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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Carl on May 01, 2010, 06:03:48 PM
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cap (1000+ posts) Fri Apr-30-10 02:51 PM
Original message
the one message I'd like to send Obama: "It's the jobs, stupid"....
Edited on Fri Apr-30-10 02:52 PM by cap
Not to disrespect the POTUS, but to paraphrase Carville.
I'd like to get Obama focused on getting people jobs... All the other things, climate change, health care, energy, LA Oil Spill, are great and truly necessary to dig us out of the hole; but to win seats in 2010, he's got to get on message: Jobs, Jobs, Jobs.
Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Fri Apr-30-10 02:52 PM
Response to Original message
1. non unionjobs aren't on his to-do list.
Fixed
paulk (1000+ posts) Fri Apr-30-10 03:22 PM
Response to Reply #6
10. do you mean the job stimulus program from last year?
the one that was supposed to keep us from hitting 8% unemployment?
Yeah that.
Subdivisions (1000+ posts) Fri Apr-30-10 03:32 PM
Response to Reply #10
13. Yup. And those jobs have already moved through my town in the form
of a highway resurfacing project that brought about a month's worth of lunch-time revenues. The jobs weren't created here. They were created somewhere else and simply rolled through my town from the north and proceeded southward right out of town. So much for that.
but but but they were probably unionized
gateley (1000+ posts) Fri Apr-30-10 03:53 PM
Response to Reply #10
15. That was for starters -- he's also giving tax breaks to small businesses to
help them hire, and doing making other efforts.
Sincere question -- how would YOU address this problem if you'd been handed this nightmare that was decades in the making? My "solution" would be to give every citizen a portion of the money they've used for the bailouts, but the financial experts understand far better than I why that isn't viable (apparently). So, what steps would you take that Obama hasn't?
And, isn't making an effort a step in the right direction? I just don't think a snarky "it's not on his to-do list" is fair nor accurate.
I give every president some slack at the beginning -- I don't think any one of them has any real concept of the quagmire they're entering. Obama did what he felt would work, he was under pressure, and it did help a LITTLE bit. I just hope he keeps learning and tweaking and coming up with more options.
Glad to see you understand what President Bush had to deal with in the media and Clinton hidden recession of 2000.
paulk (1000+ posts) Fri Apr-30-10 04:18 PM
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17. the most recent $30 billion small business tax break stimulus
is pretty much a joke - it's too small and tax breaks aren't the way to do it. Obama's reliance on tax breaks and the private sector for recovery is misguided, imo - I almost think, at times, that - being a child of that generation - he's bought into the Reagan economy and it's trickle down economics.
Obama and most Democrats are way underestimating how badly our economy is hurting - a problem that was decades in the making requires drastic actions to unmake - and I see too much business as usual from this administration. I think the economy needs federal money injected directly into it - more unemployment benefits, more (and easier to get) foodstamps, an expansion of welfare benefits - and an least an acknowledgment that there are a whole class of people, the self employed, that are pretty much falling through the cracks of both the economy and the government's attempts to help.
And finally, Obama should consider something along the lines of the depression era WPA and CCC - instead of flatly rejecting the idea, as he has done.
Please oh please explain what that helps.
gateley (1000+ posts) Fri Apr-30-10 04:30 PM
Response to Reply #17
18. I agree with what you say, although I'll expand your statement about Obama
and most Dems underestimating how bad we're hurting. I think most people don't understand unless they're directly affected. My sister-in-law is unaware because she's employed at a good job with good benefits and can pay the rent and can afford to buy the food and clothes she needs
And those in Washington in additional to not hurting financially, liven in that insular bubble that is so far removed from reality...
I hope Obama gets to the point where he says "I welcome their hatred!", because I do agree these times call for depression era efforts.
But I don't take away from Obama trying. I guess I'm just still smarting from the Bush years.
You are the definition of useful idiot.
gateley (1000+ posts) Fri Apr-30-10 03:08 PM
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4. He knows this and he references it every single time he talks about the economy.
As he jetsets uselessly around the country as no President before him has.
Walk away (1000+ posts) Fri Apr-30-10 03:10 PM
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5. I think he knows but it's really up to the private sector to provide them.
There is a limit to how many real jobs the government can create on it's own with aide to states and towns. The real control they might have is stopping jobs from going to other countries. Then you would hear the little Pukes squeal!
You are too close to the truth...better watch out.
Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Fri Apr-30-10 03:44 PM
Response to Reply #5
14. Tell it to FDR
In what way is the private sector required or responsible for 'providing jobs'? What law compels them? Your fantasia? Do you have any idea how many jobs the government provides right now, including those of ever politician who is shrugging off the dire situation? And since when do we avoid actions because the Republicans will whine? That sounds like a concern for Republicans to me.
Told ya.
old mark (1000+ posts) Fri Apr-30-10 04:35 PM
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19. Here's his email address - tell him yourself.
Link:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact
I email them at least every other week.
mark
Your mouth to the messiahs garbage basket.
Walk away (1000+ posts) Fri Apr-30-10 06:50 PM
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20. Don't you think someone will be cleaning up the oil spill?
Won't that create some jobs? Don't you think that with millions more people with health care that there will be more jobs in health care? I don't see what your problem is. Those jobs are being generated now as we speak. But we are still losing jobs in manufacturing like crazy. The government doesn't need to manufacture anything. Private industry has to do that. As far as green jobs are concerned, that's great but you need companies to use green resources. Money doesn't come out of the air.
Soooo close to the truth but yet so far.
Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Sat May-01-10 03:30 AM
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23. How would you suggest
these jobs be created?
In light of the wholesale deindustrialization of the U.S. I don't see manufacturing jobs ever returning to where they were in the 1990s. What is your solution?
I'm a critic of President Obama but on this issue I can't see what he can do that would be very effective.
Thank the unions and bet 3 years ago you felt differently.
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The oil will return to the earth all by itself. What are these fantasy jobs an oil "spill" is suppose to create? Unless it was pumped out of Uranus, oil is as natural to the earth as water. It maybe messy, but this is not a disaster. And how did all those frickin' dead dinosaurs get out there in the middle of the Gulf Of Mexico? Can we stop the lie about oil being "fossil fuel"?
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government jobs do not benefit the economy
welfare checks do not benefit the economy
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government jobs do not benefit the economy
welfare checks do not benefit the economy
They are both negative influences which produce nothing and actually subtracts from a healthy free economy.
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They are both negative influences which produce nothing and actually subtracts from a healthy free economy.
It sucks the blood from those who contribute and spend it where it does not.
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The oil will return to the earth all by itself. What are these fantasy jobs an oil "spill" is suppose to create? Unless it was pumped out of Uranus, oil is as natural to the earth as water. It maybe messy, but this is not a disaster. And how did all those frickin' dead dinosaurs get out there in the middle of the Gulf Of Mexico? Can we stop the lie about oil being "fossil fuel"?
indeed- there is a lot of science that suggests that hydrocarbons form under great pressure deep in the earth's crust naturally and the biological traits that science sees in it is in part because of organisms that have learned to live in as well as live on oil.
Its suspected that one can drill for oil anywhere, its just a matter of digging deep enough to get to it. finding it the ocean is easier because nature has already done a bunch of the necessary digging for us.
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Maybe I'm being naive here, but how about a Manufacturing Summit where government actually opens a dialogue with captains of industry about what it would take to bring back manufacturing to the U.S.? Of course, it might involve tax breaks and liberals would rather see America hit rock bottom before they would let the Evil Richâ„¢ and their stockholders keep a little more of what belongs to them.
Also, what's keeping the moonbats from forming all these co-op industries they keep yammering about? You know, where the workers own the means of production? Cookie jar not full of start-up money yet? :whatever:
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paulk (1000+ posts) Fri Apr-30-10 04:18 PM
Response to Reply #15
Obama's reliance on tax breaks and the private sector for recovery is misguided, imo - I almost think, at times, that - being a child of that generation - he's bought into the Reagan economy and it's trickle down economics.
It's really sickening when these DUmbass moonbats compare their jug-eared Kenyan communist to the man who destroyed the Soviet Union and ushered in the greatest period of prosperity in the history of civilization.
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99 weeks of unemployment.
think about that? 99 weeks of sitting on your ass on the couch, posting on du, eating cheetos, hating america...
almost two years of government sponsored laziness.
heh, but then there are the fine, proud people of nola, still living in fema trailers five years after that little storm they had down there.
i guess the only thing that will satisfy these leeches is some kind of cradle to grave handout.
amazing...
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i guess the only thing that will satisfy these leeches is some kind of cradle to grave handout.
That is exactly what they want.
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That is exactly what they want.
i hear you. no matter what you do for them, it will never be enough.
start the wheels of the economy by increasing food stamps and unemployment benefits.
my lord, what passes for thinking in their world...
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They are slow learners.
fixord!
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Maybe I'm being naive here, but how about a Manufacturing Summit where government actually opens a dialogue with captains of industry about what it would take to bring back manufacturing to the U.S.? Of course, it might involve tax breaks and liberals would rather see America hit rock bottom before they would let the Evil Richâ„¢ and their stockholders keep a little more of what belongs to them.
That will never happen, at least in any productive form, because the unions would be invited right along with them as 'Stakeholders' and the execs would be muzzled into either silence or seeming conformity with whatever stupid populist command-economy idea his Socialist master fed to Obama's teleprompter.
Such a meeting could be productive if it was just the execs providing information to Obama in a totally candid, nonattribution environment (If he actually had the balls to implement any of it, which I doubt gravely) but that is EXACTLY what will NEVER happen.
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Maybe I'm being naive here, but how about a Manufacturing Summit where government actually opens a dialogue with captains of industry about what it would take to bring back manufacturing to the U.S.? Of course
It would end up with the government running all industries
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They are slow non-learners.
fixord!
I think that's more like it.
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Also, what's keeping the moonbats from forming all these co-op industries they keep yammering about? You know, where the workers own the means of production? Cookie jar not full of start-up money yet? :whatever:
A look inside a DUmmie's head:
Start business or buy weed?
Start business or buy weed?
Oh, the quandary...