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Current Events => Breaking News => Topic started by: thundley4 on May 24, 2010, 03:48:48 PM
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(http://media.npr.org/assets/news/2010/05/24/lee.jpg?t=1274730943&s=2)
South Korean President Lee Myung-bak
"Since an international investigation blamed North Korea for sinking a South Korean warship, tensions between the two Koreas are being felt throughout East Asia. The Pentagon announced Monday joint anti-submarine exercises with South Korea. Japan has cited the tensions as a reason for closer military cooperation with the U.S.
South Korea's President Lee Myung-bak gave a stern speech Monday at a war memorial in central Seoul. He said that his country would exercise its right to self-defense if its territory were violated by military force. He also pledged to bring North Korea before the U.N. Security Council and he suspended most trade between the two Koreas.
In Beijing, U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton praised Lee's actions and agreed with South Korea's conclusion that the North had torpedoed the South Korean warship Cheonan, killing 46 sailors in March.
"The United States fully supports President Lee's responsible handling of the Cheonan incident, and the objective investigation that followed, which we and other international observers joined. The measures that President Lee announced in his speech are both prudent and entirely appropriate," Clinton said." NPR (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=127095902&ft=1&f=1001)
A joint military exercise? I'm sure this will go over well with the little tyrant.
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On the one hand, I'm scared to death that this could escalate. I hate to see any American lives, or lives of our real allies, destroyed.
OTOH this petty tyrant in Pyonyang is ten times worse than Saddam Hussein IMO and his country would be better off with democracy.
What to do? Damn if I know. I don't make enough money for these decisions. I do know that the worst president ever is in charge. :bawl: :bawl: :bawl:
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The little creep is going to regard any semi-successful attempt to diplomatically sanction his pirate regime in exactly the same light as a direct military reprisal, hope the Big Zero and Princess Hillary realize that.
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Also, how much you wanna bet that the NoKos fire a Nodong-whatever at Alaska or Seattle?
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Hopefully China would do little more than seize those nuke research centers in far north North Korea.
The real problem is that the South cannot really afford to absorb the north right now.
Could you imagine being in charge of opening all those political prisons?
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The little creep is going to regard any semi-successful attempt to diplomatically sanction his pirate regime in exactly the same light as a direct military reprisal, hope the Big Zero and Princess Hillary realize that.
Time for a litle nip in the air regarding NK. And by that I mean let the Japanese deal with this. It is right in the neighborhood so to speak. Let them carry the ball and see how little Kim likes that.
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Also, how much you wanna bet that the NoKos fire a Nodong-whatever at Alaska or Seattle?
More likely Alaska, aimed at the Pipeline, I don't know if they can truly reach the coast or not. Maybe Hawaii?
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More likely Alaska, aimed at the Pipeline, I don't know if they can truly reach the coast or not. Maybe Hawaii?
They might have a chance of hitting Alaska, the pipeline itself would be pure luck. Hawaii? I just don't think their tech is up to hitting an island any farther away than Japan.
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They might have a chance of hitting Alaska, the pipeline itself would be pure luck. Hawaii? I just don't think their tech is up to hitting an island any farther away than Japan.
Maybe they'll use one of those little subs like they used to attack the oil rig. :uhsure:
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They might have a chance of hitting Alaska, the pipeline itself would be pure luck. Hawaii? I just don't think their tech is up to hitting an island any farther away than Japan.
Exactly why I figure the Japanese will be most interested in taking a leadership role in this. They need to get off the Uncle's protection teat and fend for themselves.
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Maybe they'll use one of those little subs like they used to attack the oil rig. :uhsure:
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You are evil. I like that!
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On the one hand, I'm scared to death that this could escalate. I hate to see any American lives, or lives of our real allies, destroyed.
OTOH this petty tyrant in Pyonyang is ten times worse than Saddam Hussein IMO and his country would be better off with democracy.
What to do? Damn if I know. I don't make enough money for these decisions. I do know that the worst president ever is in charge. :bawl: :bawl: :bawl:
Kim Jong-Il is ****ing crazy.
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You are evil. I like that!
They tried that before. They tried to drop off 26 spies or something and the sub got stuck, the spies tried to make it to the North but were hunted down because they were killing people, stealing clothes etc.
THAT submarine is on display near where it got stuck.
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It was 1996...
http://rokdrop.com/2009/01/14/nk-spy-submarine-incident-in-gangneung/
timeline: http://timelines.com/1996/9/18/north-korean-submarine-lands-near-gangneung-sparking-deadly-49-day-manhunt
(http://rokdrop.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/sub-9.jpg)
Along the East Sea highway just south of Gangneung a traveler will see a very peculiar sight of a small submarine on display along the sea shore adjacent to the highway. Upon closer inspection the submarine actually serves as a current reminder of the threat the North Koreans still pose to South Korea.
The submarine is a specially configured North Korean spy submarine that began its final voyage to spy on South Korea at 5PM on September 14, 1996 with a crew of 11 and 15 operatives. The sub arrived on the South Korean coast south of Gangneung on September 15th and infiltrated three spies through the nearby rocky coast that is attached to the nearby forested mountains which provided great cover for the spies. The three spies’ mission was to gain information about a ROK Air Force base near the coast. However, it has been speculated that wasn’t their only mission:
One of the puzzles remains what the submarine’s mission was. Of the 26 infiltrators, only 1 was captured alive, and he apparently did not know the mission. General Park said the purpose may have been to set up an armed hideout in the mountains, in preparation for future terrorism.
â€It was not purely an intelligence mission,†he said. [New York Times]
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They tried that before. They tried to drop off 26 spies or something and the sub got stuck, the spies tried to make it to the North but were hunted down because they were killing people, stealing clothes etc.
THAT submarine is on display near where it got stuck.
thundley4 was being a bit tongue-in-cheek there. The sub that got stranded was a short-range, shallow-diving vehicle basically designed for stealth operations like infiltrating spies or assassins along the coast of the Korean peninsula, with a very low radar and sonar signature, not for sea-keeping capabilities or diving much below snorkeling depth. Crossing a few thousand miles of blue water in one undetected would be so technically challenging that it would go down in naval history.
He was really making an oblique reference to the wack-job CT story about a North Korean attack on the BP oil rig. Dead in the stranding incident were the entire crew of the sub, killed by their own officers to prevent them blowing the story on whatever it was really up to. Not really known whether any insertion of agents was successful or not, presumably they'd be prepared by training and mission prep to vaporize and head for a safe house, and without taking any of the crew alive for interrogation, it's not truly known if that occurred. The ROKs really know what they caught and what they found, not what the plan, mission, or load actually was.
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I realize that. I just couldn't resist bringing this up.
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Ah, sorry, your reply was so straight I wasn't sure. Thanks for the link, I had forgotten there was another incident later, with one of those bad boys caught in a fishing net.
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They might have a chance of hitting Alaska, the pipeline itself would be pure luck. Hawaii? I just don't think their tech is up to hitting an island any farther away than Japan.
They could still cause significant American casualties in Japan though. I was at Misawa in 98 when they launched a missile that flew directly over the base.
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Ah, sorry, your reply was so straight I wasn't sure. Thanks for the link, I had forgotten there was another incident later, with one of those bad boys caught in a fishing net.
really??
lol!
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They could still cause significant American casualties in Japan though. I was at Misawa in 98 when they launched a missile that flew directly over the base.
I wasn't really talking about them being able to hit anything specific on the island, just meaning that they could probably at least hit one of the home Home Islands. What gets hit on the island is a lot more random, more or less like a Scud strike - "What goes up, must come down...somewhere in about a 10 degree fan downrange."
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If there was a war in Korea, millions would die. It would leave the Korean peninsula and Japan a mess. The war would not be long, but very bloody.