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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: ScubaGuy on June 03, 2010, 07:13:11 PM
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Yep they sure are one brilliant group of people.
DUH (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8480220)
subsuelo (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-03-10 06:57 PM
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I could care less if all oil drilling ends. Updated at 6:58 PM
I could care less if all oil drilling ends, right now, the world over.
People cry and complain that the economy will tank. That we depend on crude oil for so many things and how could we possibly get by without it.
Maybe the key phrase to consider is "for so many things". See, it's not an addiction to oil that's the problem. It's an addiction to things. In other words: It's the materialism, stupid!
All the 'things' that depend on oil such as vehicles and plastic goods - I could care less if I had to go on without those precious things. My life would have to go on, and I might be forced to - Go outside and enjoy nature! Tend to my garden! Spend time with family! Oh, the horror (sarcasm). I might have to use paper bags at the store!
Actually the back-to-nature scenario isn't so scary at all for me.
Maybe cold-turkey is the best method. We obviously are not motivated enough to make necessary changes towards an oil-free society on our own time schedule.
So, why stop at the DW Horizon site - I say let's start plugging them all up, every last one of them. For the good of the planet (the planet includes us - we are not separate from it).
Yes you can walk to the store but it's going to be dark in there since there will be NO electricity. And even if it wasn't how the heck do you think the food is going to get there? Healing white light will not grow or deliver FOOD!
RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-03-10 07:07 PM
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1. So, you are OK with mass starvation?
AT least one DUmmie gets it.
subsuelo (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-03-10 07:12 PM
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2. Nice corporate propaganda excuse Updated at 6:58 PM
Edited on Thu Jun-03-10 07:12 PM by subsuelo
yeah, we're all going to starve to death without our precious oil.
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-03-10 07:15 PM
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3. it is a myth
It is a myth that agriculture is dependent upon oil. Use of oil allowed many people to leave the farm and mover to the city, that is all. It is whatever they are doing in lieu of farming that is dependent upon oil.
MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-03-10 07:43 PM
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8. You obviously aren't a farmer are you.
What, you think that farmers are still using Belgian horses and mortarboard plows to break the soil? Hauling produce to market in a buckboard pulled by the old gray mare?
And let's not even get into the amount of petroleum to be found in various fertilizers, herbicides and pesticides.
I could just picture all the urban dwelling DUmmies trying to figure out how to feed a family of four from a window planter. :lmao:
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If over-the-road truckers stopped driving retailers would be out of food and other supplies in 3 days.
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subsuelo (1000+ posts)
Thu Jun-03-10 06:57 PM
Original message
I could care less if all oil drilling ends, right now, the world over.
Have fun walking, DUmmy ::)
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They have no idea how far reaching oil is into society and the benefits they enjoy because of it.
That they make these proclamations without thought or research shows what simple minded and ignorant fools they are.
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I've always found it hypocritical for people to say stop our dependency on oil yet there they are in homes that need oil to run, on their computers in that home, drive their cars here and there, why not practice what you preach and go live in a tree.
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subsuelo
I could care less if all oil drilling ends, right now, the world over.
I say let's start plugging them all up, every last one of them.
OK, here's deal, take it or leave it: You cap the wells, and conservatives get to cap every liberal. That's a fair trade.
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see, to a dummy, all of these problems would be solved if we all just drove electric cars.
after all, electric cars don't use oil. they just recharge.
and i know what you are thinking... were does the electricity come from? there is a plug. in the wall. that spews electricity. its all very green.
all of life's problems really are that simple.
electricity just comes from somewhere. when i flush the toilet, or put the trash out every wednesday for pickup, it just goes someplace. if you need food you just take public transportation to the store, all he food you need is right there.
why can't you people see how simple these solutions are?
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I have said many many times:
Oil is the best reason in the world to go to war.
I have upset many a "No War For Oil" idiot.
It made me happy.
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why can't you people see how simple these solutions are?
:rofl:
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Yep they sure are one brilliant group of people.
DUH (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8480220)
Yes you can walk to the store but it's going to be dark in there since there will be NO electricity. And even if it wasn't how the heck do you think the food is going to get there? Healing white light will not grow or deliver FOOD!
AT least one DUmmie gets it.
I could just picture all the urban dwelling DUmmies trying to figure out how to feed a family of four from a window planter. :lmao:
Oil is used for a great many things, like the drugs DUmmies like/need to ingest on a regular basis....
In that aspect, yes, I'd LOVE to see "NO OIL" for about a month or so....
Otherwise, since there will be no wheat for bread, let them eat cake....
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How do you educate DUmmies....plug the oil wells.
How do you convert socialist to capitalist....plug the oil wells.
How do you convert deadbeats to worker bees.... plug the oil wells.
The socialist welfare system depends more on oil than the dam DUmmies can imagine.
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Oh my God. I'm speechless. This may have to end up in mind numbing stupidity. "I might have to use paper bags at the store." I know papermaking. It uses tremendous amounts of energy, about 25% of the cost of mfg is energy, and oil is part of the mix. I don't have time to row over right now, but I intend to. What a dipshit.
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Oh my God. I'm speechless. This may have to end up in mind numbing stupidity. "I might have to use paper bags at the store." I know papermaking. It uses tremendous amounts of energy, about 25% of the cost of mfg is energy, and oil is part of the mix. I don't have time to row over right now, but I intend to. What a dipshit.
To add, there will not be anything on those store shelves to put into those paper bags.
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OK, here's deal, take it or leave it: You cap the wells, and conservatives get to cap every liberal. That's a fair trade.
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That line has bumper sticker potential.
When liberals cap the wells
Conservatives will cap the liberals
ETA : It gets darn cold in the winter. Shall I heat with COAL or just yell Timber??
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Oil is used for a great many things, like the drugs DUmmies like/need to ingest on a regular basis....
In that aspect, yes, I'd LOVE to see "NO OIL" for about a month or so....
Otherwise, since there will be no wheat for bread, let them eat cake....
How would they make pleather for the PETA idiots over at DU without oil?
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Get a load of this moonbat:
William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Thu Jun-03-10 08:30 PM
Response to Reply #24
34. People would need to be closer to their food source, more labor would be needed. Look at the billions that suburbanites spend on junk trying to fill the void left by the absence of the things they once had for free on the farm - natural beauty, exercise and fitness, peace of mind, meaning and purpose in their lives, community, being out-of-doors, freshness, natural things. They buy all sorts of crap to get those things, and all of that crap is much more dependent upon oil than farming is.
:lmao: :kumbaya:
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I look at it this way...run out of oil tomorrow, and the cities will riot and burn themselves down in a matter of weeks, maybe days.
Anyone else see a problem with this?
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I look at it this way...run out of oil tomorrow, and the cities will riot and burn themselves down in a matter of weeks, maybe days.
Anyone else see a problem with this?
Yeah, the DUmmies will be escaping from the cities like rats from a sinking ship. They will be invading my territory trying to steal what little the government has left me.
Johnny Horton had a song that with a slight change would fit that situation.
"....we fired our cannons 'til the barrels melted down...then we grabbed an alligator and we fought another round....we stuffed his head with cannonballs and powered his behind....and we touched the powder off the gator lost his mind.... Wellllll we fired our guns but the DUmmies kept a coming but there wasn't nye as many as there was awhile ago...."
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Get a load of this moonbat:
:lmao: :kumbaya:
Check out this little exchange...
nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Fri Jun-04-10 12:31 AM
Response to Reply #170
182. Let me add a few factoids that most people
don't know... and I forgive Rousseau for the noble savage, he had no clue... we have no excuses.
Many an African society had institutional slavery built into it. Some slaves were sold and bought like they were in the South, and their children were property too. Others worked their debt that way and were closer to indentured servants. Why many of the EARLY African American Slaves went into the business themselves once they became free men in the early colonies.
When the slave trade started with Africa, many of those slaves were captured and provided by other more powerful tribes.
Ah facts that many folks in the US don't learn... I mean after all we were the only ones that lived on with that particular institution... and others doing it don't justify the horrors either.
I have to put that there for the many round these parts that will make that exact argument. It does help to explain the ease of trade though. (Oh and of course even less known the trade in white slavery)
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Fri Jun-04-10 12:42 AM
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187. let's not go there
You are promoting two of the most popular revisionist ideas from Confederate sympathizers and racists.
"Black enslaved blacks" and "whites were slaves, too."
While those "factoids" may be true to one extent or another, they are only used for mitigating and obscuring the truth about the institution of slavery in this country, to whitewash racism out of the picture.
Don't go there, really.
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Check out this little exchange...
Anyone old enough to remember "Dragnet"..... "The facts ma'm, just the facts."
Yeah, well if it were on TV today it would go something like this.
Officer Joe Gannon, "The facts ma'am, just the liberal facts."
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Thu Jun-03-10 08:30 PM
Response to Reply #24
...the things they once had for free on the farm - natural beauty, exercise and fitness, peace of mind, meaning and purpose in their lives.......
Even a nine year old who has read at least one Little House on the Prarie book knows that there was very little "peace of mind" on the farm....... there were no weather reports, doughts and storms and swarms of locusts would ruin an entire year's crop......the remote locations of the farms put them many horse hours from medical care.....
Idiots. But they are amusing idiots.
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The dummies are immature, and don't think things any further out than their own selfish feelings. If they were children, it would be one thing. But these are adults, in age at least, saying things like this. Willful ignorance is an ugly thing.
A couple get it, that we would be back to the stone-age if the OP's fantasy came true. Others, like WZF, like to pretend that leftist fantasies of the communal farm would have people happy in their place in the Marxist utopia. WZF, with his supposed farm, is just using oil in his tractor for the time being, until he can be given enough workers by the government to do away with said tractor. That's what the Marxist fantasies boil down to, wishing for equal misery for all in the hopes they'll be one of the chosen few with a dacha.
This really is one of the dumbest threads from DU, ever. This is concrete block and chicken wire stupidity.
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Yeah DUmbass, stop the oil! Don't know of a single thing that would touch off a civil war in this country any quicker! Need I remind you which side is armed to the teeth?
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Okay but how are they going to print and deliver Welfare and SS checks?
How will they make soup in soup kitchens?
Deliver blankets to homeless shelters?
Manufacture MD 2o/20 for the bums?
How will pot be harvested and delivered.
How will the poor native Americans make money on the small plots of land they have left if their casinos suddenly went dark (and then what would my inlaws do on Friday nights)?
How would we cram all those city folk here in the country so they can get back to this idyllic country life?
Won't they have to displace the spotted owl to have enough space for everyone out here?
And how will they keep the rivers from becoming more polluted and stressed as more people live nearby and need to use them? How will the endangered sucker fish that eats the endangered salmon's eggs survive?
How will small, bruised organic fruit and vegetables that simply can't grow in certain parts of the country get to the overpriced, smelly mom and pop organic market?
How will they press tofu into those nice little cakes in those hermetically sealed cartons?
What will happen to tofurkey growers?
How will we support those poor undocumented workers and their families without large farms, construction companies and Home Depot parking lots?
Where will rappers and wannabes get their bling?
What happens when you're really, really stoned and you forget you have brownies in the oven (being heated by sticks and twigs, I guess) and the grass hut catches on fire?
Who will answer the phones when you dial 911 (or will we just send out smoke signals because phones will no longer be manufactured)? Will the firemen have to come with horses, dalmations and buckets again? And will they get there in time to help with the rebuilding because we'll need the water in those buckets to make the mud to hold the grass together.
What happens during the years when the crops fail and you can't just run in to Safeway and buy the fermented soy to make tempeh burgers for your annual harvest party?
If we're all moving to the country and living off the land how will we all have a big enough plot of land to feed the sheep, fiber goats, and rabbits to make your clothes?
How will the world's lesbians feed their cats? Will they have to resort to killing their own chickens since canned and packaged organic, human-grade cat food will no longer be manufactured?
See, DUmmie, you're only thinking about how this will affect you're fantasy life! You imagine every day full of sunshine where you can look outside your kitchen window and see peas and tomatoes growing with no droughts, or years where rain prevents you from planting in time to get enough food harvested to store for winter. Or years where rains rot most of the crops. How will you store food for the winter? You won't have a freezer any more because you won't have electricity. Stupid, stupid DUmmie.
Cindie
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This really is one of the dumbest threads from DU, ever. This is concrete block and chicken wire stupidity.
This is pretty normal for them. lol.
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It's an enormous thread, and when reading it, you slowly get the urge to wrap your hands around WZF's pencil neck and squeeeeeeeeze. This is basically his whole line of reasoning, spouted again and again:
pipi_k (1000+ posts) Thu Jun-03-10 08:00 PM
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21. Well, there are lots of people who wouldn't be so pleased...
like people who depend on plastic medical supplies and devices for quality of life, or even survival.
But hey, **** 'em. They're part of the problem too, so let them die or be miserable without the items they need.
William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Thu Jun-03-10 08:59 PM
Response to Reply #46
50. not true
Neither housing nor medicine are dependent upon oil. Brick existed long, long before oil, for example. Many great medical discoveries happened before we became dependent upon oil.
These fear tactics and extortion attempts have no place in serious discussions about this issue.
This absurd idea that we must accept everything about modern society, or else we will have nothing, could be used to defend every sort of horror and injustice and destruction. It is so used.
All thinking people should reject this line of argument.
Don't you just want to slug him with a baseball bat? "Not true," he sniffed. Cause I said it's not true. Case closed. Your arguement is debunked.
dionysus (1000+ posts) Thu Jun-03-10 08:47 PM
42. this might be the dumbest post i have ever read.
Phoonzang (1000+ posts) Thu Jun-03-10 09:20 PM
Response to Reply #42
74. Definately ranks in the top five. It's times like this I think of quitting this site. nt
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Thu Jun-03-10 08:59 PM
Response to Reply #46
50. not true
Neither housing nor medicine are dependent upon oil. Brick existed long, long before oil, for example. Many great medical discoveries happened before we became dependent upon oil.
These fear tactics and extortion attempts have no place in serious discussions about this issue.
This absurd idea that we must accept everything about modern society, or else we will have nothing, could be used to defend every sort of horror and injustice and destruction. It is so used.
All thinking people should reject this line of argument.
Bet he's never watched a child of his have an asthma attack. And then have to tell said child sorry, no inhaler for you...no nebulizer either because we can't manufacture them any more. But we're making the world a better place, kid so just suck it up!
Cindie
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Yeah, pipi K came back at him and said "when you're in an ambulance someday they can just put a brick on your face." :lmao: Good idea, use a little force while you're at it.
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Yeah, pipi K came back at him and said "when you're in an ambulance someday they can just put a brick on your face." :lmao: Good idea, use a little force while you're at it.
Now that there is best suggestion to come out of this, the "DUmbest thread from DU evah"!
Hey, Mods, why isn't this stickied into Mind Numbing Stupidity?
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Nothing is stopping the DUchebag OP from going cold turkey right now. It could also move over to Cuba, NK, or Africa and live close to oil free.
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Just tell the dummies there would be no more CD's or Blu-Ray discs. Mind change in a millisecond.
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I look at it this way...run out of oil tomorrow, and the cities will riot and burn themselves down in a matter of weeks, maybe days.
Anyone else see a problem with this?
Not really, as long as the citizens of the cities STAY in the cities....
Once they venture out, declare open season on them....
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Just tell the dummies there would be no more CD's or Blu-Ray discs. Mind change in a millisecond.
nah.
the dummys would just sit around the candle at night exchanging satisfying stories about busting their humps for 12 hours that day doing their field work. i mean, being all exercised and content and full of piece of mind and all. while they share that single potato they managed to grow.
and perhaps that other bunch of dummys that wzf has been using to pull the plow, the one's crammed into squalid conditions out in the barn, will break out into an ol' liberal spiritual for everyone's entertainment.
ahhh... life on the dummy farm...
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Just tell the dummies there would be no more CD's or Blu-Ray discs. Mind change in a millisecond.
No more plastic bags: no more junk food or soda.
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no more cheeto's??
oh da horror
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They could go back to glass bottles and paper bags.
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They could go back to glass bottles and paper bags.
I prefer plastic bags....
Over the heads of DUmmies.... :hammer:
DUmmie William Z. Foster is a special kind of stupid....
I'm talking rock hard, stone solid, black hole of stupid, stupid....
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nah.
the dummys would just sit around the candle at night exchanging satisfying stories about busting their humps for 12 hours that day doing their field work. i mean, being all exercised and content and full of piece of mind and all. while they share that single potato they managed to grow.
and perhaps that other bunch of dummys that wzf has been using to pull the plow, the one's crammed into squalid conditions out in the barn, will break out into an ol' liberal spiritual for everyone's entertainment.
ahhh... life on the dummy farm...
Kinda like the Communist plan (seems like the primitives had a thread about this back along) sending intellectuals back to the land, agrarian reform and all that?? :rotf:
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It's an enormous thread, and when reading it, you slowly get the urge to wrap your hands around WZF's pencil neck and squeeeeeeeeze. This is basically his whole line of reasoning, spouted again and again:
Don't you just want to slug him with a baseball bat? "Not true," he sniffed. Cause I said it's not true. Case closed. Your arguement is debunked.
That's the person I was arguing with on another thread, then I got pizza'd.
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Thu Jun-03-10 10:44 PM
140. BRICK?????
uh...yeah. OK.
If you ever find yourself needing oxygen, just tell the ambulance horse and buggy driver to put a brick on your face.
Insulin injections...now how creative can we get with those? Ooooh...I know!!! We'll hire little Pygmy Bushmen to shoot darts at the diabetic from 20 paces! Cuz there's no plastic hypodermic needles, don't you know.
Heating pads with vinyl coverings? Nahhhh....we'll just heat up some bricks.
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
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When WZ Foster is called on his hypocrisy on not leading the life he preaches we should lead he says this:
William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Fri Jun-04-10 12:04 AM
177. here is why
Political solutions to social issues are a matter of public policy, not personal choice.
So basically he wants the Government to force us into leading a life free from oil instead of letting it be the individuals choice.
NeedleCast (1000+ posts) Thu Jun-03-10 09:20 PM
76. I could care less if all oil drilling ends
He said, from his computer, made of plastic parts, powered by the very energy source he suggests shutting off, from a house or apartment, most likely climate controlled by same power source, with boundless other items powered by...wait for it...same power source.
:lmao:
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NeedleCast (1000+ posts) Fri Jun-04-10 02:54 PM
258. You simply fail to understand the difference between feel-good libralism
and things that can actually be done. You pat yourself on the back for being a "free thinker" without a pause to consider the disasterous situation an immediate and complete stop to oil drilling would cause. In a way, it's funny, as most of the people I've met with this sort of "free thinking" are probably the least capable of taking care of themselves in the brave, new world they think to bring about.
Yeah, feel-good liberalism does drive me crazy because it provides fodder for the right when they point at our side and say "look what those crazy liberals are suggesting now!"
Your "I'm just thinking outside the box" bull**** is just that, bull****. You have the same responses as the entire family of woo-woo "free thinkers" do, and that is to attempt to discredit attacks on your "idea" by claiming those doing so are not open to discussion when it is you who is barricade in your bunker, fingers firmly stuffed in your ears, going "I can't hear you, la-la-la!"
You're a hypocrit. It's that simple. You claim that you would not care if you we stopped drilling for oil but you continue to use it. You have a choice not to. You've made your choice, and that's to continue to be a user while looking down your nose at the rest of us.
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NeedleCast is not long for the DUmp world.
Sanity is not welcome there.
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NeedleCast might be a goner soon
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Actually too many leftists are making sense in that thread, moles run amok LOL.
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Actually too many leftists are making sense in that thread, moles run amok LOL.
no, its just that needlecast and his ilk are the type of posters i was when i posted at the dump. i never was a troll or a mole, i just questioned them and called them on their bullshit, always staying within the rules.
du tolerates that behavior for a while. in my case almost 3 years and over 3000 posts. but eventually, when every post gets an automatic alert just because it is a post by you, then you get "za'ed."
i suppose it didn't help that i never contributed one penny to that site.
and, truth be told, toward the end i was so bored and tired of their idiotic ideas that i pushed and pushed and pushed just to see just what it would take to get banned.
in the end, on a drunken evening, i was done in because a mod didn't like my op and deleted it. well i wasn't going to stand for that so i posted it again. and it was deleted. we did this 4 or 5 times and i was through.
c'est la vie.
(i suppose this post belongs in that other thread about moles...)
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No more plastic bags...
Bingo. Also no more plastic bottles or containers for food, no door gaskets for fridges, no plastic wrap or bags, tupperware, computer parts, insulation for wires, plastic parts for even the pissiest little electro-cars or hybrids, no plastic buckets or hoses to help with that stupid little hippie garden that must rival the Ever-Flowing Bowl of Celtic mythology for its bounty...
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When WZ Foster is called on his hypocrisy on not leading the life he preaches we should lead he says this:
William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Fri Jun-04-10 12:04 AM
177. here is why
Political solutions to social issues are a matter of public policy, not personal choice.
So basically he wants the Government to force us into leading a life free from oil instead of letting it be the individuals choice.
:lmao:
At one point he said he fertilizes his "farm" with turkey manure.
That would mean he would need an enormous number of birds and all of them penned or housed.
In turn they would need an equally enormous amount of feed which would probably be corn based...as always with DUmmies the stories don`t add up.
Lurking DUmmies...this is why socialism can`t ever work.
Lets look at his dream world of Utopian collectivism and see where it leads.
As has been pointed out many times already stopping the use of oil would end flights,truck transportation and rail.
Those are the means to get food and goods to the populous urban areas.
What now does one do to feed them?
There is no nice answer to that but the left has always had a solution...think Stalin and his gulags and the millions he killed.
Don`t need as much food anymore,problem solved.
Well sort of solved because you still have people a long ways from the areas of production and no way to efficiently move it.
Sorry those that enjoy living in the lights and entertainment of the city,you are just not going to be allowed that choice.
Workers on the farms are needed and under this situation no government would allow private ownership of property so your silly dream of the people owning the means of production is a joke.
The government will own everything.
Within no time look what you have...Soviet style communism with its butchery and complete loss of freedom.
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Within no time look what you have...Soviet style communism with its butchery and complete loss of freedom.
Neighbor, that's what they want--as long as they are the ones doing the butchery.
But, as has been pointed out here before, one needs to remind them just who owns the guns in our country.
If this is the way they get reminded, so be it. :hammer:
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Mao, Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot, Castro, etal. on taking power FIRST kill their competitive ALLIES in government, then the useful idiots. The DU fools cwpould be among the first to go, and they DON'T get it.
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Mao, Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot, Castro, etal. on taking power FIRST kill their competitive ALLIES in government, then the useful idiots. The DU fools cwpould be among the first to go, and they DON'T get it.
Situational awareness is not their long suit. I'm not sure any of them really have a long suit, actually.
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Roger, Tanker, roger that!