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Current Events => Politics => Topic started by: 5412 on March 24, 2010, 08:02:32 AM
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Hi,
As Rush Limbaugh stated, the democrats have just destroyed the greatest medical care system on the planet. There is likely one fallout which does not seem to get any discussion.
As I approcach my 70th birthday I recall several times in my life commenting "Twenty years ago that medical advance was not available and he/she would liklely have died."
In a capitalist society companies and individuals have great incentives to research and improve things in order for them to personally profit. One quick example. In the last few years my wife has had both knees replaced with a "partial" knee replacement. The partial is much easier on the patient, less expensive, and has a much quicker recovery period. The doctor who performed the surgery happens to be one of the folks who worked on the original research to develop the technology.
As a result, he obviously earns a good income; particularly for a man who is in his early 40's, but also he has thousands of patients who have benefitted as well. They are better of because they are pain free, medical costs were lower than that of a full knee replacement, and the procedure was much less difficult on them. It was a win for those who developed the procedure and a win for society as well all the way around. I received a very disturbing email from him the day the health care bill passed the House of Representatives. Basically he is questioning whether he can continue to even practice medicine. I wish I could have offered him more encouragement but I could not.
Now I ask you all this question. When the government takes us from capitalism to socialism in medicine, what incentive do doctors, hospitals, medical device manufacturers and drug companies have to innovate? The only innovation that will take place is how to make their particular product, or perform their particular service cheaper and faster so they might hopefully make a profit under the government mandated reimbursement system. If the government mandates the pittance they are going to pay you as a greedy doctor or pharmaceutical company for example, then instead of improvement, you will innovate to cut your costs in order to make a profit at the price the government is willing to pay.
We have a perfect example in the automobile industry There was a terrific article by Csaba Czere in one of the auto magazines about five years ago about GM. His line that struck me was when is GM going to learn they cannot cost cut their way to prosperity. Instead of building an automobile the public actually wants, they went about building autos to sell at a certain price point and they continued to lose market share. Of course now that they are government motors it will be all better.
So what is my point? Think of the many hundreds, if not thousands, of medical breakthroughs that have happened in your lifetime. Do you think that you will continue to see that kind of innovation over the next generation? Not a chance! Thanks libs for nothing.... Twenty, thirty years from now we will be stuck in a time machine with turn of the century technology because the government decided to destroy capitalism in the name of social justice.
regards,
5412
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If Truman managed to put through "universal" "health" "care," we'd have the best iron lung in the world. A cure for polio? Not so much.
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People seem to forget, or don't realize, that it was marketing efforts by the health insurance company's that built the hospitals, bought the equipment and hired the staff. And it was the efforts of the health insurance industry that made possible the advances in medicine.
I call your attention the the fact that there are no government owned hospitals. When single payer gets here the insurance company's will be leasing their faculty's to the government at a "modest " profit.
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In my wildest dreams did I ever think that socialized meds legislation would ever be passed in this country. As others have said, equipment/drug research and development, doctor and hospital care, etc will deteriorate under government care. Adding 30 million patients will cause rationing. Doctors will refuse to see new patients and many will retire or cut back on their hours. Obamacare will also put a chilling effect on those who are thinking about joining the medical profession.
As a retiree, countries south of the border and in the Carribean are looking better and better.
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University of Tennessee Medical Center was part of the University....a state universtiy. A teaching hospital.
Several years ago, the state sold the medical center. It is now part of University Health System Inc.
The state had to sell it as it could not afford the medical center.
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If Truman managed to put through "universal" "health" "care," we'd have the best iron lung in the world. A cure for polio? Not so much.
Hi Splashdown,
As luck would have it, I actually talked with Glenn Beck for all of ten seconds today. I gave him your line about the iron lung.....he looked me straight in the eye and said, you know that is really true! Be interesting if it gets on the air.
regards,
5412
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They knew damn well that this would happen when they began this BS on so called HCB.
The main reason they could give a shit less is that it will work very well as a population control tool.
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They knew damn well that this would happen when they began this BS on so called HCB.
The main reason they could give a shit less is that it will work very well as a population control tool.
I am not so convinced yet that they are as smart as some claim. What I mean is that some claim everything they are doing is for the purpose of total collapse. I do believe they wish to collapse certain pieces to gain power over those areas and sectors of the economy, no doubt.
Why I believe this is due to how absolutely complex of a conspiracy it would take to achieve the goal. I do believe that they actually are convinced that what they are doing is right, on all grounds. They believe that socialism works hence the control they seek economically and within our lives. They believe they are looking out for the best for everyone. Beliefs can be really scary things. A belief can make someone refuse to look at reality and it will cause them to twist the truth for their own agenda.
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As luck would have it, I actually talked with Glenn Beck for all of ten seconds today. I gave him your line about the iron lung.....he looked me straight in the eye and said, you know that is really true! Be interesting if it gets on the air.
lol. Keep an eye out for that!
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I am not so convinced yet that they are as smart as some claim. What I mean is that some claim everything they are doing is for the purpose of total collapse. I do believe they wish to collapse certain pieces to gain power over those areas and sectors of the economy, no doubt.
Why I believe this is due to how absolutely complex of a conspiracy it would take to achieve the goal. I do believe that they actually are convinced that what they are doing is right, on all grounds. They believe that socialism works hence the control they seek economically and within our lives. They believe they are looking out for the best for everyone. Beliefs can be really scary things. A belief can make someone refuse to look at reality and it will cause them to twist the truth for their own agenda.
Disagree. They KNOW socialism doesn't work and never has. They BELIEVE the reason it will work here is because they are in charge and smarter than everyone else.
It only takes a 6th grade education to figure out charging a 40% tax on the value of a health care plan is not sustainable for an organization.
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Disagree. They KNOW socialism doesn't work and never has. They BELIEVE the reason it will work here is because they are in charge and smarter than everyone else.
It only takes a 6th grade education to figure out charging a 40% tax on the value of a health care plan is not sustainable for an organization.
Hi,
Boy I see things differently. I think BO is like Ayers a communist. He wants the system to collapse so he can be the next Hugo Chavez.
nite,
5412
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Hi,
Boy I see things differently. I think BO is like Ayers a communist. He wants the system to collapse so he can be the next Hugo Chavez.
nite,
5412
I agree with you re: Obama. I think that most in Congress are the true socialists.
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Hi,
Boy I see things differently. I think BO is like Ayers a communist. He wants the system to collapse so he can be the next Hugo Chavez.
nite,
5412
I agree they want the entire system to go down the tubes. They are doing their best to make that happen. When it does , Obozo can order marshal law and be the dictator he so wants to be.
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I agree they want the entire system to go down the tubes. They are doing their best to make that happen. When it does , Obozo can order marshal law and be the dictator he so wants to be.
Hi,
While that may be the plan, and I suspect it is because it is in rules for radicals, it ain't gonna work.
regards,
5412
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Hi Splashdown,
As luck would have it, I actually talked with Glenn Beck for all of ten seconds today. I gave him your line about the iron lung.....he looked me straight in the eye and said, you know that is really true! Be interesting if it gets on the air.
regards,
5412
I'm honored!
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I'm honored!
Hi,
You should be honored it could become a classis war cry!
BTW, the letter I wrote got published in the Sunday edition of the Tampa Tribune.
regards,
5412
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Hi,
You should be honored it could become a classis war cry!
BTW, the letter I wrote got published in the Sunday edition of the Tampa Tribune.
regards,
5412
I want a signed copy... it could be worth something someday!