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The Bar => The Lounge => Topic started by: mamacags on March 16, 2008, 09:57:26 PM
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I highly recommend it! They showed part 1 & 2 tonight and it was so well done! I think it should be required watching for every American. :popcorn:
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I heard an interview with the director on the radio today. Paul Giamatti is John Adams.
Or, you could just read the book. :-)
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Well, if it ever arrives to dvd, I might get it. So far, I've heard a few raves from some friends.
John Adams is an ancestor on my maternal grandmother's side. :)
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Or, you could just read the book. :-)
Book was excellent. I forgot this was on last night. Will catch it on HBO on demand my cable offers.
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What part talks about his brother Sam and the beer?
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Sam Adams, was in Part 1, he played a main part in it. There is a very VERY disturbing scene of a tarring and feathering in part one. I almost hurled. :bawl:
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I'll have to rent the series when HBO is done with it. It does look very good, and I think Paul Giamanti is a fairly good actor.. I just hope HBO doesn't put a lib revisionist spin on it.
And yes, Sam Adams and a few others did tar and feather some British guards. It's historical fact.
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It was wonderful! I had to watch part one afterwards because I missed it.
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I am thoroughly enjoying it too , Mama :cheersmate:
I REALLY like Paul Giamatti.
ALS is right though, about a possible liberal spin being put on it....Tom Hanks is the producer.
I posted a thread where I mentioned this series, in General Discussion, because I was spitting nails about the movie, "Recount" :whatever: :lmao: They were promoting this movie right before the pilot episode of JA.
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Tom Hanks produced Band of Brothers too. As far as I could tell there was no spin in the movie at all in either direction. I wish so badly now that I could go back in time and meet Thomas Jefferson and Ben Franklin.
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Tom Hanks produced Band of Brothers too. As far as I could tell there was no spin in the movie at all in either direction. I wish so badly now that I could go back in time and meet Thomas Jefferson and Ben Franklin.
You're right about Band of Brothers :thatsright:, and that too was excellent.
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I read David McCullough's book, John Adams. It was excellent. I don't have HBO, so I'll see it when it's available on dvd.
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was there a massive amount of cursing in it, as there is in every other historical drama HBO puts out?
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was there a massive amount of cursing in it, as there is in every other historical drama HBO puts out?
um, no. it's an historical drama. the language is pretty much lifted from the times. there is some full frontal male nudity for a brief moment when they tar and feather the guy. the tarring looked pretty intense.
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It isn't Deadwood it is John Adams. Last I heard John Adams didn't call Tommy Jefferson a c**Ksucker much. :whatever:
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It isn't Deadwood it is John Adams. Last I heard John Adams didn't call Tommy Jefferson a c**Ksucker much. :whatever:
Well, maybe he should have!
:-)
I just saw Giamatti in Shoot 'Em Up.
It really hurts to be so profoundy disappointed in a film for which you held such low expectations. I knew it would be campy and tongue-in-cheek bt it really failed even in that regard.
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It isn't Deadwood it is John Adams. Last I heard John Adams didn't call Tommy Jefferson a c**Ksucker much. :whatever:
Well, maybe he should have!
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I just saw Giamatti in Shoot 'Em Up.
It really hurts to be so profoundy disappointed in a film for which you held such low expectations. I knew it would be campy and tongue-in-cheek bt it really failed even in that regard.
I LOVED that movie!!!!!!! I thought the action was so cool!
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Speaking of Deadwood, I had a hard time with that one, but I plan on getting to it one of these days...er, nights, when the kids are in bed ASLEEP.
Tom Hanks also produces the show Big Love (which should be due to start back up soon here) , and that doesn't have a whole lot of cussing in it.
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It isn't Deadwood it is John Adams. Last I heard John Adams didn't call Tommy Jefferson a c**Ksucker much. :whatever:
Well, maybe he should have!
:-)
I just saw Giamatti in Shoot 'Em Up.
It really hurts to be so profoundy disappointed in a film for which you held such low expectations. I knew it would be campy and tongue-in-cheek bt it really failed even in that regard.
it was supposed to spoof action films. It was not meant to be taken seriously at all.
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Heard about it. unless I get a pirated version...will have to wait for DVD. No HBO...it mostly sucks.
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it was supposed to spoof action films. It was not meant to be taken seriously at all.
Such a brilliant observation right after I had just finished writing, "I knew it would be campy and tongue-in-cheek ..."
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it was supposed to spoof action films. It was not meant to be taken seriously at all.
Such a brilliant observation right after I had just finished writing, "I knew it would be campy and tongue-in-cheek ..."
then why were you disappointed? it did exactly what it set out to do.
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It isn't Deadwood it is John Adams. Last I heard John Adams didn't call Tommy Jefferson a c**Ksucker much. :whatever:
ever seen "Rome" on HBO?
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It isn't Deadwood it is John Adams. Last I heard John Adams didn't call Tommy Jefferson a c**Ksucker much. :whatever:
ever seen "Rome" on HBO?
A great show. I'm really dissapointed they didn't do the third season.
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So far John Adams has been excellent. One historical glitch is the trial of the British soldiers. Cpt. Preston was tried seperately and before the soldiers. I'm sure they put them all in the same trial in the movie for dramatic effect and to save time. It is still a highly entertaining mini series.
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john adams is one of my favorite historical figures, and so far this series is painting a disappointing portrait of a very complex man.
and the fact that the utterly dysfunctional "I am not drinking ****ing merlot" guy from Sideways is playing the part of adams isn't helping matters very much.
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^we can't stop calling him "pig vomit". :-)
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I highly recommend it! They showed part 1 & 2 tonight and it was so well done! I think it should be required watching for every American. :popcorn:
I caught it. I'm looking forward to seeing the rest of it.
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I caught it last night from reading the reviews here. I'm hooked.
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I caught it last night from reading the reviews here. I'm hooked.
the miniseries doesn't do justice to the man, or the period, or the book.
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I caught it last night from reading the reviews here. I'm hooked.
the miniseries doesn't do justice to the man, or the period, or the book.
I'd like to hear what you believe the miniseries could have done better. I don't know much about John Adams so you have me intrigued.
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I caught it last night from reading the reviews here. I'm hooked.
the miniseries doesn't do justice to the man, or the period, or the book.
I'd like to hear what you believe the miniseries could have done better. I don't know much about John Adams so you have me intrigued.
first of all, I wouldn't have started with the boston massacre. he was (iirc) nearly 40 at the time; surely some sense of his formative years was in order before we plunge headlong into the precipitating crisis of the revolution. adams was the preeminent high federalist of his day, and the tension between he and the jeffersonian faction had already begun. by the time the election of 1800 rolls around, the presidential campaign that gave birth to political parties (more or less) as we understand them today, there is no way anyone will be able to make any sense of what the essence of the disagreement was about in the first place.
harry truman got better treatment (a full length movie) and a better actor portraying him (gary sinise). adams was an outstanding president in extraordinarily interesting and difficult times, who just happened to have the misfortune of being president after george washington. anyone would have suffered by comparison. think of The Almighty being your warmup act.
I suppose it is generally a good thing that people are watching, but adams is a favorite of mine, and he just isn't getting the treatment that I think he is due.
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I caught it last night from reading the reviews here. I'm hooked.
the miniseries doesn't do justice to the man, or the period, or the book.
I'd like to hear what you believe the miniseries could have done better. I don't know much about John Adams so you have me intrigued.
first of all, I wouldn't have started with the boston massacre. he was (iirc) nearly 40 at the time; surely some sense of his formative years was in order before we plunge headlong into the precipitating crisis of the revolution. adams was the preeminent high federalist of his day, and the tension between he and the jeffersonian faction had already begun. by the time the election of 1800 rolls around, the presidential campaign that gave birth to political parties (more or less) as we understand them today, there is no way anyone will be able to make any sense of what the essence of the disagreement was about in the first place.
harry truman got better treatment (a full length movie) and a better actor portraying him (gary sinise). adams was an outstanding president in extraordinarily interesting and difficult times, who just happened to have the misfortune of being president after george washington. anyone would have suffered by comparison. think of The Almighty being your warmup act.
I suppose it is generally a good thing that people are watching, but adams is a favorite of mine, and he just isn't getting the treatment that I think he is due.
Maybe the miniseries will make people more interested in Adams and in turn they will pick up a book or two about the man. I read "Benjamin Franklin: An American Life" about a year ago and this series about Adams makes me want to know more about the man.
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We are so getting HBO
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We are so getting HBO
better hurry. it's only a 7 part series. :-)
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We are so getting HBO
better hurry. it's only a 7 part series. :-)
It'll be On Demand.
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I caught it last night from reading the reviews here. I'm hooked.
the miniseries doesn't do justice to the man, or the period, or the book.
I'd like to hear what you believe the miniseries could have done better. I don't know much about John Adams so you have me intrigued.
first of all, I wouldn't have started with the boston massacre. he was (iirc) nearly 40 at the time; surely some sense of his formative years was in order before we plunge headlong into the precipitating crisis of the revolution. adams was the preeminent high federalist of his day, and the tension between he and the jeffersonian faction had already begun. by the time the election of 1800 rolls around, the presidential campaign that gave birth to political parties (more or less) as we understand them today, there is no way anyone will be able to make any sense of what the essence of the disagreement was about in the first place.
harry truman got better treatment (a full length movie) and a better actor portraying him (gary sinise). adams was an outstanding president in extraordinarily interesting and difficult times, who just happened to have the misfortune of being president after george washington. anyone would have suffered by comparison. think of The Almighty being your warmup act.
I suppose it is generally a good thing that people are watching, but adams is a favorite of mine, and he just isn't getting the treatment that I think he is due.
Maybe the miniseries will make people more interested in Adams and in turn they will pick up a book or two about the man. I read "Benjamin Franklin: An American Life" about a year ago and this series about Adams makes me want to know more about the man.
I think you're right, BEG. Just watching this, John Adams, is making me want to learn more about Benjamin Franklin as well, because of his depiction in this.
When I "see" Thomas Jefferson too, I am thinkging, "WOW!"
For me, there is just something VERY mystifying, VERY powerful, almost God-like about our Forfathers.
I am also loving Abigail Adams. I want to know more about her, too!
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^I was thinking the same things! Of course my idea of a fun weekend is going to Mount Vernon or Monticello.
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^I was thinking the same things! Of course my idea of a fun weekend is going to Mount Vernon or Monticello.
I have been to colonial Williamsburg SO many time, as a kid though, when it really didn't mean anything. Now I want to go.
And, I insist that our next family vacation be taken at DC, because my son is the perfect age for it to have a lasting impact on him. I went when I was his age, and I will never forget it.
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Yes, you have to!!! And let me know!!!
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^I was thinking the same things! Of course my idea of a fun weekend is going to Mount Vernon or Monticello.
monticello sucks, as did jefferson.
I think if we were to trace back our political heritage, we would be more comfortable with adams, and the high federalists.
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episode three comes on at 9PM eastern time.
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episode three comes on at 9PM eastern time.
I watched, did you?
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^I was thinking the same things! Of course my idea of a fun weekend is going to Mount Vernon or Monticello.
monticello sucks, as did jefferson.
I think if we were to trace back our political heritage, we would be more comfortable with adams, and the high federalists.
Jefferson did suck but Monticello is very beautiful.
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Hey Mama, and you other John Adams watchers, tell me what you thought of last night's episode.
IMO summation, it was good, and I actually liked the way that he handled the French. Naturally it pissed them off, but Franklin didn't seem to be doing too much other than soaking up all the French frivolities. Adams didn't give a rip about that, he was there to DO business and get it done.
By the time Adams got there and was told by Franklin that there was a treaty, Adams was pretty ticked about that, having travelled all that way, and then he discovered what the "treaty" was...which is why he didn't fall for it. He didn't to replace one master for another. There seemed to be a fight for political power between Adams and Franklin, and Franklin got to the Congress and swayed their opinion of him.
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episode three comes on at 9PM eastern time.
I watched, did you?
I watched it, of course. a couple of times. :-) I watched the first two episodes, usually broadcast back-to-back, every time I noticed them on HBO last week . . . and they were on a LOT. fortunately, the rebroadcast of this past season's chargers @ packers game on the NFL network was over by 9 last night, or I would have had a difficult decision to make.
this one drug a bit, I though. I don't remember the drama on the voyage to france. I don't remember abigail being that distraught by him leaving for france. I do remember the french playing us against the british. an awful lot happened in those three years in europe that was worth exploration, but didn't seem to make it into the show. I hope they develop john quincy adams' character more deeply in the later episodes.
I noticed that "the making of john adams" was someplace else on HBO sunday night, and it was at least as interesting as the actual show. there was a lot of input from mccullough in the production of this series; a lot more than perhaps I suspected.
I think my biggest problem with the thing is that the actor playing adams is such a tool.
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Oh, I actually really like Paul Giamatti :hyper:
So, Adams' time in Europe was supposed to be over a THREE year span??? If so, they are doing a piss poor job showing the time lapse, because the children aren't even looking even older, and I wish they would just display the date on the screen like they do in more of the docudramas.
I too thought the first 2 episodes were much more rivetting. I teared up when they shot the cannons when they publicly declared our independence, but that is just me and my jingoistic self :-)
I now expect JA and BF to have a severe riff between each other.
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Oh, I actually really like Paul Giamatti :hyper:
So, Adams' time in Europe was supposed to be over a THREE year span??? If so, they are doing a piss poor job showing the time lapse, because the children aren't even looking even older, and I wish they would just display the date on the screen like they do in more of the docudramas.
I too thought the first 2 episodes were much more rivetting. I teared up when they shot the cannons when they publicly declared our independence, but that is just me and my jingoistic self :-)
I now expect JA and BF to have a severe riff between each other.
the rift between franklin and adams is overblown, IMO. the rift that is coming between jefferson and adams can't be overblown. i am interested in seeing how they will handle his one term in the white house, and the election of 1800. and the truly heartrending way in which adams and jefferson reconciled later in life will need a very delicate touch.
they both died in the 50th anniversary of the signing of the declaration of independence.
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Ok, I've "tried" to watch it.
If they could bottle that show, they could put Sominex out of business.
if you only caught the last one, I thought it was a coma inducing member of the barbiturate family as well.
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Ok, I've "tried" to watch it.
If they could bottle that show, they could put Sominex out of business.
People have complained about the cinematography at the HBO site. I don't know WHY they chose to do this.
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Well I loved it. I was sad that I have to wait another week for the next part.
I was hoping they would get it "right" in terms of historical accuracy and that they would properly explore every detail. So much can fall victim to editing and time. I really need to brush up on Adams though.
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Well I loved it. I was sad that I have to wait another week for the next part.
I was hoping they would get it "right" in terms of historical accuracy and that they would properly explore every detail. So much can fall victim to editing and time. I really need to brush up on Adams though.
Me too, I can't wait, either :hyper:
They really could have done this up right and made it much longer than just 7 episodes.
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^That's what I kept thinking. I also kept hoping that it would do so well that they would produce other similar shows.
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I missed half of it. Our TV is broken and we don't get the new one until tomorrow. I was shocked at what a douche Ben Franklin was made to look like. I have no idea if he was like that in real life. Also, the French!!!!!!!! What the hell was/is wrong with them? Did they not know how retarded they all looked and acted? I love Abigail Adams and want to read so much more about her!
I am going to rewatch it tomorrow when I can actually see the show.
P.S. Which is bigger, John Adams balls in France or the width of the Grand Canyon? Discuss.......
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Some of that came from the book. McCullough portrays Franklin as an "honorary" ambassador to France. I think he was pretty old at the time and didn't do much while he was there.
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An inlaw was talking it up at Easter dinner so I downloaded the first 3 episodes. I'll watch them on the train this week. I hear it's great too.
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Also, the French!!!!!!!! What the hell was/is wrong with them?
Um, they're French?
:lmao:
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I think we'd be shocked to learn how human (and full of faults) our Founding Fathers really were. We're so accustomed to what our schoolbooks tell us. And even bios we read on our own. You really have to dig and read multiple sources. Ben Franklin was a scamp!! A brilliant man, but a scamp nonetheless.
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I think we'd be shocked to learn how human (and full of faults) our Founding Fathers really were. We're so accustomed to what our schoolbooks tell us. And even bios we read on our own. You really have to dig and read multiple sources. Ben Franklin was a scamp!! A brilliant man, but a scamp nonetheless.
no kidding. the way he discovered electricity had nothing to do with a kite. :wink:
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An inlaw was talking it up at Easter dinner so I downloaded the first 3 episodes. I'll watch them on the train this week. I hear it's great too.
OMG, watching this on a train really might make you :puke:
Be prepared :-)
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P.S. Which is bigger, John Adams balls in France or the width of the Grand Canyon? Discuss.......
:rotf:
I thought he was great, although that won't get you want from someone...when you are at their mercy, but I still loved how he dealt with them, all the same.
At the beginning of the show when JA is breaking the news to his wife that he has to go to France, Abigail tells him that this is Franklin's deal to be handling. So Congress sent JA there, to get it done, because Franklin wasn't cutting the mustard. His foul mood was already set off by Franklin himself...who was there just lapping everything there up. I guess that was JA under a lot of pressure...pressure from his wife to not leave her, pressure from having his son there with him, annoyed from making that long trip on that festering ship, only to be told whimsically by Franklin upon his arrival that there was a treaty, only to find out that the "treaty" served France more than it did America...and replaced Britain's strongarm on America for themselves. Then on top of all that, Franklin was sleeping with their whores and encouraging him to do the same, and he wanted NO part of that. He was on a mission to serve his country and that was that. I guess we got to see JA pissed off. I can sure see why. Now that France is what it is, it just made me laugh...and King Louis was quite the smarmy little :censored: too, now wasn't he?
In this last episode, we got to see more of JA's and BF's failings.
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episode 4 (I think) is on HBO in 10 minutes.
on edit:
john and abigail reunite in paris; adams goes to london as america's first
minister to britain; john must deal with family concerns upon his return to
boston.
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I heard an interview with the director on the radio today. Paul Giamatti is John Adams.
Or, you could just read the book. :-)
I am turning into quite a Paul Giamttie fan of late... even the stupid stuff he has done, he's just very gifted with timing.
Anyway, I will read the thread but where can people see it who dont have HBO? I'm assuming it will come out in DVD format soon?
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Well, if it ever arrives to dvd, I might get it. So far, I've heard a few raves from some friends.
John Adams is an ancestor on my maternal grandmother's side. :)
that's cool ACC! i am a daughter of the revolution, a DAR but i dont really know what it means.. :-)
and Ive heard only good reviews of it so far... the DUmmies have a thread over there about "is this historically accurrate? [cause if so, we are on the wrong side!}
the whole thread was "its a bunch of racist shit.." and "they wouldnt know the truth if it bit them on their stupid racist asses..." and so on.. they really think its all untrue.
the author of the book said it was a great movie and very true to the book.. maybe the book would indeed be better. hmm... choices, choices.. :popcorn:
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I heard an interview with the director on the radio today. Paul Giamatti is John Adams.
Or, you could just read the book. :-)
I am turning into quite a Paul Giamttie fan of late... even the stupid stuff he has done, he's just very gifted with timing.
Anyway, I will read the thread but where can people see it who dont have HBO? I'm assuming it will come out in DVD format soon?
I assume that sooner or later, something will be available here (http://www.hbo.com/films/johnadams/). and giamatti will always be the merlot guy to me.
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Well, if it ever arrives to dvd, I might get it. So far, I've heard a few raves from some friends.
John Adams is an ancestor on my maternal grandmother's side. :)
that's cool ACC! i am a daughter of the revolution, a DAR but i dont really know what it means.. :-)
and Ive heard only good reviews of it so far... the DUmmies have a thread over there about "is this historically accurrate? [cause if so, we are on the wrong side!}
the whole thread was "its a bunch of racist shit.." and "they wouldnt know the truth if it bit them on their stupid racist asses..." and so on.. they really think its all untrue.
the author of the book said it was a great movie and very true to the book.. maybe the book would indeed be better. hmm... choices, choices.. :popcorn:
there is a "making of john adams" on HBO as well, and in it, mccullough literally raves about the series; especially about it's historical accuracy and fidelity to the book.
I haven't seen the DUmmie thread; I will have to look that one up. :-)
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I heard an interview with the director on the radio today. Paul Giamatti is John Adams.
Or, you could just read the book. :-)
I am turning into quite a Paul Giamttie fan of late... even the stupid stuff he has done, he's just very gifted with timing.
Anyway, I will read the thread but where can people see it who dont have HBO? I'm assuming it will come out in DVD format soon?
I assume that sooner or later, something will be available here (http://www.hbo.com/films/johnadams/). and giamatti will always be the merlot guy to me.
best.movie.ever. :popcorn: <-- me watching Paul Giametti ..
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Well, if it ever arrives to dvd, I might get it. So far, I've heard a few raves from some friends.
John Adams is an ancestor on my maternal grandmother's side. :)
that's cool ACC! i am a daughter of the revolution, a DAR but i dont really know what it means.. :-)
and Ive heard only good reviews of it so far... the DUmmies have a thread over there about "is this historically accurrate? [cause if so, we are on the wrong side!}
the whole thread was "its a bunch of racist shit.." and "they wouldnt know the truth if it bit them on their stupid racist asses..." and so on.. they really think its all untrue.
the author of the book said it was a great movie and very true to the book.. maybe the book would indeed be better. hmm... choices, choices.. :popcorn:
there is a "making of john adams" on HBO as well, and in it, mccullough literally raves about the series; especially about it's historical accuracy and fidelity to the book.
I haven't seen the DUmmie thread; I will have to look that one up. :-)
i was surfing around last night.. that one popped up right away cause i really want to see the series, but had no idea the DUmmies even paid attention to actual truthful stuff.
who knew? :-)
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I heard an interview with the director on the radio today. Paul Giamatti is John Adams.
Or, you could just read the book. :-)
I am turning into quite a Paul Giamttie fan of late... even the stupid stuff he has done, he's just very gifted with timing.
Anyway, I will read the thread but where can people see it who dont have HBO? I'm assuming it will come out in DVD format soon?
I assume that sooner or later, something will be available here (http://www.hbo.com/films/johnadams/). and giamatti will always be the merlot guy to me.
best.movie.ever. :popcorn: <-- me watching Paul Giametti ..
that move left me . . . I dunno . . . unsettled, I guess? the guy's life was just such a disaster. although the wallet scene and the wrecking the car scene were hilarious.
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I heard an interview with the director on the radio today. Paul Giamatti is John Adams.
Or, you could just read the book. :-)
I am turning into quite a Paul Giamttie fan of late... even the stupid stuff he has done, he's just very gifted with timing.
Anyway, I will read the thread but where can people see it who dont have HBO? I'm assuming it will come out in DVD format soon?
it is available for purchase now. I found it here (http://store.hbo.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3055465&cid=&gclid=CKKqx6eatpICFSQCkgodJ2sENw), but it doesn't appear to be available for shipment until june 10 . . . after the broadcast of the miniseries has concluded, I assume.
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Well, if it ever arrives to dvd, I might get it. So far, I've heard a few raves from some friends.
John Adams is an ancestor on my maternal grandmother's side. :)
that's cool ACC! i am a daughter of the revolution, a DAR but i dont really know what it means.. :-)
and Ive heard only good reviews of it so far... the DUmmies have a thread over there about "is this historically accurrate? [cause if so, we are on the wrong side!}
the whole thread was "its a bunch of racist shit.." and "they wouldnt know the truth if it bit them on their stupid racist asses..." and so on.. they really think its all untrue.
the author of the book said it was a great movie and very true to the book.. maybe the book would indeed be better. hmm... choices, choices.. :popcorn:
there is a "making of john adams" on HBO as well, and in it, mccullough literally raves about the series; especially about it's historical accuracy and fidelity to the book.
I haven't seen the DUmmie thread; I will have to look that one up. :-)
i was surfing around last night.. that one popped up right away cause i really want to see the series, but had no idea the DUmmies even paid attention to actual truthful stuff.
who knew? :-)
if you find it again, post or PM me the link. I can't find it in GD or their lounge . . . .
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It's on right now, and I haven't started watching it yet...and The Tudors are also on now too..I have choices, woo hoo!!!!!!
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It's on right now, and I haven't started watching it yet...and The Tudors are also on now too..I have choices, woo hoo!!!!!!
I watched the tudors before the adams thing came on. are the new episodes on yet? the one I saw was where henry and ann were doing it in the forest (sort of. what a cruel chick :-)), and woolsey cuts his own throat.
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Very touching episode. I love the way the founding fathers are portrayed realistically with their warts and all. I just spent 30 mins trying to figure out who was playing King George III (Tom Hollander in case you are interested). That whole meeting just freaked me out. I wanted to pimp smack England for having such stupid rules when dealing with royalty. I love this series!
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i saw a promo for another HBO special after john adams ended; "recount", about (of course) the 2000 election.
I can tell from the horrible Cruella De Vil look that they gave katherine harris (and the presence
of kevin spacey in the cast :whatever:) that it is going to be a hatchet job on the republicans.
I can't wait. :whatever:
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Very touching episode. I love the way the founding fathers are portrayed realistically with their warts and all. I just spent 30 mins trying to figure out who was playing King George III (Tom Hollander in case you are interested). That whole meeting just freaked me out. I wanted to pimp smack England for having such stupid rules when dealing with royalty. I love this series!
I could have done without seeing john and abigail going at it. I like my founding fathers a little less accessible, I guess. :-)
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Very touching episode. I love the way the founding fathers are portrayed realistically with their warts and all. I just spent 30 mins trying to figure out who was playing King George III (Tom Hollander in case you are interested). That whole meeting just freaked me out. I wanted to pimp smack England for having such stupid rules when dealing with royalty. I love this series!
crap! i hate missing a good series .. they are so far and few between.
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Very touching episode. I love the way the founding fathers are portrayed realistically with their warts and all. I just spent 30 mins trying to figure out who was playing King George III (Tom Hollander in case you are interested). That whole meeting just freaked me out. I wanted to pimp smack England for having such stupid rules when dealing with royalty. I love this series!
george III was crazy. he was thought to have suffered from porphyria. and it was widely whispered before the revolution that adams was a royalist, so it was a bit unsurprising that he did well in england.
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People have complained about the cinematography at the HBO site. I don't know WHY they chose to do this.
I'd be happy if they'd just edit out the bugs buzzing. Our forefathers had to deal with insects, I get it already! :whatever:
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Very touching episode. I love the way the founding fathers are portrayed realistically with their warts and all. I just spent 30 mins trying to figure out who was playing King George III (Tom Hollander in case you are interested). That whole meeting just freaked me out. I wanted to pimp smack England for having such stupid rules when dealing with royalty. I love this series!
I could have done without seeing john and abigail going at it. I like my founding fathers a little less accessible, I guess. :-)
Well it isn't like it took more than 20 seconds anyway. :thatsright: Poor poor Abigail. :bawl:
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Very touching episode. I love the way the founding fathers are portrayed realistically with their warts and all. I just spent 30 mins trying to figure out who was playing King George III (Tom Hollander in case you are interested). That whole meeting just freaked me out. I wanted to pimp smack England for having such stupid rules when dealing with royalty. I love this series!
george III was crazy. he was thought to have suffered from porphyria. and it was widely whispered before the revolution that adams was a royalist, so it was a bit unsurprising that he did well in england.
he didn't really go crazy until his last years.
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i saw a promo for another HBO special after john adams ended; "recount", about (of course) the 2000 election.
I can tell from the horrible Cruella De Vil look that they gave katherine harris (and the presence
of kevin spacey in the cast :whatever:) that it is going to be a hatchet job on the republicans.
I can't wait. :whatever:
I saw the preview for this before the first episode of John Adams :rotf:
The DUmmies are going to win...in fantasyland.
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Very touching episode. I love the way the founding fathers are portrayed realistically with their warts and all. I just spent 30 mins trying to figure out who was playing King George III (Tom Hollander in case you are interested). That whole meeting just freaked me out. I wanted to pimp smack England for having such stupid rules when dealing with royalty. I love this series!
I could have done without seeing john and abigail going at it. I like my founding fathers a little less accessible, I guess. :-)
You know, I thought the SAME thing.
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I heard an interview with the director on the radio today. Paul Giamatti is John Adams.
Or, you could just read the book. :-)
I am turning into quite a Paul Giamttie fan of late... even the stupid stuff he has done, he's just very gifted with timing.
Anyway, I will read the thread but where can people see it who dont have HBO? I'm assuming it will come out in DVD format soon?
I assume that sooner or later, something will be available here (http://www.hbo.com/films/johnadams/). and giamatti will always be the merlot guy to me.
I LOVED that movie :rotf:
The other guy just cracked me up throughout that WHOLE movie!
He played in the movie the latest TV movie with Robert Duvall ( :bow: )
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Very touching episode. I love the way the founding fathers are portrayed realistically with their warts and all. I just spent 30 mins trying to figure out who was playing King George III (Tom Hollander in case you are interested). That whole meeting just freaked me out. I wanted to pimp smack England for having such stupid rules when dealing with royalty. I love this series!
I thought King George looked totally pissed before Adams spoke...and I was surprised at how much JA kissed up!!
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Very touching episode. I love the way the founding fathers are portrayed realistically with their warts and all. I just spent 30 mins trying to figure out who was playing King George III (Tom Hollander in case you are interested). That whole meeting just freaked me out. I wanted to pimp smack England for having such stupid rules when dealing with royalty. I love this series!
I thought King George looked totally pissed before Adams spoke...and I was surprised at how much JA kissed up!!
Adams wrote to John Jay about that meeting, a very long letter, and described not only how unbelievably nervous he was but how King George tried to put Adams at his ease. The crack about France, according to Adams, is what really broke the ice between the two men. I thought the scene very powerful and right in line with Adam's letter to Jay (he also wrote Franklin and Jefferson a one paragraph note effectively saying, "Met the king today, no big deal") although I think it rained that day.
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:thatsright: about Adams using France to make a bridge with King George.
Nothing brings 2 people together like having a common dislike for someone else. Smart move on Adams' part.
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Excellent episode!!!! I loved how King George could barely tolerate him and then kind of warmed up a bit. Poor Mr. Adams! He did not look comfortable at all with royal protocol.
And poor Abigail lol! I could have done without the love scene too but they had been apart for years. Couldn't expect much more out of the old boy the first time :-)
I do wish they would have put the year up on the screen whenever the scene changed. I get confused when they leap forward in time by a considerable amount.
Thomas Jefferson is played well. I really like the actor. He captures what I imagined Mr. Jefferson to be like. And how about the flirtation with Abigail and John's jealousness? I wonder if that really happened.
And I nearly cried when they came back to America and John didn't recognize his children.
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Very touching episode. I love the way the founding fathers are portrayed realistically with their warts and all. I just spent 30 mins trying to figure out who was playing King George III (Tom Hollander in case you are interested). That whole meeting just freaked me out. I wanted to pimp smack England for having such stupid rules when dealing with royalty. I love this series!
I could have done without seeing john and abigail going at it. I like my founding fathers a little less accessible, I guess. :-)
You know, I thought the SAME thing.
I know that they were trying to portray the adams' uniquely close and loving marriage . . . but I really, really, REALLY didn't need to see that. I actually said out loud, "please tell me that they aren't about to show them doing it". and, for future reference to HBO, if they ever do a mini-series about abe lincoln, I don't want to see him on top of mary, either.
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Very touching episode. I love the way the founding fathers are portrayed realistically with their warts and all. I just spent 30 mins trying to figure out who was playing King George III (Tom Hollander in case you are interested). That whole meeting just freaked me out. I wanted to pimp smack England for having such stupid rules when dealing with royalty. I love this series!
I thought King George looked totally pissed before Adams spoke...and I was surprised at how much JA kissed up!!
Adams wrote to John Jay about that meeting, a very long letter, and described not only how unbelievably nervous he was but how King George tried to put Adams at his ease. The crack about France, according to Adams, is what really broke the ice between the two men. I thought the scene very powerful and right in line with Adam's letter to Jay (he also wrote Franklin and Jefferson a one paragraph note effectively saying, "Met the king today, no big deal") although I think it rained that day.
I have noticed that a lot of the dialog actually came from his letters; or at least I am recognizing phrases in the dialog that I remember from his letters. it stands to reason, though; the man wrote several dead forests full of letters.
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Very touching episode. I love the way the founding fathers are portrayed realistically with their warts and all. I just spent 30 mins trying to figure out who was playing King George III (Tom Hollander in case you are interested). That whole meeting just freaked me out. I wanted to pimp smack England for having such stupid rules when dealing with royalty. I love this series!
I could have done without seeing john and abigail going at it. I like my founding fathers a little less accessible, I guess. :-)
Well it isn't like it took more than 20 seconds anyway. :thatsright: Poor poor Abigail. :bawl:
I couldn't believe they did that to him. :whatever: :-)
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Very touching episode. I love the way the founding fathers are portrayed realistically with their warts and all. I just spent 30 mins trying to figure out who was playing King George III (Tom Hollander in case you are interested). That whole meeting just freaked me out. I wanted to pimp smack England for having such stupid rules when dealing with royalty. I love this series!
I could have done without seeing john and abigail going at it. I like my founding fathers a little less accessible, I guess. :-)
You know, I thought the SAME thing.
I know that they were trying to portray the adams' uniquely close and loving marriage . . . but I really, really, REALLY didn't need to see that. I actually said out loud, "please tell me that they aren't about to show them doing it". and, for future reference to HBO, if they ever do a mini-series about abe lincoln, I don't want to see him on top of mary, either.
BWAHAHAHA! Ewww...
Stovepipe hats are ruined for me now. Just ruined! :-)
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Excellent episode!!!! I loved how King George could barely tolerate him and then kind of warmed up a bit. Poor Mr. Adams! He did not look comfortable at all with royal protocol.
And poor Abigail lol! I could have done without the love scene too but they had been apart for years. Couldn't expect much more out of the old boy the first time :-)
I do wish they would have put the year up on the screen whenever the scene changed. I get confused when they leap forward in time by a considerable amount.
Thomas Jefferson is played well. I really like the actor. He captures what I imagined Mr. Jefferson to be like. And how about the flirtation with Abigail and John's jealousness? I wonder if that really happened.
And I nearly cried when they came back to America and John didn't recognize his children.
I am pretty sure that the director took liberties with how long john lasted the first time in paris; I can't believe that anyone recorded that bit of information. :-)
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^yeah, but it wouldn't have been much a leap :-)
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Very touching episode. I love the way the founding fathers are portrayed realistically with their warts and all. I just spent 30 mins trying to figure out who was playing King George III (Tom Hollander in case you are interested). That whole meeting just freaked me out. I wanted to pimp smack England for having such stupid rules when dealing with royalty. I love this series!
I thought King George looked totally pissed before Adams spoke...and I was surprised at how much JA kissed up!!
Adams wrote to John Jay about that meeting, a very long letter, and described not only how unbelievably nervous he was but how King George tried to put Adams at his ease. The crack about France, according to Adams, is what really broke the ice between the two men. I thought the scene very powerful and right in line with Adam's letter to Jay (he also wrote Franklin and Jefferson a one paragraph note effectively saying, "Met the king today, no big deal") although I think it rained that day.
I have noticed that a lot of the dialog actually came from his letters; or at least I am recognizing phrases in the dialog that I remember from his letters. it stands to reason, though; the man wrote several dead forests full of letters.
Exactly - there was a scene in an earlier episode where John and Abigail are side by side quoting the letters to each other. The whole thing is really faithful to McCullough which is great - McCullough really did his homework when he was researching his book and (if you've read the book you know what I'm talking about) he is absolutely brilliant at setting the scene.
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Excellent episode!!!! I loved how King George could barely tolerate him and then kind of warmed up a bit. Poor Mr. Adams! He did not look comfortable at all with royal protocol.
And poor Abigail lol! I could have done without the love scene too but they had been apart for years. Couldn't expect much more out of the old boy the first time :-)
I do wish they would have put the year up on the screen whenever the scene changed. I get confused when they leap forward in time by a considerable amount.
Thomas Jefferson is played well. I really like the actor. He captures what I imagined Mr. Jefferson to be like. And how about the flirtation with Abigail and John's jealousness? I wonder if that really happened.
And I nearly cried when they came back to America and John didn't recognize his children.
Oh yeah, the flirting with Thomas Jefferson! That left a LOT of innuendo there, I thought. I got a kick out of Adams' reaction to it.
They are also depicting the ideological differences between Adams and Jefferson...who knew that Jefferson was opposed to a Constitution being set in stone like that?? I didn't know that.
I also thought Washington winning the presidency and then the swearing in was great...SOOO humble and genteel. Adams was too. He kissed the Bible...and well, the liberals can kiss it too.
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Excellent episode!!!! I loved how King George could barely tolerate him and then kind of warmed up a bit. Poor Mr. Adams! He did not look comfortable at all with royal protocol.
And poor Abigail lol! I could have done without the love scene too but they had been apart for years. Couldn't expect much more out of the old boy the first time :-)
I do wish they would have put the year up on the screen whenever the scene changed. I get confused when they leap forward in time by a considerable amount.
Thomas Jefferson is played well. I really like the actor. He captures what I imagined Mr. Jefferson to be like. And how about the flirtation with Abigail and John's jealousness? I wonder if that really happened.
And I nearly cried when they came back to America and John didn't recognize his children.
Oh yeah, the flirting with Thomas Jefferson! That left a LOT of innuendo there, I thought. I got a kick out of Adams' reaction to it.
They are also depicting the ideological differences between Adams and Jefferson...who knew that Jefferson was opposed to a Constitution being set in stone like that?? I didn't know that.
I also thought Washington winning the presidency and then the swearing in was great...SOOO humble and genteel. Adams was too. He kissed the Bible...and well, the liberals can kiss it too.
I got choked up when he took the oath of office. The guy playing Washington is DEAD ON! Chill bumps!
And Adams was so funny/awkward standing there giving his little "speech" beforehand. Paul Giamatti is really doing a great job bringing him to life.
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Excellent episode!!!! I loved how King George could barely tolerate him and then kind of warmed up a bit. Poor Mr. Adams! He did not look comfortable at all with royal protocol.
And poor Abigail lol! I could have done without the love scene too but they had been apart for years. Couldn't expect much more out of the old boy the first time :-)
I do wish they would have put the year up on the screen whenever the scene changed. I get confused when they leap forward in time by a considerable amount.
Thomas Jefferson is played well. I really like the actor. He captures what I imagined Mr. Jefferson to be like. And how about the flirtation with Abigail and John's jealousness? I wonder if that really happened.
And I nearly cried when they came back to America and John didn't recognize his children.
I am pretty sure that the director took liberties with how long john lasted the first time in paris; I can't believe that anyone recorded that bit of information. :-)
this conversation makes me totally uneasy. :-)
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Excellent episode!!!! I loved how King George could barely tolerate him and then kind of warmed up a bit. Poor Mr. Adams! He did not look comfortable at all with royal protocol.
And poor Abigail lol! I could have done without the love scene too but they had been apart for years. Couldn't expect much more out of the old boy the first time :-)
I do wish they would have put the year up on the screen whenever the scene changed. I get confused when they leap forward in time by a considerable amount.
Thomas Jefferson is played well. I really like the actor. He captures what I imagined Mr. Jefferson to be like. And how about the flirtation with Abigail and John's jealousness? I wonder if that really happened.
And I nearly cried when they came back to America and John didn't recognize his children.
Oh yeah, the flirting with Thomas Jefferson! That left a LOT of innuendo there, I thought. I got a kick out of Adams' reaction to it.
They are also depicting the ideological differences between Adams and Jefferson...who knew that Jefferson was opposed to a Constitution being set in stone like that?? I didn't know that.
I also thought Washington winning the presidency and then the swearing in was great...SOOO humble and genteel. Adams was too. He kissed the Bible...and well, the liberals can kiss it too.
jefferson and adams are having a major falling out, but it didn't have anything to do with hitting on abigail. it had to do with the strength and the role of the central government.
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Excellent episode!!!! I loved how King George could barely tolerate him and then kind of warmed up a bit. Poor Mr. Adams! He did not look comfortable at all with royal protocol.
And poor Abigail lol! I could have done without the love scene too but they had been apart for years. Couldn't expect much more out of the old boy the first time :-)
I do wish they would have put the year up on the screen whenever the scene changed. I get confused when they leap forward in time by a considerable amount.
Thomas Jefferson is played well. I really like the actor. He captures what I imagined Mr. Jefferson to be like. And how about the flirtation with Abigail and John's jealousness? I wonder if that really happened.
And I nearly cried when they came back to America and John didn't recognize his children.
Oh yeah, the flirting with Thomas Jefferson! That left a LOT of innuendo there, I thought. I got a kick out of Adams' reaction to it.
They are also depicting the ideological differences between Adams and Jefferson...who knew that Jefferson was opposed to a Constitution being set in stone like that?? I didn't know that.
I also thought Washington winning the presidency and then the swearing in was great...SOOO humble and genteel. Adams was too. He kissed the Bible...and well, the liberals can kiss it too.
I got choked up when he took the oath of office. The guy playing Washington is DEAD ON! Chill bumps!
And Adams was so funny/awkward standing there giving his little "speech" beforehand. Paul Giamatti is really doing a great job bringing him to life.
it's funny how people that generally agree on most topics can watch the exact same thing, and come away with completely different impressions. i think giamatti's portrayal of adams is so bad that it is painful to watch. :-) i am trying to figure out why that is, but I can't exactly put my finger on it. i assume it has something to do with sideways, because i considered that a painful movie to watch.
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^never saw Sideways but I did see Private Parts and I can't get "pig vomit" out of my head when I see him. :-)
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Excellent episode!!!! I loved how King George could barely tolerate him and then kind of warmed up a bit. Poor Mr. Adams! He did not look comfortable at all with royal protocol.
And poor Abigail lol! I could have done without the love scene too but they had been apart for years. Couldn't expect much more out of the old boy the first time :-)
I do wish they would have put the year up on the screen whenever the scene changed. I get confused when they leap forward in time by a considerable amount.
Thomas Jefferson is played well. I really like the actor. He captures what I imagined Mr. Jefferson to be like. And how about the flirtation with Abigail and John's jealousness? I wonder if that really happened.
And I nearly cried when they came back to America and John didn't recognize his children.
I am pretty sure that the director took liberties with how long john lasted the first time in paris; I can't believe that anyone recorded that bit of information. :-)
It just goes to show that he was faithful to his wife :-)
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^never saw Sideways but I did see Private Parts and I can't get "pig vomit" out of my head when I see him. :-)
take danny divito, and add 6 inches and 100 pounds. castrate him. perform a lobotomy on him. make him a paranoid schizophrenic. give him a dead end career. put him in the presence of a much more dominant personality, so he gets led around by the nose. make his company apparently lethal to wimmins. oh, and give him a yuppie/metrosexual car.
that's about the size of it.
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Excellent episode!!!! I loved how King George could barely tolerate him and then kind of warmed up a bit. Poor Mr. Adams! He did not look comfortable at all with royal protocol.
And poor Abigail lol! I could have done without the love scene too but they had been apart for years. Couldn't expect much more out of the old boy the first time :-)
I do wish they would have put the year up on the screen whenever the scene changed. I get confused when they leap forward in time by a considerable amount.
Thomas Jefferson is played well. I really like the actor. He captures what I imagined Mr. Jefferson to be like. And how about the flirtation with Abigail and John's jealousness? I wonder if that really happened.
And I nearly cried when they came back to America and John didn't recognize his children.
I am pretty sure that the director took liberties with how long john lasted the first time in paris; I can't believe that anyone recorded that bit of information. :-)
It just goes to show that he was faithful to his wife :-)
I think we already knew that without the premature exclamation of independence. :-)
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^never saw Sideways but I did see Private Parts and I can't get "pig vomit" out of my head when I see him. :-)
take danny divito, and add 6 inches and 100 pounds. castrate him. perform a lobotomy on him. make him a paranoid schizophrenic. give him a dead end career. put him in the presence of a much more dominant personality, so he gets led around by the nose. make his company apparently lethal to wimmins. oh, and give him a yuppie/metrosexual car.
that's about the size of it.
Yeah, that was it...without about a hundred pounds of pessimism.
His friend was an alpha male, and he was a crack-up :-)
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Excellent episode!!!! I loved how King George could barely tolerate him and then kind of warmed up a bit. Poor Mr. Adams! He did not look comfortable at all with royal protocol.
And poor Abigail lol! I could have done without the love scene too but they had been apart for years. Couldn't expect much more out of the old boy the first time :-)
I do wish they would have put the year up on the screen whenever the scene changed. I get confused when they leap forward in time by a considerable amount.
Thomas Jefferson is played well. I really like the actor. He captures what I imagined Mr. Jefferson to be like. And how about the flirtation with Abigail and John's jealousness? I wonder if that really happened.
And I nearly cried when they came back to America and John didn't recognize his children.
Oh yeah, the flirting with Thomas Jefferson! That left a LOT of innuendo there, I thought. I got a kick out of Adams' reaction to it.
They are also depicting the ideological differences between Adams and Jefferson...who knew that Jefferson was opposed to a Constitution being set in stone like that?? I didn't know that.
I also thought Washington winning the presidency and then the swearing in was great...SOOO humble and genteel. Adams was too. He kissed the Bible...and well, the liberals can kiss it too.
jefferson and adams are having a major falling out, but it didn't have anything to do with hitting on abigail. it had to do with the strength and the role of the central government.
Oh, I know that...the flirting and Abigail's admiration of Jefferson was something I wasn't aware of.
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Excellent episode!!!! I loved how King George could barely tolerate him and then kind of warmed up a bit. Poor Mr. Adams! He did not look comfortable at all with royal protocol.
And poor Abigail lol! I could have done without the love scene too but they had been apart for years. Couldn't expect much more out of the old boy the first time :-)
I do wish they would have put the year up on the screen whenever the scene changed. I get confused when they leap forward in time by a considerable amount.
Thomas Jefferson is played well. I really like the actor. He captures what I imagined Mr. Jefferson to be like. And how about the flirtation with Abigail and John's jealousness? I wonder if that really happened.
And I nearly cried when they came back to America and John didn't recognize his children.
Oh yeah, the flirting with Thomas Jefferson! That left a LOT of innuendo there, I thought. I got a kick out of Adams' reaction to it.
They are also depicting the ideological differences between Adams and Jefferson...who knew that Jefferson was opposed to a Constitution being set in stone like that?? I didn't know that.
I also thought Washington winning the presidency and then the swearing in was great...SOOO humble and genteel. Adams was too. He kissed the Bible...and well, the liberals can kiss it too.
I got choked up when he took the oath of office. The guy playing Washington is DEAD ON! Chill bumps!
And Adams was so funny/awkward standing there giving his little "speech" beforehand. Paul Giamatti is really doing a great job bringing him to life.
it's funny how people that generally agree on most topics can watch the exact same thing, and come away with completely different impressions. i think giamatti's portrayal of adams is so bad that it is painful to watch. :-) i am trying to figure out why that is, but I can't exactly put my finger on it. i assume it has something to do with sideways, because i considered that a painful movie to watch.
Oh, well see now I *like* him...and I really liked Sideways :lmao:
I'm with Dixie...I think he's doing a fantastic job playing John Adams.
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Excellent episode!!!! I loved how King George could barely tolerate him and then kind of warmed up a bit. Poor Mr. Adams! He did not look comfortable at all with royal protocol.
And poor Abigail lol! I could have done without the love scene too but they had been apart for years. Couldn't expect much more out of the old boy the first time :-)
I do wish they would have put the year up on the screen whenever the scene changed. I get confused when they leap forward in time by a considerable amount.
Thomas Jefferson is played well. I really like the actor. He captures what I imagined Mr. Jefferson to be like. And how about the flirtation with Abigail and John's jealousness? I wonder if that really happened.
And I nearly cried when they came back to America and John didn't recognize his children.
Oh yeah, the flirting with Thomas Jefferson! That left a LOT of innuendo there, I thought. I got a kick out of Adams' reaction to it.
They are also depicting the ideological differences between Adams and Jefferson...who knew that Jefferson was opposed to a Constitution being set in stone like that?? I didn't know that.
I also thought Washington winning the presidency and then the swearing in was great...SOOO humble and genteel. Adams was too. He kissed the Bible...and well, the liberals can kiss it too.
I got choked up when he took the oath of office. The guy playing Washington is DEAD ON! Chill bumps!
And Adams was so funny/awkward standing there giving his little "speech" beforehand. Paul Giamatti is really doing a great job bringing him to life.
it's funny how people that generally agree on most topics can watch the exact same thing, and come away with completely different impressions. i think giamatti's portrayal of adams is so bad that it is painful to watch. :-) i am trying to figure out why that is, but I can't exactly put my finger on it. i assume it has something to do with sideways, because i considered that a painful movie to watch.
Oh, well see now I *like* him...and I really liked Sideways :lmao:
I'm with Dixie...I think he's doing a fantastic job playing John Adams.
I am going to shut up. I don't seem to be helping my argument . . . at all . . .. :-)
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I hated the movie Sideways!!!!! I would rather stick a toilet snake up my nose than see it again. I did however LOVE him in Big Fat Liar. Awesome movie!
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I hated the movie Sideways!!!!! I would rather stick a toilet snake up my nose than see it again. I did however LOVE him in Big Fat Liar. Awesome movie!
never say that to a someone that grew up in the orient; there, a toilet snake is an actual reptile. :-)
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Anyone watch tonight's (Sunday 4/6) episode? Thoughts? Comments?
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Anyone watch tonight's (Sunday 4/6) episode? Thoughts? Comments?
When does this come out on DVD? I dont' have HBO. :(
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Anyone watch tonight's (Sunday 4/6) episode? Thoughts? Comments?
When does this come out on DVD? I dont' have HBO. :(
June 10th.
http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/John-Adams-DVDs-Announced/9243
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It was good. I love Abigail. That woman was a spitfire and clearly John's voice of reason. At least that's how they are portraying her.
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It was good. I love Abigail. That woman was a spitfire and clearly John's voice of reason. At least that's how they are portraying her.
their portrayal of jefferson is very, very flattering. we'll see how they handle the next election . . . .
and it was a welcome relief from the tudors this week, which was only notable in that apparently the english during henry's reign only did it against trees in the forest. I have never seen so much going at it in the forest. :whatever: this must be when they invented the phrase, "HEY! get a room whatdontya!!!!", although they have dropped the last part, which was "and wipe that off of my tree, dammit!!!" . :-) :-)
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It was good. I love Abigail. That woman was a spitfire and clearly John's voice of reason. At least that's how they are portraying her.
their portrayal of jefferson is very, very flattering. we'll see how they handle the next election . . . .
and it was a welcome relief from the tudors this week, which was only notable in that apparently the english during henry's reign only did it against trees in the forest. I have never seen so much going at it in the forest. :whatever: this must be when they invented the phrase, "HEY! get a room whatdontya!!!!", although they have dropped the last part, which was "and wipe that off of my tree, dammit!!!" . :-) :-)
LOL! I'm missing the Tudors as we don't have Showtime but it sounds like cheesy cable porn anyway.
Yes, Jefferson came off well. He's so soft spoken and appealing. Of course the actor portraying him is doing a great job. Love Washington too. He really does a good job and makes him "come alive". For a history geek like me, it's nice to see these figures as human and not just pictures in a book. My kiddo walked in while Washington was one screen and said, "Hey, he looks just like he does on our money!" ROFL! He's not into history like I am. Sigh.
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It was good. I love Abigail. That woman was a spitfire and clearly John's voice of reason. At least that's how they are portraying her.
their portrayal of jefferson is very, very flattering. we'll see how they handle the next election . . . .
and it was a welcome relief from the tudors this week, which was only notable in that apparently the english during henry's reign only did it against trees in the forest. I have never seen so much going at it in the forest. :whatever: this must be when they invented the phrase, "HEY! get a room whatdontya!!!!", although they have dropped the last part, which was "and wipe that off of my tree, dammit!!!" . :-) :-)
LOL! I'm missing the Tudors as we don't have Showtime but it sounds like cheesy cable porn anyway.
Yes, Jefferson came off well. He's so soft spoken and appealing. Of course the actor portraying him is doing a great job. Love Washington too. He really does a good job and makes him "come alive". For a history geek like me, it's nice to see these figures as human and not just pictures in a book. My kiddo walked in while Washington was one screen and said, "Hey, he looks just like he does on our money!" ROFL! He's not into history like I am. Sigh.
I still see the washington character as the big guard in the green mile. founding fathers should always be played by actors that no one has ever heard of of seen before. it just strips my gears.
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Well I can't help but think of him on House. :evillaugh:
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Well I can't help but think of him on House. :evillaugh:
well, they got the height right. he was over 6'2", which was almost unheard of in his day. and he really did tower over the other men of the period; especially 5'6" john adams. :-)
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I kind of giggled at "His Rotundity". Poor guy! I almost expected him to say, "I can't get no respect!"
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Ok, so what did Adams have such a desire to change the title of the president ("His Majesty" was one of the suggestions?!) :mental:
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Ok, so what did Adams have such a desire to change the title of the president ("His Majesty" was one of the suggestions?!) :mental:
I believe that was just a matter of how the president was to be addressed, not necessarily an attempt to rename his office. and it was inertia and lack of any direct experience in the whole democracy business, as much as anything else. they really didn't know what to call the president for quite a while.
the first several congresses were basic confusion. they had to decide what the hell all of those words in the constitution actually meant. what does "advice and consent" mean? ratify treaties how? exactly how does the nomination process work? what does "give to the Congress information of the state of the union" actually mean? there was no precedent, and there was no direct experience from which to draw.
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Ok, so what did Adams have such a desire to change the title of the president ("His Majesty" was one of the suggestions?!) :mental:
I believe that was just a matter of how the president was to be addressed, not necessarily an attempt to rename his office. and it was inertia and lack of any direct experience in the whole democracy business, as much as anything else. they really didn't know what to call the president for quite a while.
the first several congresses were basic confusion. they had to decide what the hell all of those words in the constitution actually meant. what does "advice and consent" mean? ratify treaties how? exactly how does the nomination process work? what does "give to the Congress information of the state of the union" actually mean? there was no precedent, and there was no direct experience from which to draw.
Thanks - H5 for the info! :-)
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tonight's episode covers his presidency and the bitter election of 1800. I've been waiting for this one;
it will be interesting to see how they treat it.
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tonight's episode covers his presidency and the bitter election of 1800. I've been waiting for this one;
it will be interesting to see how they treat it.
That was an interesting part of the book. The election of 1800 makes modern Presidential campaigns look like a couple of schoolgirls playing pattycake.
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tonight's episode covers his presidency and the bitter election of 1800. I've been waiting for this one;
it will be interesting to see how they treat it.
Diebold figures prominently.
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tonight's episode covers his presidency and the bitter election of 1800. I've been waiting for this one;
it will be interesting to see how they treat it.
Diebold figures prominently.
Actually, that is not too far off the mark. In last week's episode, Adams learns that the very first election was somewhat crooked. I don't know if that is true or not.
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Ok, so what did Adams have such a desire to change the title of the president ("His Majesty" was one of the suggestions?!) :mental:
I think he wanted to give the POTUS a title that had more clout than what it has...and the rest of his colleagues disagreed, as they thought it was too much of a British thing to do.
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tonight's episode covers his presidency and the bitter election of 1800. I've been waiting for this one;
it will be interesting to see how they treat it.
That was an interesting part of the book. The election of 1800 makes modern Presidential campaigns look like a couple of schoolgirls playing pattycake.
it's a huge event in american history; pretty much the birth of political parties.
reading john adams made me curious to know more about the election of 1800. there have been a ton of books written on the subject, but this one was good.
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/512A4CPH55L._SL500_AA240_.jpg)
don't pick it up unless you are prepared to hate thomas jefferson. :-)
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tonight's episode covers his presidency and the bitter election of 1800. I've been waiting for this one;
it will be interesting to see how they treat it.
Diebold figures prominently.
Actually, that is not too far off the mark. In last week's episode, Adams learns that the very first election was somewhat crooked. I don't know if that is true or not.
there was a good bit of scheming to keep aaron burr out of office in the first few elections. shooting alexander hamilton dead ultimately takes care of that concern.
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don't pick it up unless you are prepared to hate thomas jefferson. :-)
You have earned the undying emnity of the Ronuans.
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tonight's episode covers his presidency and the bitter election of 1800. I've been waiting for this one;
it will be interesting to see how they treat it.
That was an interesting part of the book. The election of 1800 makes modern Presidential campaigns look like a couple of schoolgirls playing pattycake.
it's a huge event in american history; pretty much the birth of political parties.
reading john adams made me curious to know more about the election of 1800. there have been a ton of books written on the subject, but this one was good.
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/512A4CPH55L._SL500_AA240_.jpg)
don't pick it up unless you are prepared to hate thomas jefferson. :-)
Excellent. I'm always looking for something to read.
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tonight's episode covers his presidency and the bitter election of 1800. I've been waiting for this one;
it will be interesting to see how they treat it.
Diebold figures prominently.
Actually, that is not too far off the mark. In last week's episode, Adams learns that the very first election was somewhat crooked. I don't know if that is true or not.
there was a good bit of scheming to keep aaron burr out of office in the first few elections. shooting alexander hamilton dead ultimately takes care of that concern.
OK, I am definitely reading that book that you just recommended...I know nothing of what you just said here, and now I need to know :-)
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they are portraying hamilton too negatively, and jefferson too positively.
hamilton was the central figure in the federalist faction, which made him a target
of the republicans, and was a controversial figure for reasons having to do with,
um, "character", I suppose you would call it . . . he slept around. but he wasn't
the frivolous and slightly comical figure that they are making him out to be. and
he may very well have followed jefferson as president if aaron burr didn't blow him
away in a duel.
jefferson was a complete pain in the ass to two presidents, and he and madison
weren't the most noble or ethical people in the run up to the election of 1800. he is
probably my least favorite founding father. they are also underplaying his rapturous
adulation for france and all things french. he remained under the spell of the ideals
of the french revolution, despite the fact that it had long since devolved into The Terror.
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They have portrayed Jefferson in a very understated manner. Even the actor playing him is being cool and collected. He speaks in soothing tones and doesn't make any sudden movements. It's very well done from a critic's perspective. Historically accurate? I dunno. But, he is making TJ likeable. He comes across as Adams' foil and this is the John Adams story after all. I really need to pick up that book you mentioned upthread.....
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it's a huge event in american history; pretty much the birth of political parties.
reading john adams made me curious to know more about the election of 1800. there have been a ton of books written on the subject, but this one was good.
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/512A4CPH55L._SL500_AA240_.jpg)
don't pick it up unless you are prepared to hate thomas jefferson. :-)
Well, that was quick. My book is already waiting for me at the library.
I love the innernetz. :)
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HBO is doing an afternoon-long marathon right now. it looks like they are doing all of the episodes in sequence,
right up until the latest one tonight.
episode 1 is on now.
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Finale tonight! Can't wait! Tried to get kiddo into the marathon. He ain't buying it. Sigh. Too much for his age I guess.
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Finale tonight! Can't wait! Tried to get kiddo into the marathon. He ain't buying it. Sigh. Too much for his age I guess.
heh. the marathon was almost too much for me. :-) the continuity from having them back to back
does help, I think.
and the finale is on in an hour.
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Finale tonight! Can't wait! Tried to get kiddo into the marathon. He ain't buying it. Sigh. Too much for his age I guess.
heh. the marathon was almost too much for me. :-) the continuity from having them back to back
does help, I think.
and the finale is on in an hour.
you know how it ends, right?
SPOILER
(They hit an iceberg and the ship sinks.)
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^Good thing I didn't read your post before the show! :-)
Okay, OH MY GOD! How about poor Nabby??? Yikes!!!
I thought the last episode was done well. It wrapped up things nicely and I liked the portrayal of TJ and JA reading their letters. I loved JA's critque of the artist who did the painting too. Brilliantly done!
Overall, I loved this series and I will probably buy the DVD's.
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^Good thing I didn't read your post before the show! :-)
Okay, OH MY GOD! How about poor Nabby??? Yikes!!!
I thought the last episode was done well. It wrapped up things nicely and I liked the portrayal of TJ and JA reading their letters. I loved JA's critque of the artist who did the painting too. Brilliantly done!
Overall, I loved this series and I will probably buy the DVD's.
I just caught the last episode tonight on my DVR. I absolutely loved this series. I agree with your statements on the last episode as well.
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I don't have HBO. :bawl:
I liked the book but it was difficult to follow in some places. I'm just going to have to hold my breath until they release it on DVD.
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bump...
Shipping June 10th and now taking pre-orders. $38.99 :popcorn:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000WGWQG8?ie=UTF8&tag=wwwviolentkicom&link_code=as3&camp=211189&creative=373489&creativeASIN=B000WGWQG8
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My DVD order just showed up. (http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/5433/emotdanceuh2.gif)
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Came in the mail this afternoon. I am on part three, and I may just watch all nineish hours of it tonight.
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We just got this in the video store this pass weekend. I've watched the first two episodes, and I'm enjoying it immensely. I've been curious about some of the historical accuracy (was Adams a first responder at the site of the Massacre; where his children really "innoculated" for small pox; etc...), but all in all I'm greatly impressed. Almost immediately they began to show differances between Adams and Jeffersons differances in governmental views, but if you wheren't aware of the bit of history there you probably wouldn't have really caught it.
I'm going to watch the rest of the series over the next few days. I hope it keeps me as impressed as it has so far.
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I got my DVD of at the end of last week. I'm going to start it tonight.
Thanks to Chris on the heads up that it was only $35 on Amazon. :-)
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I liked the DVD, but I have to admit, I enjoyed the book a lot more.
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I just saw Giamatti in Shoot 'Em Up.
One of the worst films ever (behind freddy got fingered)
I lost 2 hours of my life I will never have back ....
good thing I pulled it from a torrent online and didnt have to pay to watch it....
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An excellent series all together. The only thing that bothered me was the last couple of episodes. They took a lot of liberties that didn't really happen. "Nabby" Adams and her husband did not split apart. She moved with him around the country (and world) from one venture to the next. They also gave her breast cancer 7 years too early. The show said it was 1803 when she wasn't diagnosed with it until 1810, and died in 1813. Smith was present during the diagnosis, and surgery, though I don't recall if he accompanied her back to her parents house where she died.
Not sure why they messed around with the dates on that, and it kinda left a sour taste in my mouth there at the end, but all together an excellent series, and I'll probably buy it when we get back to the states.
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I was disappointed. I thought it sucked.
but as BEG said, perhaps it will make people more interested in history.