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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Karin on April 22, 2010, 08:49:29 AM
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DUmp Link (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8180029)
The Kaput primitive started this one, complete with links to sites such as Think Progress, Ministry of Truth, and Progressive Electorate and is accompanied by an incomprehensible graph. It's a lot of communist propoganda blah blah blah.
Warpy (1000+ posts) Mon Apr-19-10 11:16 PM
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3. I wish I could recommend this multiple times
I'd be up all night clicking away.
Higher taxes on the wealthy have always correlated well with a healthy economy overall. Remember, any of the rich who paid attention to what they were doing after the Depression still managed to get richer with a 90% top marginal rate. Think about that.
In the meantime, there was work for anyone who wanted it, and that work paid enough for people to live on, pay their bills, and save a little. Minimum wage was set as the lowest wage a family of four could live on with a "thrifty" lifestyle. Now it won't even buy a single person poverty, it's still below the poverty line.
Lowering taxes on the richest has degraded every single thing this country was once proud of, from infrastructure to government service.
Enough. Tax the bastards until they're crying real tears this time and make it a constitutional amendment and make absolutely all school textbooks teach why it's done this way. Make it impossible for another slick talking snake oil salesman to do this to the country, ever again.
Or bring on the guillotine and confiscate all their ill gotten gains, pay back the debt they ran up, and make sure their children know poverty so they'll know that's what we want to avoid.
Warpy, a mean, nasty, drug-addled bitch. You're showing your true colors.
ZeitgeistObserver (467 posts) Mon Apr-19-10 11:19 PM
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4. Even total confiscation will last the govt about 15 mins, tops.
So I can't see much point to this. In fact most of them would simply leave if you instituted high rates of taxation.
Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Tue Apr-20-10 12:14 AM
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7. garbage
Way to make a coherent arguement, teach! Is that all you got?
AnArmyVeteran (667 posts) Tue Apr-20-10 12:33 AM
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18. Should we allow thugs who create nothing to steal 5 billion, more than 250,000 teachers make!!!!!
Eleventy!
AnArmyVeteran (667 posts) Tue Apr-20-10 01:02 AM
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33. When a thug sitting behind a computer taking money from others, it is STEALING...
I don't begrudge people who successful. But for someone to make 5 billion in one year while producing NOTHING for society is WRONG and it should be illegal. An illegal farm worker picking fruit produces more for society in one hour than ALL of Wall Street does in their entire lifetimes. That farm worker produces something of substance we all need to survive. The Wall Street thug produces absolutely NOTHING. Not only that, he takes from others who are productive.
What a financial genius! I dunno. Speechless.
femrap (1000+ posts) Tue Apr-20-10 08:50 PM
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154. As history has shown,
if the rich don't pay their fair share, they end up gone....DEAD! It's bloody and ugly.
A number of rich folks know this and are more than willing to pay higher taxes. Hell, it's been on '60 Minutes.'
Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Tue Apr-20-10 01:35 AM
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52. they going to fly their land, plant & equipment to bermuda?
sure they are.
those locusts aren't going anywhere. i wish they would, though.
like to hell.
ZeitgeistObserver (467 posts) Tue Apr-20-10 01:41 AM
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56. All they need to take is the money.
Enjoy the empty buildings.
Hannah Bell, all those people you despise and loathe pay a lot of property taxes. Where does your ever-inflating teacher's salary come from? Sit and think.
Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Tue Apr-20-10 02:40 AM
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74. So's money. Should we choose to, we can print as much as we like of the stuff and fund
an internal economy.
Folks, please be sure to go to your parent-teacher conferences and get to know your kids' teachers really, really well.
Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Tue Apr-20-10 03:05 AM
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88. god, you're clueless. printing money doesn't = "hyperinflation".
Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Tue Apr-20-10 03:15 AM
Response to Reply #89
92. could you be any more trite & clueless? germany's hyperinflation had nothing
to do with "printing money," & neither does zimbabwe's.
Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Tue Apr-20-10 03:21 AM
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97. lol. good riddance, mr. billionaire.
ZeitgeistObserver (467 posts) Tue Apr-20-10 03:22 AM
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98. 'Night.
Rest assured that's something you'll never be.
After that, name removed chimed in. I have to go now, I didn't even get all the way to the bottom. It's an enormous bonfire, and the stupid is excrutiating.
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Mon Apr-19-10 11:16 PM
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3. Higher taxes on the wealthy have always correlated well with a healthy economy overall.
Warpy must have been stealing pills from the hospital pharmacy during the Carter administration to not remember the "healthy" economy he presided over.
femrap (1000+ posts) Tue Apr-20-10 08:50 PM
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154. As history has shown, if the rich don't pay their fair share, they end up gone....DEAD! It's bloody and ugly.
Tough talk from the side that doesn't believe in private gun ownership.
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Higher taxes on the wealthy have always correlated well with a healthy economy overall.
I seem to recall a pretty healthy economy during the most of the Reagan, Clinton & Bush 43 presidencies, and taxes were relatively low.
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It looks like the DUmmies may get their wish for higher taxes. Not only is Lord Zero talking about letting the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy expire, but he is considering letting all of the tax cuts expire. Also, the VAT tax is still hanging around.
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Headquarters, this is Precinct 18. We have an escapee from the Psych Hospital downtown, proceed with caution.
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In the meantime, there was work for anyone who wanted it, and that work paid enough for people to live on, pay their bills, and save a little. Minimum wage was set as the lowest wage a family of four could live on with a "thrifty" lifestyle. Now it won't even buy a single person poverty, it's still below the poverty line.
Remember hearing about WWII? On the DUmp, I believe it's know as America's Imperial War of Aggression and Slew of War Crimes... does it ring a bell? It had a little more to do with our post Depression economic recovery than Communism did.
Or bring on the guillotine and confiscate all their ill gotten gains, pay back the debt they ran up, and make sure their children know poverty so they'll know that's what we want to avoid.
You remain in dying need of a history lesson. Remember that whole Reign of Terror/French Revolution thingy? Remember how Robespierre was put to death himself thanks to his own bloodlust and meglomania? Be careful what you with for. You must have been sick the day they taught history at your public school.
At the heart of every Communist is an armed robber and murderer, not to mention a tyrant. Just the other day some phoney-baloney Rambo wannabe was fantasizing about gunning down 2nd Amendment activists and Tea Party members for having the audacity to hold rallies where they talk about taxation, candidates, and domesitic policies.
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They really seem to have problems with the whole concept of causation.
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Remember hearing about WWII? On the DUmp, I believe it's know as America's Imperial War of Aggression and Slew of War Crimes... does it ring a bell? It had a little more to do with our post Depression economic recovery than Communism did.
You remain in dying need of a history lesson. Remember that whole Reign of Terror/French Revolution thingy? Remember how Robespierre was put to death himself thanks to his own bloodlust and meglomania? Be careful what you with for. You must have been sick the day they taught history at your public school.
At the heart of every Communist is an armed robber and murderer, not to mention a tyrant. Just the other day some phoney-baloney Rambo wannabe was fantasizing about gunning down 2nd Amendment activists and Tea Party members for having the audacity to hold rallies where they talk about taxation, candidates, and domesitic policies.
When they go off their medication, they have fantasies like that.
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Tue Apr-20-10 01:35 AM
Response to Reply #28
52. they going to fly their land, plant & equipment to bermuda?
sure they are.
those locusts aren't going anywhere. i wish they would, though.
like to hell.
This has got to be one of the stupidest DUmbasses in the history of stupid and DUmbass.
Hey, *dunt, why don't you ask the great revolutionary government of Zimbabwe how that whole run-the-rich-bastards-out thingy is going for them. What used to be the breadbasket and industrial backbone of the African Continent is now a lawless, socialist, "blue" shithole where the people are starving and their "internal economy" is worthless.
People who "think" like you are the reason they're suffering and, quite frankly, we don't want that kind of liberal bullshit here. Think real hard about your lack of economic literacy before your pudgy little fingers hit the keyboard. It might make you look a little less, well, stupid.
* http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=dunt
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http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=dunt
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After Zeitgeist goes to bed with a headache, she gets into a fight with BzaDem, who patiently explains economics 101 to her, and she refusing to grasp it. It's pretty lengthy.
apocalypsehow (1000+ posts) Tue Apr-20-10 08:36 PM
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150. I have read the entire exchange, and you simply don't appear to understand much about economics.
Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Tue Apr-20-10 09:17 PM
Response to Reply #150
164. i have two masters' degrees
apocalypsehow (1000+ posts) Tue Apr-20-10 10:06 PM
Response to Reply #164
171. And I'm an astronaut in my spare time, when not busy performing neurosurgery in famous hospitals
:-)
apocalypsehow (1000+ posts) Wed Apr-21-10 03:05 PM
205.
I hope you didn't pay for any of that "schooling" - if so, a refund is due.
Flatulo (1000+ posts) Tue Apr-20-10 09:41 PM
Response to Reply #126
166. Hannah, with all due respect, I think you're in over your head here. nt
Further down, the OP pops back up with something stupid:
Naturyl (1000+ posts) Tue Apr-20-10 07:42 PM
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146. Millions of people could employ tthemselves in co-ops.
No rich needed. But nobody knows that because the rich make sure we don't.
Naturyl (1000+ posts) Tue Apr-20-10 07:29 PM
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135. K&R. I want PUNITIVE tax rates. Yes, PUNITIVE.
The rich need to be punished for what they have done to this country. Let's go right back to 91% top bracket. Let's make it hurt.
branders seine (1000+ posts) Tue Apr-20-10 07:36 PM
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142. and then tax their spawn and their grandspawn into oblivion.
salguine (1000+ posts) Tue Apr-20-10 08:48 PM
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153. If by "tax" you mean "behead", then I'm with ya!
brooklynite (1000+ posts) Tue Apr-20-10 10:13 PM
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176. This is bigotry...
Edited on Tue Apr-20-10 10:52 PM by brooklynite
I'm rich. I earn 6 figures; my wife earns 7. We give a lot of money to Democratic candidates, and progressive causes. We give a lot to charity (including providing matching grants to the DU fund for Feeding America). But apparently that doesn't matter, because everyone who's financially successful must be evil, money-grubbing plutocrat.
When I studied Political Science, I learned that taxes were collected to pay for the programs that a democratically elected government chose to implement. Apparently, I was wrong; according to the folks here, taxes are supposed to be punitive, because every wealthy person is an evil conservative who doesn't deserve a penny.
Since I won't have any money left after your taxation, I trust you'll be stepping in next December when DU asks for a contribution.
:lmao:
mainer (1000+ posts) Wed Apr-21-10 07:40 AM
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189. This is the kind of thread that makes moderates run away screaming
... from the Democratic party
Wed afternoon was the last post. Sorry to bring so much over.
I feel like going on a personal crusade to remove Hannah Bell from her public school teaching position. She has no mental capacity to babysit children, much less "educate" them, or whatever you want to call it.
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Could you imagine living in North Korea?
Can you imagine a world where all the stores are shut down and there is not a consumer good to be had?
Where the only food comes from standing in line at a government soup kitchen or a government handout site?
Where there are no jobs for 90% of the population except sweeping sidewalks or pulling weeds on a government farm for a pittance.
That is the world this OP is asking for.
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Tue Apr-20-10 09:17 PM
Response to Reply #150
164. i have two masters' degrees
In "education" and womyn's studies most likely.
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Tue Apr-20-10 09:17 PM
Response to Reply #150
164. i have two masters' degrees
And yet you remain only marginally literate, or possibly suffering under the peculiar and cruel delusion that writing like e. e. cummings makes you appear intellectual. Amazing.
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I feel like going on a personal crusade to remove Hannah Bell from her public school teaching position.
Then Pam Dawson and Anne Pritchett would pop up. It's like whack-a-mole.
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And yet you remain only marginally literate, or possibly suffering under the peculiar and cruel delusion that writing like e. e. cummings makes you appear intellectual. Amazing.
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:rotf: indeed. She has two Bouncy degrees.
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Definition #1 is mine. :-)
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Did anyone hear the clip on Rush of government union employees holding a pro-tax increase rally in Illinois?
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Did anyone hear the clip on Rush of government union employees holding a pro-tax increase rally in Illinois?
Yup. (http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,43229.msg473042.html#msg473042)
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We should raise taxes on government employees.
Mr. "Raise my taxes" should be happy with that.
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I'd like to whack all three of the moles then, Gobucks.
She claims that one of her masters is in "nutrition." Amazing we've lasted so long as a human race without one of those on every corner.
I didn't hear that, FGL. Can you give a brief recap?
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I'd like to whack all three of the moles then, Gobucks.
She claims that one of her masters is in "nutrition." Amazing we've lasted so long as a human race without one of those on every corner.
I didn't hear that, FGL. Can you give a brief recap?
They had a big pro-tax increase rally in Illinois, chanting "raise my taxes". All of them government union employees of course. Someone posted a link to a similar article after mine.
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Now Rush is playing a clip of a teacher saying "Where is da money? We need the cash, we need it fast"...
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Now Rush is playing a clip of a teacher saying "Where is da money? We need the cash, we need it fast"...
I'd love to see some sarcastic Republican legislator introduce a bill imposing a 15% surtax on public employee salaries in Illinois, and then release a statement that he was just trying to give them what they are asking for.
:-)
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I'd love to see some sarcastic Republican legislator introduce a bill imposing a 15% surtax on public employee salaries in Illinois, and then release a statement that he was just trying to give them what they are asking for.
:-)
That would be awesome. Isn't the GOP a pretty small minority though?
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Hey DUmmies...quick question for you.
Name one country that has ever taxes it's way into prosperity.
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Hey DUmmies...quick question for you.
Name one country that has ever taxes it's way into prosperity.
OOO OOO OOOO!! I KNOW I KNOW!!!!! Rome.
oh...wait... :banghead:
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That would be awesome. Isn't the GOP a pretty small minority though?
Not at all, downstate, but Chicago is the tail that wags the dog, just like NYC and the state of New York. Downstate IL is a lot redder than upstate NY, of course.
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These DUmmies careen further and further into the outreaches of insanity hourly. We will be able to fill an ocean with the amount of spittle that is spewn in november.
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These DUmmies careen further and further into the outreaches of insanity hourly. We will be able to fill an ocean with the amount of spittle that is spewn in november.
:hyper: Ooooooo!! Ooooooooo!! Ooooooooo!! Oooooooo!! The sea level's rising! The sea level is rising! All the polar bears will drown!! It's Gorebull Warming, I tell ya!! We need The Messiah to take our money and make the world safe for skittle shitting unicorns! [/DUmpmode]
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All of the "off with their heads...literally! Get the guillotine" language in that thread (and I read every word), got me to thinking that they are calling for the assassination or execution of the President of the United States of America. He and his wife reported 5 freakin million dollars on their tax return.
Nobody said a word.
ETA: And "obliterate" Sasha and Malia.
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It never ceases to amaze me that these people would rather live in a society where everyone is forced to be as low and poor as the the poorest and lowest of us all , rather than a society where anyone with ability can rise as high as their ability dictates.
They seethe with jealousy at the thought that someone somewhere might have more than them, regardless if that more is an accumulation of money or ability.
What a depressing and hopeless existence that must be.
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Tue Apr-20-10 03:05 AM
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88. god, you're clueless. printing money doesn't = "hyperinflation".
OMG the jaw dropping stupidity is beating the door down with this one. :banghead: :thatsright:
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It looks like the DUmmies may get their wish for higher taxes. Not only is Lord Zero talking about letting the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy expire, but he is considering letting all of the tax cuts expire. Also, the VAT tax is still hanging around.
Speaking of VAT, I read a post over there yesterday where all the DUmmies were claiming that Republican's just LOVE VAT. Bwaaahhaaaaa.
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OMG the jaw dropping stupidity is beating the door down with this one. :banghead: :thatsright:
wow. That's some deeply piled crap
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OMG the jaw dropping stupidity is beating the door down with this one. :banghead: :thatsright:
Apparently she's been taking classes from the Mugabe School of Economics. Pretty ****ed up when you have to revaluate your currency because the old currency couldn't fit all the zeroes on the paper money.
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I have yet to understand how raising Bill Gates' taxes makes my life any better....
Am I missing something, or is it them? :mental:
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I have yet to understand how raising Bill Gates' taxes makes my life any better....
Am I missing something, or is it them? :mental:
The bit you are missing out on is the "redistribution" phase (also known as dividing up the spoils) which comes after the theft, where the DUmmies expect to be large beneficiaries.
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Some of these DUmmies need to have a reality check and quick
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I have yet to understand how raising Bill Gates' taxes makes my life any better....
Am I missing something, or is it them?
All the democrat screaming "tax the rich", "prosecute the CEOs" has nothing to do with tax policy or improving the life of DUmbass democrats. It is purely an expression of class envy and hatred, promoted by the democrat party as one of its most powerful tools.
It's just like the old Russian proverb about a peasant complaining to the commissar that his neighbor Ivan has a mule, but he has none. The peasant knows he will never own a mule, and doesn't really want the responsibility, he just wants someone to kill Ivan's mule.
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Some of these DUmmies need to have a reality check and quick
It wouldn't matter if they got beaten by the clue-bat, they're not going to get it until they're being shoved into the ovens by their own.
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Apparently she's been taking classes from the Mugabe School of Economics. Pretty ****ed up when you have to revaluate your currency because the old currency couldn't fit all the zeroes on the paper money.
He might as well just switch to scientific notation, it'd save them a lot of effort on redesigning the currency again for the next revaluation a few months down the road.