WeDidIt (1000+ posts) Sun May-02-10 08:25 AM
Original message
PREDICTION: They'll arrest somebody for the Times Square Event within 48 hours
He had Connecticut plates on the SUV that were registered to another vehicle.
This was a full blown amateur which is indicative of a completely domestic event.
I'm about 75% sure they already have a name and are seeking the perpetrator now.
mwb970 (1000+ posts) Sun May-02-10 09:55 AM
Response to Reply #49
56. I agree.
This is definitely the work of a conservative.
WeDidIt (1000+ posts) Sun May-02-10 08:31 AM
Response to Reply #4
8. Yep, that's why I figure they already know who it is.
Edited on Sun May-02-10 08:35 AM by WeDidIt
I'm betting it's a veteran, which means the fingerprints are in the FBI database.
WeDidIt (1000+ posts) Sun May-02-10 08:53 AM
Response to Reply #17
24. I think it's about 75% likely this was a right wing militia member.
Those who are used as 'foot soldiers' in the very militant right wing militias are usually veterans which makes it highly likely to be a veteran if this is right wing terrorism.
The next most likely possibility is a disaffected domestic Muslim. There is a slight chance that such a profile would be a veteran.
Given that this is highly likely to be a domestic attack, the chances are very good it was a veteran. I'd give it a better than 50% chance.
LiberalLoner (647 posts) Sun May-02-10 08:31 AM
Response to Original message
7. Wonder if it will end up being a right-wing terrorism incident? n/t
WeDidIt (1000+ posts) Sun May-02-10 08:31 AM
Response to Reply #7
11. I'd say that's the most likely scenario.
My bet is, it's a right wing nutball who is also a veteran and a militia member.
divvy (205 posts) Sun May-02-10 08:43 AM
Response to Reply #7
19. I bet that it is another McVeigh type incident.
Some teabaggers are even starting to imortalize that ass.
Frank Cannon (1000+ posts) Sun May-02-10 08:44 AM
Response to Reply #7
21. As this was obviously the work of an incompetent, cowardly dumbass
I would say that your average right-winger fits the profile to a "Tea".
Christa (1000+ posts) Sun May-02-10 08:38 AM
Response to Original message
16. I think Halliburton has a finger in this pie. nt
Christa (1000+ posts) Sun May-02-10 08:53 AM
Response to Reply #18
25. It knocked the environmental disaster off the headlines
and they played a huge part in it.
Also, they would WANT to make it look like an amateur.
divvy (205 posts) Sun May-02-10 09:14 AM
Response to Reply #30
45. GOAL: To Arizona - ize NYC.
Edited on Sun May-02-10 09:18 AM by divvy
My Guess:
Right Wing
White Male
American
Flag Waving Patriot
TEABAGGER
McVeigh / Ruby Ridge / Waco fanatic
2nd Ammendment Gun Nut
Fundamentalist Evangelical Christian
and most importantly:
Anti-Immigration Zealot.
Think about it. NYC is the national symbol for immigration.
Remember ..... You heard it here first !
WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Sun May-02-10 09:26 AM
Response to Original message
50. Somebody who listens to FOX radio.
Stevenmarc (1000+ posts) Sun May-02-10 02:35 PM
Response to Original message
65. All I hope is that they have ties to the teabaggers
Mekki (12 posts) Tue May-04-10 05:51 AM
Response to Original message
76. I highly doubt that.
I highly doubt that.
Swamp Rat (1000+ posts) Tue May-04-10 06:10 AM
Response to Reply #76
77. Of course you do because you saw the news that a Pakistani man had been arrested over 5 hours ago,
like everyone else who has watched the news over the last few hours.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/05/nyregion/05bomb.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8257027
Hey DUmbasses...(http://www.conservativecave.com/Smileys/default/bigfinger.gif) (http://www.conservativecave.com/Smileys/default/bigfinger.gif)
Stevenmarc (1000+ posts) Sun May-02-10 02:35 PM
Response to Original message
65. All I hope is that they have ties to the teabaggers
divvy (205 posts) Sun May-02-10 09:14 AM
Response to Reply #30
45. GOAL: To Arizona - ize NYC.
Edited on Sun May-02-10 09:18 AM by divvy
My Guess:
Right Wing
White Male
American
Flag Waving Patriot
TEABAGGER
McVeigh / Ruby Ridge / Waco fanatic
2nd Ammendment Gun Nut
Fundamentalist Evangelical Christian
and most importantly:
Anti-Immigration Zealot.
Think about it. NYC is the national symbol for immigration.
Remember ..... You heard it here first !
customerserviceguy (1000+ posts) Tue May-04-10 08:33 AM
Response to Original message
7. Wow, nailed him at the last moment
If he had landed in Dubai, we'd never have found him.
I sense the disappointment here that the bomber wasn't a tea bagger, as measured by the relative silence about this issue that didn't exist 24 hours ago.
flamingdem (1000+ posts) Tue May-04-10 12:27 AM
Response to Original message
7. I wonder if that was him changing his shirt
I watched that and immediately thought, Arab body movement and wirey style. Not US male body movement. Who knows.
flamingdem (1000+ posts) Tue May-04-10 12:27 AM
Response to Original message
7. I wonder if that was him changing his shirt
I watched that and immediately thought, Arab body movement and wirey style. Not US male body movement. Who knows.
Hey, Carl! Thanks for so promptly capturing this thread! How utterly stupid they look.
Just to add another quote:
All I hope is that Americans don't get killed by terrorists, but that's just me, DUmbass.
No. 77 was the last comment. Name removed appeared a couple of times.
They are all morons.
Whenever something goofy happens - bomb in Times Square, mass shootings at a US military base, etc - there seem to be two kinds of reactions:
a) Some people go, "Hmm. I wonder if this involves some guy with a name like Mohammed who has emails from Yemen."
b) Other people go, "Don't worry, there's no connection to terrorism, and anyway, even if there is, it's all very amateurish, and besides he's most likely an isolated extremist or lone wolf."
Unfortunately, everyone in category (b) seems to work for the government.
customerserviceguy (1000+ posts) Tue May-04-10 08:33 AM
Response to Original message
7. Wow, nailed him at the last moment
If he had landed in Dubai, we'd never have found him.
I sense the disappointment here that the bomber wasn't a tea bagger, as measured by the relative silence about this issue that didn't exist 24 hours ago.
UndecidedGuy (16 posts) Tue May-04-10 09:26 AM
Response to Original message
1. Be honest now...
How many of you people here secretly wish this was a Tea Party protester?
Be honest.
This was a good one too..... :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4367227
FSogol (1000+ posts) Tue May-04-10 09:27 AM
Response to Reply #1
2. I'm just glad we have a competent AG and DOJ. Quite a change
Edited on Tue May-04-10 09:28 AM by FSogol
from the Reagan, Bush, and Bush debacles.
ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Tue May-04-10 09:41 AM
Response to Reply #2
7. Its the same DOJ as Bush
The vast majority of the the Federal Government does not change with the administration, and the political appointees in many places are little more than show pieces.
Vinnie From Indy (1000+ posts) Tue May-04-10 09:30 AM
Response to Reply #1
3. My secret wish is that idiocy like this is not posted on DU
Welcome to DU!
Dogtown (1000+ posts) Tue May-04-10 10:03 AM
Response to Reply #1
12. Be honest now, UndecidedGuy...
You signed up to **** with us, didn't you?
Be honest.
slackmaster (1000+ posts) Tue May-04-10 10:27 AM
Response to Reply #28
103. So, what kind of "teabagger" would a Pakistani-born US citizen be?
Darjeeling or Assam?
Times Square Bombing: 100% Homegrown American?
Filed by: Sara Whitman
May 3, 2010 8:00 PM
An attempt at a car bombing was made Saturday night, in Times Square. Quickly, there have already been claims whispered of the Taliban sneaking about in our midst by the New York Times:
"No motive had been determined in the attempted bombing, and federal and local officials said there was no evidence to support a claim of responsibility issued Sunday by a Pakistani Taliban group that has a reputation for making far-fetched attempts to take credit for attacks."
A few paragraphs later, again a hint of outside terrorists:
"Investigators were reviewing similarities between the incident in Times Square and coordinated attacks in the summer of 2007 at a Glasgow airport and a London neighborhood of nightclubs and theaters. Both attacks involved cars containing propane and gasoline that did not explode. Those attacks, the authorities believed, had their roots in Iraq."
Um, call me crazy, but didn't Tim McVeigh use a car bomb in Oklahoma City? Wasn't that domestic terrorism? Crazy right wing nut cases who wanted to take over the government?
Homegrown? Nothing to do with Iraq or Iran or Pakistan?
Am I the only one who is making this very direct connection? Why does it feel like the media is pumping up a frenzy of hate against Middle Easterners?
The Teabaggers carry guns to their demonstrations. Guns. I have to say, I've been to many a demonstration in my time but never saw anyone- aside from the police- with a gun. The rhetoric has become increasingly more and more violent- people openly calling for the death of the President on facebook, for instance.
I'd bet having to take my pants off through airport security (god knows we are headed there anyway), that this is a 100% American effort.
We need to start looking at ourselves, at our media, and at the messages rained on us a little more closely. Who buys all those guns in this country? You know, the semi-automatics, machine guns- the stuff that no one in the world hunts deer or quail with.
There are a lot of angry, white people out there. White. Not black, not latino, but white people who are feeling their power erode away.
I sincerely hope the police, FBI and Homeland security are a lot smarter than the media. I also hope it was one warped lunatic who failed.
But something tells me, it's not.
I agree with everything you said. Let's also acknowledge that this was strictly amateur hour. You see, there were at least two fatal flaws with this construct that has been referred to as a "bomb" by just about everybody and that's just in the sketchy descriptions that I've read.
First, containers or bottles like propane tanks Can't. Blow. Up. They are designed to exclude oxygen and despite what happens in the movies, no oxygen = no combustion. The containers can be punctured and their contents ignited upon contact with oxygen in the atmosphere, they can be heated to a point when the valve fails and releases the contents but neither failure is exactly explosive in nature. One can WELD on a bottle and as long as you don't puncture the vessel, it won't explode. I know because of science and experience. I've done it. Plus, if anybody gets the bright idea to force oxygen into a propane tank so that it will be combustible, then there will be one less would be terrorist that we have to worry about. It isn't a secret what happens when you introduce liquid oxygen into an environment of petroleum distillates.
Second, not all "fertilizer" is ammonium nitrate. I can buy a ton of Miracle Grow and not have anything remotely explosive. The fireworks and gasoline may have made a merry fire but nobody was ever in any real danger so while the intent was there, the knowledge was lacking.
It's possible to ignore science in fiction but it isn't possible to do so in reality and still achieve a desired result. This tendency to ignore science just screams Beck fan teabagger to me. I could be wrong of course but I don't think that I am.
Pleeeese!!!
Since when would any Taliban extemist use M-80's as an addition to a bomb?
The only people I know who know anything about M-80's are red blooded American or Canadian teenagers who like to blow up water closets in the gym bathroom, or kneejerk, American wing nuts who attend Tea Party conventions and demonstrations. Since I don't believe that it was any teenageer whopurchased the vehicle for cash, I can only think it is the latter animal who is trying to blow people up to make some kind of statement. I think the clincher for me though was when they reported that there was a gun locker in the car that was full of fertilizer. But the kind that does not blow up. Only someone who goes around asking for proof of Obama's birth certificate and calling people facists and nazi's is stupid enough to travel around NYC with a locker full of non-exploding shit. Even the Taliban aren't that dumb.
More data needed.
I'm a sometime military analyst, and I'd give none of the current conjectures anything better than a "well, could be, I 'spose".
It does sound like amateur-hour Al Qaeda. I see RWNJ (Right Wing Nut Jobs) targeting Federal buildings, synagogues, mosques etc but not crowded city streets. The RWNJs may blow up kindergartens, but if so they'd be Gummint ones.
Exactly which kind of enemy we face doesn't matter. Just that they're the enemy, no matter which flag the plead allegiance too.
Color me a conspiracy theorist, but isn't this a wee bit convenient? Al Queda is responsible again? They were highly successful in Iraq, Afghanistan, and on 9/11. The first bomb attempt at the World Trade Center wasn't enough to bring the building down, but caused quite a bit of damage.
So they chose an idiot this time who'd leave behind all sorts of evidence, rig up a bomb incorrectly using MacGyver-like bits of flotsam and jetsom, and then promptly jumps a plane for Pakistan?
No way. I smell a chance to pump the Afghanistan war against Al Queda and their new base of power in Pakistan.
Let's see:
WRONG!
WRONG!
WRONG!
WRONG!
and WRONG!
WRONG!/WRONG!/WRONG!
WRONG!
WRONG!
And most importantly:
WRONG!
Think about it, in the accuracy in prediction department, DUmmie divvy is 0 for 11, a perfect score for a DUmmie.... :rotf:
Remember, you heard it there first.... :rotf:
It never ceases to amaze me....the depth of their hatred for conservatives.
Maybe we do need to divide up the country.
I'm taking the Heartland....I want to make sure I eat. :uhsure:
Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Tue May-04-10 02:25 PM
Response to Reply #10
23. I think it's sad that people would even have to consider that.
Considering their track record.
AlphaCentauri (1000+ posts) Tue May-04-10 02:31 PM
Response to Reply #10
118. And who says he is not a tea-bagger?
if he is a fundamentalist he for sure is or sympathize with tea baggers
No Elephants (1000+ posts) Tue May-04-10 02:25 PM
Response to Reply #18
27. Difference? Are you implying Bushco would not have arrested this guy?
If you follow the court cases, you will have noticed that Holder's D of J takes the same positions taken by the AG's under Bush--All the torture cases, habeas cases and FOIA cases--exact same legal positions, or worse. For example, Holder's D of J in a brief compared homosexuality with incest, pedophilia and bestiality. I don't think even Bushco ever went that far about homosexuality publicly and in the name of the United States.
Democat (1000+ posts) Tue May-04-10 02:25 PM
Response to Reply #19
22. This guy likely shares a deep hatred of the American government with the Tea Party!
Both the tea party and other groups have a hatred of the American Government and a desire to see it destroyed. I can definitely see why some people would suspect that they may be involved. The only mistake in that theory was that this guy wasn't attacking a government building like McVeigh - the hero of the Tea Party - did.
Xenotime (1000+ posts) Tue May-04-10 02:27 PM
Response to Reply #29
109. Reight wing nuts are going to have a field day with this.
Robb (1000+ posts) Tue May-04-10 02:27 PM
Response to Reply #109
115. The field will be full, then.
The left will also.
Webster Green (1000+ posts) Tue May-04-10 02:25 PM
Response to Reply #34
36. Terrorist plot foiled on Obama's watch.
Bwahahahaha!
SnakeEyes (242 posts) Tue May-04-10 02:25 PM
Response to Reply #36
41. The plot wasn't foiled..
The bomb didn't work as hoped.
kurtzapril4 (89 posts) Tue May-04-10 02:26 PM
Response to Reply #36
46. OBama had nothing to do with foiling this
The plot was foiled by a vendor in Time's Square. Not OBama, not DHS, not the FBI, CIA, or the NYC Po-po.
Just a common, work-a-day guy who noticed something amiss.
Webster Green (1000+ posts) Tue May-04-10 02:26 PM
Response to Reply #46
48. The post was tongue in cheek..(more or less)
Remember when the chimp foiled all those terrorist plots?
Like the one in Florida, where agents convinced a bunch of kids to be "terrorists". They didn't even know what the **** was going on, but they liked the idea of getting shiny new boots. The chimp took big time credit for that. What a hero!
tabatha (1000+ posts) Tue May-04-10 02:25 PMWe're plumbing the insanity of DU.
Response to Reply #28
35. I wonder how those with bent minds of the Freeper persuasion
will twist this.
paulsby (1000+ posts) Tue May-04-10 02:26 PM
Response to Reply #35
50. i wonder how all those on THIS website who just KNEW it was a teabagger
Edited on Tue May-04-10 04:42 AM by paulsby
are now going ... hmmm...
now sure it's POSSIBLE that a citizen of pakistani descent, who actually just returned from pakistan and set a bomb in times square is a teabagger, but not exactly likely.
No Elephants (1000+ posts) Tue May-04-10 02:26 PM
Response to Reply #50
101. Ah, yes, let's shame those at DU who maligned Teabaggers unfairly (maybe).
Edited on Tue May-04-10 08:14 AM by No Elephants
After all, Teabaggers are so painstakingly meticulous about who they malign on message boards. Not to mention that DUers must be put in their place at every opportunity. Right, Paulsby?
SnakeEyes (242 posts) Tue May-04-10 02:26 PM
Response to Reply #28
45. Anyone that jumped to conclusions..
want to go ahead and say they were wrong?
stray cat (1000+ posts) Tue May-04-10 02:27 PM
Response to Reply #45
112. Some "progressives" will insist its still a tea partier behind it all and this is an innocent
victim of racial profiling
harmonicon (1000+ posts) Tue May-04-10 02:26 PM
Response to Reply #47
88. Why are they even bothering with a police investigation?
If this guy who maybe was involved maybe was from Connecticut, shouldn't we just start bombing the **** out of CT? That strategy has always worked in the past to fight terrorism, right?
tblue (1000+ posts) Tue May-04-10 02:26 PMNo, those aren't her people because they reside illegally.
Response to Reply #88
89. No, see when the terrorist is from CT, you invade Arizona.
And you remove the governor, who is guilty of attacking her own people.
harmonicon (1000+ posts) Tue May-04-10 02:27 PM
Response to Reply #102
107. the people in CT who will die are not innocent
They were harboring terrorists!!!!!
mwrguy (110 posts) Tue May-04-10 02:26 PM
Response to Reply #28
90. I hope it's not a scapegoat
We have a long history of doing that.
RonSunn (62 posts) Tue May-04-10 02:27 PM
Response to Reply #28
106. I wish they would have found a McCain/Palin bumper sticker
On the damn thing!
Xenotime (1000+ posts) Tue May-04-10 02:27 PM
Response to Reply #106
108. Or a 'W' sticker
Shahzad, who had been the subject of a huge manhunt, almost made it out of the country on a Emirates flight to Dubai, with a planned connection onward to Pakistan, according to the officials.
"He appeared real close to getting away," one federal official said. "The plane was buttoned up. Backed away from the jetway."
Authorities said that despite the manhunt, his passport had not been flagged and he was able to buy a ticket with cash and clear airport security.
New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg, while refusing to criticize any agency Tuesday morning, said Shahzad was "clearly on the plane and shouldn't have been."
At a Tuesday morning press conference, President Obama said the attempted bombing "is another sobering reminder of the times in which we live." Of attackers, he said, "They will stop at nothing to try and interrupt our life."
FBI agents discovered Shahzad's car parked in a short-term lot at JFK airport Monday evening and searched for his name on airline passenger manifests.
Democat (1000+ posts) Tue May-04-10 02:25 PM
Response to Reply #19
22. This guy likely shares a deep hatred of the American government with the Tea Party!
Both the tea party and other groups have a hatred of the American Government and a desire to see it destroyed. I can definitely see why some people would suspect that they may be involved. The only mistake in that theory was that this guy wasn't attacking a government building like McVeigh - the hero of the Tea Party - did.
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kurtzapril4 (89 posts) Tue May-04-10 02:26 PM
Response to Reply #36
46. OBama had nothing to do with foiling this
The plot was foiled by a vendor in Time's Square. Not OBama, not DHS, not the FBI, CIA, or the NYC Po-po.
Just a common, work-a-day guy who noticed something amiss.
sinkingfeeling (1000+ posts) Tue May-04-10 11:52 AM
Original message
Bomb suspect lost Conn. home to foreclosure
Source: MSNBC.com
The suspect in the Times Square bombing attempt defaulted on a $200,000 mortgage on his Connecticut home and the Shelton property is now in foreclosure, according to court records.
Chase Home Finance LLC sued Shahzad, 30, in September to force the foreclosure. The case is pending in Milford Superior Court.
In Shelton, former neighbor Brenda Thurman told the New York Times that Shahzad and his wife, Huma Mian, spoke limited English and kept mostly to themselves. The couple had two young children, a girl and a boy, she said.
Thurman told the newspaper that the couple had lived at the house at 119 Long Hill Avenue for about three years before moving out last year.
Read more: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36934331/ns/us_news-securit... /
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This may have led to his returning to Pakistan. They've said his wife is there.
Vinnie From Indy (1000+ posts) Tue May-04-10 09:30 AM
Response to Reply #1
3. My secret wish is that idiocy like this is not posted on DU
I've seen a few articles that say Faisal Shahzad was a registered Democrat in Connecticut and quite possibly a donor to Obama's campaign. Here's a LINK (http://www.rightpundits.com/?p=6169) to one of the articles. If this clown was also a DUmpmonkey, that would be icing on the cake! :evillaugh:
Right now, I'm taking these reports with a grain of salt. If they do pan out to be true, there will be a great wailing and gnashing of teeth on Skin's island (not to mention the multitude of heads a'splodin)
Heh, we'd hit the tri-fecta! Why can't I be this lucky with the ponies?
ecstatic (1000+ posts) Tue May-04-10 01:35 PM
Response to Original message
17. Just because he is Pakistani doesn't mean he can't be a teabagger
As the teabaggers keep saying, they are a very diverse movement.
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DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Tue May 04th 2010, 01:56 PM
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The Looney Tunes, again!
An Islamic terrorist named Faisal Shahzad is the Time Square bomber according to media reports. He is Muslim of Pakistani heritage with dual citizenship in the United States, a registered Democrat in the state of Connecticut who may be an Obama donor. He was recently naturalized as a U.S. citizen under the Obama administration’s lenient open door policy.
ecstatic (1000+ posts) Tue May-04-10 01:35 PM
Response to Original message
17. Just because he is Pakistani doesn't mean he can't be a liberal
As the liberals keep saying, they are a very diverse movement.
Stevenmarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun May-02-10 02:35 PMYeah, you DUmb****s talk about being against fascism, but let that inner fascist show when it serves your agenda. :bird:
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65. All I hope is that they have ties to the teabaggers
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BTW - To all the DUmmies applauding Obama's alphabet soup:
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/times-square-bomb-pakistan-migr-connecticut-arrested-times/story?id=10546387