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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: crockspot on May 18, 2010, 09:31:05 AM
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8358326
This is choice material. She starts in at post number 4 and just digs her grave deeper and deeper. To their credit, several DUmmies are appalled.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue May-18-10 08:43 AM
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2. Sounds like he said "in" when he should have said "during"
But of course since he's a Democrat this is a most grievous error.
proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue May-18-10 08:45 AM
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4. My DH served during the Vietnam War but never went to Vietnam
and often says "in Vietnam" when referring to his time in the army.
This is silly, IMO.
proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue May-18-10 08:50 AM
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13. All I see is using the word "in" instead of "during"
As I said, my DH often does the same thing. I haven't followed this issue and never even heard of this guy before this morning. But yes, I think this is silly. And I wonder if he was a Republican if this would be getting any play at all.
proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue May-18-10 08:57 AM
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22. Dear Husband
Edited on Tue May-18-10 08:58 AM by proud2BlibKansan
And he's not lying. Many vets refer to serving in a war when they were stateside during the war.
proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue May-18-10 09:13 AM
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33. And I have heard different
Maybe it's a regional thing. Like Arkansaw or ArKANsas. :)
proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue May-18-10 09:01 AM
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23. But they all served
That's the point. If you were lucky enough to get into the Guard, you didn't have to go to Nam. But I don't quibble when a veteran says he served "in" a war. Like I said, my DH stayed here in the states but his service was important to the army and important to the soldiers who were actually in Vietnam. So if he says he served "in" Vietnam, he is not being dishonest.
proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue May-18-10 09:10 AM
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29. My DH is most definitely considered a Vietnam veteran
He was in intelligence so you can argue that his work here in the US likely saved a few American soldiers' lives in that war.
Not all soldiers are in the war zone. They don't have to be there to be commended for their service.
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47. Well my DH isn't running for office so . . .
Just when you thought you couldn't have any less respect for her, she plumbs the depths.
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Just when you thought you couldn't have any less respect for her, she plumbs the depths.
I was quite surprised to see her getting her ass served to her in that thread.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue May-18-10 09:10 AM
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29. My DH is most definitely considered a Vietnam veteran
He was in intelligence so you can argue that his work here in the US likely saved a few American soldiers' lives in that war.
Not all soldiers are in the war zone. They don't have to be there to be commended for their service.
She's right to a degree. I'm considered "deployed in place" at my current assignment. Over the last year I've breifed at least 1,000 missions flying in and out of OIF/OEF. Even though I'm in Illinois, I'm directly supporting the war effort.
Now whether or not her husband actually did anything to aid the effort in Vietnam, I can't say. The military was a lot differant back then, and I don't know how they broke their stuff down.
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Gee, Anne, makes you wonder what else he lies about, doesn't it? Probably not, since you think it's ok to lie if you're a "D" or not running for office. :loser:
No one says "I was IN Vietnam" unless they want you to believe they were actually IN Vietnam. How many horrible war stories has he spewed at Camp Casey?
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I am, however barely, classified as a Viet Nam ERA vet, and not being Tom Harkin or some other variation of Democrat liar (Redundant as that may be), it would never occur to me to claim to be a Viet Nam vet, nor ever, EVER use the phrase 'In Viet Nam' in talking about myself. I've been on active duty and played a supporting role in quite a number of conflicts and their named operations since, but the only one where I was actually in theater and collecting combat pay was OIF, that is the only one for which I actually claim to be a war vet, and that's the way everyone else I know looks at it as well.
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Some consider me an Iraq war vet because I deployed to the Persian Gulf. We were sending birds into theater but I was on the ship. I have both GWOT campaign ribbons but my role was support not combat. I will never compare myself to those who were on the ground.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue May-18-10 09:01 AM
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23. But they all served
That's the point. If you were lucky enough to get into the Guard, you didn't have to go to Nam...
This is the kind of bullshit they use to justify their hatred of Bush. No basis in fact they just wanted to use it as a rhetorical cudgel to exalt 3-band-aids-and-I'm-out over Bush.
Of course they threw that one out as soon as Obama started lying to their stupid faces but now this scrunt wants to use it to claim absolute moral authority for her husband so he can be used to apologize for a democrat liar.
Their morals are, if nothing else, convenient.
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She's right to a degree. I'm considered "deployed in place" at my current assignment. Over the last year I've breifed at least 1,000 missions flying in and out of OIF/OEF. Even though I'm in Illinois, I'm directly supporting the war effort.
Now whether or not her husband actually did anything to aid the effort in Vietnam, I can't say. The military was a lot differant back then, and I don't know how they broke their stuff down.
Still won't get you a membership in the VFW. Legion, you're GTG.
Our local moonbat Congresscritter likes to pimp her "Vietnam-era" (de-emphasizing the "era" part) to give the mistaken impression she's BTDT like all the other Army wives. Truth is, her hubby spent TWO years at Fitzsimmons AMC in Colorado, never deployed, and never went TAD. If either one of them (Che-Porter and hubby) ever claimed he was a Vietnam vet, there are more than a few REAL VN vets around here who would play speedbag with his nuts and throw her to the wolves.
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I am, however barely, classified as a Viet Nam ERA vet, and not being Tom Harkin or some other variation of Democrat liar (Redundant as that may be), it would never occur to me to claim to be a Viet Nam vet, nor ever, EVER use the phrase 'In Viet Nam' in talking about myself. I've been on active duty and played a supporting role in quite a number of conflicts and their named operations since, but the only one where I was actually in theater and collecting combat pay was OIF, that is the only one for which I actually claim to be a war vet, and that's the way everyone else I know looks at it as well.
Concur--I was on AD during Desert Storm, but I have never, will never, refer to myself as an Desert Shield/Desert Storm vet. I wasn't in the sandbox, therefore I don't get to make the claim.
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If her husband knew what she was spewing he'd be mortified...right before he knocked her out. The woman is the poster child for why God didn't make women the head of the family...sheesh.
Cindie
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God didn't make women the head of the family...sheesh.
Cindie
Um, I didn't get that memo.
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That's one of the worst spins I've ever seen attempted, and coming from the babblingsister primitive it doesn't surprise me. That Blumenthal character made it quite clear he wanted his resume to read that he served in Vietnam and that he personally commanded Rambo and Forest Gump. The primitives need to do a better job of picking which circumstances warrent inventing the lies they want to tell.
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Concur--I was on AD during Desert Storm, but I have never, will never, refer to myself as an Desert Shield/Desert Storm vet. I wasn't in the sandbox, therefore I don't get to make the claim.
Here's one for you--I had a discussion with the NYS Dept of Civil Service back quite a few years ago, who pointed out that because my ETS date was after the Desert Storm hostilities started, I was entitled to get vets' credits on any one Civil Service test I took for NYS. I told them that I had problems with that, as I was on terminal leave then. They told me that it didn't matter. I eventually took the credits, but to get out of the lab, where I was up against the ceiling for those without graduate-level degrees. Still mystifies me as to why NYS ruled that way.
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So if during the Vietnam "era", since it was draftees doing the fighting in country, that makes them vets? Don't exactly know what I'm trying to say so don't jump on me with both feet, k? Trying to understand the difference between enlisted, draftees and guardsmen in that war. Seems to me that if you enlisted in guard duty you were pretty much assuring that you wouldn't see combat making you "support" and not neccessarily out of it by today's standards. Unless of course there were some deferments in there somewhere as in the case of this politician...and Clinton.
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So if during the Vietnam "era", since it was draftees doing the fighting in country, that makes them vets? Don't exactly know what I'm trying to say so don't jump on me with both feet, k? Trying to understand the difference between enlisted, draftees and guardsmen in that war. Seems to me that if you enlisted in guard duty you were pretty much assuring that you wouldn't see combat making you "support" and not neccessarily out of it by today's standards. Unless of course there were some deferments in there somewhere as in the case of this politician...and Clinton.
A Vietnam vet served in Vietnam, a Vietnam era vet was in the military, but never served in Vietnam. IMO
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I've been told that I qualify as a Viet Nam ERA vet, but I claim NO association with it. (I still question that, but whatever) :clueless: I DO claim association with Desert Shield/ Storm because I was there, dodging underwater mines and scuds. (WE didn't dodge one mine quite so well) I was in direct support of the Grenada mission, but I wasn't there, either. Liars are just that, liars.
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I'm listed in my V.A. records as a "Vietnam Era" veteran even though I didn't enlist until August of 1975. I wouldn't dream of calling myself a Vietnam vet or say I was "in Vietnam". That would be ridiculous.
proud2BlibKansan's husband is a scumbag liar just like she is.
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I would never claim that I had been in Desert Storm. I still feel uncomfortable saying I was a Desert Storm-era vet. That's why I went to NYS DCS and aksed them about it, after they told me that I could do that.
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I DO claim association with Desert Shield/ Storm because I was there, dodging underwater mines and scuds. (WE didn't dodge one mine quite so well)
That sounds like it was a really bad day at the ol' office.
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So, to recap --
GW Bush in TANG, not serving directly overseas = Chickenhawk
R. Cheney had five deferments and never served = Chickenhawk
A.G. Blumenthal in National Guard after getting five Deferments and never saw combat - and AFAIK, never left the United States = Vietnam war hero.
Sounds like liberalspeak to me....
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dandi, I enlisted Feb 75 and went on active duty in July.
DAT, yes, it was. One mine detonated with three more underneath that didn't. The minesweeping boats earned their pay that day.
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As has been said on more than one occasion, "When in doubt, whip it out" (the DD214 that is).
It will end all speculation.
In Block 22 of mine it states in Block C, Foreign and or Sea Service, 01 09 00. In Block 16 C DOE (on active duty) was 26 FEB 71
To this day I thank God and my Uncle Sam for that time I spent in Puerto Rico. On the day I shipped more than half the guys on the day list with me at Newport were not so lucky. A few ended up going to Nam, others on that day list to the Cruiser Little Rock (AKA The Acid Rock but that is another story). I was the only Preferred Oversea Tour Shore Duty on the list. :drunksailor:
FWIW It was not unusual to hear cries of "Yankee Go Home" at night from the local commies, a mostly harmless bunch if you didn't wander into the wrong neighborhoods.
Proud2blib is just that a typical lib. They will probably have to screw her into the ground as my mother use to say.
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But when Bush went to the Guard he was going "AWOL" from Vietnam. lol
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I was in Viet Nam before I wasn't in Viet Nam.....or something like that.
Liberal think gives me a headache.
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spanone (1000+ posts) Tue May-18-10 02:12 PM
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78. wow, this is just like the media went after bu$h* and his 'service'........not
Yeah you stupid cow, no one *cough ~ Dan Rather ~ cough* ever made issue of Bush's service. I went over there and read that thread. To the credit of some DU'ers they are pointing out their hypocrisy but there are some over there that are twisting and turning trying to make it "no big deal".
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When my wife was comissioned Gulf War I was still in progress and she got the service ribbon for that one by the sheer fact she enlisted and went through ocs while it was still wrapping up. She laughed when someone asked her one time if she was a veteran of Desert Storm.
I guess if she was a Democrat that would have made her a combat vet.
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Um, I didn't get that memo.
"For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything." Eph. 5:23-24. It's a little more than a memo. Doesn't give a man carte blanche to be abusive or not make mutual decisions with their wives but the buck has to stop somewhere. It doesn't mean women can't do anything on their own, either. I run my farm and my husband pretty much leaves me to it unless I ask him for help or advice. I homeschooled and made all educational decisions unless I asked. I'm not mousy or submissive but when a big decision has to be made and we don't agree, I defer to him.
Cindie
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I was in Viet Nam before I wasn't in Viet Nam.....or something like that.
Liberal think gives me a headache.
Yabutt, even before the verbal clarity of the likes of a John F Kerry we had
Shermanesque statement (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shermanesque_statement)
"I hereby state, and mean all that I say, that I never have been and never will be a candidate for President; that if nominated by either party, I should peremptorily decline; and even if unanimously elected I should decline to serve."
These statements are often abbreviated as
"If drafted, I will not run; if nominated, I will not accept; if elected, I will not serve"
And the liberal version " If drafted I will run, if indicted I will hide in Canada, if convicted I will not serve time so help me Jimmy Carter :fuelfire:"
eta typo
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in regards to this richard blumenthal character, its not a question of "in" or "during" about his alleged time in country...
here is one of his quotes:
The Times story said Blumenthal has intimated that he suffered the mistreatment veterans received after returning from Vietnam. At a veterans event in Shelton, for example, he said, "When we returned from Vietnam, I remember the taunts, the verbal and even physical abuse we encountered," according to a 2008 Connecticut Post story.
yep, another lying sack of shit...
http://www.dailyrecord.com/article/20100518/UPDATES01/100518061/Conn.+Senate+candidate+Richard+Blumenthal+calls+Vietnam+comments+misplaced+words+ (http://www.dailyrecord.com/article/20100518/UPDATES01/100518061/Conn.+Senate+candidate+Richard+Blumenthal+calls+Vietnam+comments+misplaced+words+)
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Today he clarified, apparently he "unintentionally misspoke".
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ah! ok...
so its not a lie if you actually did lie, but did so "unintentionally."
got it.
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ah! ok...
so its not a lie if you did lied, but did it "unintentionally."
got it.
:thatsright:
That makes everything better. Like Bacon.
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Oh oh my.
The primitives must be "researching" Anne, because a lot of them have been studying this ancient thread.
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"For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything." Eph. 5:23-24. It's a little more than a memo. Doesn't give a man carte blanche to be abusive or not make mutual decisions with their wives but the buck has to stop somewhere. It doesn't mean women can't do anything on their own, either. I run my farm and my husband pretty much leaves me to it unless I ask him for help or advice. I homeschooled and made all educational decisions unless I asked. I'm not mousy or submissive but when a big decision has to be made and we don't agree, I defer to him.
Cindie
I always liked this line:
"The man is the head, but the woman is the neck. And she can turn the head any way she wants."
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I would never claim that I had been in Desert Storm. I still feel uncomfortable saying I was a Desert Storm-era vet. That's why I went to NYS DCS and aksed them about it, after they told me that I could do that.
I served, only served, during the time of Operation Urgent Fury. During my stint that's all that really went on in a large, public way. I didn't even know that I was considered OUF-era was until I looked into AL membership for someone else.
A few troops were awarded patches they did not deserve for that operation. Top had to order my buddy to sew his on. He was mortified because he felt he didn't earn it and there were still all these VN vets on AD with us. Another troop at brigade got an OUF award and she was at Womack having a baby at the time!
Lying about military is one of the lowest, scummiest things someone can do. Most times it bites the liar in the ass, but the consequences aren't severe enough for my liking.
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proud2BlibKansan's DH is the difference between shoplifting a candy bar, and grand larceny (http://militarytimes.com/projects/hallofstolenvalor/).....but they're both theft!
http://www.stolenvalor.com/
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Oh oh my.
The primitives must be "researching" Anne, because a lot of them have been studying this ancient thread.
Wow. It was a little startling seeing this pop up this morning.
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Funny, I see some DUmmie just started this thread. (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2152374) That's the guy that Crockspot exposed as a lifelong democrat and a fraud.
(http://cdn.front.moveon.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/republican-MAIN.jpg)
Link to story at FR: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/1491289/posts looks like Crocks original CU post was lost in the crash.
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Cripes, I've run into several people that have claimed to be SEALs.
When pressed on the issue, the story changes to "I used to work with SEALs".
If you ever run into one of those, ask what their class number was.
If they claim it was secret, you've got a ringer. (there were no secret classes)
Door gunner in Nam, is another popular claim.
That one is little more difficult to feret out unless you know what you're talking about.
People have a need to be viewed as heroic by others.
Best not to do that in front of those that have been down the road.
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I am, however barely, classified as a Viet Nam ERA vet, and not being Tom Harkin or some other variation of Democrat liar (Redundant as that may be), it would never occur to me to claim to be a Viet Nam vet, nor ever, EVER use the phrase 'In Viet Nam' in talking about myself. I've been on active duty and played a supporting role in quite a number of conflicts and their named operations since, but the only one where I was actually in theater and collecting combat pay was OIF, that is the only one for which I actually claim to be a war vet, and that's the way everyone else I know looks at it as well.
Same here, having served in the Navy during the war, but not setting foot in country. I never refer to myself as a Vietnam Vet, even though technically, I could.
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People have a need to be viewed as heroic by others.
Best not to do that in front of those that have been down the road.
There's only two people that I "have a need to be viewed as heroic by"--my wife and my daughter. (Well, maybe not my wife--all of the time.)
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Cripes, I've run into several people that have claimed to be SEALs.
When pressed on the issue, the story changes to "I used to work with SEALs".
If you ever run into one of those, ask what their class number was.
If they claim it was secret, you've got a ringer. (there were no secret classes)
Door gunner in Nam, is another popular claim.
That one is little more difficult to feret out unless you know what you're talking about.
People have a need to be viewed as heroic by others.
Best not to do that in front of those that have been down the road.
There's still a guy who'll tell anyone who'll listen that he was a Golden Knight. I know him and know that he was a cook assigned to the unit. AFA GKs, I preferred watching jumps out at the DZs or a guy named Alcee from one of the Groups.
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There's still a guy who'll tell anyone who'll listen that he was a Golden Knight. I know him and know that he was a cook assigned to the unit. AFA GKs, I preferred watching jumps out at the DZs or a guy named Alcee from one of the Groups.
There is something really cool about watching a battalion mass tac. Kinda scary being in them though.
KC
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I miss ol' Crock.
I remember once when I was still at CU, some libtard Feminazi from DU signed on to argue in a B/W of DU thread. She was getting her ass handed to her, of course, and it was only going downhill until he chimed in - "There's still a chance for you to salvage this experience. Show us your breasts."
I don't think she made another post after that.
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Even when I was with the 101st during Grenada and our Battalion was called out and we all had our junk in front of the barracks, can we claim to have been veterans of that little party. We never got so much as out of the area even with the trucks waiting to take us to the airfield.
One thing for sure is we were all ready to go and who knows what might have happened but we were going there to kick someones ass.
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I miss ol' Crock.
I remember once when I was still at CU, some libtard Feminazi from DU signed on to argue in a B/W of DU thread. She was getting her ass handed to her, of course, and it was only going downhill until he chimed in - "There's still a chance for you to salvage this experience. Show us your breasts."
I don't think she made another post after that.
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crockspot was a classic, both at our old home and here.
I'm sure however he's still laughing at the primitives with us, but from the Eternal Time and Place, not here.
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Even when I was with the 101st during Grenada and our Battalion was called out and we all had our junk in front of the barracks, can we claim to have been veterans of that little party. We never got so much as out of the area even with the trucks waiting to take us to the airfield.
One thing for sure is we were all ready to go and who knows what might have happened but we were going there to kick someones ass.
That is why I've never understood the mentality that drives people to embellish accounts of their service. Everyone who takes the oath does so with the knowledge that regardless of their job, they may one day be called on to place themselves in harms way and they stand ready to do so, at least in an all-voluntary military. The fact that one served and served honorably is enough to be worthy of respect. Of course those who were assigned to combat areas or otherwise distinguished themselves are due additional honors, but all have sacrificed something for their country. It was a privilege for me to serve and I expect nothing in return from the average citizen, not even a thank you for that matter. Just don't actively besmirch my service or work against my fellow veterans who are currently facing the fire. Both of those things, however, are specialties of the DUmbasses.
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There's only two people that I "have a need to be viewed as heroic by"--my wife and my daughter. (Well, maybe not my wife--all of the time.)
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Ya, know what you mean.
Seems as we get older, it just doesn't matter much any more.
Those of us the did it, know it.
Those that didn't, know it too.
Now days I don't give a crap unless one of them really gets out of line.
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Funny, I see some DUmmie just started this thread. (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2152374) That's the guy that Crockspot exposed as a lifelong democrat and a fraud.
(http://cdn.front.moveon.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/republican-MAIN.jpg)
Link to story at FR: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/1491289/posts looks like Crocks original CU post was lost in the crash.
Ah yes, the "esteemed" *spit* Jeb Eddy. It's good to see the little commie turds don't let a little thing like the fact that he's a fraud stand in the way of good propaganda.
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crockspot was a classic, both at our old home and here.
I'm sure however he's still laughing at the primitives with us, but from the Eternal Time and Place, not here.
Well, here's to Crockspot. :cheersmate: I do miss him.
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That is why I've never understood the mentality that drives people to embellish accounts of their service. Everyone who takes the oath does so with the knowledge that regardless of their job, they may one day be called on to place themselves in harms way and they stand ready to do so, at least in an all-voluntary military. The fact that one served and served honorably is enough to be worthy of respect. Of course those who were assigned to combat areas or otherwise distinguished themselves are due additional honors, but all have sacrificed something for their country. It was a privilege for me to serve and I expect nothing in return from the average citizen, not even a thank you for that matter. Just don't actively besmirch my service or work against my fellow veterans who are currently facing the fire. Both of those things, however, are specialties of the DUmbasses.
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Wow. It was a little startling seeing this pop up this morning.
I almost commented on this yesterday but was short on time. Today I just couldn't resist because well... :rotf: Oh, never mind. :naughty: