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Current Events => Politics => Topic started by: 5412 on May 11, 2010, 02:06:17 AM
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Hi,
Just one more outrage from the worst president in US history.
regards,
5412
http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/pentagon-military-pay-obama/2010/05/09/id/358485
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It's like I've stepped into a time warp back to 1993. :thatsright:
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It's like I've stepped into a time warp back to 1993. :thatsright:
I keep trying to the youngins at work that we aren't made of money. They've only know the goverment in the good times, I keep telling them to hold on for the ride that's coming
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For example, the military brass claims that an average sergeant in the Army with four years of service and one dependent would receive $52,589 in annual compensation, according to the paper. This figure includes basic pay, housing, and subsistence allowances, as well as tax benefits.
Meanwhile, a U.S. postal letter carrier, with no supervisory or hazardous duty, makes approximately $80,000 a year when all benefits are factored in.
Yep, it sure looks like the military is overpaid. To make things worse, the USPS, is typical of how overpaid government unions are.
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It's like I've stepped into a time warp back to 1993. :thatsright:
We should be so lucky.
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Yep, it sure looks like the military is overpaid. To make things worse, the USPS, is typical of how overpaid government unions are.
Only problem is...when you look at just the base salaries...we get a lot less.
They toss in all that extra crap to make it look like we make a lot more ethan we do.
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Only problem is...when you look at just the base salaries...we get a lot less.
They toss in all that extra crap to make it look like we make a lot more ethan we do.
Compensation becomes complex when you throw in all the extra crap but it has to be done if you are going to get a fair assessment. Housing, medical, and food, no matter how shoddy, have to be counted. Not all compensation is in cash and it is not just the military.
I use to wear jackets and ties for work which meant my dry cleaning bill was huge. Did I get compensated? No, but, the director did along with a clothing allowence.
What I like is the Post Office, the ultimate quasi government agency much like Freddie and Fannie. Has that puppy ever made money? I know, silly question. I have to run but someone with a little time might investigate what happened with the PO back years ago.
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IAW DoD 2010 Pay Chart:
Army SGT 4 years service with dependants: Annual Income (Not Deployed)
Base Pay = 28972.80
Enlisted Basic Allowance for Subsistence = 3886.44
Housing Allowance = 9648.00
Basic Clothing Allowance (Male) = 370.80
Total = 42878.04
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IAW DoD 2010 Pay Chart:
Army SGT 4 years service with dependants: Annual Income (Not Deployed)
Base Pay = 28972.80
Enlisted Basic Allowance for Subsistence = 3886.44
Housing Allowance = 9648.00
Basic Clothing Allowance (Male) = 370.80
Total = 42878.04
And the BHA goes away if the soldiers decides to live on post. Which is just about the only sensible choice if a soldier lives in say Hawaii or D.C. or any other place where the rent is sky friggin high.
It's not bad pay...but it's still not the high end well paid crap the left in the media are trying to make it out to be.
Especially when you compare certain jobs done in the military to their civilian counterparts.
We make a LOT less.
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And the BHA goes away if the soldiers decides to live on post. Which is just about the only sensible choice if a soldier lives in say Hawaii or D.C. or any other place where the rent is sky friggin high.
It's not bad pay...but it's still not the high end well paid crap the left in the media are trying to make it out to be.
Especially when you compare certain jobs done in the military to their civilian counterparts.
We make a LOT less.
Very true.
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IAW DoD 2010 Pay Chart:
Army SGT 4 years service with dependants: Annual Income (Not Deployed)
Base Pay = 28972.80
Enlisted Basic Allowance for Subsistence = 3886.44
Housing Allowance = 9648.00
Basic Clothing Allowance (Male) = 370.80
Total = 42878.04
The figure they're using for an E5's compensation package really isn't out of whack at all despite the way those numbers make it seem. Whether it's enough or too much is a whole other question, but the number isn't dishonest at all for these reasons:
1. Part of the calculation of true compensation value includes factoring in that those allowances are all tax exempt, which greatly increases their actual value in the package over the bare dollar figure;
2. In the case of career military, as opposed to one-and-done troops, the military retired pay and benefits is nearly unrivalled in private sector pension plans, particularly taking into account the very early possible starting age for it, though it technically doesn't vest until you actually retire. Actuarially, present value of it makes the 52 grand figure even seem like the value of retired pay was not even counted in, or perhaps heavily discounted due to the fact that being only at the E5 level, a lot of people are still young enough to chuck it and start over in civilian life instead of staying around to retire.
3. As far as losing the BAH for quarters, the fair market rental value of the quarters really is considerably more than the amount that's being given up in most places, especially considering generally all the utilities but cable are provided and there aren't any property taxes cranked into it. All the bullshit that goes with living in quarters is really no worse than living in any civilian suburban community with restrictive covenants and an intrusive neighborhood association run by the typical assholes who like to be on those kinds of things.
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And the BHA goes away if the soldiers decides to live on post. Which is just about the only sensible choice if a soldier lives in say Hawaii or D.C. or any other place where the rent is sky friggin high.
It's not bad pay...but it's still not the high end well paid crap the left in the media are trying to make it out to be.
Especially when you compare certain jobs done in the military to their civilian counterparts.
We make a LOT less.
Shit, don't even get into the hourly compensation.
One time, a couple of us (I think I was a PO2 at the time) added up ALL pay and allowances, sans housing, and then estimated our hourly wage based on straight time up to 40 hours a week, and time and a half after that.
We came up with an hourly wage of about $4.00/hour. To run a nuclear power plant.
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I would love to see some that are saying how rich the miltary members are try and raise and support a family on it. Unless your single with no bills than it is hard especially when you have small children or teenagers