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Current Events => Breaking News => News From The Mexican Border => Topic started by: Chris_ on May 21, 2010, 01:16:59 PM
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DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano said ICE is not obligated to process illegal immigrants referred to them by Arizona authorities.
"ICE has the legal discretion to accept or not to accept persons delivered to it by non-federal personnel," Napolitano said. "It also has the discretion to deport or not to deport persons delivered to it by any government agents, even its own."
John Morton, assistant secretary of homeland security for U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement reportedly said his agency will not necessarily process illegal immigrants referred to them by Arizona authorities.
The best way to reduce illegal immigration is through a comprehensive federal approach, he said, and not a patchwork of state laws.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/05/21/official-says-feds-process-illegals-referred-arizona/
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I stand by my earlier statement to my liberal Facebook "friends" that the government is NOT doing its job vis-a-vis immigration enforcement.
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AZ should stop collecting the federal gasoline tax and stuff like that
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I see from this story that Big Sis still hasn't read SB 1070.
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My grand dad said the best way to get out of a hole is to stop digging. Why do the people of this Administration continue to act as if they are Lords and Masters over the rest of the American people?
A day of reckoning is coming......and hell's coming with him
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynKoZD-sFi4
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Isn't it so nice to know how our Homeland Defence secretary feel about actually defending the homeland? She's like a little pissy kid taking their ball and going home. Childish little sh*t!
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If she and ICE are not obligated to do their job, then we shouldn't be obligated to pay them.
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Hi,
Looks like BO, through Napolitano, has decided to selectively enforce federal immigration laws. What an idiot! Read today where 80% of the population is in favor of the AZ law at present. Since when does the federal government have the right to selectively enforce laws? If that, in fact, becomes policy then it is time to start impeachement proceedings for "dereliction of duty" as he is failing to enforce the Constitution of the United States. He continues on this track and he may cause a showdown for the democrats who are governing against the will of a whole lot of people.
regards,
5412
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oh please, please, please obama... please do this (not enforce the laws of america to pander to this small group of potential voters.)
come november, the rest of america, the people who actually get people elected will then vote in a congress that will FORCE you to uphold the law.
america is pissed, you jug-eared idiot.
america will be heard...
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SK, just let the Regime keep this shit up. November is gonna hurt like a bitch.
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Not a problem.
Arizona can process and deport :jerkit: all by themselves. They can bus them to DC and drop them off there.
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The State Senator who wrote the AZ law is now working on a law to deny automatic citizenship to the children of illegals.
Birth certificates are issued by the states aren't they? heheheh
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The State Senator who wrote the AZ law is now working on a law to deny automatic citizenship to the children of illegals.
Birth certificates are issued by the states aren't they? heheheh
I don't see that it will work.
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I don't see that it will work.
If the feds can say they won't do their job, why should the state do its job?
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http://www.kpho.com/news/23623047/detail.html
Here is that artice!
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I don't see that it will work.
Hi,
I do not give a damn if it will work or not. All this is doing is educating the American people and leading AZ toward secession which will really change the entire situation as many other states will follow. Let BO try to sell the public on going to war to preserve the union.
regards,
5412
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This whole thing seems even too idiotic for Obama, I think it's a distraction. What is his other hand doing?
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Hi,
I do not give a damn if it will work or not. All this is doing is educating the American people and leading AZ toward secession which will really change the entire situation as many other states will follow. Let BO try to sell the public on going to war to preserve the union.
regards,
5412
The reason I don't think this anchor baby law would work is that it is in direct conflict with federal law. I'm pretty sure that the fed has the right to determine who is a citizen. I do agree that Obama is trying to create conditions favorable to race riots.
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This whole thing seems even too idiotic for Obama, I think it's a distraction. What is his other hand doing?
Cap and Tax is moving forward.
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The State Senator who wrote the AZ law is now working on a law to deny automatic citizenship to the children of illegals.
Birth certificates are issued by the states aren't they? heheheh
That would clearly violate the 14th amendment and be immediately struck down by the courts.
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This is just too stupid for words.
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That would clearly violate the 14th amendment and be immediately struck down by the courts.
Or it would be an interesting test case for eliminating the "anchor baby" problem altogether. Several constitutional scholars and court-o-philes have said that the use of the 14th to grant citizenship to anyone born on US soil, regardless of the citizenship status of the parents is a tenuous stretch of the amendment at best. There are rumors that 'certain courts' presently out of "favor" with the current regime have been looking forward to a test case on this subject for some time.
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It would take slightly rewriting the 14th Amendment to make that work. 'All persons born in the United States, where at least one parent is born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof ...'
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The State Senator who wrote the AZ law is now working on a law to deny automatic citizenship to the children of illegals.
Birth certificates are issued by the states aren't they? heheheh
Won't work. Citizenship and the determination of such IS in fact expressly granted to the federal government in the Constitution. About the only way that's going to change is if the SCOTUS reinterprets the 14th Amendment (fat chance of that) or a constitutional amendment is passed denying anchor babies automatic citizenship (even slimmer chance of that.)
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If the feds can say they won't do their job, why should the state do its job?
Frankly, this is nothing new. You could call ICE (or INS back in the day) and TELL them EXACTLY where illegals were at, and the usual response would be either, "So?" or, "We're too busy." Happened all the time back in CA. Their basic attitude was, once they get past the border, it's not their problem anymore.
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This whole thing seems even too idiotic for Obama, I think it's a distraction. What is his other hand doing?
The financial bill going through the Senate, as well as the debate on the Cap and Tax bill.
Don't worry--some of us are paying attention.
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Isn't it so nice to know how our Homeland Defence secretary feel about actually defending the homeland? She's like a little pissy kid taking their ball and going home. Childish little sh*t!
That's why 'she' shut down the virtual border fence. It worked too good. Can't be having that. Boeing doesn't know radar? Boeing used the wrong software and components? :bs: Not buying it.
Texas has video cameras on the border and they work just fine. You can volunteer to watch the border and report to the BP.
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The financial bill going through the Senate, as well as the debate on the Cap and Tax bill.
Don't worry--some of us are paying attention.
And here I thought he just had his hand down his pants front pocket diddling, er, fiddling, while America burns down. But maybe that extra hand is instead throwing fuel on an already blazing fire.
Whatever he and his minions are doing, it's contrary to America's best interests. :hammer:
Believe it or not, this is a NICE post compared to what I'd like to get off my chest.
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Cabinet members can be impeached, and if a majority of conservatives/libertarians are swept into office in November on a wave of anti-liberal sentiment, the iron may be hot enough to strike at someone who has abrogated their duty to protect this country.
Just sayin', Janet.
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getting back on topic...
"ICE has the legal discretion to accept or not to accept persons delivered to it by non-federal personnel,"
this is actually a pretty interesting stance. obama has ordered his minions not to comply with federal law, not to play ball with arizona. if arizona finds an illegal, ICE will refuse to deal with the matter.
carry that forward to the next logical step.
arizona could then attempt to deport the illegals itself, but what if mexico would reject the deportation? stop the truckfulls of illegals arizona is attempting to return to their rightful country.
obama and mexico are clearly in cahoots about not wanting to do anything about illegal aliens. the us government and the mexican government clearly want open borders.
so if either federal government will not abide by the standing laws on both sides of their border, and are going to try to strong-arm the arizona state government to end its quest to restore the order of law to this situation?
hummm...
what to do?
i guess "by the people for the people" loses in this case where this government and that government collude to force their will upon us all. right?
ummm... no... i don't think so...
obama? calderon? you picked the wrong issue to mess with the states about rights. you may have your reasons (all political bullshit and future votes and whatnot) but you poked the wrong hive at the wrong time and you are clearly going to lose on this one.
i guess this just proves you should never elect a guy with 15 months political experience, no matter what his skin tone or ability to read a teleprompter, to the office of president of the united states. that office carries some responsibility, son, and you have clearly failed. this happens every 30 years or so. 40. remember carter?
fortunately, the health care nonsense doesn't take effect until after 2012. this immigration nonsense can start to be addressed in november. it will all be ok.
having a democratic leadership is like being a young, drunk and stupid college student taking a hit off the big bong. it all seems so simple. until you wake up the next day and it is not.
november will start to fix things...
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Good post sofa king...and you are correct...the grown-ups will be in charge soon.....As long as we're able to keep RINO's out...we can right this ship.
I am optimistic and believe we will prevail.
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Not a problem.
Arizona can process and deport :jerkit: all by themselves. They can bus them to DC and drop them off there.
Actually the mayor of Phoenix has said he doesn't think the law should be followed. Hell, just send him the dregs of the Mexican Border. I'll bet MS-13 would love to have a home base!
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Good post sofa king...and you are correct...the grown-ups will be in charge soon.....As long as we're able to keep RINO's out...we can right this ship.
I am optimistic and believe we will prevail.
Unfortunately, main stream conservatives believe their relatives and neighbors are voting so they won't have to get off the couch. What we need is to motivate those who never vote!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Actually the mayor of Phoenix has said he doesn't think the law should be followed. Hell, just send him the dregs of the Mexican Border. I'll bet MS-13 would love to have a home base!
So basically, the mayor of Phoenix is okay with being the kidnapping capitol of America. Something tells me he's not going to have an easy time at reelection.
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So basically, the mayor of Phoenix is okay with being the kidnapping capitol of America. Something tells me he's not going to have an easy time at reelection.
As long as he doesn't upset the ACLU...LULAC...MeCHA and La Raza he'd let them make their drug deals from his office phone.
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Do you know, soon there is going to be an excellent case for compelling state interest to eject over the Mexican border--or indefinitely detain--illegals just on the basis of their illegal status. It'll cost, but if the federal executive branch flatly refuses to accept custody of illegals identified as such then states should detain them, and lets hear what the USSC has to say. Precedent will be on the states' side. as well as just about a compelling a state interest as you could have.
:popcorn:
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Do you know, soon there is going to be an excellent case for compelling state interest to eject over the Mexican border--or indefinitely detain--illegals just on the basis of their illegal status. It'll cost, but if the federal executive branch flatly refuses to accept custody of illegals identified as such then states should detain them, and lets hear what the USSC has to say. Precedent will be on the states' side. as well as just about a compelling a state interest as you could have.
:popcorn:
Arizona should just send them all to Maricopa County and let Sheriff Joe hold them until the feds are willing to do their job and take the illegals into custody. OTOH, maybe AZ can set up a detention in the middle of the desert and provide the illegals with the bare minimum for survival.
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Unfortunately, main stream conservatives believe their relatives and neighbors are voting so they won't have to get off the couch. What we need is to motivate those who never vote!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Al, just about every poll shows killer intensity among conservatives and even Republicans generally, and unusual intensity among self-described independents. November will be a Dem blood bath. I've got 5 people who never voted before voting. I was the one who ensured that they register, but they didn't need much coaxing, just a little push. And they're all pretty much politically unaware, but they know they're anti-Obama now, even if they can't explain why too well, although I'll have to report (sadly) it's mainly just about jobs. We're agreed to go together in Nov. So we have new voters coming our way.
Won't do much good except maybe at the state level here in NY--Kirsten Gillibrand is going to win, alas. No real top-tier candidate came forward to challenge her. But in other states--must be many doing as I'm doing, and in other states the elections will matter. In '08 Obama picked up many new voters. Now the good guys are going to.
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without notice, load them on buses, drive them to San Fran, let Nancy sort them out. imagine the outrage.....
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without notice, load them on buses, drive them to San Fran, let Nancy sort them out. imagine the outrage.....
That would work for about a week until the illegals figure it out...."Hey fellows, I hear we can get a free ride to_____________ if we get arrested in ___________."
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hmmmmmmmmmmmm...........charter buses, then, and offer one way free rides to CA FOR ANYONE WHO WANTS TO GO. Make the message, tho, in Spanish only. Go far enopugh north so the ICE guys are not close to pull you over. Have every third bus go to Chicago IL..
Offer free homstead land to persons who want to go to AZ on the return trip, signs in English only, give vouchers to the surplus who need to reorganize and move their businesses and famlies.....give the indigent, get the productive......just do it, no "jibber Jabber" first.
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So Janet "The system worked" neapolitan ice cream is point blankly admitting that they will pick and choose when they follow the federal laws. She needs to become part of the 9.7% over this.
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So Janet "The system worked" neapolitan ice cream is point blankly admitting that they will pick and choose when they follow the federal laws. She needs to become part of the 9.7% over this.
It's officially 9.9% and I get your point.
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these guys are a-holes. I don't care who the F@#$ delivers the illegal to you, DO YOUR DANG JOB AND SEND THEM BACK. Man it's just infuriating to listen to these lifetime politicians and government workers talk down to us and play their games. They don't want to send Obama voters back to where they belong, and that's just the skinny of it.
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Seems like every week there's new material for TV ads for this fall and 2012.
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Seems like every week there's new material for TV ads for this fall and 2012.
Unfortunately it's unlikely to be used unless some independent group does it. The GOP hasn't shown the balls to take the Dems on in that fashion.