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Current Events => The DUmpster => The DUmping Ground => Topic started by: Carl on May 30, 2010, 07:05:25 PM
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Union Yes (1000+ posts) Sun May-30-10 10:45 AM
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Socialists- Stand tall. Be proud. Our ideology CANNOT be blamed.
Blame capitalism for the downfall of America.
Socialism didn't prevent BP from spending $500,000 on an emergency shut-off valve that could have totally prevented the Gulf oil gusher. Capitalist greed prevented BP from spending $500k.
Blame supply-side/Reaganomics/trickle-down/"free"market capitalism.
Socialism can't be blamed for the fall of banking in America. Lehman, Morgan Stanley, Bear Stearnes fell because of capitalist greed. They gambled with other peoples money-for profit, and lost everything.
Blame supply-side/Reaganomics/trickle-down/"free"market capitalism.
Socialism cannot be blamed for millions of Americans losing their retirement savings and 401k's in the greatest ponzi scheme ever created- the stock market. Capitalist greed pulled that one off all by itself. Proving the absolute need to protect Social Security and our social safety net. Boom and bust cycles make it nearly impossible to save for retirement.
Blame supply-side/Reaganomics/trickle-down/"free"market capitalism.
Socialism didn't create America's epic wealth divide. The wealthiest 10% of our population owns roughly 90% of all American wealth.
Blame supply-side/Reaganomics/trickledown/"free"market capitalism.
Socialism didn't declare war on unions and our right to organize labor unions. Capitalism did.
Capitalists fear our right to collective bargaining for a better quality of life.
Blame supply-side/Reaganomics/trickle-down/"free"market capitalism.
Socialism didn't engage in a full blown war to kill middle class living. To kill the middle class wage and drive millions into poverty. Is there still an American dream for the masses? Is there? Really?
Blame supply-side/Reaganomics/trickle-down/"free"market capitalism.
Socialism didn't drive America 13 TRILLION DOLLARS into debt. Socialism didn't turn the 2000 budget surpluses into deficits by 2002. "Free"Market Neocon Bush did that using Reagan-style tax cuts.
Blame supply-side/Reaganomics/trickle-down/"free"market capitalism.
Socialism didn't start the 2000's with a natl debt at $5.5 Trillion and run that debt up to $12 Trillion by the end of 2008.
Blame supply-side/Reaganomics/trickle-down/"free"market capitalism.
Socialism won't cut your Social Security.
Blame supply-side/Reaganomics/trickle-down/"free"market capitalism.
Socialism DID NOT drive America off a cliff in every way. Capitalism did.
Socialism hasn't adopted the policy of de-fund and destroy regarding our social safety net. Capitalism lives to de-fund and destroy social safety net programs.
As a Socialist-to-the-bone DU'er, I couldn't be prouder of my ideology.
Socialism didn't **** America up. Capitalism and capitalist greed pulled that one off, all by themselves.
Please, don't fear Socialism. Embrace it.
Socialism cannot be blamed for the "free" market capitalist-driven downfall of our nation.
It will require Socialism to bail this nation out.
That's why I stand tall. Proud to be a Socialist.
Lots of drivel but the fact is that any variety of socialism or it`s end communism has been a total and complete failure.
See Europe now.
Not to gimme gimme DUmmies though.
FarLeftFist (1000+ posts) Sun May-30-10 02:28 PM
Response to Reply #4
26. And lets not forget how Socialism saved Capitalism
Socialism is still waiting for Capitalism to pay it back. I'm more for a hybrid of the 2, Nationalize things of extreme importance to the future and prosperity of our country, why should we trust our country in private corporations hands. Everything else is fair game for Capitalism, with regulations for predatory industries. Protect the consumer and our citizens, and their new found sense of security will allow the economy to prosper.
You mean when FDR fed crumbs through 8 years of depression until WWII?
bobbolink (1000+ posts) Sun May-30-10 03:12 PM
Response to Reply #19
35. "A tuxuedoed pig (marked "Capitalist") eating at a trough marked "Government Bailouts" while trampli
while trampling an American Worker."
Damn.
That is BRILLIANT.
Can you enlist some talented Photoshoppers?
More, MORE!
And, please don't forget... some brilliant ones for us homeless folk!
And, thhose of us who can't work---don't forget us.
Thanks!
bobbo is homeless????????
I think more and more you are Skammers sock puppet.
On and on it goes with self pity,jealousy and envy.
Real sorry bunch of losers.
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Union Yes (1000+ posts) Sun May-30-10 02:45 PM
Original message
Socialists- Stand tall. Be proud. Our ideology CANNOT be blamed.
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FarLeftFist (1000+ posts) Sun May-30-10 06:28 PM
Response to Reply #4
26. And lets not forget how Socialism saved Capitalism
Socialism is still waiting for Capitalism to pay it back. I'm more for a hybrid of the 2, Nationalize things of extreme importance to the future and prosperity of our country, why should we trust our country in private corporations hands. Everything else is fair game for Capitalism, with regulations for predatory industries. Protect the consumer and our citizens, and their new found sense of security will allow the economy to prosper.
Union Yes (1000+ posts) Sun May-30-10 06:58 PM
Response to Reply #26
31. 30 years of borrowing from China to bail-out and prop up America.
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Oooohh! Don't forget meeeeeeeee!
bobbolink (1000+ posts) Sun May-30-10 07:12 PM
Response to Reply #19
35. "A tuxuedoed pig (marked "Capitalist") eating at a trough marked "Government Bailouts" while trampli
while trampling an American Worker."
Damn.
That is BRILLIANT.
Can you enlist some talented Photoshoppers?
More, MORE!
And, please don't forget... some brilliant ones for us homeless folk!
And, thhose of us who can't work---don't forget us.
Thanks!
socialist_n_TN (382 posts) Sun May-30-10 07:15 PM
Response to Reply #35
37. How about............
"Capitalist Heaven-Homeless workers and slave wages!"
bobbolink (1000+ posts) Sun May-30-10 07:19 PM
Response to Reply #37
40. That's a good one... also, as I said, need ones for those of us who are
too old, too sick, and too injured to work.
I'm really serious about this.... I am working on a program, and I think some of these ideas would be a big plus for getting across some of these ideas.
Keep at it, pleeeez..... we need LOTS!
And....(http://peoplesing.org/gathering/Smileys/classic/grannyty.gif)
bobbolink (1000+ posts) Sun May-30-10 07:54 PM
Response to Reply #42
46. Improve them? What an assumption!
One of my many talents that I don't have is doing bumperstickers, titles and signs!
That's why I am appreciating your contributions so much!
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TampaAnimus2010 (110 posts) Sun May-30-10 06:26 PM
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25. When did this become socialistunderground.com and when did American become a free market?
Also, if you want public ownership of the means of production, then your asking for public ownership of the mind. No thanks.
Gets interesting here, but too long to bring over.
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Where does the feed in the trough come from?
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can we question their patriotism NOW?
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:thatsright: I just posted this too.
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Yes, stand proud little Marxists. Were it up to you, there would be no oil spill in the gulf. There would be no oil period. We would be scraping lichen off rocks for food.
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can we question their patriotism NOW?
Can't question something that has never has been and will never be there.
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can we question their patriotism NOW?
I question their sanity.
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can we question their patriotism NOW?
The time is drawing near when we will have to spit on our hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.
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Yes, yes...please stand tall communist...you make a better target.
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Chernobyl?
And this: http://www1.american.edu/ted/komi.htm
Lots more out there too. Just willful ignorance.
But what DUmmies refuse to acknowledge is: BP can be sued into extinction...and probably should be. The remaining companies will pick up the slack but they will also pick-up lessons learned.
Had all oil production been nationalized there would be no ability to sue the government and the government would not learn any lessons because nobody can force them to do so. Any monetary damages and clean-up costs would be born, not by the company but by taxpayers.
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Chernobyl?
And this: http://www1.american.edu/ted/komi.htm
Lots more out there too. Just willful ignorance.
But what DUmmies refuse to acknowledge is: BP can be sued into extinction...and probably should be. The remaining companies will pick up the slack but they will also pick-up lessons learned.
Had all oil production been nationalized there would be no ability to sue the government and the government would not learn any lessons because nobody can force them to do so. Any monetary damages and clean-up costs would be born, not by the company but by taxpayers.
Very good points.
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If socialism is so perfect why is Greece going to hell while the citizens throw a collective temper tantrum because mommy and daddy government can't afford to pass out free ponies any more?
Cindie
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Well, here's a perfect little sample of a DUmmie:
Cleita (1000+ posts) Sun May-30-10 12:49 PM
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15. Count me in.
I say we ban money altogether. Then there would be no need for Banks or Wall Street. Goods and services should be gathered together in municipalities to be distributed communally according to need. Those who have excess should give that excess to other municipalities who have less. The Federal government would exist not only to coordinate those efforts but to keep diplomatic relationships with other countries and to maintain institutions that affect the common good. Everyone would have a job who is able to work and would receive in kind what their families need to survive on. Others, like the disabled, elderly and children would be cared for and given the goods and services that they need to survive especially education for the children's futures. We would conduct our actions looking to the seventh generation. In other words, we would go back to what Americans did before the Europeans arrived. We don't have to give up civilization and technology but we would need to stop looking at it as a way to make a profit and instead as a way to improve the quality of life for everyone.
And we need a new religion. We need to look upon our planet as a goddess who sustains us and whom we must respect by not destroying her and her creatures. That is for her alone to do when she needs to bring back balance into the system. We need to honor her with celebrations of the seasons to remind us about her. It's the only religion that we need.
What a stupid loon. Count me out, Clieta. Personally, I want to have a little more than just survival-level subsistence. Therefore, I'm willing to work for it.
I hate their communism threads. Makes me feel like we have traitors in the country.
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I'd love to see LA and NYC try to gather goods and services to feed themselves, that would be a hoot.
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Well, here's a perfect little sample of a DUmmie:
What a stupid loon. Count me out, Clieta. Personally, I want to have a little more than just survival-level subsistence. Therefore, I'm willing to work for it.
I hate their communism threads. Makes me feel likeknow without a doubt we have traitors in the country.
fixed
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Well, here's a perfect little sample of a DUmmie:
What a stupid loon. Count me out, Clieta. Personally, I want to have a little more than just survival-level subsistence. Therefore, I'm willing to work for it.
I hate their communism threads. Makes me feel like we have traitors in the country.
Cletus never fails to disappoint.
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Ironically, Socialist governments are notorious for trying to do incredibly dangerous or messy things on the cheap since nobody gives a rat's butt about consequences, witness Chernobyl, the pollution of Lake Baikal, the state of Balkan infrastructure at the Fall of the Wall, and the current danger from falling fiery objects in the Chinese equivalent of Baikonur/Cape Canaveral.
In fact you can get a pretty good idea of Socialist planning and execution from watching old 'Thunderbirds' episodes, where Future Britain seems to have all sorts of city-devastating disasters just waiting to be triggered by somebody getting lost and wandering into a small room where the violently-defective emergency self-destruct for a nuclear reactor has been mistakenly wired into the light switch.
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Ironically, Socialist governments are notorious for trying to do incredibly dangerous or messy things on the cheap since nobody gives a rat's butt about consequences, witness Chernobyl, the pollution of Lake Baikal, the state of Balkan infrastructure at the Fall of the Wall, and the current danger from falling fiery objects in the Chinese equivalent of Baikonur/Cape Canaveral.
In fact you can get a pretty good idea of Socialist planning and execution from watching old 'Thunderbirds' episodes, where Future Britain seems to have all sorts of city-devastating disasters just waiting to be triggered by somebody getting lost and wandering into a small room where the violently-defective emergency self-destruct for a nuclear reactor has been mistakenly wired into the light switch.
The evaporation of the Aral Sea could be added to the list, too.
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I'd love to see LA and NYC try to gather goods and services to feed themselves, that would be a hoot.
Yep! Bummer's Brown Shirts, with the SS insig on their sleeve, could supervise! We could then just build a high voltage fence around the steaming piles of decayed flesh and go about rebuilding our country!
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Cleita
Goods and services should be gathered together in municipalities to be distributed communally according to need. Those who have excess should give that excess to other municipalities who have less. The Federal government would exist not only to coordinate those efforts but to keep diplomatic relationships with other countries and to maintain institutions that affect the common good. Everyone would have a job who is able to work and would receive in kind what their families need to survive on. Others, like the disabled, elderly and children would be cared for and given the goods and services that they need to survive especially education for the children's futures. We would conduct our actions looking to the seventh generation. In other words, we would go back to what Americans did before the Europeans arrived. We don't have to give up civilization and technology but we would need to stop looking at it as a way to make a profit and instead as a way to improve the quality of life for everyone.
And we need a new religion. We need to look upon our planet as a goddess who sustains us and whom we must respect by not destroying her and her creatures. That is for her alone to do when she needs to bring back balance into the system. We need to honor her with celebrations of the seasons to remind us about her. It's the only religion that we need.
Try and explain to them how this would never work and they can't understand it, so they reject and continue in their utopian dream. All one has to do is point out how nasty the primitives are towards those who disagree with them and a reasonable person would automatically translate that knowledge into understanding exactly why this stupidity Cleita spewed would fail in short order.
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Try and explain to them how this would never work and they can't understand it, so they reject and continue in their utopian dream. All one has to do is point out how nasty the primitives are towards those who disagree with them and a reasonable person would automatically translate that knowledge into understanding exactly why this stupidity Cleita spewed would fail in short order.
I would've hoped more people would've challenged the fool, are they afraid of the Socialists over at DU?
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Ironically, Socialist governments are notorious for trying to do incredibly dangerous or messy things on the cheap since nobody gives a rat's butt about consequences, witness Chernobyl, the pollution of Lake Baikal, the state of Balkan infrastructure at the Fall of the Wall, and the current danger from falling fiery objects in the Chinese equivalent of Baikonur/Cape Canaveral.
In fact you can get a pretty good idea of Socialist planning and execution from watching old 'Thunderbirds' episodes, where Future Britain seems to have all sorts of city-devastating disasters just waiting to be triggered by somebody getting lost and wandering into a small room where the violently-defective emergency self-destruct for a nuclear reactor has been mistakenly wired into the light switch.
H5 for the TB reference. DUmmies Funnies had a picture of Brains today. I some sort of revival afoot?
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History is rife with examples of the failures of Socialism. Your just to stupid to learn it DUmmies
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History is rife with examples of the failures of Socialism. Your just to stupid to learn it DUmmies
But... but it just hasn't been tried by the right people yet!
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Socialism didn't start the 2000's with a natl debt at $5.5 Trillion and run that debt up to $12 Trillion by the end of 2008.
No...socialism multiplied the debt x4 after the Bush Administration though.
Jackass.
History is rife with examples of the failures of Socialism. Your just to stupid to learn it DUmmies
Exactly, and this very day, our administration is shaping what history is going to look like. At least....what I'm going to teach my kid(s) if I ever have any. If things keep spiraling, people should start thinking about homeschooling. :nod:
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H5 for the TB reference. DUmmies Funnies had a picture of Brains today. I some sort of revival afoot?
Not that I know of, but they are part of our cultural zeitgeist, with references popping up from time to time in all sorts of obscure places. G4 or possibly Cartoon Network on cable ran the episodes a couple of years ago. With so many old cult shows and films coming out on DVD, maybe there is a bit of a revival going on.
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Not that I know of, but they are part of our cultural zeitgeist, with references popping up from time to time in all sorts of obscure places. G4 or possibly Cartoon Network on cable ran the episodes a couple of years ago. With so many old cult shows and films coming out on DVD, maybe there is a bit of a revival going on.
I wish they'd run Cowboy BeBop in order from one to..........in a row! Never have seen them all! The damn thing is a classic!
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I'd like to see a channel run pilot episodes of shows that never aired. heh
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Cleita
Goods and services should be gathered together in municipalities to be distributed communally according to need. Those who have excess should give that excess to other municipalities who have less. The Federal government would exist not only to coordinate those efforts but to keep diplomatic relationships with other countries and to maintain institutions that affect the common good. Everyone would have a job who is able to work and would receive in kind what their families need to survive on. Others, like the disabled, elderly and children would be cared for and given the goods and services that they need to survive especially education for the children's futures. We would conduct our actions looking to the seventh generation. In other words, we would go back to what Americans did before the Europeans arrived. We don't have to give up civilization and technology but we would need to stop looking at it as a way to make a profit and instead as a way to improve the quality of life for everyone.
And we need a new religion. We need to look upon our planet as a goddess who sustains us and whom we must respect by not destroying her and her creatures. That is for her alone to do when she needs to bring back balance into the system. We need to honor her with celebrations of the seasons to remind us about her. It's the only religion that we need.
We really need a MOLE icon....but for now this will do... :kumbaya: