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Current Events => Breaking News => Topic started by: miskie on March 20, 2010, 02:51:10 PM
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BREAKING -- House to vote on the Senate bill
The House is going to vote on the Senate bill, foregoing the controversial "Slaughter Solution" that would have allowed members to avoid voting directly on the Senate legislation, which many House Democrats have problems with, according to lawmakers leaving an afternoon whip meeting.
Link Here.. (http://www.politico.com/livepulse/0310/BREAKING__House_to_vote_on_the_Senate_bill_.html#)
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I guess it means they think they've got the votes....
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That may be so, but honestly, I expected no other result. However, this is good news for other reasons
Most of them being that the Dems can't hide behind their vote. Its also good because it shows again, that there is only one bill under consideration, and all the crap that Obama has been spewing about changes, bipartisanship, etc. etc. mean nothing.
It also means there is no reconciliation - the Democrats want to change it, they need to introduce a new set of amendments that need to go through congress the normal way.
Although this is wishful thinking, It could also be signalling -- Pelosi is letting the existing bill go down in flames and is willing to start over.
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This means one of two things.
1) they have the votes and don't need such a dastardly maneuver. (more likely got burned with the publicity)
or
2) they lied. They will use the Slaughter Rule anyway...knowing the media won't report the last minute switch.
Bottom line: Democrats lie. The democrats will toss the constitution every time it becomes inconvenient.
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This means one of two things.
1) they have the votes and don't need such a dastardly maneuver. (more likely got burned with the publicity)
or
2) they lied. They will use the Slaughter Rule anyway...knowing the media won't report the last minute switch.
Bottom line: Democrats lie. The democrats will toss the constitution every time it becomes inconvenient.
I hear Hoyer this afternoon and from what he said, I am still confused about what they are doing.
If they are forgoing the "deeming" does that mean it goes back to the Senate before it goes to Obama?
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I hear Hoyer this afternoon and from what he said, I am still confused about what they are doing.
If they are forgoing the "deeming" does that mean it goes back to the Senate before it goes to Obama?
"Deeming is also known as the "Slaughter Solution", where a bill would be considered "passed" without a vote....
"Deem and pass" is the technical term for it....
IF these numbnuts pass the Senate bill, it's ready for Zero's autograph, no changes, no reconciliation, no nothing....
The Senate bill passed on Christmas Eve, becomes law....
Merry Christmas, Happy Easter....
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I hear Hoyer this afternoon and from what he said, I am still confused about what they are doing.
If they are forgoing the "deeming" does that mean it goes back to the Senate before it goes to Obama?
A short timeline
1. Senate passed a bill on Christmas eve.
2. Congressional Democrats hate the bill, and want their own Ponies added.
3. Scott Brown wins an unlikely contest in Massachusetts, Giving the Senate Republicans back the filibuster.
4. Congressional Democrats know that because of Brown, they can't railroad changes they make to the Senate bill back through the Senate. Democrats in congress are feeling pressure from both far left and moderate Democrats back home who both hate the Senate bill for differing reasons and they don't really want to vote on this bill at all.
5. Obama leans hard on Congress, claims his presidency rides on this bill.
6. 'Deem and Pass' is considered - meaning that the Congress gets to vote only on the reconciliation, not the actual bill - if the reconciliation passes, the bill it reconciles passes automatically- this would toss the hot potato back into the Senate's lap.
7. Apparently, the people who listen to the wrong talk radio, and watch the wrong channels on TV have made enough of a stink about this that this move is now considered more toxic than the original bill.
What congress does now ? who knows.. I suspect it will pass followed by an amendment bill. Obama signs the Senate's healthcare bill, and then when the Senate filibusters the amendment bill, Congressional Democrats can finally blame Republicans for something - which will make them all happy.
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I'm still not sure that it passes. Obama wants illegal aliens to be covered in the bill. So does the Hispanic Caucus. They have said that, if illegals aren't covered in the bill, then they're not voting for it. If they carry through on this, the bill is dead. The Senate bill doesn't cover illegals. If the House tries to "fix" it afterward, they run the risk of it being stopped in the Senate.
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(http://www.foxnews.com/projects/misc_images/nutally.jpg)
:banghead:
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y53/ColonialMarine/Obamarama/So%20this/0320.jpg)
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I'm still not sure that it passes. Obama wants illegal aliens to be covered in the bill. So does the Hispanic Caucus. They have said that, if illegals aren't covered in the bill, then they're not voting for it. If they carry through on this, the bill is dead. The Senate bill doesn't cover illegals. If the House tries to "fix" it afterward, they run the risk of it being stopped in the Senate.
They are going to vote for it, and then blame Senate Republicans once nobody gets any ponies for four years.
This is how they intend to stop the bleeding that voting for this bill will cause the Democrats. -- By going back to what they do best.. Blame Bush.
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Hmmm . . . seems that someone didn't like a window in one of Louise Slaughter's offices . . .
http://www.buffalonews.com/2010/03/19/993040/brick-thrown-through-window-in.html
Miskie, "blame Bush" doesn't hold water any more. I think that they know it--and the Tea Partiers are reinforcing that message. The message will get louder as more of this mess is revealed over the next few months.
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Has anyone been paying attention? It will be voted on when they get the votes.
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Has anyone been paying attention? It will be voted on when they get the votes.
Last I heard they have a vote scheduled for Sunday, but I'm not exactly sure what time.
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(http://www.foxnews.com/projects/misc_images/nutally.jpg)
:banghead:
Hang in there bud...here's another site...
Another blog breaks it down with
205 in favor
207 Opposed
10 leaning No
9 Unknown.
There is still hope.
Link (http://news.firedoglake.com/2010/03/20/jim-matheson-to-vote-no-on-health-care)
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I hope it loses big
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Miskie, "blame Bush" doesn't hold water any more. I think that they know it--and the Tea Partiers are reinforcing that message. The message will get louder as more of this mess is revealed over the next few months.
'Blame Bush' doesn't work for rational, thinking people - but the idiot Obama worshippers lap it up.
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It must be getting close, they've just played the race card and the pervert sex card.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/3457015
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Hope it doesn't pass.
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It must be getting close, they've just played the race card and the pervert sex card.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/3457015
The perverts are on their side.
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It must be getting close, they've just played the race card and the pervert sex card.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/3457015
Talk about perverts and racists, check out some of the comments following the article....
You can count the working brain cells on one hand....
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Talk about perverts and racists, check out some of the comments following the article....
You can count the working brain cells on one hand....
I read a few....LOL
Lets say some in the tea party want Obama out because he's black....hell, most of the liberals voted for him because he's black.
I'd say it all comes out in the wash.
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It seems Stupak has caved
anyone??
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It seems Stupak has caved
anyone??
Show of hands if you are surprised?
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bbbaaahhhhh
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If this is the Senate version then all the bribes are in there..correct?
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Caved, cashed in. Either or.
Scumbag.
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It's done.
228 199.
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It's done.
228 199.
source?
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The Demwhore Party kills America.
RINO's will say "bbbaaaahhhhhh, bbbaaahhhh"
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source?
CNN live
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CNN live
Thanks.
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It's done.
228 199.
wow. I figured 220. Must have been quite the circle jerk and scratching backs going on.
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According to Fox News they haven't voted yet
How can an executive order change the law?
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wow. I figured 220. Must have been quite the circle jerk and scratching backs going on.
Some just want to be on the winning side. They really don't care which side that is.
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According to Fox News they haven't voted yet
How can an executive order change the law?
It can't. Any promise Lord Zero made to Stupak regarding an EO regarding any funding passed in this bill is a load of BS, and every congressperson knows it.
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It can't. Any promise Lord Zero made to Stupak regarding an EO regarding any funding passed in this bill is a load of BS, and every congressperson knows it.
Except for the people of Michigan who think Stupidpak did something spechual.
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Except for the people of Michigan who think Stupidpak did something spechual.
Indeed - Obama has quite the track record of saying one thing and doing another.
Goes to prove how stupid Democrats are
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Actually, I think they just voted on the "rules for debate" and not the actual HCR bill yet. That screwing comes later on..... :banghead:
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Indeed - Obama has quite the track record of saying one thing and doing another.
Goes to prove how stupid DemoCRAPS are
Fixed.