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Ardent15 (1000+ posts) Fri Jun-04-10 03:44 PM
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The enemy is not merely the Republican Party
Edited on Fri Jun-04-10 03:45 PM by Ardent15
The GOP is a symptom, not a cause. The real enemy is the ruling class that uses both parties to divide the working people.
The Republicans are vicious and mean-spirited, but do we expect anything else? They have been that way for decades. They have always been corporate and callous and authoritarian.
What gets me, however, is the number of Democrats, liberals, and progressives who parrot and defend and promote the ruling class. Look at the defenders of Capitalism rampant in Democratic circles, or the suggestions for privatization of public housing, schools, and the response to the disaster in the Gulf.
Now, some would say that it's all the media's fault. The media, however, is merely a tool of the ruling class, an extension of the core that defines the status quo and a symptom of the ruling class's dominance over our lives.
If we continue to parrot the talking points of the ruling class, we will be no better than them. We will be no better than Republicans, where it is in the ****ing job description to defend Capitalism and the free markets and privatization and the ruling class and authority in general.
Why are we saying "We can do what the Republicans do, only better and more efficient!"? We should be offering alternatives to the status quo, not offering a polished, "Me Too" narrative that is basically Republican lite! Yet that is what is being offered by far too many Democrats, liberals, and progressives.
FDR said of the economic royalists, "They are unanimous in their hatred of me..and I welcome their hatred." You know why he could say that? Because he had strong pressure-not support, but PRESSURE-from the Left in America.
Yet due to the legacy of Ronald Reagan and others like him, we don't have much of a Left in America anymore. It seems we have taken the Reagan narrative and accepted it, and offer tepid "Me Too" solutions instead of rejecting the narrative that is presented.
If we don't stop demonizing the Left, apologizing for the Right, and defending the status quo and the ruling class, what choice do we have but surrender and acceptance
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Sebastian Doyle (1000+ posts) Fri Jun-04-10 03:52 PM
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5. First thing we have to do is admit that the policies of the last 30 years have failed miserably.
And that anyone who believes the failed policies took an 8 year vacation from 1993 - 2001, or anyone who believes they ended on January 20, 2009 - is deluding themselves.
The DLC are willing partners of the Bush Crime Family controlled GOP. We need to rid ourselves of BOTH or there is no ****ing hope for this country's survival.
If the Bush family was so omnipotent then please answer why your cesspool of a site exists and why you yourself still do too.
rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Sat Jun-05-10 09:29 AM
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68. I have also. Our biggest challange is to unite the common people against the ruling class.
If we cant do that, all is lost.
Not enough lunatics for you to do that,sorry.
The Doctor. (1000+ posts) Sat Jun-05-10 11:12 AM
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93. And the ruling class are utter fools.
They have worked hard at subverting democracy wherever possible. They believe the laws that give the 'little people' power are a nuisance. They see no connection between the creation of their wealth and the democratic society that made it possible.
Unfortunately for them, or perhaps their grandchildren, the laws they wish to do away with are also for their protection. The more they do away with those laws, the more they take away from the people, the more they have to isolate themselves from the society they've plundered.
They must personally create security mechanisms to protect them from inevitable retribution. For that, they have to create control mechanisms to maintain the integrity of their security apparatus. The more control they create, the more isolated they become.
They will live in fear, and deservedly so.
But it gets better; they will create points of immense power/control. Those in the immediate lower echelons will not be satisfied being under the thumb of their rulers. Having wealth and some power is never enough when there are those more powerful; and fear of what those with the power can do will drive those in the 2nd and lower echelons to undermine their rulers.
They will take everything back to a feudal system where there is no true protection for the rulers besides ever greater isolation.
Ultimately, they will have created a system that is less safe for their status, or even their lives. Eventually, the people will once again become instrumental in reshaping the system.
It may be a hundred years, but eventually these treacherous cowards will be dealt with.
Well there are a few lunatic enough anyways.
inna (1000+ posts) Fri Jun-04-10 05:43 PM
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23. Capitalism rightfully belongs in the garbage pile of history.
Along with slavery and such.
This is becoming more and more clear to everyone (even as indicated by recent polls), despite the relentless anti-socialist propaganda and brainwashing by the ruling class.
Good luck peddling capitalism though.
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Fri Jun-04-10 05:56 PM
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25. It goes back farther than Reagan,
back to the 50's, the Red Scare, McCarthy and yes liberal icons like Truman and JFK.
Kill Capitalism
sendero (1000+ posts) Fri Jun-04-10 06:10 PM
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29. I agree with you..
.. but after voting for change and getting the same on steroids, I've lost all faith in politics to accomplish anything at all.
The coming DEPRESSION might be enough to get some sanity into public and economic policy, but I'm not at all sure that we're not already too far gone.
Hopefully if that happens the result will be to never ever again let a socialist touch the reins of power.
spanone (1000+ posts) Sat Jun-05-10 09:06 AM
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65. the enemy is the republicans AND their ownership of the media.
Damn that right winger Dan Rather.
DonCoquixote (863 posts) Sat Jun-05-10 10:58 AM
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87. I might add
You said:
"One way to free yourself from indoctrination is to avoid all TV and radio news and get your information solely from newspapers and books."
Actually it goes further than that. We need the internet now, places like DU and others, because frankly, publishing houses and newspaper presses are under just as much pressure and control as the TV nowadays. You can see items in the New York Times that never would have made it in there ten years ago. We will need the internet as it is the only medium that cannot yet be fenced off.
I want my own facts and reality!!!
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This calls for Congressional hearings on what the Republicans and corporatists did with all the People's Ponies!!!
:rotf:
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These people just do not live on Planet Earth
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They are realizing they are not getting their ponies.
Yes, and it's obvious in the way they've nearly stopped talking altogether about single-payer health care, gay marriage, Iraq and Afghanistan, expanded entitlements and the like. They've been reduced to rehashing for the 4,784,923rd time the 2000 election, Booooosh "war crimes", Ronald Reagan, the Civil War, and fossilized Marxist theory.
'Tis sad and dejected times for the Hivemind.
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femrap (1000+ posts) Sat Jun-05-10 12:51 PM
105. I saw a horrible
sticker yesterday: 'Spay and neuter Liberals.' I went over and pulled off the 'support our troops' magnet. I wish I had had a piece of paper to write 'Jesus was a Liberal.'
That sticker infuriated me. I didn't harm the car...just knocked off the magnet which had left a really ugly rusted print on a blue car.
I think people who put mean bumper stickers on their cars are going to have to realize there are Liberals out there who aren't going to be spayed or neutered.
I like your bumper sticker ideas.
Destruction of private property should never be acceptable, oh and I guess this fool missed out on the 8 years of anti-Bush bumper stickers, they just don't like it when it's done to them.
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The truth just gets their lil knickers in such a wad doesn't it? :-)
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The truth just gets their lil knickers in such a wad doesn't it? :-)
Yes it does, so this is worth posting again:
To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.
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DonCoquixote (863 posts) Sat Jun-05-10 10:58 AM
Response to Reply #83
87. I might add
You said:
"One way to free yourself from indoctrination is to
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3w7CrxLj36I[/youtube]
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Its fun to watch the DUmmies face reality.
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Its fun to watch the DUmmies face reality.
and run away from it
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Gee, unloading 'the ruling class' - the incumbents - is one of the main planks of The Tea Party.
Especially the incumbents who are do-nothing empty suits who have been doing nothing productive for years.
Sadly for you, most of those are Democrats.
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What I find most amusing about this whole topic is this, when have the Democrats ever delivered the nirvana that they always promise? You can take the black community as an example, every 2-4 years the Democrats go traipsing into black communities and promise them the moon, they get elected then leave the hood and go back to their own cushy neighborhoods. In all of these decades what have the Democrats ever done to improve their lives? and I don't consider Government benefits an improvement of their lives. You take Obama's former constituents on the Southside of Chicago, how are their lives improved after Obama represented them? the only place you see a better status of living in the black community is when they turn their backs on dependency and decide to help themselves, their lives and self-esteem are better for it. Don't people get that the welfare benefits that increased in the 1960's were meant to destroy the black family? how much more unemployment, despair, burglary, murders etc. are going to be acceptable before they realize what party is keeping them down, for their own nefarious purposes I might add. They've been tossed aside all these years by the Democrats except around election time, and with the increasing hispanic population in this Country they going to be tossed even further down because the Democrats won't need their votes as much.
Off my soapbox now!
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Destruction of private property should never be acceptable, oh and I guess this fool missed out on the 8 years of anti-Bush bumper stickers, they just don't like it when it's done to them.
That's funny. One of my neighbor's has a "Spay & Neuter Republicans" bumper sticker. I giggle and continue to drive away.
I stole ONE bumper sticker my whole life. It was a "mind your own uterus". I was in a bad mood that day and decided to yank it off her/his/its car. No harm no foul. I don't put magnetic bumper stickers on me car. Too easy to rip off.
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The Doctor. (1000+ posts) Sat Jun-05-10 11:12 AM
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93. And the ruling class are utter fools.
They have worked hard at subverting democracy wherever possible. They believe the laws that give the 'little people' power are a nuisance. They see no connection between the creation of their wealth and the democratic society that made it possible.
So you're being ruled by utter fools! Doesn't say much about you now does it?
Cindie
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So you're being ruled by utter fools! Doesn't say much about you now does it?
Cindie
I thought that they were the smarterest people on the face of Mother Earth! :o :tongue: :whatever:
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The truth just gets their lil knickers in such a wad doesn't it? :-)
Or as Michael Savage calls them, "Red Diaper Doper Babies".
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The Doctor. (1000+ posts) Sat Jun-05-10 11:12 AM
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93. And the ruling class are utter fools.
They have worked hard at subverting democracy wherever possible. They believe the laws that give the 'little people' power are a nuisance. They see no connection between the creation of their wealth and the democratic society that made it possible.
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Ultimately, they will have created a system that is less safe for their status, or even their lives. Eventually, the people will once again become instrumental in reshaping the system.
It may be a hundred years, but eventually these treacherous cowards will be dealt with.
Funny thing, Mao, Che, Castro, Lenin, Stalin, all pretty much said the same thing.
Boy howdy sparky, there be some nice history you align yourself with, Dr DUmmy.
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The Doctor. (1000+ posts) Sat Jun-05-10 11:12 AM
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93. ...
But it gets better; they will create points of immense power/control. Those in the immediate lower echelons will not be satisfied being under the thumb of their rulers. Having wealth and some power is never enough when there are those more powerful; and fear of what those with the power can do will drive those in the 2nd and lower echelons to undermine their rulers...
They might not be satisfied being under the thumb of their rulers, but they don't mind suckling at the teat of big government, provided by their rulers, one bit....
The rest of "herr doktor's" post is total bullshit, and completely incomprehensible....
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They might not be satisfied being under the thumb of their rulers, but they don't mind suckling at the teat of big government, provided by their rulers, one bit....
The rest of "herr doktor's" post is total bullshit, and completely incomprehensible....
Funny, I didn't think they'd let Ted Kaczinski near a computer again...
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Funny, I didn't think they'd let Ted Kaczinski near a computer again...
Sounds a lot like Charlie Manson to me. Ever see one of his parole hearings? He sounds just like a DUmmie!
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Sounds a lot like Charlie Manson to me. Ever see one of his parole hearings? He sounds just like a DUmmie!
Say what you will, I think Crazy Ted's 'Manifesto' is the classic DUmmie social engineering rant by which all others must be judged, truly a benchmark for the ages in DUmmie thinking.
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Hey, the DUmmies got their ponies....sort of....it was an out dated bottle of glue.