
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3. as long as people allow themselves to be fcked they will be fcked
until they rise up, there wont be change.
pattmarty (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Jun-06-10 01:30 PM
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31. My belief is that for the people that can afford to move to another...............
............country that doesn't treat the MAJORITY of it's citizens like ****ing shit. As far as the rest of us with no resources or educational backing, we are ****ED.
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff84/Tony_Doc_Redburn/612capture_tombstone03-full.jpg)
"Well--bye."
rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Jun-06-10 01:34 PM
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33. with all the teacher firings going on
we're ****ed for at least another generation.
Yes, as RI goes, so goes the nation.
And it goes on like this.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8495810
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Yeah, DUmbasses, we need to copy Greece! 40% of the population either worked for or contracted to the gubmint. That's the ticket, we need to be just like Greece! They have cradle to grave welfare, retire in their 50's, and are running a huge surplus of cash!
Oh, wait................
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Really just the readily-foreseeable consequence of putting in government requirements that gold-plate those 'Regular jobs' to the point they don't make economic sense for the employers. DUmmies, Dems, and union gangsters don't really understand non-Marxist economics, of course, and since Marxist economics don't actually work in real life, it's kind of a perfect storm of stupid when they're in charge.
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New thread, same 2-legged pony:
LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Jun-06-10 03:09 PM
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Health Insurance Reform: My premiums are going up.
My salary is dropping down an elevator shaft, since it is funded by state revenues. My premiums are projected to rise between 15% and 26% this fall.
I already don't use my insurance; I can't afford the deductibles. Now I'll be paying significantly more for insurance I can't afford to use, while my salary will be significantly less.
This is the Democratic majority's insurance reform.
No wonder I didn't support it.
ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Jun-06-10 03:17 PM
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1. Yep. Those of us who didn't support it
didn't support it for reasons just like this.
vi5 (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Jun-06-10 03:22 PM
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2. But it's REFORM!
It reformed things. Why do you hate reform? I mean health insurance was formed one way and now this is a new way. Hence re-form. Isn't that enough?
AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Jun-06-10 03:28 PM
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4. Many of us who were sounding the alarm over this bill
Will be proven right in 2 years. We'll be told to shut up when we asked for it to be fixed as well.
The fix was in from the beginning when they dropped any notion of a public option in July from the executive branch.
He got his Rose Garden ceremony, time to look forward.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8497439
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vi5 (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Jun-06-10 03:22 PM
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2. But it's REFORM!
It reformed things. Why do you hate reform? I mean health insurance was formed one way and now this is a new way. Hence re-form. Isn't that enough?
:rotf:
Oooohhh, somebody is flirting with a delicious serving of Italian cuisine there!
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Emphasis added by DUmbass.
You know DUmbass, this is EXACTLY what conservatives were saying would happen. Go to hotair.com and search their articles and those they brought over from numerous sources like the WSJ. You and CNN ignored them. In fact, you did worse than ignore them, you vilified them and said it was nothing more than abject racism because the president was half non-white.
Of course conservatives said that, and many of us showed examples of what could happen yet we were dismissed by the left.
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So 1+1 still does not equal blue?????
If this was a hundred years ago 96% of the DUmp would have died by age 12.
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Jun-06-10 03:34 AM
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4. Not when we are well organized and have competent leadership. Updated at 3:28 AM
Look at American history.
We need to organize on a massive scale and independently of the politicians. Don't wait for some savior or saviors.
Sounds like this person is calling for something like a TEA PARTY PROTEST!
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Of course conservatives said that, and many of us showed examples of what could happen yet we were dismissed by the left.
No doubt that there are some on the left who will claim that these issues have been purposely created by conservatives to make Healthcare Reform look bad.
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It really ought to hurt to be that stupid, but judging by the number of them who claim to be on pain or psychoactive meds, maybe it does.
:popcorn:
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No doubt that there are some on the left who will claim that these issues have been purposely created by conservatives to make Healthcare Reform look bad.
Booooooooosh! oh and Karl Rove!
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OK what country outside of the USA doesn't treat their population like shit and has far more control over them then we do? So far as I can count that number would be ZERO ,that's the same number of intelligent people voting in the Democratic party.
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pattmarty (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Jun-06-10 01:30 PM
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31. My belief is that for the people that can afford to move to another country that doesn't treat the MAJORITY of it's citizens like ****ing shit.
Good luck finding one of those, DUmmy. However, if you would like to leave THIS one, I don't think anybody here will stop you.
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Good luck finding one of those, DUmmy. However, if you would like to leave THIS one, I don't think anybody here will stop you.
Hell, I'll give the DUmmie a free ride to the airport. :-)
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They always say they're going to leave, completely ignoring the threads that talk about how you just can't land in country X and be welcomed with open arms and free stuff.
Hey DUmmies, you could always vote for someone this fall who has promised to repeal and replace!
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Here's a new thread of someone coughing up blood:
Taverner (1000+ posts) Mon Jun-07-10 11:49 AM
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Coughing blood and no insurance
Well this sucks...
So no doctor, no meds and I guess I should die quickly, right?
Thank you Republican Party...I am one of your statistics
Excuse me? what does this have to do with the Republican Party? I thought Obamacare was going to take care of everyone?
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Coughing up blood?
How about you use WebMD and figure it out for yourself, douche nozzle.
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Here's a new thread of someone coughing up blood:
Excuse me? what does this have to do with the Republican Party? I thought Obamacare was going to take care of everyone?
Taverner is a moron, du jour. Hey Tav.... ObamaCare passed. Remember? Go make love to your free pony.
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Heddi (1000+ posts)
Mon Jun-07-10 03:19 PM
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11. Locking
If you are indeed coughing up blood, insurance or no insurance, you need to be seeing a Doctor in your local emergency room for treatment.
Thanks
Heddi
DU Mod
:overreaction:
It wouldn't have anything to do with the fact that Taverner is a smoker, would it? Naw, that's too easy. Must be some Republican's fault somewhere.
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Heddi is correct. If he coughing up blood, go to the ER. It's illegal to deny you emergency care.
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Heddi is correct. If he coughing up blood, go to the ER. It's illegal to deny you emergency care.
Bright red speckles in sputum generally denote an irritated esophagus and it not medically significant.
Dark brownish sputum, particularly with a rancid odor, requires intervention.
Not to cast dispersions BUT...
...I wonder which of the 2 Taverner suffers from. Knowing DUmbasses my guess is the former because he needs SOMETHING to bitch about.
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So they locked a thread because someone should go to the ER?
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So they locked a thread because someone should go to the ER?
nice of them huh? heh
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What else would you recommend to get someone off the computer? :evillaugh:
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Bright red speckles in sputum generally denote an irritated esophagus and it not medically significant.
Dark brownish sputum, particularly with a rancid odor, requires intervention.
Not to cast dispersions BUT...
...I wonder which of the 2 Taverner suffers from. Knowing DUmbasses my guess is the former because he needs SOMETHING to bitch about.
I thought coughing up blood was a normal and natural part of respiration. New blood, old blood, it's just a sign that your lungs are in tip-top shape. This dummie shouldn't worry, and carry on as normal.
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They have a rule at the DU about diagnosing each others' illnesses on the boards. They had to make that rule, because everybody is a hypochondriac over there, and are constantly bitching about their medical woes and the fact that it isn't free to fix them or tamp them down with phun pharmaceuticals.
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So they locked a thread because someone should go to the ER?
NO. They locked it before he could go and come back to tell them that he was number 214 behind illegal aliens undocumented patients.
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AllentownJake
4. Many of us who were sounding the alarm over this bill
Will be proven right in 2 years. We'll be told to shut up when we asked for it to be fixed as well.
The fix was in from the beginning when they dropped any notion of a public option in July from the executive branch.
A public option would have cost as much or more. These idiots have no ability to do research, to crunch the numbers, and to reason for themselves. They just take what some liberal study has told them to believe.
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I thought coughing up blood was a normal and natural part of respiration. New blood, old blood, it's just a sign that your lungs are in tip-top shape. This dummie shouldn't worry, and carry on as normal.
I agree! Hell no big deal! "Mere flesh wound!", ( in the spirit of Lil' Abner with a hole shot thru yer forehead )!
Oh shit, just copped to my age dinn't I?
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I agree! Hell no big deal! "Mere flesh wound!", ( in the spirit of Lil' Abner with a hole shot thru yer forehead )!
Oh shit, just copped to my age dinn't I?
Yup. You shoulda said, "in the spirit of Monty Python and the Holy Grail." It woulda cut 30 or so years off. :tongue:
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Yup. You shoulda said, "in the spirit of Monty Python and the Holy Grail." It woulda cut 30 or so years off. :tongue:
Hell, who the hell still remembers Monte? Lil' Abner is 60's!
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What else would you recommend to get someone off the computer? :evillaugh:
Tell them there is Obama Money in their mailbox?
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Tell them there is Obama Money in their mailbox?
You mean his stash?
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Yes, from his stash.
O-ba-ma! O-ba-ma!