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Title: 11 Boo must have watched "Hamburger Hill" again
Post by: Tucker on April 20, 2010, 07:59:22 AM
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11 Bravo  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Mon Apr-19-10 06:18 PM
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A little heads up for the Teabagger/Militia folks from one who once packed heat for Uncle Sam.
   
If you seriously believe that you are capable of going up against the United States government, I would urge you to put your affairs in order, because you will be swiftly and efficiently fragged, tagged, and bagged. The idea that a bunch of rag-tag, candy-ass, drunks believe they could stand up against even a platoon, let alone the full force of the US military is hysterically funny. You have no idea how stupid you appear, prancing through the woods in your cammo, to individuals who have seen real combat. Deal with it, ass-holes. The C-in-C is an African-American. He was democratically elected (in a landslide). All the rest of your whining is bullshit, and you lack even the rudimentary courage to state your true objection to our President.
**** it, I haven't worn a green suit for almost 40 years, but I just might re-up for a chance to put one in the ten ring of a few of you jackasses.

For those unfamiliar with 11B, his military resume' reads just like the movie "Hamburger Hill". He claims to have been in the same battles portrayed in the movie. Same time in country. Same Division; 101st Airborne.

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Warpy  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Mon Apr-19-10 06:26 PM
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3. Yeah, I always think of those old boys drunk to the gills
   
and waddling around in the woods with their pop guns coming up against a tank. Without air support.


It's you guys with the substance abuse problem.

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SalmonChantedEvening  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Mon Apr-19-10 06:40 PM
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11. A squad of fresh PFC's could do the job.
   
And not suffer a scrape.

A lot of similar posts. I'm reminded of chimps in a cage, hanging on the bars, flinging poop on each other.

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Old Troop  (133 posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Mon Apr-19-10 08:15 PM
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23. The militia folks are wannabes
   
Edited on Mon Apr-19-10 08:15 PM by Old Troop
As one 11B to another, it would take all of five minutes to clean out any of these groups. And never forget that the boys and girls on AD have sworn an oath to protect the constitution from all enemies foreign or DOMESTIC.

This is why that the military will turn on zero before any civilians.

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11 Bravo  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Mon Apr-19-10 08:28 PM
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26. 60 in January. And yeah, A Shau Valley, 70-71.


11B had to mention the plot of the movie, er, his service.

A lot of stupid at that camp fire.
Title: Re: 11 Boo must have watched "Hamburger Hill" again
Post by: NHSparky on April 20, 2010, 08:05:28 AM
Packed heat for Uncle Sam??  Shit, now all he needs to do is pull a gun on a sitting Senator and we've got the next TiT right there.
Title: Re: 11 Boo must have watched "Hamburger Hill" again
Post by: Carl on April 20, 2010, 08:17:13 AM
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He was democratically elected (in a landslide).


 :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:
Title: Re: 11 Boo must have watched "Hamburger Hill" again
Post by: Tucker on April 20, 2010, 08:19:12 AM
Packed heat for Uncle Sam??  Shit, now all he needs to do is pull a gun on a sitting Senator and we've got the next TiT right there.

He's been running his 101st line for years. It's a war movie, so the primitives haven't seen it to make the connection. The men at the DUmp prefer watching movies like "Love Story" and the women like movies similar to "Debbie does Dallas".
Title: Re: 11 Boo must have watched "Hamburger Hill" again
Post by: TheSarge on April 20, 2010, 08:55:54 AM
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The idea that a bunch of rag-tag, candy-ass, drunks believe they could stand up against even a platoon, let alone the full force of the US military is hysterically funny.

Tell that to the guys working for the KBR security teams or for Blackwater.
Title: Re: 11 Boo must have watched "Hamburger Hill" again
Post by: The Village Idiot on April 20, 2010, 08:55:59 AM
Wow. Pathetic.

How much of the regular military would actually fight for Obama against their own country?

And by the time it gets to that point anyway, these DUmmies would already be zombies without their entitlement checks.
Title: Re: 11 Boo must have watched "Hamburger Hill" again
Post by: TheSarge on April 20, 2010, 08:58:24 AM
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A Shau Valley, 70-71.

Correct me if I'm wrong...but I thought that Nixon had stopped the draft lottery by 1970?
Title: Re: 11 Boo must have watched "Hamburger Hill" again
Post by: Tucker on April 20, 2010, 09:16:18 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong...but I thought that Nixon had stopped the draft lottery by 1970?

I enlisted in 70. I had a number. I wasn't told that I could have volunteered my draft. Would have been two years instead of three. But then I would have been US and not RA. Those in the Army under a US tag got no slack.
Title: Re: 11 Boo must have watched "Hamburger Hill" again
Post by: DumbAss Tanker on April 20, 2010, 09:22:19 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong...but I thought that Nixon had stopped the draft lottery by 1970?

It actually didn't start much before that, I remember it came in while I was in high school to replace the previous system...my turn was in 1970 but I drew a number over 350, and the number called was already being reduced, they were only expecting to pull in up to something like number 90 that year (And that was with a heavy number of deferments, which were readily available including for students, merely keeping up a passing GPA would sustain the deferment).  I believe they continued to pull in some draftees for another year or two.  I don't recall meeting anyone who was actually still serving an initial draftee enlistment (2 years) by the time I enlisted in '75.  
Title: Re: 11 Boo must have watched "Hamburger Hill" again
Post by: blitzkrieg_17 on April 20, 2010, 09:32:20 AM
Another example of a primitive fantasizing while furiously beating his 1-inch 'member.' Not going to happen. And stop pretending to be a soldier, you piece of crap.
Title: Re: 11 Boo must have watched "Hamburger Hill" again
Post by: Odin's Hand on April 20, 2010, 09:57:20 AM
Great, another internet Recondo grad...
Title: Re: 11 Boo must have watched "Hamburger Hill" again
Post by: dandi on April 20, 2010, 09:59:05 AM
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11 Bravo  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Mon Apr-19-10 06:18 PM
Original message
A little heads up for the Teabagger/Militia folks from one who once packed heat for Uncle Sam.
   
If you seriously believe that you are capable of going up against the United States government, I would urge you to put your affairs in order, because you will be swiftly and efficiently fragged, tagged, and bagged. The idea that a bunch of rag-tag, candy-ass, drunks believe they could stand up against even a platoon, let alone the full force of the US military is hysterically funny. You have no idea how stupid you appear, prancing through the woods in your cammo, to individuals who have seen real combat.

You know, it's kind of funny, but I think that my ancestors heard this little speech (albeit in a bit of a different context) about 235 years ago.  Now, can anyone with more than 6 brain cells and at least one trip through an elementary school history class help this wanna be "killer" with how that particular disagreement turned out?

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Deal with it, ass-holes. The C-in-C is an African-American.

Wow, the oh-so-tolerant liberal brought race into this.  Who woulda thunk it?   :whatever:

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He was democratically elected (in a landslide).

A landslide?  Are you ****ing serious?!?

 :lmao:

Tell you what, assclown, if you really want to see what a "landslide" looks like, make sure you stay sober enough to watch the election returns this November.

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All the rest of your whining is bullshit, and you lack even the rudimentary courage to state your true objection to our President.

Oh, I have no problem whatsoever stating my true objection to the bolshevik in chief.  If you didn't get that clue, let me give you another - it has nothing to do with the color of his skin and everything to do with the content of his character.

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**** it, I haven't worn a green suit for almost 40 years, but I just might re-up for a chance to put one in the ten ring of a few of you jackasses.

Tell you what, ****head, why don't you skip the preening (you're not impressing anyone) and come meet me.  I'll be more than happy to give you all you can ****ing handle.
Title: Re: 11 Boo must have watched "Hamburger Hill" again
Post by: SSG Snuggle Bunny on April 20, 2010, 10:38:32 AM
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If you seriously believe that you are capable of going up against the United States government,...

This is where I stopped reading because no Tea Party group has spoken of such things. It's strictly the DUmmies puffin-up inside their own heads trying to rationalize why they are on the losing side of America's political debate.
Title: Re: 11 Boo must have watched "Hamburger Hill" again
Post by: JohnnyReb on April 20, 2010, 10:42:48 AM
I don't know about 11BooHoo, but the rednecks around here are smart enough not to try to go toe to toe with the military....and they would be sneaky as hell about how they did attack the US military. All us country boys know every hill, creek, gully, ditch, tree and back road for miles around. Action would be like the Swamp Fox of old, hit and run, hit and run.

But we don't want to shoot US service men and women....we want to shoot commies.
Title: Re: 11 Boo must have watched "Hamburger Hill" again
Post by: GOBUCKS on April 20, 2010, 10:58:13 AM
The DUmp is full of budding TiTs in the springtime.
Title: Re: 11 Boo must have watched "Hamburger Hill" again
Post by: Tucker on April 20, 2010, 10:59:22 AM
I don't know about 11BooHoo, but the rednecks around here are smart enough not to try to go toe to toe with the military....and they would be sneaky as hell about how they did attack the US military. All us country boys know every hill, creek, gully, ditch, tree and back road for miles around. Action would be like the Swamp Fox of old, hit and run, hit and run.

But we don't want to shoot US service men and women....we want to shoot commies.

That's just it. We would be brothers in arms with the military against the Zero in charge.
Title: Re: 11 Boo must have watched "Hamburger Hill" again
Post by: DumbAss Tanker on April 20, 2010, 11:11:47 AM
Things would have to be so broken down that the military itself was fragmented before things 11-Bozo is talking about would come to pass, of course that state of social disintegration is basically the scenario any intelligent militia types have in mind as the ultimate point where their ship comes in.

The Swamp Fox lived in a world where he had equivalent technology to his foe, plus superior local intelligence and mobility.  Today FLIR, UAVs, GPS, and satellite imagery, and Gen 3+ individual night vision make it damned near impossible to take on an intact US military force head-to-head and live through it for any militia types, but I doubt any of them that have a remote clue about modern combat are thinking along those lines.  There are clueless idiots all across the political spectrum, though, so no doubt there are a few dumb enough to try it.   
Title: Re: 11 Boo must have watched "Hamburger Hill" again
Post by: Zafod on April 20, 2010, 11:18:23 AM
good lord.....
Title: Re: 11 Boo must have watched "Hamburger Hill" again
Post by: TheSarge on April 20, 2010, 11:52:50 AM
good lord.....

My thought exactly.
Title: Re: 11 Boo must have watched "Hamburger Hill" again
Post by: The Village Idiot on April 20, 2010, 12:08:00 PM
  Today FLIR, UAVs, GPS, and satellite imagery, and Gen 3+ individual night vision make it damned near impossible to take on an intact US military force head-to-head and live through it for any militia types

They could take the time to read up on asymmetrical warfare
Title: Re: 11 Boo must have watched "Hamburger Hill" again
Post by: DumbAss Tanker on April 20, 2010, 12:17:08 PM
They could take the time to read up on asymmetrical warfare

Dude, at this point, the Army and Marines have so much more expertise in assymmetrical warfare than any militiamen do that it isn't even funny.
Title: Re: 11 Boo must have watched "Hamburger Hill" again
Post by: BlueStateSaint on April 20, 2010, 12:18:51 PM
Dude, at this point, the Army and Marines have so much more expertise in assymmetrical warfare than any militiamen do that it isn't even funny.

My thoughts exactly.  If anyone knows how to fight such a conflict, it's our armed forces.
Title: Re: 11 Boo must have watched "Hamburger Hill" again
Post by: The Village Idiot on April 20, 2010, 12:23:35 PM
What I think (hope) is, if TSHTF, half those regular Army guys will be on OUR side and not the governments.
Title: Re: 11 Boo must have watched "Hamburger Hill" again
Post by: dandi on April 20, 2010, 12:53:48 PM
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11 Bravo  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Mon Apr-19-10 08:28 PM
Response to Reply #24
26. 60 in January. And yeah, A Shau Valley, 70-71.

You know, it's not like this wet-mouthed DUmbass actually took part in the Battle for Hamburger Hill, that ended in May of 1969.
Title: Re: 11 Boo must have watched "Hamburger Hill" again
Post by: delilahmused on April 20, 2010, 12:54:27 PM
He's been running his 101st line for years. It's a war movie, so the primitives haven't seen it to make the connection. The men at the DUmp prefer watching movies like "Love Story" and the women like movies similar to "Debbie does Dallas".

Oh I doubt DUmmie wimmin watch porn, if they did they'd be happier because they'd have better sex lives, they'd shave (at least legs and underarms) because they'd see how much better it looks, and they'd take better care of themselves...maybe shower once in a while instead of dousing themselves in patchouli oil. There ain't one of those women who can hold a candle to Sasha Grey or Stormy Daniels (who has, evidently, recently become a republican).

Cindie
Title: Re: 11 Boo must have watched "Hamburger Hill" again
Post by: The Village Idiot on April 20, 2010, 12:59:26 PM
Stormy Daniels (who has, evidently, recently become a republican).

Like Arnold, Romney and Cris are Republican. Maybe she's a Michael Bloomberg/Log Cabin Republican?

She definitely isn't anyone I would associate with.
Title: Re: 11 Boo must have watched "Hamburger Hill" again
Post by: thundley4 on April 20, 2010, 01:04:43 PM
I read the book  "Unintended Consequences" last week during the 4 days without internet service.  They had the right idea about waging a "war" against the government.

 
Title: Re: 11 Boo must have watched "Hamburger Hill" again
Post by: DumbAss Tanker on April 20, 2010, 01:22:47 PM
I read the book  "Unintended Consequences" last week during the 4 days without internet service.  They had the right idea about waging a "war" against the government.

I haven't read it, and since fiction has a way of coming out to support the author's prejudices I'm leery of relying on such stories for any real-world reasoning.  However it is certainly possible to fight a successful internal war here, especially as long as the government remains concerned about collateral damage and at least the pretense of rule-of-law.  However it's not possible to fight it the way 11Bozo is talking about, unless the armed forces themselves have been totally fractured.  For some interesting theoretical military thought on how it could work, I highly recommend Googling the concept of 'Leaderless resistance' and perusing the results.
Title: Re: 11 Boo must have watched "Hamburger Hill" again
Post by: blitzkrieg_17 on April 20, 2010, 01:33:53 PM
I haven't read it, and since fiction has a way of coming out to support the author's prejudices I'm leery of relying on such stories for any real-world reasoning.  However it is certainly possible to fight a successful internal war here, especially as long as the government remains concerned about collateral damage and at least the pretense of rule-of-law.  However it's not possible to fight it the way 11Bozo is talking about, unless the armed forces themselves have been totally fractured.  For some interesting theoretical military thought on how it could work, I highly recommend Googling the concept of 'Leaderless resistance' and perusing the results.

I doubt 11Bravo served a day in the army. Regardless, his death threat can be traced back to him, and he may shit himself when the Feds come a callin'.
Title: Re: 11 Boo must have watched "Hamburger Hill" again
Post by: Karin on April 20, 2010, 02:31:39 PM
A DUmmie has a lame little fantasy.....

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azureblue (269 posts)      Tue Apr-20-10 11:05 AM
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107. I see the pix of them in public with their guns, and in practically all of them, I see easy ways to take their guns away from them- guns carried in quick draw hip holsters, rifles slung over the back with a nylon strap, not paying attention at all to who is around them. The majority of them, all it would take would be two people, no hitting or violence involved, just one for distraction and the other to grab the gun. The majority of the gun nuts think that merely carrying a gun will protect them from assault. No, dude, you're just inviting it, when a thug sizes you up and sees you as an easy target. If it wasn't for the danger of it, I would love to see a few lefties sneak up on one of the gun nuts and take their gun away from them, slap a peace sticker on their foreheads, dis- assemble the gun and hand it back to them in pieces, just to prove the point.
 

Sheer goofiness! 
Title: Re: 11 Boo must have watched "Hamburger Hill" again
Post by: BlueStateSaint on April 20, 2010, 02:40:07 PM
A DUmmie has a lame little fantasy.....

Sheer goofiness! 

It is lame.  The protestors in DC didn't have loaded firearms.  The protestors in Alexandria didn't have loaded handguns.  The rifles could easily have been loaded, legally, from what I've heard (and quite a few were, also according to what I heard).
Title: Re: 11 Boo must have watched "Hamburger Hill" again
Post by: ColonialMarine0431 on April 20, 2010, 02:47:30 PM
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A little heads up for the Teabagger/Militia folks from one who once packed heat for Uncle Sam.

Probably more like "sucked meat".

Turn off MSNBC and step away from the remote.
Title: Re: 11 Boo must have watched "Hamburger Hill" again
Post by: The Village Idiot on April 20, 2010, 02:49:48 PM
I like hamburger
Title: Re: 11 Boo must have watched "Hamburger Hill" again
Post by: Tucker on April 20, 2010, 02:50:47 PM
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azureblue (269 posts)      Tue Apr-20-10 11:05 AM
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107. I see the pix of them in public with their guns, and in practically all of them, I see easy ways to take their guns away from them- guns carried in quick draw hip holsters, rifles slung over the back with a nylon strap, not paying attention at all to who is around them. The majority of them, all it would take would be two people, no hitting or violence involved, just one for distraction and the other to grab the gun. The majority of the gun nuts think that merely carrying a gun will protect them from assault. No, dude, you're just inviting it, when a thug sizes you up and sees you as an easy target. If it wasn't for the danger of it, I would love to see a few lefties sneak up on one of the gun nuts and take their gun away from them, slap a peace sticker on their foreheads, dis- assemble the gun and hand it back to them in pieces, just to prove the point.

Be advised that in addition to the gun  I carry at the 4 O'clock position, I carry a Kahr P 380 in my pocket. If someone attempts to disarm me without legal authorization, they will get shot.
Title: Re: 11 Boo must have watched "Hamburger Hill" again
Post by: skipuno on April 20, 2010, 03:02:22 PM
I think things will have to get much worse before people even consider open conflict with the US government. If there ever was a second civil war, I think it would be like the last one, were many, including Robert E. Lee, left the US military to join the rebels.
Title: Re: 11 Boo must have watched "Hamburger Hill" again
Post by: Odin's Hand on April 20, 2010, 03:08:32 PM
A DUmmy coming up to CCW holder with ill-intent and an attempt at a menacing gait...one can only hope.
Title: Re: 11 Boo must have watched "Hamburger Hill" again
Post by: dandi on April 20, 2010, 03:25:02 PM
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azureblue (269 posts)      Tue Apr-20-10 11:05 AM
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107. The majority of the gun nuts think that merely carrying a gun will protect them from assault. No, dude, you're just inviting it, when a thug sizes you up and sees you as an easy target.

You can take that particular liberal propaganda point and stick it up your ass.

I have news for you, stupid - a thug seeing a firearm will normally think twice before pulling any kind of stupid shit.  A thug will think three times if they live somewhere concealed carry is legal.  Any one that doesn't very rapidly becomes a self correcting problem.

The only way you invite a benefactor of liberal policies to try and take your property/harm you is to live in a blue hell hole that disarms the general populace.

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If it wasn't for the danger of it...

Translation:  "If I didn't think for one second that unlawfully disarming a law abiding citizen wouldn't get me an express ticket to Hell..."

Funny thing, DUmbass, is that you'll think twice before attempting to disarm someone.  Sounds to me like a law abiding citizen, carrying their firearm, does not invite a "thug" (that would be you, DUmbass) to "assault" them.  Funny how that works, huh?   :whatever:

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I would love to see a few lefties sneak up on one of the gun nuts and take their gun away from them, slap a peace sticker on their foreheads, dis- assemble the gun and hand it back to them in pieces, just to prove the point.

You know, DUmbass, I would love to see them try that, too.  I really would.  Hell, I might even stand still for it.

I can't make any guarantees that my wife, who once packed heat for Uncle Sam, wouldn't fill your stupid asses full of military hardball, though...   ;)

Title: Re: 11 Boo must have watched "Hamburger Hill" again
Post by: ColonialMarine0431 on April 20, 2010, 03:31:50 PM
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**** it, I haven't worn a green suit for almost 40 years, but I just might re-up for a chance to put one in the ten ring of a few of you jackasses.


Can he produce a DD-214?
Title: Re: 11 Boo must have watched "Hamburger Hill" again
Post by: Odin's Hand on April 20, 2010, 03:36:04 PM
WTF is gramps going to "re-up" into? The AARP militia?
Title: Re: 11 Boo must have watched "Hamburger Hill" again
Post by: Tucker on April 20, 2010, 03:36:19 PM


Can he produce a DD-214?

Blowing gas. He's too old to re-up, even if, and it's a big if, he's a vet.

Edit to add: Damn Odin. We posted at the same time.
Title: Re: 11 Boo must have watched "Hamburger Hill" again
Post by: ColonialMarine0431 on April 20, 2010, 03:38:56 PM
Blowing gas. He's too old to re-up, even if, and it's a big if, he's a vet.

If he is a Vet, then we should pity him because clearly he's gone senile like John Murtha.
Title: Re: 11 Boo must have watched "Hamburger Hill" again
Post by: Zafod on April 20, 2010, 04:32:54 PM
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I haven't worn a green suit for almost 40 years, but I just might re-up for a chance to put one in the ten ring of a few of you jackasses. 

you better pack a lunch because you are gonna be busy with me all day boy.....
Title: Re: 11 Boo must have watched "Hamburger Hill" again
Post by: dandi on April 20, 2010, 04:51:10 PM
There's not going to be any general armed uprising in this country as long as there's an intact Constitution and a functioning ballot box. Obama has done a lot of things to piss off conservatives but unless there's mass starvation or a suspension of rights no significant group of people are going to take up arms against a duly elected leader. Perhaps the occasional lone nut or small group like we've seen throughout history will act up, but that's about it. The Tea Party and associated groups are about asserting rights and showing solidarity. Their bearing arms is nothing more than that same assertion of the Second Ammendment. Liberals have never seen activism by conservatives on such a scale and it has them scared shitless that the silent majority is silent no longer. They've found out that mass demonstration is no longer their sole province. This has thoroughly flustered them. How dare we speak up!

All this talk of widespread violence is nothing but a wet dream on the part of liberals who would like nothing better than to see their opponents shot down like dogs. We know this is their mindset. We've witnessed it a thousand times as they celebrate the deaths of conservative figures and root against our troops under fire. Being the craven cowards they are, they could never hope to do it themselves so they are left to fantasize about their ultimate hero, Big Government, doing it.

As DAT pointed out, by the time conditions degenerated to the point where we're facing armed insurrection, the military itself would face a schism. Even if it wasn't in disarray at the time, the spectre of firing on their own countrymen, which may include their own fathers, sons, brothers, or creating collateral damage which could injure or kill any one of their families, would certainly cause such a rift. DUmmies are so caught up in their own stereotyping of the military that they actually believe they would mindlessly and joyously proceed in dealing death to anyone, even their loved ones, in the name of the Constitution. In reality it is nothing more than a reflection of their own nihilistic world view.
Title: Re: 11 Boo must have watched "Hamburger Hill" again
Post by: Airwolf on April 20, 2010, 05:51:13 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong...but I thought that Nixon had stopped the draft lottery by 1970?

D'oooohhhhhh It says right here that the 101st operatons in the A Shau were in 1969. Guess it sucks when some one like me that was in the 101st knows his units history. In fact my unit Co C 3rd Bn 187h was one of the units nearly wiped out on Hamburger Hill.


In view of the heavy casualties already sustained in the battle, Zais seriously considered stopping the attack on Dong Ap Bia. Although he was under great pressure from the unwanted attention of the press, he decided to continue the fight. Both his corps commander Lieutenant General Stilwell and the MACV commander, General Creighton Abrams, backed him. He decided to commit three fresh battalions- the 2/50 1st Infantry, 2/3d Infantry (1st ARVN Division), and 2/506th Infantry. The 3/187th Infantry's casualties to this point were staggering. Not counting replacements, Alpha and Bravo Companies had lost 50 percent of their original strength, while Charlie and Delta Companies had lost 80 percent. Furthermore, two of the four original company commanders were casualties, as well as eight of twelve platoon leaders.17 Considering these crippling losses, Zais initially decided to relieve the 3/187th Infantry with the 2/506th Infantry. Honeycutt, however, demanded that Zais allow the Rakkasans to take the mountain, and the division commander relented.18



http://www.cc.gatech.edu/~tpilsch/AirOps/AShau.html
Title: Re: 11 Boo must have watched "Hamburger Hill" again
Post by: JohnnyReb on April 20, 2010, 05:55:55 PM
D'oooohhhhhh It says right here that the 101st operatons in the A Shau were in 1969. Guess it sucks when some one like me that was in the 101st knows his units history. In fact my unit CoC 1st Bn 187h was one of the units nearly wiped out on Hamburger Hill.


http://www.cc.gatech.edu/~tpilsch/AirOps/AShau.html

But the memory is burned into his brain, burned just like John Kerry.








They both have smoked some good shit....and it burned some stuff into their brain that didn't happen.
Title: Re: 11 Boo must have watched "Hamburger Hill" again
Post by: The Village Idiot on April 20, 2010, 05:59:30 PM
I think you mean seared.

Burned is for CD's and DVD's, not brains, brains are delicate.
Title: Re: 11 Boo must have watched "Hamburger Hill" again
Post by: JohnnyReb on April 20, 2010, 06:05:33 PM
I think you mean seared.

Burned is for CD's and DVD's, not brains, brains are delicate.

I know what Kerry said but I just thought burned was actually closer to the truth... as in a "burned out dopehead".
Title: Re: 11 Boo must have watched "Hamburger Hill" again
Post by: Tucker on April 20, 2010, 06:10:46 PM
D'oooohhhhhh It says right here that the 101st operatons in the A Shau were in 1969. Guess it sucks when some one like me that was in the 101st knows his units history. In fact my unit Co C 3rd Bn 187h was one of the units nearly wiped out on Hamburger Hill.


In view of the heavy casualties already sustained in the battle, Zais seriously considered stopping the attack on Dong Ap Bia. Although he was under great pressure from the unwanted attention of the press, he decided to continue the fight. Both his corps commander Lieutenant General Stilwell and the MACV commander, General Creighton Abrams, backed him. He decided to commit three fresh battalions- the 2/50 1st Infantry, 2/3d Infantry (1st ARVN Division), and 2/506th Infantry. The 3/187th Infantry's casualties to this point were staggering. Not counting replacements, Alpha and Bravo Companies had lost 50 percent of their original strength, while Charlie and Delta Companies had lost 80 percent. Furthermore, two of the four original company commanders were casualties, as well as eight of twelve platoon leaders.17 Considering these crippling losses, Zais initially decided to relieve the 3/187th Infantry with the 2/506th Infantry. Honeycutt, however, demanded that Zais allow the Rakkasans to take the mountain, and the division commander relented.18



http://www.cc.gatech.edu/~tpilsch/AirOps/AShau.html

You really shouldn't disclose detailed info. 11 Boo will incorporate it into his Walter Mitty persona. 
Title: Re: 11 Boo must have watched "Hamburger Hill" again
Post by: The Village Idiot on April 20, 2010, 06:11:26 PM
I know what Kerry said but I just thought burned was actually closer to the truth... as in a "burned out dopehead".

true dat
Title: Re: 11 Boo must have watched "Hamburger Hill" again
Post by: Tucker on April 20, 2010, 06:14:07 PM
I think you mean seared.

Burned is for CD's and DVD's, not brains, brains are delicate.

If you ask me, all the primitives fried their brain.
Title: Re: 11 Boo must have watched "Hamburger Hill" again
Post by: Carl on April 20, 2010, 06:28:15 PM
There's not going to be any general armed uprising in this country as long as there's an intact Constitution and a functioning ballot box. Obama has done a lot of things to piss off conservatives but unless there's mass starvation or a suspension of rights no significant group of people are going to take up arms against a duly elected leader. Perhaps the occasional lone nut or small group like we've seen throughout history will act up, but that's about it. The Tea Party and associated groups are about asserting rights and showing solidarity. Their bearing arms is nothing more than that same assertion of the Second Ammendment. Liberals have never seen activism by conservatives on such a scale and it has them scared shitless that the silent majority is silent no longer. They've found out that mass demonstration is no longer their sole province. This has thoroughly flustered them. How dare we speak up!

All this talk of widespread violence is nothing but a wet dream on the part of liberals who would like nothing better than to see their opponents shot down like dogs. We know this is their mindset. We've witnessed it a thousand times as they celebrate the deaths of conservative figures and root against our troops under fire. Being the craven cowards they are, they could never hope to do it themselves so they are left to fantasize about their ultimate hero, Big Government, doing it.

As DAT pointed out, by the time conditions degenerated to the point where we're facing armed insurrection, the military itself would face a schism. Even if it wasn't in disarray at the time, the spectre of firing on their own countrymen, which may include their own fathers, sons, brothers, or creating collateral damage which could injure or kill any one of their families, would certainly cause such a rift. DUmmies are so caught up in their own stereotyping of the military that they actually believe they would mindlessly and joyously proceed in dealing death to anyone, even their loved ones, in the name of the Constitution. In reality it is nothing more than a reflection of their own nihilistic world view.

Just damn....you always sum things up perfectly. :cheersmate:
Title: Re: 11 Boo must have watched "Hamburger Hill" again
Post by: diesel driver on April 20, 2010, 06:38:44 PM
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1 Bravo  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Mon Apr-19-10 06:18 PM
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A little heads up for the Teabagger/Militia folks from one who once packed heat for Uncle Sam.
  
If you seriously believe that you are capable of going up against the United States government, I would urge you to put your affairs in order, because you will be swiftly and efficiently fragged, tagged, and bagged. The idea that a bunch of rag-tag, candy-ass, drunks believe they could stand up against even a platoon, let alone the full force of the US military is hysterically funny. You have no idea how stupid you appear, prancing through the woods in your cammo, to individuals who have seen real combat. Deal with it, ass-holes. The C-in-C is an African-American. He was democratically elected (in a landslide). All the rest of your whining is bullshit, and you lack even the rudimentary courage to state your true objection to our President.
**** it, I haven't worn a green suit for almost 40 years, but I just might re-up for a chance to put one in the ten ring of a few of you jackasses.


I recall a certain Army General thinking and saying the same things one time in Montana, about 125 years ago....

I believe his name was Custer, and it was near the Little Bighorn River where he was heard muttering these famous words:  "WHERE IN THE HELL DID ALL THESE INDIANS COME FROM?"   :rotf:
Title: Re: 11 Boo must have watched "Hamburger Hill" again
Post by: NHSparky on April 20, 2010, 06:53:49 PM
Of course, in DUmpland, Stolen Valor is to be applauded and revered, not punished.
Title: Re: 11 Boo must have watched "Hamburger Hill" again
Post by: Tucker on April 20, 2010, 07:17:51 PM
That camp fire has burned out of control since this morning.

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26. 60 in January. And yeah, A Shau Valley, 70-71.

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pinboy3niner  Donating Member  (376 posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Tue Apr-20-10 11:21 AM
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113. Gotta be 101st, right?
   
Me, '69-'70, 2/501

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Aristus  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Mon Apr-19-10 08:26 PM
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25. Count me in with you, 11 Bang! Listen up, teabaggers. Former 19Kilo here!
   
Take up arms against MY country, and I'll go to President Obama that very day, and volunteer to saddle up in one of these:

Pic of M1A1Abrams.

...and come after your fat, drunken asses!

America! Love it or f*****g LEAVE it!

Go to Somalia, where they don't have taxes or government!

Stay the hell out of my country!

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hvn_nbr_2  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Mon Apr-19-10 09:10 PM
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35. Hey, quit picking on Walter Mitty! nt

I used this name earlier up thread. We've had visitors. Hey DUmmy's. :tongue:

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progressoid  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Mon Apr-19-10 10:05 PM
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40. Yep. But I don't think they read websites like this.
   
K/R anyway

Oh yes we do.

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Fumesucker  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Tue Apr-20-10 11:48 AM
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119. Now who is wishing for violence?
   
The kids shot at Kent State were unarmed, there is a difference between protest and armed insurrection.

Here is the mentality we are dealing with ..

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,982270...

(Rush Limbaugh) says. "I tell people don't kill all the liberals, leave enough around so we can have two on every campus; living fossils, so we will never forget what these people stood for."

 :bow:

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cherokeeprogressive  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Tue Apr-20-10 01:15 PM
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132. The thought of you fraggin', baggin', and taggin' after re-upping to shoot Americans in their
   
Edited on Tue Apr-20-10 01:16 PM by cherokeeprogressive
ten ring was funny yesterday. I pictured a 60 year old limping around tossing grenades and shooting at imaginary enemies while screaming "ya want some? come GET some!". Laughed... thought I'd die.

Today after reading the replies of those who cheer the notion of shooting other Americans? Well, not so much.

This Veteran thinks you're an ass for posting such tripe.

Dirty stinking freeper mole.

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mwrguy  (96 posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Tue Apr-20-10 03:04 PM
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144. OP should sponsor a militia gathering
   
Get them all in one spot, then BOOM!

We'll see how well a bunch of fat rednecks with rifles do against air strikes and artillery.

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spin  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Tue Apr-20-10 03:33 PM
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149. Your post is so disgusting that it doesn't deserve a reply ...
   
I don't support tea baggers or militia movements but the idea of sponsoring a gathering of U.S. citizens and then killing them with air strikes and artillery smells of Hitler's Germany.

Would the members of the military who perform the attacks also wear an emblem with two white oblique Sig Runes on black like the SS?

The worm has turned against the cellar dwellers.









Title: Re: 11 Boo must have watched "Hamburger Hill" again
Post by: Karin on April 21, 2010, 08:41:22 AM
Yes, what an interesting thread.  It begins with blood-thirsty fantasies of power and glory and a whoooole lot of testosterone.  It feeds the other impotent DUmmies and they boil to a froth of weaponry, superior firepower, and masculine conquest.   It simmers, and stinks up the place so bad that the peacenik nannies have to come in and scold, and make them sit in their corners, presumably with duncecaps on. 
Title: Re: 11 Boo must have watched "Hamburger Hill" again
Post by: JohnnyReb on April 21, 2010, 09:02:38 AM
Yes, what an interesting thread.  It begins with blood-thirsty fantasies of power and glory and a whoooole lot of testosterone.  It feeds the other impotent DUmmies and they boil to a froth of weaponry, superior firepower, and masculine conquest.   It simmers, and stinks up the place so bad that the peacenik nannies have to come in and scold, and make them sit in their corners, presumably with duncecaps on. 

Yes, but it's all "virtual testosterone".
Title: Re: 11 Boo must have watched "Hamburger Hill" again
Post by: BlueStateSaint on April 21, 2010, 09:31:52 AM
Yes, but it's all "virtual testosterone".

Kinda like "healing white light." :-)
Title: Re: 11 Boo must have watched "Hamburger Hill" again
Post by: NHSparky on April 21, 2010, 11:15:21 AM
Maybe if they all showed us pictures of their hands we would all see the error of our ways, and fall in behind Dear Leader like good dutiful liberal sheeple.
Title: Re: 11 Boo must have watched "Hamburger Hill" again
Post by: DumbAss Tanker on April 21, 2010, 11:19:33 AM
I do have to give some props to the Nanny-DUers scolding all the TiTs-in-Traing (TiTiTs, for short), no matter how bizarre their view of the world may be, they are at least being internally consistent about it.
Title: Re: 11 Boo must have watched "Hamburger Hill" again
Post by: Karin on April 21, 2010, 12:32:01 PM
This is a little long, but worth reading, I think.  Cherokee & the OP got into it:

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cherokeeprogressive  (1000+ posts)        Tue Apr-20-10 10:51 PM
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178. Of which "threats" do you speak?
 Edited on Tue Apr-20-10 11:21 PM by cherokeeprogressive
Are you saying that there have been OVERT threats that armed insurrection will be used against the United States government? Really? Since you made the claim, could you point me to a single instance of such a threat? And don't tell me to read anything into the words they use. I'm talking about a real language threat. Individuals threatening armed insurrection against the legitimate government of the United States should be... arrested or at the very least questioned. That's what they should be. Until the first shot is fired, it's merely a law enforcement issue.

I'm actually surprised that a combat hardened individual such as yourself would get in such a tiff over a bunch of rag-tag, candy-ass drunks, prancing through the woods in their camo, who could be squashed by a single platoon. I don't know... maybe you figured some tough talk from a combat hardened soldier was what was needed in this instance and would set the whole situation to right. You sure are putting a lot of stock in something I find to be more of a nuisance than anything else though.

In spite of all your bluster, the situation is thus: Until a shot is fired, they are nothing more than American citizens with a different opinion than ours. Until a shot is fired, no fragging, tagging, or bagging is warranted. No treason or sedition has occurred. No one has broken any law that hasn't been held accountable for breaking said law. None of you Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, or Marines who haven't put on a uniform in nearly four decades need to worry about re-upping in an effort to save the Republic from a bunch of rag-tag, candy-assed drunks who prance through the woods in their camo, and could be squashed by a single platoon. In fact, there isn't even reason to go to the range and practice putting rounds in the ten ring because these fools pose no real danger other than shooting themselves in the foot or accidentally hitting an innocent person with a stray bullet due to their relative inexperience with firearms compared to the likes of you. And THAT, my friend, is nothing more than a law enforcement issue. I recited the same ****ing oath you did, and in the case you outlined, I don't believe fragging, bagging, tagging, and putting rounds into the ten rings of American citizens is warranted.

The boogeymen will not hurt you. Barack Obama is every Americans president. My sweaty fantasies do not involve things like combat, fragging, bagging and tagging, or rounds in ten rings. Those statements are all true. Accept them.


This is the last word so far:

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PavePusher (1000+ posts)      Tue Apr-20-10 10:58 PM
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179. The openly displayed bigotry and rage in this thread...
 dwarfs anything I've seen at Tea Party rallies.

Pretty ****ing disgusting coming from the party that claims to be more enlightened and inclusive than the opposition.

I am ashamed for all of us.
Title: Re: 11 Boo must have watched "Hamburger Hill" again
Post by: SSG Snuggle Bunny on April 22, 2010, 10:26:23 AM
Ya know...

..I wish to recall to everyone's memory how these liberal jack-holes preened and whined that jihadists could not be beaten. They crowed for years on end that guerilla wars cannot be wone. Ideological foes, we were told, we far too motivated and that their primitive means of conducting warfare made them too nimble and evasive for a set-piece military to engage.

We were told--with subdued tones of triumphalism--that the US military could never beat such an enemy. We were throwing away the lives of young men and women in Iraq and Asscrackistan. Hajji had us dead to rights and the war would take too long to endure the waning willpower of the American people (no mention of the fact that the treasonous hippy shitbags did everything they could to sap that will).

Now, suddenly the US military is hyper-cometent and capable of swiftly ending these rogue ideologue elements.

Nevermind the fact that your average Tea Partier is a helluva lot better armed and educated than hajji ever hopes to be.

Nevermind the fact that sprawling America ain't the confined, sparse terrain of Iraq.

Nevermind te fact that the military has a lot more in common with the TP than shitbag traitorous hippies who call them mind-numbed, incompetent, occupying war criminals.

Straighten out your memes you assholes.   :bird:
Title: Re: 11 Boo must have watched "Hamburger Hill" again
Post by: TheSarge on April 22, 2010, 02:16:48 PM
Ya know...

..I wish to recall to everyone's memory how these liberal jack-holes preened and whined that jihadists could not be beaten. They crowed for years on end that guerilla wars cannot be wone. Ideological foes, we were told, we far too motivated and that their primitive means of conducting warfare made them too nimble and evasive for a set-piece military to engage.

We were told--with subdued tones of triumphalism--that the US military could never beat such an enemy. We were throwing away the lives of young men and women in Iraq and Asscrackistan. Hajji had us dead to rights and the war would take too long to endure the waning willpower of the American people (no mention of the fact that the treasonous hippy shitbags did everything they could to sap that will).

Now, suddenly the US military is hyper-cometent and capable of swiftly ending these rogue ideologue elements.

Nevermind the fact that your average Tea Partier is a helluva lot better armed and educated than hajji ever hopes to be.

Nevermind the fact that sprawling America ain't the confined, sparse terrain of Iraq.

Nevermind te fact that the military has a lot more in common with the TP than shitbag traitorous hippies who call them mind-numbed, incompetent, occupying war criminals.

Straighten out your memes you assholes.   :bird:

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