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Title: More tombstonings and CC callouts
Post by: njpines on April 07, 2010, 10:26:25 AM
http://www.oldelmtree.com/discussion/index.php?topic=7540.0 (http://www.oldelmtree.com/discussion/index.php?topic=7540.0)

Not from the DUmp but from the site many of the tombstoned have fled to -- apparently a couple of longtime DUmmies were executed last night and during the discussion, ATJ has this to say:
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AllentownJake
Writers
Pallino
Posts: 1445

   Re: Breaking: DU Tombstoned Midlodemocrat and Omega Minimo earlier today.
« Reply #11 on: April 06, 2010, 07:23:56 PM » 
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If you want to see what happened go to the Conservative Cave.  Those people track the movements on DU like crazy, and email from time to time.

Since I went over there and defended myself.

Another CC lurker then brings up the whole TLB/OLL saga:
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Red Parrot
Disc Golf Advocate

Posts: 60

   On a related matter, did anyone know a poster named Tangerine LaBamba?
« Reply #12 on: April 06, 2010, 08:52:33 PM » 
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I was lurking at another website where they were discussing the passing of a poster named Tangerine LaBamba that posted in several discussion sites, including that DU you guys talk so much about.
 

Red Parrot again:
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There is an amazing thread about her on Conservative Cave (the site that I was lurking):

http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,38442.45.html

CC provided the link to DU post about her death:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=7344299&mesg_id=7351448

Title: Re: More tombstonings and CC callouts
Post by: Ralph Wiggum on April 07, 2010, 10:34:46 AM
There's yet another spin-off of the DUmp?  How many is that now?
Title: Re: More tombstonings and CC callouts
Post by: GOBUCKS on April 07, 2010, 10:54:22 AM
There's yet another spin-off of the DUmp?  How many is that now?
And that spinoff has the same layout as this place. Reminds me of Bizarro Jerry.
Title: Re: More tombstonings and CC callouts
Post by: zeitgeist on April 07, 2010, 11:32:20 AM
And that spinoff has the same layout as this place. Reminds me of Bizarro Jerry.

Same software engine pulling the train from what I could see.

Title: Re: More tombstonings and CC callouts
Post by: USA4ME on April 07, 2010, 11:48:03 AM
There's yet another spin-off of the DUmp?  How many is that now?

I've tried to keep up.  Let's see:

peopleforchange (P4C) - the Deaniac site
DemocraticWarrior - BigJerr and home of fister
OldElmTree - a bunch of disgruntled Marxists, the tinkerbelle brigade who got booted, and a few straglers

LU was one but they're long gone.  Of course, look at the idiot who owed it.

There's a few who wandered over to NU.

There's another called progressiveindependent, but they're really a spin off from P4C because the Deaniacs weren't quite kooky enough for them.

I know some of the 911 toofers tried to make ground on some of the above sites but finally decided to do their own things, though I couldn't tell you the names of the sites, much less if they're still up and running.

Anybody remember others?

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Title: Re: More tombstonings and CC callouts
Post by: lastparker on April 07, 2010, 12:09:46 PM
Wow.  Midlodemocrat had some tenure.  I wonder what she did......
Title: Re: More tombstonings and CC callouts
Post by: jukin on April 07, 2010, 01:28:39 PM
It's all OK.

Tombstones only last for 24 business hours.

Title: Re: More tombstonings and CC callouts
Post by: franksolich on April 07, 2010, 02:02:52 PM
Wow.  Midlodemocrat had some tenure.  I wonder what she did......

If I recall correctly, the "Omega Minimo" primitive was the nemesis of the maudlin waif, the "Mythsaje" primitive.

This current crop of primitives ain't nuthin', compared with the PoY, the primitives of yore.
Title: Re: More tombstonings and CC callouts
Post by: chitownchica on April 07, 2010, 02:17:40 PM
FireMedicDave was TS'd last week.
Title: Re: More tombstonings and CC callouts
Post by: franksolich on April 07, 2010, 02:20:49 PM
FireMedicDave was TS'd last week.

You got to be kidding.

Damn, a lot happens on Skins's island when I'm away.
Title: Re: More tombstonings and CC callouts
Post by: Texacon on April 07, 2010, 03:01:33 PM
FireMedicDave was TS'd last week.

Glad to hear that.  He pissed me off to no end.  He claimed to be 82nd Airborne and if true ... WE don't need that kind of talk from alumi!

KC
Title: Re: More tombstonings and CC callouts
Post by: franksolich on April 07, 2010, 03:08:40 PM
Glad to hear that.  He pissed me off to no end.  He claimed to be 82nd Airborne and if true ... WE don't need that kind of talk from alumni!

Oops, that's something that went way over my head, being a professional civilian and all that.  I guess I just naturally assumed that, like all primitives, he sort of, uh, "stretched" his military credentials and experiences.

Title: Re: More tombstonings and CC callouts
Post by: GOBUCKS on April 07, 2010, 03:20:02 PM
If I recall correctly, the "Omega Minimo" primitive was the nemesis of the maudlin waif, the "Mythsaje" primitive.

This current crop of primitives ain't nuthin', compared with the PoY, the primitives of yore.
Man, isn't that the truth! DUmmy Mythsaje, who has never enjoyed a single ounce of recognition for anything whatsoever in his entire futile, meaningless life (not that he has ever deserved any), could immediately assume a top ten position in the Top Dummy standings if he were to return to the DUmp. He would be a strong contender for Pam Dawson's throne from the first minute of his return. Even the old, drunken, self-important blowhard Pitt could easily reassume a position of prominence. The quality of DUmp characters has dropped like a rock
Title: Re: More tombstonings and CC callouts
Post by: Texacon on April 07, 2010, 03:21:27 PM
Oops, that's something that went way over my head, being a professional civilian and all that.  I guess I just naturally assumed that, like all primitives, he sort of, uh, "stretched" his military credentials and experiences.



He may have been stretching the credentials (which would piss me off even worse) but to claim being a paratrooper and being on 'that' site ..... It gives us all a bad name.

KC
Title: Re: More tombstonings and CC callouts
Post by: chitownchica on April 07, 2010, 03:29:27 PM
You got to be kidding.

Damn, a lot happens on Skins's island when I'm away.

I was going to post it last week, just in case anyone here was interested.  I've only been perusing the DUmp for a year or so and don't know the history on a lot of these people.  He seemed to be one of the more sane ones on certain topics.
Title: Re: More tombstonings and CC callouts
Post by: DumbAss Tanker on April 07, 2010, 04:17:53 PM
He seemed to be one of the more sane ones on certain topics.

A sure sign of terminal illness for denizens of the DUmp.  If they have any shred of rationality, they eventually run afoul of some DU sacred cow (Either in the form of a group, a person, or a meme) and eat granite.
Title: Re: More tombstonings and CC callouts
Post by: franksolich on April 07, 2010, 04:19:22 PM
I was going to post it last week, just in case anyone here was interested.  I've only been perusing the DUmp for a year or so and don't know the history on a lot of these people.  He seemed to be one of the more sane ones on certain topics.

That's the way one unearths potential PoP (primitives of prominence); starting off by just reading threads whose subject and comments one finds amusing.....and then with the passage of time, one's absorbed enough primitives to get an idea what's distinctive about each one.

After which it gets simpler and quicker; one can just zip over to Skins's island, find a particular primitive, and bring material over here.  In fact, one gets to where one can even predict, with utter reliability, what a primitive's said even before reading the primitive's comment.

It saves a lot of time.

For example, when I see Pedro Picasso's name, I know it's a cornucopia of stupidity, or Oscar Wilde's name, I know it's a goldmine of paranoia, or Doug's ex-wife's name, I know it's a big pile of steaming cowshit.....even before I start reading.  Guaranteed results.
Title: Re: More tombstonings and CC callouts
Post by: chitownchica on April 07, 2010, 04:59:04 PM
A sure sign of terminal illness for denizens of the DUmp.  If they have any shred of rationality, they eventually run afoul of some DU sacred cow (Either in the form of a group, a person, or a meme) and eat granite.

Yep - they can't allow the one offs to show the stupidity of the masses - hahaa.  Not saying he was bright or anything. Afterall, he was a regular at the dump.
Title: Re: More tombstonings and CC callouts
Post by: chitownchica on April 07, 2010, 05:01:46 PM
That's the way one unearths potential PoP (primitives of prominence); starting off by just reading threads whose subject and comments one finds amusing.....and then with the passage of time, one's absorbed enough primitives to get an idea what's distinctive about each one.

After which it gets simpler and quicker; one can just zip over to Skins's island, find a particular primitive, and bring material over here.  In fact, one gets to where one can even predict, with utter reliability, what a primitive's said even before reading the primitive's comment.

It saves a lot of time.

For example, when I see Pedro Picasso's name, I know it's a cornucopia of stupidity, or Oscar Wilde's name, I know it's a goldmine of paranoia, or Doug's ex-wife's name, I know it's a big pile of steaming cowshit.....even before I start reading.  Guaranteed results.



I'm definitely learning Frank.  Crazy P2blibtardKS is one I can always count on.

Title: Re: More tombstonings and CC callouts
Post by: franksolich on April 07, 2010, 05:35:51 PM

I'm definitely learning Frank.  Crazy P2blibtardKS is one I can always count on.



Yeah, Anne of the torches and pritchetts is a universal favorite.

I still think her Hate and anger and rage and bitterness is of a physical nature--something wrong with what makes her a woman--and suspect the old (i.e., pre-FDA) Lydia Pinkham's Special Vegetable Compound for Female Disorders would at least somewhat ameliorate her problems.
Title: Re: More tombstonings and CC callouts
Post by: Ree on April 07, 2010, 06:41:42 PM
I've tried to keep up.  Let's see:

peopleforchange (P4C) - the Deaniac site
DemocraticWarrior - BigJerr and home of fister
OldElmTree - a bunch of disgruntled Marxists, the tinkerbelle brigade who got booted, and a few straglers

LU was one but they're long gone.  Of course, look at the idiot who owed it.

There's a few who wandered over to NU.

There's another called progressiveindependent, but they're really a spin off from P4C because the Deaniacs weren't quite kooky enough for them.

I know some of the 911 toofers tried to make ground on some of the above sites but finally decided to do their own things, though I couldn't tell you the names of the sites, much less if they're still up and running.

Anybody remember others?

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More will prolly wander over to NU now that all the rightys are bein banned, given a "time out" or MU'd
Title: Re: More tombstonings and CC callouts
Post by: The Village Idiot on April 07, 2010, 08:09:16 PM
If I recall correctly, the "Omega Minimo" primitive was the nemesis of the maudlin waif, the "Mythsaje" primitive.

This current crop of primitives ain't nuthin', compared with the PoY, the primitives of yore.

That is so true. So many have dropped out its annoying.
Title: Re: More tombstonings and CC callouts
Post by: The Village Idiot on April 07, 2010, 08:12:16 PM
suspect the old (i.e., pre-FDA) Lydia Pinkham's Special Vegetable Compound for Female Disorders would at least somewhat ameliorate her problems.

Wow, you like making us look things up, don't you?  heh.
Title: Re: More tombstonings and CC callouts
Post by: TheSarge on April 08, 2010, 03:01:31 AM
More will prolly wander over to NU now that all the rightys are bein banned, given a "time out" or MU'd

Melissa banned all the righty's?  Say it aint so! [/sarc]
Title: Re: More tombstonings and CC callouts
Post by: Allentownjake on April 08, 2010, 08:32:49 AM
Now boys and girls, why do you never link to my wonderful economic threads where I highlight the lawbreaking of this administration when monitoring my new home.

We disagree on a few things, however you are correct, the understanding of basic economics or things like moral hazard is not there on DU.

Hope all is going well and you are enjoying the soap opera that is DU.

BTW keep your eyes on LA, that one is about to blow unless the President sends Timmeh in with a helicopter full of money to prevent chaos before November.  Nothing more fun than watching a corrupt politician have his corruption blow up in their face regardless if that politician is democrat or republican.


ATJ
Title: Re: More tombstonings and CC callouts
Post by: The Village Idiot on April 08, 2010, 08:34:36 AM
BTW keep your eyes on LA, that one is about to blow unless the President sends Timmeh in with a helicopter full of money to prevent chaos before November.  Nothing more fun than watching a corrupt politician have his corruption blow up in their face regardless if that politician is democrat or republican.

Its not just LA, although that one may blow up first, its every public retirement fund in the country that we taxpayers will be forced to bailout. We shouldn't bail them out.
Title: Re: More tombstonings and CC callouts
Post by: Allentownjake on April 08, 2010, 08:53:54 AM
Its not just LA, although that one may blow up first, its every public retirement fund in the country that we taxpayers will be forced to bailout. We shouldn't bail them out.

California is releasing prisoners, firing cops, and cutting social services in an environment of 12.5% unemployment in the U3 and over 20% in the U6.

30 years of the state increasing services and not correspondingly increasing taxes and using debt to pay for it is coming home to roost when the tax revenues declined due to the depression.  That state and New York state are in worse financial shape than Greece, but they haven't had the runs on them yet.

LA is the epicenter of corruption and stupidity in California.  I expect it to blow first unless there is a Helicopter of money from Tim Geithner dropped into their Mayor's lap.

That mayor is more corrupt than Daley and is scared shitless of what is going to happen when this thing blows.  The question is whether the Feds do an investigation because he is a buddy of the Clintons and now the White House.

No-bid contracts, ridiculous municipal labor contracts, and tax increases on the common citizenry in fees and what not to pay for it.  He's a little Obama.
Title: Re: More tombstonings and CC callouts
Post by: Allentownjake on April 08, 2010, 08:57:29 AM
Its not just LA, although that one may blow up first, its every public retirement fund in the country that we taxpayers will be forced to bailout. We shouldn't bail them out.

As for the Pension funds, Wall Street has been collecting ridiculous fees managing them for the past 10 years and losing money every year.

People need to realize a politician does not give a crap about your retirement.
Title: Re: More tombstonings and CC callouts
Post by: Celtic Rose on April 08, 2010, 09:01:12 AM
California is releasing prisoners, firing cops, and cutting social services in an environment of 12.5% unemployment in the U3 and over 20% in the U6.

30 years of the state increasing services and not correspondingly increasing taxes and using debt to pay for it is coming home to roost when the tax revenues declined due to the depression.  That state and New York state are in worse financial shape than Greece, but they haven't had the runs on them yet.

LA is the epicenter of corruption and stupidity in California.  I expect it to blow first unless there is a Helicopter of money from Tim Geithner dropped into their Mayor's lap.

That mayor is more corrupt than Daley and is scared shitless of what is going to happen when this thing blows.  The question is whether the Feds do an investigation because he is a buddy of the Clintons and now the White House.

No-bid contracts, ridiculous municipal labor contracts, and tax increases on the common citizenry in fees and what not to pay for it.  He's a little Obama.

I really am curious as to what is going to happen to California.  We are broke, unemployment is high, and we have some crazy people in governmental positions.  I worried that LA may collapse and let us know what we are in for in the future.
Title: Re: More tombstonings and CC callouts
Post by: formerlurker on April 08, 2010, 09:05:06 AM
California is releasing prisoners, firing cops, and cutting social services in an environment of 12.5% unemployment in the U3 and over 20% in the U6.

30 years of the state increasing services and not correspondingly increasing taxes and using debt to pay for it is coming home to roost when the tax revenues declined due to the depression.  That state and New York state are in worse financial shape than Greece, but they haven't had the runs on them yet.

LA is the epicenter of corruption and stupidity in California.  I expect it to blow first unless there is a Helicopter of money from Tim Geithner dropped into their Mayor's lap.

That mayor is more corrupt than Daley and is scared shitless of what is going to happen when this thing blows.  The question is whether the Feds do an investigation because he is a buddy of the Clintons and now the White House.

No-bid contracts, ridiculous municipal labor contracts, and tax increases on the common citizenry in fees and what not to pay for it.  He's a little Obama.

Some extremely hard decisions need to be made by the state legislature in CA that will never happen, so the state will crash, burn  -- just in time for midterm elections.
Title: Re: More tombstonings and CC callouts
Post by: The Village Idiot on April 08, 2010, 09:05:11 AM
California is releasing prisoners, firing cops, and cutting social services in an environment of 12.5% unemployment in the U3 and over 20% in the U6.

30 years of the state increasing services and not correspondingly increasing taxes and using debt to pay for it

Their taxes are too high. period. I read that in the last decade more than 40,000 employers have stopped doing business in California. They either closed, moved or simply stopped doing business there.
Title: Re: More tombstonings and CC callouts
Post by: Allentownjake on April 08, 2010, 09:05:36 AM
I really am curious as to what is going to happen to California.  We are broke, unemployment is high, and we have some crazy people in governmental positions.  I worried that LA may collapse and let us know what we are in for in the future.

May 5th LA runs out of money.  Literally as of May 5th their checking account reads negative.  Their comptroller announced that yesterday.

We'll see if the Feds run in and drop money to prevent a large democratic city from declaring bankruptcy 6 months before an election.

  
Title: Re: More tombstonings and CC callouts
Post by: formerlurker on April 08, 2010, 09:06:15 AM
May 5th LA runs out of money.  Literally as of May 5th their checking account reads negative.  Their comptroller announced that yesterday.

We'll see if the Feds run in and drop money to prevent a large democratic city from declaring bankruptcy 6 months before an election.

  

They aren't borrowing money? 
Title: Re: More tombstonings and CC callouts
Post by: Allentownjake on April 08, 2010, 09:06:41 AM
Their taxes are too high. period. I read that in the last decade more than 40,000 employers have stopped doing business in California. They either closed, moved or simply stopped doing business there.

Well when you pay a Garbage man $100,000 a year in San Francisco that is going to happen.
Title: Re: More tombstonings and CC callouts
Post by: Allentownjake on April 08, 2010, 09:08:13 AM
They aren't borrowing money? 

Would you lend it to them?

The Federal Government is crowding out people in the debt markets, and like Greece, when you announce to the world you have a liquidity problem, the world is less likely to loan you funds at a rate that you can pay off.

Title: Re: More tombstonings and CC callouts
Post by: formerlurker on April 08, 2010, 09:09:00 AM
Would you lend it to them?

The Federal Government is crowding out people in the debt markets, and like Greece, when you announce to the world you have a liquidity problem, the world is less likely to loan you funds at a rate that you can pay off.



Did the comptroller comment that they are attempting to borrow money?
Title: Re: More tombstonings and CC callouts
Post by: The Village Idiot on April 08, 2010, 09:09:50 AM
I really am curious as to what is going to happen to California.  We are broke, unemployment is high, and we have some crazy people in governmental positions.  I worried that LA may collapse and let us know what we are in for in the future.

The state that allows quacks to "prescribe" pot to kids will legalize it for everyone this year. Meanwhile the state will become Ethiopia economically and before long the official language will be Spanish. Schools don't teach, but they'll send your 12 year old to an abortion clinic without your knowledge (I guess thats what schools are for these days), they have "nudist" camps for kids only (no parents allowed) where yourr 13 year old daughter can hang out with 17 year old boys unsupervised, that'll work out fine I'm sure.

You got celebutards doing ads and videos encouraging you to raise your own taxes while they hide their huge accounts offshore.

Is anything in California normal? Anything at all?
Title: Re: More tombstonings and CC callouts
Post by: formerlurker on April 08, 2010, 09:11:42 AM

Official: LA mayor cannot shut down city services

Associated Press
04/07/10 3:05 PM PDT
 

LOS ANGELES — A top city analyst says Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa does not have the power to unilaterally shut down city services two days a week.

Chief Legislative Analyst Gerry Miller told the City Council on Wednesday that the council would have to adopt an emergency resolution for such a furlough plan.

Villaraigosa on Tuesday called for the shutdown of non-revenue generating city services two days a week starting Monday. Exceptions would include public safety and sanitation.


Read more at the San Francisco Examiner: http://www.sfexaminer.com/economy/la-mayor-close-offices-2-days-a-week-to-save-cash-90070252.html#ixzz0kWBQNGBQ
Title: Re: More tombstonings and CC callouts
Post by: The Village Idiot on April 08, 2010, 09:13:42 AM
They need to shut down the ethnic community centers and gay libraries right away.
Title: Re: More tombstonings and CC callouts
Post by: Allentownjake on April 08, 2010, 09:14:51 AM
Did the comptroller comment that they are attempting to borrow money?

http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2010/04/la-controller-says-city-could-run-out.html

Title: Re: More tombstonings and CC callouts
Post by: The Village Idiot on April 08, 2010, 09:16:30 AM
They need to cut spending, period.

They need to fund the vital services first and slash everything else to the bone, anything that is not 100% necessary should be abolished.
Title: Re: More tombstonings and CC callouts
Post by: Allentownjake on April 08, 2010, 09:17:06 AM
They need to shut down the ethnic community centers and gay libraries right away.

I think the no-bid contracts with their buddies to provide city services is more the problem.  As it is in the federal government.

Those things while possibly wasteful, are small budgetary line items to keep a few community leaders shut-up.
Title: Re: More tombstonings and CC callouts
Post by: Allentownjake on April 08, 2010, 09:20:12 AM
The state that allows quacks to "prescribe" pot to kids will legalize it for everyone this year. Meanwhile the state will become Ethiopia economically and before long the official language will be Spanish. Schools don't teach, but they'll send your 12 year old to an abortion clinic without your knowledge (I guess thats what schools are for these days), they have "nudist" camps for kids only (no parents allowed) where yourr 13 year old daughter can hang out with 17 year old boys unsupervised, that'll work out fine I'm sure.

You got celebutards doing ads and videos encouraging you to raise your own taxes while they hide their huge accounts offshore.

Is anything in California normal? Anything at all?

Decriminilization and enforcement on age usage would probably solve half their budget problems statewide.  Not a user, but prohibition generally creates a black market and the crimes that are associated with it.

Casinos are more dangerous to a community than Marijuana.  At least keeps the jobless passive.

The Prison unions won't allow that so don't worry.
Title: Re: More tombstonings and CC callouts
Post by: The Village Idiot on April 08, 2010, 09:22:13 AM
There will be no age restriction. There isn't NOW with "medical" (har har har) pot if you know a quack.
Title: Re: More tombstonings and CC callouts
Post by: formerlurker on April 08, 2010, 09:23:01 AM
Ok -- they have the money in reserves to keep operating (chicken little, the sky looks pretty dark and dangerous, but it ain't falling yet).   Pissing match has ensued between DPW and the mayor over transfer of funds, which DPW will end up making.

Employees will get paid, life will go on to June 30th.    The reserves will be hit, and they have to make some significant cuts to move forward solvent.

Pick any-city-in-America and you will see the same thing being played out.  

Oh yeah -- the fun starts when LA's health insurance premiums jump 8-22% more than what they expected for FY11!!!  Woohoo, gimme some more of that hope and change everyone!!
Title: Re: More tombstonings and CC callouts
Post by: Tucker on April 08, 2010, 09:24:36 AM
That site should be a safe haven for DUmmy's. It has this notice in their rules:

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b) Stalking another member, whether individually or as a group is not acceptable.

What shall we do now? :-)
Title: Re: More tombstonings and CC callouts
Post by: Allentownjake on April 08, 2010, 09:24:54 AM
Ok -- they have the money in reserves too keep operating (chicken little, the sky looks pretty dark and dangerous, but it ain't falling yet).   Pissing match has ensued between DPW and the mayor over transfer of funds, which DPW will end up making.

Employees will get paid, life will go on to June 30th.    The reserves will be hit, and they have to make some significant cuts to move forward solvent.

Pick any-city-in-America and you will see the same thing being played out.  

Oh yeah -- the fun starts when LA's health insurance premiums jump 8-22% more than what they expected for FY11!!!  Woohoo, gimme some more of that hope and change everyone!!

It is just a matter of time when competing interest pull the trigger on each other.  Game theory says it is coming sooner rather than later.

Title: Re: More tombstonings and CC callouts
Post by: Allentownjake on April 08, 2010, 09:26:14 AM
Sorry I hijacked your thread...btw any of you figure out how AIG went up in the sell-off yesterday

 :rotf:

We live in interesting times.
Title: Re: More tombstonings and CC callouts
Post by: Allentownjake on April 08, 2010, 09:27:21 AM
Oh and Skinner has that same Toomey advertisement on DU if you log on not as a member. :rotf:

Funny I can't say something nice about Pat as a poster, but Skinner can take Pat's money.

 :rotf:
Title: Re: More tombstonings and CC callouts
Post by: debk on April 08, 2010, 09:28:43 AM
They need to cut spending, period.

They need to fund the vital services first and slash everything else to the bone, anything that is not 100% necessary should be abolished.


From what I heard on the news yesterday - day before?....police, firefighters, and other emergency personnel (ambulance, etc) services are not even under consideration for cutting.

The reporter said it would only be "non-essential" services that would be asked to go to a 3 day week.
Title: Re: More tombstonings and CC callouts
Post by: DumbAss Tanker on April 08, 2010, 09:34:29 AM
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Well when you pay a Garbage man $100,000 a year in San Francisco that is going to happen.

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I think the no-bid contracts with their buddies to provide city services is more the problem.  As it is in the federal government.


That's pretty much the essence of it.  On the left, a lot is made about how the California tax revolt through the initiative and referendum provisions screwed up the state, but the real problem is that government at all levels kept spending as if the tax revenues wouldn't ever run into any of the limits that process imposed.  The state's ability to bail out any of the lower government's is pretty close to nonexistent.
Title: Re: More tombstonings and CC callouts
Post by: NHSparky on April 08, 2010, 09:40:00 AM
They aren't borrowing money? 

Kinda hard to borrow money at anything less than loan-shark interest rates when you've just been downgraded to Aa3.

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-04-07/los-angeles-rating-cut-to-aa3-by-moody-s-on-3-2-billion-bonds.html

And even then, shutting down 2 days a week will only delay the inevitable until July.
Title: Re: More tombstonings and CC callouts
Post by: Allentownjake on April 08, 2010, 09:49:04 AM

That's pretty much the essence of it.  On the left, a lot is made about how the California tax revolt through the initiative and referendum provisions screwed up the state, but the real problem is that government at all levels kept spending as if the tax revenues wouldn't ever run into any of the limits that process imposed.  The state's ability to bail out any of the lower government's is pretty close to nonexistent.


The left has a lot of useful idiots.  They don't understand that they whine about corporate excess all day long, while their leaders make backroom deals to fund the excess.

Interesting article the other day on how San Francisco shut down an entrepeuner who started his own trash collecting business that pissed off Waste Management because well he was expanding because he could collect trash and deliver it to the dump cheaper than they could.

The times Waste Management has gotten itself in trouble for fraud and other shenagigans is hilarious, yet they still get contracts.

Same thing with the Health Care Reform, watching democrats sit starry eyed think the dear leader had delivered them Health Care when all he did was ensure the middleman gets transfer payments from them, they pay a high deductible, and the providers and employers get more paperwork.  He also protected Pharma's rights to not negotiate with the Federal Government on prices.


Title: Re: More tombstonings and CC callouts
Post by: Allentownjake on April 08, 2010, 09:51:05 AM
Kinda hard to borrow money at anything less than loan-shark interest rates when you've just been downgraded to Aa3.

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-04-07/los-angeles-rating-cut-to-aa3-by-moody-s-on-3-2-billion-bonds.html

And even then, shutting down 2 days a week will only delay the inevitable until July.

California and New York State are our Greece.  Their new budgets this year are going to cause a lot of screaming.
Title: Re: More tombstonings and CC callouts
Post by: NHSparky on April 08, 2010, 10:34:51 AM
California and New York State are our Greece.  Their new budgets this year are going to cause a lot of screaming.

I used to live in CA.  Ex still does.  John and Ken on KFI have been screaming about it for years, and have a huge audience/following, but still it keeps getting worse.  No, people aren't going to care until it hits THEIR wallets, or that the so-called "services" they were so used to having aren't there anymore--not like they're there in great quantity or quality now.

LA is so close to chaos now it's not even funny.  Back when I lived there, I used to tell people, "WMD?  Who needs them?  Just give me a dozen stalled cars, and I'd rule this town."
Title: Re: More tombstonings and CC callouts
Post by: The Village Idiot on April 08, 2010, 10:42:52 AM
Sorry I hijacked your thread...btw any of you figure out how AIG went up in the sell-off yesterday

Bailout-O-Rama?
Title: Re: More tombstonings and CC callouts
Post by: Allentownjake on April 08, 2010, 11:26:35 AM
Bailout-O-Rama?

Correct, Timmeh Geithner, the largest enemy to decency in the administration is still papering over his mistake in 2008.
Title: Re: More tombstonings and CC callouts
Post by: The Village Idiot on April 08, 2010, 11:47:58 AM
Correct, Timmeh Geithner, the largest enemy to decency in the administration is still papering over his mistake in 2008.

I remember they wanted to make the bailouts systemic and automatic. That didn't fly. Then months later they wanted to force some of the companies to pay it back, exempting their political favorites.
Title: Re: More tombstonings and CC callouts
Post by: Chris_ on April 08, 2010, 12:06:36 PM
Don't want to turn a firehose on this particular lovefest.......however, I would remind members of this:

http://oldelmtree.com/discussion/index.php?topic=5346.0

That said.......carry on.......

doc
Title: Re: More tombstonings and CC callouts
Post by: DumbAss Tanker on April 08, 2010, 12:33:01 PM
Eh, we know he's a Lib, that doesn't mean he can't win the occasional kewpie doll for a moment of mental clarity.
Title: Re: More tombstonings and CC callouts
Post by: Allentownjake on April 08, 2010, 12:38:58 PM
Eh, we know he's a Lib, that doesn't mean he can't win the occasional kewpie doll for a moment of mental clarity.

I have about as much use for the democrats as I do the republicans at this point.

Too much power concentrated always leads to bad things.  I'd be more than happy to areas of the south where Republican political machines do similar things that democratic ones.

Not a fan of Bush, Not a fan of Obama.
Title: Re: More tombstonings and CC callouts
Post by: Allentownjake on April 08, 2010, 12:41:02 PM
Don't want to turn a firehose on this particular lovefest.......however, I would remind members of this:

http://oldelmtree.com/discussion/index.php?topic=5346.0

That said.......carry on.......

doc

Oh and my opinion has changed since than, less death threats this visit.
Title: Re: More tombstonings and CC callouts
Post by: Chris_ on April 08, 2010, 12:46:08 PM
Eh, we know he's a Lib, that doesn't mean he can't win the occasional kewpie doll for a moment of mental clarity.

Just a gentle reminder that he has been less than straightforward vis-a-vis, his past visits with us, particularly when among those of his political genre......

All are welcome here, and censorship isn't our thing, but I would be less than honest if I didn't caution members that libs using our forums to generate "street cred" in lib forums is one of the traits we should expect.......

I'm just cursed with this whole "integrity" idea.......I know its "Pollyanna".......but I can't help it.... :-)

doc
Title: Re: More tombstonings and CC callouts
Post by: USA4ME on April 08, 2010, 02:19:35 PM
BTW keep your eyes on LA, that one is about to blow unless the President sends Timmeh in with a helicopter full of money to prevent chaos before November.

That's exactly what he's going to do.  It's the Federal takeover of California with the message being sent of "Since you can't handle you own budget, we will.  You either do what we tell you to do or we'll kill you."  The left will applaude it since iron-fisted rule is their first, middle and last name.

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Title: Re: More tombstonings and CC callouts
Post by: USA4ME on April 08, 2010, 02:24:12 PM
30 years of the state increasing services and not correspondingly increasing taxes and using debt to pay for it ....

Allowing illegals come into the State, the illegals paying little to nothing into the system, but their kids get free education, medical, etc... is what buried them.  I can't blame the people for not wanting to pay taxes to support people who shouldn't be in the country in the first place.

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Title: Re: More tombstonings and CC callouts
Post by: Karin on April 08, 2010, 03:17:11 PM
From link provided by TV Doc:
RE:  Teaparty movement
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It will be impossible to work with the Tea Party groups.  You might be angry at the Administration, but that movement is not one to follow or flirt with too much.  The leaders of that group are just as interested as the leaders in the two parties to continue the hate and anger and lack of rational discourse that has gotten us to this point in American History.

ATJ, if you come back here, I just wanted to comment on this comment of yours.  It's problematic to paint the tea party movement with a broad brush, like everyone else is doing.  Everybody wants one pithy paragraph to encapsulate the whole thing.  It can't be done, it's made up of individuals; hence, the homemade signs, not the factory-made ones.

P.S.  I read the whole thread over there, and much was made about your first visit here, with "death threats" ensuing.  Poor Nikki Stone is scared.  Anyway, we may kill our dinner, and we may kill our enemy in a military situation or possible home invasion, but we don't go around killing or even getting into fistfights. 
I'm one of them, and I couldn't really name a "leader."  It's all local, anyway.  The St. Louis tea party is huge, but I don't answer to anyone there, and they don't communicate with me.  

The DUmmies were/are forever asking "what do these douchebags want, anyway?"  It's simple, all you have to do is read the signs.  
Title: Re: More tombstonings and CC callouts
Post by: GOBUCKS on April 08, 2010, 04:21:00 PM
I'll be damned. I thought that douchebag DUmmy Oberholzer was banned a long time ago. He hangs out at that Elm Tree site with the lunatics who are too crazy even for the DUmp.
Title: Re: More tombstonings and CC callouts
Post by: Chris_ on April 08, 2010, 04:33:44 PM
Oh and my opinion has changed since than, less death threats this visit.

Not personally directed at you ATJ......from my perspective, I find your visits enlightening........just counselling my membership to avoid providing you any unnecessary "ammunition" as it were.........

doc
Title: Re: More tombstonings and CC callouts
Post by: Ree on April 08, 2010, 07:25:08 PM
Melissa banned all the righty's?  Say it aint so! [/sarc]
She's on a massive power trip...but it's just so much fun to do this..(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i310/ReeW/smilies/stick-1.gif)
Title: Re: More tombstonings and CC callouts
Post by: franksolich on April 08, 2010, 07:27:30 PM
She's on a massive power trip...but it's just so much fun to do this..(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i310/ReeW/smilies/stick-1.gif)

She's the bitch who didn't like BadCat, right?

Only a considerably maladjusted woman wouldn't like BadCat.
Title: Re: More tombstonings and CC callouts
Post by: whiffleball on April 09, 2010, 05:24:58 AM
I just wanted to add my voice to what Karin has pointed out to ATJ above.

The Tea Party movement is true grassroots actions whether you want to admit to it or not, Jake.  I'm an individual who is active in my state and local TP, but can't be pigeonholed into a party any longer.  Using the broad brush as do your fellow DU'ers and OET'ers makes you nothing more than the hypocrites you accuse everyone who isn't a member of your forums of being.  But, that's expected since it's an established fact that liberals are very hypocritical indeed.

Never, not once, have I heard any ugly epithets or death threats being used during a TP rally.  We have some directed at us by passersby, but respond with smiles and waves.  We always manage to get our point across civilly, show respect and gratitude to LE present for our protection and enjoy the company of one another while teaching our children and grandchildren that it is indeed patriotic to question and disagree with the political decisions being made for our country.

I'm a recovered Democrat who, after years of ignorantly pulling that lever, finally saw it as the party of enslavement of every type imaginable.   Add to that the continued and heightened hatred boiling out of the party and the Obama operatives on so called Democratic sites and the constant victim/race card gambit.  Why would anyone with a shred of human decency and integrity continue to be associated with Democrats?
Title: Re: More tombstonings and CC callouts
Post by: SSG Snuggle Bunny on April 09, 2010, 06:07:15 AM
May 5th LA runs out of money...

Cinco de Mayo.


How apropos.

I just wanted to add my voice to what Karin has pointed out to ATJ above.

The Tea Party movement is true grassroots actions whether you want to admit to it or not, Jake....

Penis envy.

Our local TP coordinator is a small business owner, an electrician IIRC.
Title: Re: More tombstonings and CC callouts
Post by: PatriotGame on April 09, 2010, 07:23:46 AM
I have about as much use for the democrats as I do the republicans at this point.

Too much power concentrated always leads to bad things.  I'd be more than happy to areas of the south where Republican political machines do similar things that democratic ones.

Not a fan of Bush, Not a fan of Obama.

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

Do the world a favor and consume thyself - moron!

(http://media.photobucket.com/image/skittle%20shitting%20unicorns/soms12/unicorn.jpg)

(http://www.rfma.net/media/simpsons_nelson_haha2.jpg)

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Title: Re: More tombstonings and CC callouts
Post by: lastparker on April 09, 2010, 08:41:39 AM
I can always determine if a thread is going to be good when it induces frank to say things like "steaming pile of cowshit" and "bitch".

Carry on.

 :popcorn:
Title: Re: More tombstonings and CC callouts
Post by: littlelamb on April 09, 2010, 08:42:04 AM
One can only wish they would just all go away
Title: Re: More tombstonings and CC callouts
Post by: SSG Snuggle Bunny on April 09, 2010, 09:44:35 AM
Quote
Too much power concentrated always leads to bad things.

Conservative ideology concerning government--as it relates to the individual citizen--at its core speaks to decentralized power...but you can't have welfare and pensions and healthcare without imposing government over the individual.

Decide which is more important to you.

The only place government power need be concentrated is the military and law enforcement and in the latter case the fewer laws we have the less LE plays a role in our lives. The guard against the former is a robust public debate about what sort of nation we want to be...and as Americans are by far the most beneficent people to ever grace this planet it's not really a matter of concern. The only hints of imperialism comes from leftist assholes who use it to slander the intentions of the Cold War and GWoT while turning a blind eye to the bullying of Honduras and Israel and the destruction of traditional alliances to curry favor with psychotic dictators.