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Current Events => General Discussion => Topic started by: The Village Idiot on May 05, 2010, 07:37:31 PM
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http://www.gilroydispatch.com/news/265404-five-morgan-hill-students-sent-home-for-wearing-american-flag-t-shirts
Five male students were asked to leave Live Oak High School this morning because they were wearing American flag T-shirts on Cinco de Mayo. Officials at the school could not be reached for comment, but one student said administrators called the T-shirts "incendiary."
"They said we were starting a fight, we were fuel to the fire," said Matt Dariano, a sophomore.
The five teens were sitting at a table outside during their brunch break around 10:10 a.m. when Assistant Principal Miguel Rodriguez asked two boys to take off their American flag bandannas that they were wearing on their heads. In the same conversation, student Dominic Maciel said, Rodriguez told the group to "walk with him to the office."
Dariano called his mother Diana, who spread the word to the other parents and all arrived soon after to have a conference with Rodriguez and Principal Nick Boden.
Maciel said they were told they must turn their T-shirts inside-out or be sent home. Maciel said they were told it wouldn't be considered a suspension but Rodriguez did not want any fights to break out among Mexican students and the group showing their American pride.
The boys said they thought turning the American flag inside-out was disrespectful, so all went home.
Dariano said Rodriguez indicated to him that while other students were wearing American flags, the group of five was "the easiest target to cause trouble."
"We were not going to start a fight. We wanted to show our pride," Dariano said. "In light of all of this, there are people with painted flags in red, green and white and yet the boys can't wear the American flag," Diana said.
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Can't offend the foreigners.
Did they ban white clothes during Black History Month?
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Schools are getting absolutely ridiculous. I would be enraged if it were my son or daughter.
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I would probably sue.
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Why do we even have Cinco de Mayo in this country? The holiday has nothing to do with America. We don't celebrate other countries' holidays here, so why only this one? (Rhetorical questions.)
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California...big surprise.
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Why do we even have Cinco de Mayo in this country? The holiday has nothing to do with America. We don't celebrate other countries' holidays here, so why only this one? (Rhetorical questions.)
More people in the US celebrate it than in Mexico. It's a celebration defeating the French at the Battle of Puebla. The big holiday in Mexico is May 15th, their independence day.
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Unless the flag was with something else then what the hell I would also be suing
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Anti American racism
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Why do we even have Cinco de Mayo in this country? The holiday has nothing to do with America. We don't celebrate other countries' holidays here, so why only this one? (Rhetorical questions.)
Well, we celebrate St. Patricks Day...... :whatever:
ETA: And this is why our local schools have gone to uniforms. Well that and the saggy pants thing.
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Well, we celebrate St. Patricks Day...... :whatever:
ETA: And this is why our local schools have gone to uniforms. Well that and the saggy pants thing.
Are those youngsters in training to be dirty old men? You know, training for the day they wear just the pants legs with elastic at the top and an overcoat.
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Are those youngsters in training to be dirty old men? You know, training for the day they wear just the pants legs with elastic at the top and an overcoat.
Dude, I have no idea. The whole fad is beyond me. I am not a "with-it" person anymore.
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Rush Limbaugh made an interesting comparison. If students wore Mexican flag shirts on July 4th, do you think they'd be sent home? Highly doubtful.
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The school is getting a good thrashing on their Facebook page. :-)
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Apparently, last year, they flew the Mexican flag above the US flag.
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This is what the DUmp is saying about it.
DUmp Link (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8283837)
It's an enormous fire. They're squabbling and going all over the place. 174 posts so far, and nobody knows what to think. Twilightgardener is being a prissy asshat, Beth is saying nonsensical stuff, and everybody is conflicted between fear of jingoism and rights of expression. WHAT TO THINK? WHAT TO THINK?
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So stupid it confooses the DUmmies??
If you are allowed to wear a Mexican flag in America, you have to be able to wear an American flag, in America, too. Nothing offensive about the flag itself.
Of course I can only imagine the crazy loop-duh-loops the DUmmies are going through.
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Why do we even have Cinco de Mayo in this country? The holiday has nothing to do with America. We don't celebrate other countries' holidays here, so why only this one? (Rhetorical questions.)
Excuse to have a party....just like St Patrick's Day...
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Well it could be argued that wearing apparel printed with the Flag is a sign of disrespect too. But we won't go there.... :uhsure:
http://www.senate.gov/reference/resources/pdf/RL30243.pdf
(last page)
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200 Mexicans left school and marched with Mexican flags.... no punishment for them, of course
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/05/07/tensions-high-california-high-school-following-flag-flap/
(http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/mexican-students1-e1273247424419.jpg)
Tensions are rising at a California high school where five students were sent home for wearing American flag T-shirts on Cinco de Mayo.
More than 200 Hispanic students reportedly skipped class on Thursday and marched to school district headquarters while chanting "we want respect" and "si se puedes" -- "yes we can" -- the Morgan Hill Times reported.
"We did this to support the Latino/Hispanic community," Francine Roa, a 2005 Live Oak High School graduate, told the newspaper.
At least six Morgan Hill police vehicles traveled alongside the students, many of whom carried Mexican flags. No arrests were made related to the march, the newspaper reported.
Police have been told to be on alert for gang-related retaliation against the boys, according to Ken Jones, whose stepson, Daniel Galli, was one of the students who refused to turn their T-shirts inside-out when asked by a vice principal on Wednesday.
"We just want this whole thing to die down," Jones told FoxNews.com. "We're not trying to keep these flames firing."
The five teens -- Galli, Austin Carvalho, Matt Dariano, Dominic Maciel and Clayton Howard -- were sitting at a table outside Live Oak High School Wednesday morning when Assistant Principal Miguel Rodriguez asked two of them to remove their American flag bandannas, one of the boys' parents told FoxNews.com. The youths complied, but were asked to accompany Rodriguez to the principal's office.
The students were then told they must turn their T-shirts inside-out or be sent home, though it would not be considered a suspension. Rodriguez told the students he did not want any fights to break out between Mexican-American students celebrating their heritage and those wearing American flags, the parent said.
But Jones said the preemptive action was unnecessary, and that Rodriguez "overstepped his bounds."
"The issue was, there was nothing going on," Jones told Fox News on Friday. "There was no sense of violence at all amongst the students, there was no conversation, there was no bullying.
"We just feel like the vice principal overstepped his bounds. He jumped in too quickly. We can understand he might be concerned something would happen, but there was no indication that was going to happen at all."
Officials at the high school, a 1,300-student institution in Santa Clara County, near San Jose, have not returned several messages seeking comment.
As of late Thursday, Jones said the five boys' parents have no plans to sue the school or Morgan Hill Unified School District, which has characterized the incident as "extremely unfortunate" and is conducting an ongoing investigation. Several attorneys have contacted the families offering to represent them pro bono, Jones said.
"We're keeping an open mind," he said. "We want to stand up for our First Amendment rights."
He said the families are seeking an apology from school officials and want the students' unexcused absences for leaving school to be expunged.
Galli said he frequently wears the American flag T-shirt to school and that he wasn't trying to incite any tension. Asked if he wore the shirt to make a statement related to the ongoing immigration debate, Galli said, "No, it had absolutely nothing to do with that."
District officials, meanwhile, sent a voicemail message in English and Spanish to all parents late Thursday.
"The Morgan Hill Unified School District does not prohibit nor do we discourage wearing patriotic clothing," the message from Superintendent Wesley Smith said. "The incident on May 5 at Live Oak High School is extremely unfortunate. While campus safety is our primary concern and administrators made decisions yesterday in an attempt to ensure campus safety, students should not, and will not, be disciplined for wearing patriotic clothing. This situation and our response are under review."
Asked if the district will be taking any steps to quell rising tensions at the school, a district official told FoxNews.com in an e-mail, "Our focus for [Thursday] was student safety. Students are safe and administrators are continuing to work through the investigation."
Eugene Volokh, a professor of law at UCLA, said the students are protected under California Education Code 48950, which prohibits schools from enforcing a rule subjecting a high school student to disciplinary sanctions solely on the basis of conduct that, when engaged outside of campus, is protected by the First Amendment.
If the school could point to previous incidents sparked by students who wore garments with American flags, they could argue that the flag is likely to lead to "substantial disruption," Volokh said.
"If, for example, there had been fights over similar things at past events, if there had been specific threats made. But if [school officials] just say, 'Well, we think it might be offensive to people,' that's generally speaking not enough."
Volokh said the students and their parents likely have a winning case on their hands if they decide to take the matter to court.
"Oh yes, it's almost open and shut," he said.
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But truancy is protected free speech? One more reason to homeschool.
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Those pro-Mexico students assail man in wheelchair. How civilized.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2010/05/07/pro-mexican_flag_students_protesting_american_flag_assail_man_in_wheelchair.html
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It should be a very basic choice...the American flag is YOUR flag, or you go live under your flag. BYE!
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But truancy is protected free speech? One more reason to homeschool.
Or Charter schools. Get rid of all union affiliations with teachers and administrators. Put into place a zero policy and fire any teacher that does anything but teach the three R's. Fire any teacher that voices any political opinion.
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Link to the article?
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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/05/07/tensions-high-california-high-school-following-flag-flap/
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Time to start burning Mexican flags.
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Time to start burning Mexican flags.
It would take at least two people to burn each one. One to light it on fire and another to piss on it.
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(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff68/kayaktn/ebert1.jpg)
:whatever:
The Internet really has been the gift that keeps on giving with the Roger Eberts of our world. With no editors or producers, no one intelligent between them and their moral illiteracy, they just can’t help but expose their true nature to the whole world.
God bless the SEND button.
Gee, why is Hollywood’s approval rating in the toilet again?
http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jjmnolte/2010/05/06/roger-ebert-equates-american-flag-with-soviet-hammer-sickle/
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The school has a MeCha Club.
Anti-American and racist.
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Political correctness is a cancer. That is all I can say.
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yes it is. Leftists have some mental defect that I cannot cure. :p
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yes it is. Leftists have some mental defect that I cannot cure. :p
That defect would be the total domination of emotion in their thinking, which results in an inability to see the self-contradictions of their own views ("Right and wrong are relative, but it is wrong for Americans to display the American flag in America because it might offend the foreigners").
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("Right and wrong are relative, but it is wrong for Americans to display the American flag in America because it might offend the foreigners").
Soe day someone is going to write the best scifi story ever with characters who think that way. lol.
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Soe day someone is going to write the best scifi story ever with characters who think that way. lol.
Hmmm, I think they already did with, "Atlas Shrugged".
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Hmmm, I think they already did with, "Atlas Shrugged".
True but I mean a modern version.
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The only way the leftists make sense is if you accept the fact that they are anti-american. Once you accept that simple truth...you can anticipate their response on just about anything.
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Hmmm, I think they already did with, "Atlas Shrugged".
How about Idiocracy.
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How about Idiocracy.
Idiocracy is the DU taking over the world, generations later.