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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Tucker on April 05, 2010, 08:21:11 PM
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quinnox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Apr-05-10 05:31 PM
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The problem with splitting the United States into two countries
Edited on Mon Apr-05-10 05:34 PM by quinnox
I have been thinking about this, how the country has been so sharply divided between the republicans and the Democrats, its almost become violent. The Tea baggers keep egging people on and they want to have a revolution apparently.
I think both sides can agree, we don't like the other, we don't need them. So I would be pleased to have a country full of liberals and progressives and all those who lean towards this ideal like Greens and other small elements on the left.
And the republicans would have their own country and their right wing militia extremists, neo nazis and the KKK and so on, all those people who sympathize with the right.
But it would at first seem like a paradise for those on the left. No more idiotic right wingers to deal with in our congress. Universal government run health care. A living wage for everyone. New and vigorous help for the downtrodden in the society like the homeless and drug addicts. Basically a society that cares about the people, not just the rich.
Here is the problem, the big issue... the right wing country would see they are a giant failure compared to the economic success and the high standard of living the liberal country would no doubt enjoy, and they would invade our liberal paradise!
The right wing country would have abject poverty, illiteracy would go up, economic well being would fall rapidly and most everyone would live a poor meager existence except for a handful at the very top, and they would live like a King does in Saudi Arabia.
So they would do the only thing they know how to do well and that is make guns and build an army to try and take us over to steal our resources and our success!
That is why I think ultimately the United States divided into two countries would fail, a war between the two countries would begin started by the right wingers who would be living in misery in their country.
We would invade and enslave you.
Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Apr-05-10 05:47 PM
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4. You can't have a country full of liberals or conservatives...
Demographic studies show every place in the U.S.A a blend. In some areas, the left has an advantage of numbers. In other , the right. No matter how you decide to draw the line, you will have a lot of people pissed off and quite possibly willing to do something violent.
I suspect any breakup of he U.S.A. will be violent, and the various nations will be itching to expand their control.
Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Apr-05-10 05:55 PM
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8. I think it would be good to break up the power structure.
Right now so much power is centered in Washington that there is no way to challenge it. What if there was another nation to the West founded on similar principles but controlling the same amount of wealth and military might? Not a Tea Party country or a hippie country, but one split up the middle on the continental divide containing elements of both. I think clowns like the PNACers and their preemptive wars, torture and laissez faire economic policies would be more hesitant to throw their weight around the world if there was a neighbor on their border that didn't approve of their fascism and maybe could ally with Canada to put on some leverage to help keep the Eastern USA in place.
KonaKane (893 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Apr-05-10 05:58 PM
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9. I've thought for some time that we need to split into five countries
At least. There is a cultural/political affinity that unites those basic five areas, which are roughly New England, The South, The Mid West, The Northwest coast and the Southwest.
The south forms an allegiance with the SW and take over the rest of the US and enslave them.
Aristus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Apr-05-10 06:10 PM
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12. If Right-Wing Nation X tried to invade Liberal Nation, I can envision every progressive nation
in the world coming over to help us out. Canada, the UK, France, Germany, Denmark, Belgium, Norway, Sweden, New Zealand, etc. I think socially conservative nations like India and Mexico would help us out due to support for democracy (do you really think right-wing nation X will be a democracy?). Right-wing, right-leaning and libertarian nations like Finland, Poland, Italy, etc. would not help out R-WNX unless they could be guaranteed a win. Either Israel or Saudi Arabia would come to the rescue of R-WNX, but not both together. And if Israel did use their military forces in support of R-WNX, the entire Arab world would either remain neutral, or help us out.
You really think so. :rotf:
cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Apr-05-10 06:18 PM
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15. this is just stupid.
seriously wanking stupid.
I really think that Cali, with half a brain, is the intellectual leader on the island.
butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Apr-05-10 08:27 PM
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24. Once all that happens...
Edited on Mon Apr-05-10 08:33 PM by butterfly77
then some of their citizens would be begging to our part. The rest of the nuts would be trying to overthrow our country..
And enslave you.
Another one of their drug induced fantasies.
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Here is the problem, the big issue... the right wing country would see they are a giant failure compared to the economic success and the high standard of living the liberal country would no doubt enjoy, and they would invade our liberal paradise!
:lmao: oh god... my sides... :lmao:
Because California and Michigan are doing so well, everyone in the country is flocking to other places like Texas and Tennessee. :rofl:
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I'll be back in Texas pronto if this ever happens.
Here is the problem, the big issue... the right wing country would see they are a giant failure compared to the economic success and the high standard of living the liberal country would no doubt enjoy, and they would invade our liberal paradise!
Is someone developing money growing trees in their hydroponic powered basement?
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The very first thing I read on conservativecave tonight, and I'm stunned into utter wordlessness at the stupidity.
Just speechless.
I open the mouth, and no words come out.
Stupified.
No words.
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I'll be back in Texas pronto if this ever happens.
Is someone developing money growing trees in their hydroponic powered basement?
I'd get back to Tennessee. I do have a residence there.
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I just don't know where to begin with teh stupid. It is everywhere. And a phenomenal read. I needed a laugh.
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If Texas decides to secede, I'm all in.
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Here is the problem, the big issue... the right wing country would see they are a giant failure compared to the economic success and the high standard of living the liberal country would no doubt enjoy, and they would invade our liberal paradise!
:lmao: oh god... my sides... :lmao:
Because California and Michigan are doing so well, everyone in the country is flocking to other places like Texas and Tennessee. :rofl:
I saw this same quote and almost thought it had to be a mole. Amazing stuff. Pretty early in the month, Quinnox must've spent the gub'mint check on some really good stuff.
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If Obama's America is anything like this fool's liberal utopia, they're welcome to it. Double-digit unemployment, rising taxes, out of control spending, and fear about what the government will do to you next? No thanks.
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I saw this same quote and almost thought it had to be a mole. Amazing stuff. Pretty early in the month, Quinnox must've spent the gub'mint check on some really good stuff.
How much is gummint cheese worth in a barter economy? I've heard it's good stuff, but I've dealt with scammers on SSDI... on a good day, your food stamps are worth 75% of their face value in cash.
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Here is a model separation agreement:
We don't like redistributive taxes so you can keep them. You are welcome to the liberal judges and the ACLU. Since you hate guns and war, we'll take our firearms, the cops, the NRA and the military. You can keep Oprah , Michael Moore and Rosie O'Donnell (You are, however, responsible for finding a bio-diesel vehicle big enough to move all three of them).
We'll keep the capitalism, greedy corporations, pharmaceutical companies, Wal-Mart and Wall Street. You can have your beloved homeless, homeboys, hippies and illegal aliens. We'll keep the Alaskan hockey moms, greedy CEO's and rednecks. We'll keep the Bibles and give you NBC and Hollywood .
You can make nice with Iran and Palestine , and we'll retain the right to invade and hammer places that threaten us. You can have the peaceniks and war protesters. When our allies or our way of life are under assault, we'll help provide them security.
We'll keep our Judeo-Christian values. You are welcome to Islam, Scientology, Humanism and Shirley McClain . You can also have the U.N., but we will no longer be paying the bill.
We'll keep the SUVs, pickup trucks and oversized luxury cars. You can take every Subaru station wagon you can find.
You can give everyone healthcare if you can find any practicing doctors. We'll continue to believe healthcare is a service and we take care of those who can not work! We'll keep The Battle Hymn of the Republic and the National Anthem. I'm sure you'll be happy to substitute Imagine, I'd Like to Teach the World to Sing, Kum Ba Ya or We Are the World. We'll keep Christmas and Easter and you can celebrate Kwanzaa, MLK, or any other holiday that you wish to create.
We'll practice trickle down economics and you can give trickle up poverty your best shot. Since it often so offends you, we'll keep our history, our name and our flag.
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Here's a novel idea DUmmie, I hope you're reading this ...
How about we go to something .... ohhhh ... I dunno ... something like the founding fathers envisioned. How about we let the states be sovereign and the federal government become a mediator between them and provide for national security?
Then the people could decide where they wanted to live and work.
Damn, that sounds like a good idea!
Then I need to ask you about this quote;
But it would at first seem like a paradise for those on the left. No more idiotic right wingers to deal with in our congress. Universal government run health care. A living wage for everyone. New and vigorous help for the downtrodden in the society like the homeless and drug addicts. Basically a society that cares about the people, not just the rich.
Just how much homelessness and drug addiction are you expecting in your utopia? Why?
Thanks,
KC
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Here is a model separation agreement:
:clap:
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Just how much homelessness and drug addiction are you expecting in your utopia?
I'm pretty sure they would get all of it.
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If Texas decides to secede, I'm all in.
Same.
A living wage for everyone
Hey DUmbass. I make less than the average welfare queen with a monthly income of around $1500 per month courtesy of the the GI Bill benefits I earned in the service. With that $1500 I can pay rent, a car payment, insurance, health insurance, and bills and still have enough left over to feed myself, put gas in my car and catch the occasional hockey game. I would call that a "living wage." What's your version?
I move that we restrict every person on welfare to no more than what I get as a monthly payment. And put a lifetime maximum on bennies. I say 9 months.
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Here is a model separation agreement:
The post of the year. :cheersmate:
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I vote for the CalPig as poet laureate and the Boob-o-stink as economic advisor. That, my friends, is a model for Utopia.
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So they would do the only thing they know how to do well and that is make guns and build an army to try and take us over to steal our resources and our success!
That is why I think ultimately the United States divided into two countries would fail, a war between the two countries would begin started by the right wingers who would be living in misery in their country.
We would invade them, kill their leaders, and convert them to Christianity. That's the Coulter Doctrine.
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Where are they going to get the money to pay for this liberal utopia they dream of? "The rich" would surely move themselves and their assets away from the 90% tax grabbers to the republic next door with the lower and fairer taxes and fewer regulations. The Left's schemes absolutely depend on bilking those same people, so where would the revenues come from?
Are you going to pay for universal health care with taxes collected from the old hippy on the corner selling hemp shirts?
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If Texas decides to secede, I'm all in.
You and me both!
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Aside from the DUmmies projection about who would have the better lifestyle...what the DUmmies fail to realize is that we wouldn't have to invade and attack them.
They'd come crawling back begging for re-admission to the Union within 12 months.
As we've seen in Congress in the last year...the Libtards are barely capable of wiping their own ass without Federal assistance what the hell makes them think they could run a country at anywhere near the level it is even today?
They'd collapse and we'd just re-absorb them.
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Aside from the DUmmies projection about who would have the better lifestyle...what the DUmmies fail to realize is that we wouldn't have to invade and attack them.
They'd come crawling back begging for re-admission to the Union within 12 months.
As we've seen in Congress in the last year...the Libtards are barely capable of wiping their own ass without Federal assistance what the hell makes them think they could run a country at anywhere near the level it is even today?
They'd collapse and we'd just re-absorb them.
I like the enslave them option better. They're a cancer.
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Wow, that is pathetic.
Does anyone really think the leftists would have a successful economy? Based on what?
The problem is the "progressive" country will try to tax the free country, lol.
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I know how to divvy up the country. Tell the treasonous little bastards they have three days to get out of the country or they will be confined one area in northern Nevada. I've been to northern Nevada. There is plenty of room for all the 12%-ers and their ilk.
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They'd collapse and we'd just re-absorb them.
And just where do they think all of the evil, job-providing corporations would locate? Texas, which would have low taxes on businesses, or Massachussetts, who'd tax corporations at 90%? Every citizen with 2 nickels to rub together, other than the Hollywood asshats, who'd live in the socialist utopia yet shelter their money in our low tax capitalist system, would come to our place.
I'm tellin' ya, secession is sounding better all the time.
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Just in case you didn't get enough mind-numbing stupidity from the thread, some DUmmie tries to make a really lame joke:
damntexdem (1000+ posts) Mon Apr-05-10 07:11 PM
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19. And who would get custody of the colonies?
I mean, the RW country shouldn't get Puerto Rico, because they RWers only believe in speaking English. But what about the Virgin Islands? Wouldn't the religious right jump to conclusions and think everyone was asexual there -- a RW religious paradise?
I cannot stand what passes for senses of humor among the left. Either it's nonexistent, or embarrassingly stupid, like those Tshirt and bumper sticker contests they have over there.
Anyway, our old friend "Name Deleted" showed up twice.
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I know how to divvy up the country. Tell the treasonous little bastards they have three days to get out of the country or they will be confined one area in northern Nevada. I've been to northern Nevada. There is plenty of room for all the 12%-ers and their ilk.
Uh yeah. That is some freaky deaky place for sure. Ew.
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Aside from the DUmmies projection about who would have the better lifestyle...what the DUmmies fail to realize is that we wouldn't have to invade and attack them.
They'd come crawling back begging for re-admission to the Union within 12 months.
As we've seen in Congress in the last year...the Libtards are barely capable of wiping their own ass without Federal assistance what the hell makes them think they could run a country at anywhere near the level it is even today?
They'd collapse and we'd just re-absorb them.
Not a chance!!
In the immortal words of Marie Antoinette, "Let them smoke weed!" or somethin' like that!
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They already smoking weed, heck their 12 years olds can get med pot precription for toe jam in California. Their 12 year old daughters can to nudist summer camps with 17 year old boys and no parents allowed with their condoms from Planned Parenthood and Sluthood pamphlets from the Girl Scouts, that just screams Family Values don't it?.
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That is some new level of teh Stupid on that thread. Good God Almighty they fail to learn from Histrory and all the FAILURES Of liberal ideas. There is a reason that the name DEMOCRAT used to be a swear word and that entire thread is living proof why.
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Remember this particular campfire, folks, when considering the Top Primitives of 2010 seven months hence. I think I'll add a new feature, voting for the stupidest (i.e., most primitival) campfire of the year on Skins's island.
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HE WHO HOLDS AND CONTROLS THE WEED AND CHEETOS SUPPLIES RULES THE DUMMY'S WORLD!
...nuff said...
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I really think that Cali, with half a brain, is the intellectual leader on the island.
Tucker, if the case was based on the terminal stupidity, self-delusion, and mutual hand-jobs and reach-arounds in that DU thread, I'd certainly have to agree with you.
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The right wing country would have abject poverty, illiteracy would go up, economic well being would fall rapidly and most everyone would live a poor meager existence except for a handful at the very top, and they would live like a King does in Saudi Arabia.
Hey buttmunch just who do you plan on taxing for all your social programs if us rightwingers are not in your country?
I say lets do it and 1 year when you are bankrupt you can come crying to us for a loan.
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The DUmmies have it part right. We would invade, and enslave them to work in the rich farmlands of California, and the cane and pineapple fields of Hawaii.
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The liberal side would be like the movie Idiocracy. Enough said.
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Being a RW heartless conservatives, I would not allow these liberals back into the promise land. They made their bed;let them root hog or die. Trying to infiltrate the land of milk and honey would result in imprisonment/slavery or deportation. Once we get rid of these liberal nuts, they do not get a second chance at screwing our conservative society up again.
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The DUmmies have it part right. We would invade, and enslave them to work in the rich farmlands of California, and the cane and pineapple fields of Hawaii.
No... you'd just end up starting the cycle all over again by bringing them into the same country.
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Well, the red half will strictly enforce its borders, so the moonbat half, in addition to all the freeloaders, will get all the illegal mexicans. There will be so many mexicans, the moonbats will instantly be a minority in their own asylum. They want illegal mexicans to get Omnesty and the vote, so after the separation they better hope all those wetback voters look kindly upon their democrat moonbat compatriots.
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As long as they make the border between the two a strictly-enforced deadly force zone, with legal immigration both ways for those who want to completely disavow the principles of the side they are leaving and unreservedly accept the principles of the one they are moving to, I'm totally down with it.
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As long as they make the border between the two a strictly-enforced deadly force zone, with legal immigration both ways for those who want to completely disavow the principles of the side they are leaving and unreservedly accept the principles of the one they are moving to, I'm totally down with it.
NO. No moonbat converts. They can't be trusted. They lie. All the time, they lie.
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As long as they make the border between the two a strictly-enforced deadly force zone, with legal immigration both ways for those who want to completely disavow the principles of the side they are leaving and unreservedly accept the principles of the one they are moving to, I'm totally down with it.
There would be some of us trapped behind enemy lines. Oh well . . . :fuelfire:
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NO. No moonbat converts. They can't be trusted. They lie. All the time, they lie.
Maybe a test, simple essay questions like:
"What should the gov't do for you?"
"What is the result of lower taxes? Give examples from the past."
"What does the phrase 'Your right to swing your fist stops at my nose' mean?"
We'd figure out who belonged pretty quickly...
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There would be some of us trapped behind enemy lines. Oh well . . . :fuelfire:
Ya really don't think liberals are smart enough to keep us in, do ya? As for getting into "Red State", all you'd have to do is show your cache of weapons of liberal maiming and destruction!
Let's face it, barely 5% of progressives actually own fire arms. 50% brag they are packin', but you and I both know they're blowin' that out their ass!
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NO. No moonbat converts. They can't be trusted. They lie. All the time, they lie.
I was looking at it as a way to humanely to get rid of our mental cases, as well.
:-)
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I was looking at it as a way to humanely to get rid of our mental cases, as well.
That doesn't require two-way movement. Castro showed us that when he dumped his criminals and hopelessly insane on poor stupid Jimmuh Carter.
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Ya really don't think liberals are smart enough to keep us in, do ya? As for getting into "Red State", all you'd have to do is show your cache of weapons of liberal maiming and destruction!
Let's face it, barely 5% of progressives actually own fire arms. 50% brag they are packin', but you and I both know they're blowin' that out their ass!
Who said that we don't want to stay and raise Hell behind those lines? :naughty: :evillaugh:
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Who said that we don't want to stay and raise Hell behind those lines? :naughty: :evillaugh:
It'd be just too damn easy! They all huddle in groups! You ain't never goin' to find a liberal brave enough to open his mouth unless he's got you out numbered 100 to 1! It would look like Somme during WWI again, w/one sided casualties!
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As long as they make the border between the two a strictly-enforced deadly force zone
landmines
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landmines
I dunno, unless they're claymores, too difficult to remember where ya stashed 'em when you're done.
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It'd be just too damn easy!
Tell me how this is a problem . . . :uhsure:
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Tell me how this is a problem . . . :uhsure:
I at least give ground squirrels a chance by shootin' 'em at 200 yds! The way liberals bunch together, it'd be worse than shootin' fish in a barrel!
Where's the sporting chance?
ETA: ( I guess we could use "over the shoulder boulder holders", in order to give 'em a chance... )
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I at least give ground squirrels a chance by shootin' 'em at 200 yds! The way liberals bunch together, it'd be worse than shootin' fish in a barrel!
Where's the sporting chance?
ETA: ( I guess we could use "over the shoulder boulder holders", in order to give 'em a chance... )
But you know that they would give us a similar chance. :whatever: Turnabout is fair play. So, once again, tell me where this is a problem . . . :tongue:
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But you know that they would give us a similar chance. :whatever: Turnabout is fair play. So, once again, tell me where this is a problem . . . :tongue:
I'd love for 'em to give me a "chance"! Right now, mending from having a Doctor up to his elbows in my abdominal cavity, it would allow me to take out a few frustrations!
Besides, I'm of the opinion if you walked up to a dozen of 'em and yelled BOO!, they'd scatter like mice under a hay bale when you turn it over!
I actually fail to see how they could injure us, but you're right, if they could, they'd stab us in the back every time, then run away, so we could see the yellow stripe that runs down their back! The only difference between a skunk and a DUmmie is the color of the stripe!
...for you lurkers, a hammer short of a sack, it means y'all are frikkin' cowards!
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Walter Williams weighs in on the issue:
http://townhall.com/columnists/WalterEWilliams/2010/04/07/parting_company
Here's the question asked in my September 2000 column titled "It's Time To Part Company": "If one group of people prefers government control and management of people's lives and another prefers liberty and a desire to be left alone, should they be required to fight, antagonize one another, risk bloodshed and loss of life in order to impose their preferences or should they be able to peaceably part company and go their separate ways?"
The problem that our nation faces is very much like a marriage where one partner has broken, and has no intention of keeping, the marital vows. Of course, the marriage can remain intact and one party tries to impose his will on the other and engage in the deviousness of one-upsmanship. Rather than submission by one party or domestic violence, a more peaceable alternative is separation.
I believe we are nearing a point where there are enough irreconcilable differences between those Americans who want to control other Americans and those Americans who want to be left alone that separation is the only peaceable alternative. Just as in a marriage, where vows are broken, our human rights protections guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution have been grossly violated by a government instituted to protect them. The Democrat-controlled Washington is simply an escalation of a process that has been in full stride for at least two decades. There is no evidence that Americans who are responsible for and support constitutional abrogation have any intention of mending their ways.
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doc
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The Great Fall may just be the impetus to give us that separation.
Give the leftists California, Seattle, New England and wall them off.
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Aristus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Apr-05-10 06:10 PM
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12. If Right-Wing Nation X tried to invade Liberal Nation, I can envision every progressive nation
in the world coming over to help us out. Canada, the UK, France, Germany, Denmark, Belgium, Norway, Sweden, New Zealand, etc
You can hope BUTT what you and your burnt-out hippie comrades would soon find out is that your imaginary liberal friends in Canada, France, etc. have ZERO interest in getting killed while defending a bunch of old burnt-out stoner hippie Americans.
Thus your Saturday Matinee revolution would be extremely short lived.
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Walter Williams weighs in on the issue:
http://townhall.com/columnists/WalterEWilliams/2010/04/07/parting_company
Here's the question asked in my September 2000 column titled "It's Time To Part Company": "If one group of people prefers government control and management of people's lives and another prefers liberty and a desire to be left alone, should they be required to fight, antagonize one another, risk bloodshed and loss of life in order to impose their preferences or should they be able to peaceably part company and go their separate ways?"
The problem that our nation faces is very much like a marriage where one partner has broken, and has no intention of keeping, the marital vows. Of course, the marriage can remain intact and one party tries to impose his will on the other and engage in the deviousness of one-upsmanship. Rather than submission by one party or domestic violence, a more peaceable alternative is separation.
I believe we are nearing a point where there are enough irreconcilable differences between those Americans who want to control other Americans and those Americans who want to be left alone that separation is the only peaceable alternative. Just as in a marriage, where vows are broken, our human rights protections guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution have been grossly violated by a government instituted to protect them. The Democrat-controlled Washington is simply an escalation of a process that has been in full stride for at least two decades. There is no evidence that Americans who are responsible for and support constitutional abrogation have any intention of mending their ways.
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doc
We may just have to go the Texas route and shoot the philanderer to end the marriage. :-)
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