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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: dandi on April 13, 2010, 01:55:12 AM
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Oh what a difference an election makes, Part II:
ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Apr-12-10 08:57 PM
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Tea Party Movement Spreads To Military
Tea Party Movement Spreads To Military
Zachary Roth
The Tea Party movement has gained a foothold in the armed forces.
A new Tea Party group, Armed Forces Tea Party Patriots, has grown quickly since being launched last month by an active duty Marine Corps sergeant. The group, which vows to "stand up on the very soil we defended to preserve common sense conservatism and defend our Constitution that is threatened by a tyrannical government," currently has over 400 members, who have signed up through its Facebook page, though many are not active duty military. And it has close ties to the broader Tea Party movement.
"People in the military need to be heard," the group's prime organizer, Gary Stein -- a Marine Corps sergeant stationed at Camp Pendleton in southern California -- told TPMmuckraker in an interview. "Our opinions do count."
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Stein's political activism seems to have raised some concern among his superiors. Late last March, he wrote online: "Was just told by a Marine Corps Officer to watch what I say about Obama... I think not..." And later that same day: "I was just told to keep my opinons (sic) to myself about Obama, by my Officer-in-Charge (OIC)."
Indeed, Stein may be violating military policies that restrict political statements and activities by active duty personnel. "I've seen military command go against people on a lot less," Mike Lebowitz, a former JAG lawyer who's an expert on issues of military expression, told TPMmuckraker. Lebowitz said one key question is whether the activity is judged to be "partisan." Though the Tea Party movement has formed political parties in a few states, and has endorsed and supported candidates in some races, there's no evidence that Stein's group has done so.
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x267073
JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Apr-12-10 08:58 PM
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1. They better be careful...
about how they talk about their Commander in Chief... just sayin'
jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Apr-12-10 09:04 PM
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6. I hope they're NOT careful and get kicked out...
purge them from the military.
MUAD_DIB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Apr-12-10 09:23 PM
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9. Dishonorable discharge.
jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Apr-12-10 09:26 PM
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11. Yup. I hope they ALL get that.
WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Apr-12-10 09:01 PM
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3. I think this constitutes grounds for a dishonorable discharge.
bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Apr-12-10 09:01 PM
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4. We have a Fifth Column in this country
and any active duty serviceman had not dare better utter critical remarks of their commander in chief.
A court martial will be slapped on their ass faster than they can say Leavenworth.
LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Apr-12-10 09:02 PM
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5. Send him to combat duty in Afghanista, that might shut him up. n/t
Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Apr-12-10 09:56 PM
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15. Soldiers are trained to carry out orders from their CIVILIAN CinC
If that isn't to their liking, they can STFU, resign or go AWOL and face a court martial.
That's the way the Armed forces work in America and that's how it's ALWAYS worked..
And God help us if that WASN'T the case.
Wait a minute, weren't they all for soldiers expressing themselves when Bush was prez? Didn't they hold that up as "courage?"
I guess it's only courageous if you're queer or want to shoot your officers.
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Funny, you ****TARD DUmmys went from this:
(http://www.frontpagemag.com/media/Homepage/ShootOfficers3.gif)
To this:
JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Apr-12-10 08:58 PM
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1. They better be careful...
about how they talk about their Commander in Chief... just sayin'
All in the span of just 1.5 years and a single vote!
We have the guns and military on our side... just sayin;
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I keep telling you guys that it's a different President...therefore the DUmmies and all Libtards implement a different set of rules.
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Newsflash, DUmmies: As long as they don't refuse lawful orders and don't speak about him in uniform or in a derogatory/disrespectful manner, you're pretty much SOL.
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Newsflash, DUmmies: As long as they don't refuse lawful orders and don't speak about him in uniform or in a derogatory/disrespectful manner, you're pretty much SOL.
We ne-e-ever do anything like that.
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ProSense
The Tea Party movement has gained a foothold in the armed forces.
I'm betting it goes a whole lot deeper than that. But you keep lying to yourself that he has some value, 'K?
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Apr-12-10 09:56 PM
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15. Soldiers are trained to carry out orders from their CIVILIAN CinC
If that isn't to their liking, they can STFU, resign or go AWOL and face a court martial.
That's the way the Armed forces work in America and that's how it's ALWAYS worked..
And God help us if that WASN'T the case.
An enlisted man can resign, and it's always been that way? Really?
Shut your Molson-hole, you stupid Canadian moose turd, you don't know jack shit about the U.S. military and how it works.
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DUmmies display their hypocrisy once again. So what else is new?
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Those ****sticks don't understand anything about the military.
Oh...and it's 400 and 1 now.
Tea Party in Colorado Springs on Thursday.
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An enlisted man can resign, and it's always been that way? Really?
Shut your Molson-hole, you stupid Canadian moose turd, you don't know jack shit about the U.S. military and how it works.
"Hay sarge, this here stuff is get'n a little rough....I think I want to resign....OK?"
:rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:
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DUmmies display their hypocrisy vast stupidity once again. So what else is new?
Fixed!
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Okay, someone -- a lot of someones, in fact -- on the right needs to get on the ball and write about this group. All I can find is fear-mongering "They're going to take over the country by force!!!" screed from the left.
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Okay, someone -- a lot of someones, in fact -- on the right needs to get on the ball and write about this group. All I can find is fear-mongering "They're going to take over the country by force!!!" screed from the left.
I think it would be much simplier if someone just shot the brains of the leftist regime that has taken over Washington....Bill Ayers should have been sent to prison 30+ years ago and then we wouldn't be having tis problem.
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Those ****sticks don't understand anything about the military.
Oh...and it's 400 and 1 now.
Tea Party in Colorado Springs on Thursday.
Dammit, I wanna go.
Why does this always have to happen when I'm up to my ass in alligators?
Lemme know if you need someone from facilities to monitor things. We can ISR the speaking platform, make sure toilets are accessible...you know.
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Dammit, I wanna go.
Why does this always have to happen when I'm up to my ass in alligators?
Lemme know if you need someone from facilities to monitor things. We can ISR the speaking platform, make sure toilets are accessible...you know.
We are planning on attending. Our security cheif put out a warning about violence...guess which demographic he fits into.
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I highly recommend all those service people who are interested in joining this group do so.
The liberal hate shouters are out in full force trying to say military personnel do not have the right to be political.
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I highly recommend all those service people who are interested in joining this group do so.
The liberal hate shouters are out in full force trying to say military personnel do not have the right to be political.
Hmmmm...for people who hate the military so much, they sure think they know a lot about it.
And, as usual, they couldn't be more wrong.
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Armed Forces Tea Party Patriots I would like to thank everyone for their support of the Armed Forces and the Tea party Movement... as we will taking down this fan Page at 1300 local California Time.
that is in one minute.
as far as I can tell it is gone now.
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that is in one minute.
as far as I can tell it is gone now.
I'll bet those asshole DUmmies think that somehow, that's a good thing they just did.
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I'll bet those ******* DUmmies think that somehow, that's a good thing they just did.
I got an e-mail from a reporter in San Deigo about the whole thing. Seems what I wrote struck a cord...
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that is in one minute.
as far as I can tell it is gone now.
So what's to stop someone else from setting up a FB group?
Is it running afoulf of UCMJ or an order?
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So what's to stop someone else from setting up a FB group?
Is it running afoulf of UCMJ or an order?
Sounds like some asshole SNCO or officer got his panties in a wad. Wouldn't be the first time.
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Could be various reasons.
regardless the group is gone- free speach silenced.
The leftists must be cheering themselves horse.
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Could be various reasons.
regardless the group is gone- free speach silenced.
The leftists must be cheering themselves horse.
What exactly did you write about that the SD Union-Tribune called you up/e-mailed you? Or was it a TV reporter?
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What exactly did you write about that the SD Union-Tribune called you up/e-mailed you? Or was it a TV reporter?
Basicly what I wrote is that military personnel need to be pro-active in politics as we are the first ones to suffer when politics fail.
I also countered a few posts that said military members should have no political doings.
I also said that while President Obama was elected to the office and is the CiC, there is no reason why any service member can not disagree with his polices. Obeying a lawful order does not mean lockstep obedience.
I also said while the leftist are always calling the tea party members mindless drones and racist white power haters, it is the left who doesn't want you to think, but follow blindly along with their talking points.
There was more- but that is what I remember for the moment.
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I'm not bound by the UCMJ anymore... I sense an opportunity. :evillaugh:
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I'm not bound by the UCMJ anymore... I sense an opportunity. :evillaugh:
Where they probably hosed the guy is the section that says we can not be part of any partisan arguement, host a partisan group, or take part in the organization of one. That leaves me out of starting one up as well.
Now...if Mikie Mike here starts one up with the same name, etc...
:-)
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I'm not bound by the UCMJ anymore... I sense an opportunity. :evillaugh:
Go for it.
I don't feel like playing Farmville.
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POLITICAL ACTIVITIES OF MILITARY PERSONNEL
Introduction
The political activities of officers and enlisted members of the Active Army, the USAR, and the ARNG are governed by DODD 1344.10 and AR 600-20, paragraph 5-3. The Hatch Act Amendments, 5 U.S.C. §§ 7321 - 7325, and 5 C.F.R. Part 733, only apply to civilian Federal employees (including Federal technicians employed by the National Guard and USAR). The Hatch Act does not apply to military members.
The restrictions in AR 600-20 apply to soldiers on active duty, which is defined as full-time duty in the active military service of the United States without regard to duration or purpose, including active duty for training, annual training, attendance at military schools, and full-time National Guard duty. They do not apply to inactive duty for training, or to National Guard soldiers serving in state status.
Full-time National Guard duty is defined in 10 U.S.C. § 101(d)(5) as training or other duty, other than inactive duty, performed by a member of the Army National Guard of the United States in the member's status as a member of the National Guard of a State or Territory, under 32 U.S.C. §§ 316, 502, 503, 504, or 505, (drills, field exercises, and attendance at military schools) for which the member is entitled to pay from the U.S. or for which the member has waived pay from the U.S.
Soldiers on Active Duty May:
1. Register, vote, and express their opinions on political candidates and issues, but not as representatives of the Armed Forces;
2. Attend partisan and nonpartisan political meetings or rallies as spectators, however, they may not attend: (a) in uniform, (b) during duty hours, (c) when violence is likely to result, or (d) when their activities constitute a breach of law and order;
3. Make monetary contributions to a political organization, but not to other members of the Armed Forces on active duty or employees of the Federal Government, and subject to the following:
a. 18 U.S.C. § 607 prohibits anyone "receiving any salary or compensation for services from money derived from the Treasury of the United States" to solicit a political contribution from any other such person;
b. 18 U.S.C. § 603 prohibits officers and employees of the Federal Government, and anyone "receiving salary or compensation for service from money derived from the Treasury of the United States" from making a political contribution to any other such person who is the "employer or employing authority" of the contributor;
1). This prohibits both contributions to the individual and to the individual's campaign committee, but does not prohibit contributions to political parties;
2). In 1991, the Counsel to the President issued an opinion that this statute "may prohibit any Federal employee from contributing to the authorized campaign committee of the President;"
4. May encourage other military members to vote;
5. Serve as an election official, if such service (a) is not in uniform, (b) does not interfere with military duties, and (c) has the prior approval of the installation commander;
6. Sign a petition for legislative action or to place a candidate's name on the ballot, but only in the soldier's personal capacity;
7. Write a letter to the editor expressing personal views, and place bumper stickers on cars (but not large banners or posters).
Soldiers on Active Duty May Not:
1. Use their official authority or influence for interfering with an election, soliciting votes for a particular candidate or issue, or requiring or soliciting political contributions from others;
2. Participate in partisan political management, campaigns, or conventions;
3. Write and publish partisan political articles that solicit votes for or against a partisan political party or candidate, speak before partisan political gatherings, or participate in partisan political radio or television shows;
4. Serve in any capacity or be listed as a sponsor of a partisan political club;
5. Distribute partisan political literature or conduct a political opinion survey under the auspices of a partisan political group;
6. Use contemptuous words against the President, Vice President, Congress, the Secretaries of the military departments, Defense, or Transportation, and the Governors or legislatures of any state or territory where the soldier is on duty;
7. Engage in fund-raising activities for partisan political causes on military reservations or in Federal offices or facilities;
8. Attend partisan political events as official representatives of the Armed Forces.
Running for office
1. Enlisted members not on extended active duty (EAD is active duty under a call or order in excess of 180 days) and USAR and ARNG officers who are not on active duty may be candidates for and hold elected offices.
a. They may not wear uniforms when engaged in any activity in furtherance of a political interest. Wearing Army uniforms is never allowed when engaged in political activity, whether or not the person is on duty, and regardless of his or her status.
b. They may hold elected office only in a personal capacity.
c. They may not hold office that interferes with their official military duties.
2. Soldiers on active duty, including USAR and ARNG, generally may not campaign for or hold elected office in the U.S. government, or the Government of any state or territory or any political subdivision thereof.
a. Enlisted members on extended active duty may seek and hold nonpartisan civil office (an election in which none of the candidates is affiliated with a political party) as a notary public, member of a school board, neighborhood planning commission, or similar local agency as long as the office is held in a private capacity and does not interfere with military duties.
b. Installation commanders may allow a soldier to file for elective office, but this does not authorize prohibited partisan political activity. This would apply to a soldier about to be discharged or released from active duty.
Contact the Office of the Staff Judge Advocate, Administrative and Civil Law Division, if you have any questions (791-2979). This article is based on an information paper prepared by the Army Standards of Conduct Office.
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So if the TEA Party endorses a candidate people within the military cannot say, "We as members of the military, affiliated with the TEA Part, join in this endorsement."
They can say, "I, as a private citizen, add my endorsement to the TEA Party's choice of candidate." without further appeal to their military role as a means to bolster/enhance/lend credence to the endorsement.
Correct?
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I keep telling you guys that it's a different President...therefore the DUmmies and all Libtards implement a different set of rules.
I believe you. I interact(hang out ) with a lot of vet's and their none too happy with this current regime.
Invest heavily in precious metals. Or is that invest in heavy metals?
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So if the TEA Party endorses a candidate people within the military cannot say, "We as members of the military, affiliated with the TEA Part, join in this endorsement."
They can say, "I, as a private citizen, add my endorsement to the TEA Party's choice of candidate." without further appeal to their military role as a means to bolster/enhance/lend credence to the endorsement.
Correct?
That's pretty much my understanding of it - I need to respect The Hatch Act as well.
As long as there is no obvious connection between miskie the mailman and miskie the knuckle draggin' rethuglikkkan teabagger, there isn't an issue.
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By pure letter of the law you couldn't put a bumpersticker on your truck if it was for just one political party.
Participate in partisan political management, campaigns, or conventions;
Now a sane person would disagree. A ****ing leftist ****stick would complain to your higher command who would prob'ly order you to take the bumpersticker off just so it didn't make waves.
I am afraid our higher command for the most part doesn't have any balls.
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Looks like they are considering it a "Political Club.
May NOT.........
4. Serve in any capacity or be listed as a sponsor of a partisan political club;
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But the Tea Party is 46% independents and democrats.
That makes it NON-partisan.
:uhsure:
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Looks like they are considering it a "Political Club.
May NOT.........
I could join that club with no problem and say I support the Tea Party. He'll I could go to a rally.
What I could NOT do however is show up wearing my uniform...send out any kind of e-mails from my gov account that in any way endorse or try to get others to support any particar person or party.
And I couldn't donate money if the person was a DoD employee.
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I could join that club with no problem and say I support the Tea Party. He'll I could go to a rally.
What I could NOT do however is show up wearing my uniform...send out any kind of e-mails from my gov account that in any way endorse or try to get others to support any particar person or party.
And I couldn't donate money if the person was a DoD employee.
So did they shut him down 'cause he was the leader, or 'cause he was using Gubmint 'puters?