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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: franksolich on March 20, 2010, 01:07:36 PM
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7960040
Oh my.
proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Fri Mar-19-10 09:12 PM
FRAU ANNE, THE DIE ALTE SAU
#19 TOP PRIMITIVE OF 2009
THE DYSMENOPAUSAL KANSAS SCHOOL TEACHER
Original message
If the NCAA tournament was decided by a team's academic performance the Jayhawks would already be the champions according to InsideHigherEd.com!
http://bit.ly/doJjji
after which a chart
lazarus (1000+ posts) Fri Mar-19-10 09:13 PM
Response to Original message
1. well
thankfully they didn't decide our College Bowl matches on athletic ability.
mzteris (1000+ posts) Fri Mar-19-10 09:17 PM
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2. even if the % graduated is higher - there's no way in HELL that Kansas has a BETTER EDUCATION that DUKE!! I mean, really, do you honestly believe a degree from Kansas is as "good" as one from DUKE?
Now, that's just stupid.....and elitist to boost.
The University of Kansas has to meet the same minimal standards as Duke University, and since it does, it's just as good as Duke.
Elitist.
DURHAM D (1000+ posts) Fri Mar-19-10 09:34 PM
Response to Reply #2
5. I don't know about that.
I am typing this from the shadow of the Duke chapel and over the past 20 years have met/become acquainted with a lot of students. With a few notable exceptions they are mostly kids from wealthy families that are best at being aggressive. Not smart. Not educated. Just aggressive. They seem to spend more time harassing professors, complaining if much is expected of them and trying to get out of doing any meaningful research/writing/studying.
JFTR - I have several family members over four generations that are KU grads.
So YES - I think a KU education is possibly as good or better than Duke. However, you won't leave school with the same opportunity for social power networking. In other words, no wall street job so less money.
mzteris (1000+ posts) Fri Mar-19-10 09:52 PM
THE POMPOUS ARROGANT ELITIST PRIMITIVE
Response to Reply #5
7. oh puhleeze
there's no way in hell a degree from "Kansas" can be considered in the same ballpark as a degree with "DUKE". they're miles apart and Duke carries prestige, not so much Kansas. Sorry. You're individual "stories" not withstanding.
proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Fri Mar-19-10 10:17 PM
FRAU ANNE, THE DIE ALTE SAU
THE DYSMENOPAUSAL KANSAS SCHOOL TEACHER
#19 TOP PRIMITIVE OF 2009
Response to Reply #5
12. KU is an excellent school with a great reputation
They gave me a diploma
Massacure (1000+ posts) Fri Mar-19-10 10:21 PM
Response to Reply #2
14. I do believe you can get as good of an education at Kansas as you can at Duke.
The degree from Duke is better, but I'm not convinced the education is.
Prestige =/= Education.
proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Fri Mar-19-10 10:28 PM
FRAU ANNE, THE DIE ALTE SAU
THE DYSMENOPAUSAL KANSAS SCHOOL TEACHER
#19 TOP PRIMITIVE OF 2009
Response to Reply #14
17. Kansas has a player with a 3.9
That helps on this ranking.
DURHAM D (1000+ posts) Fri Mar-19-10 10:43 PM
Response to Reply #14
19. Totally agree.
Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Fri Mar-19-10 09:18 PM
Response to Original message
3. Yea, that says a lot. You've got Texas in the Final Four.
proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Fri Mar-19-10 09:20 PM
FRAU ANNE, THE DIE ALTE SAU
THE DYSMENOPAUSAL KANSAS SCHOOL TEACHER
#19 TOP PRIMITIVE OF 2009
Response to Reply #3
4. Their players must be good students then
Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Fri Mar-19-10 09:54 PM
Response to Reply #4
8. Never mind.
kywildcat (458 posts) Fri Mar-19-10 09:42 PM
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6. I think Sr. Rose at Xavier would have something to say about where Xavier lands on the above list. Xavier has one of the highest student athlete graduation rates in college-thanks to her. Someone can say they went to Duke, but if they don't have the paper showing they stuck it out, graduated and participated in a world class athletic program-then all of the schools listed above are training grounds for the pro's-nothing more.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/16/sports/ncaabasketball...
proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Fri Mar-19-10 10:15 PM
FRAU ANNE, THE DIE ALTE SAU
THE DYSMENOPAUSAL KANSAS SCHOOL TEACHER
#19 TOP PRIMITIVE OF 2009
Response to Reply #6
10. It's a rating of the current players' grades
Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Fri Mar-19-10 09:55 PM
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9. How does Cornell lose to Texas?
Or anyone else?
proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Fri Mar-19-10 10:16 PM
FRAU ANNE, THE [/I]DIE ALTE SAU[/I]
THE DYSMENOPAUSAL KANSAS SCHOOL TEACHER
#19 TOP PRIMITIVE OF 2009
Response to Reply #9
11. Their players have lower GPAs
grantcart (1000+ posts) Fri Mar-19-10 10:19 PM
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13. Interesting but Baylor and BYU are captive religious schools that have high graduation rates but cannot be seriously considered honest halls of scholarship.
proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Fri Mar-19-10 10:27 PM
FRAU ANNE, THE DIE ALTE SAU
THE DYSMENOPAUSAL KANSAS SCHOOL TEACHER
#19 TOP PRIMITIVE OF 2009
Response to Reply #13
15. It's a ranking of the GPAs of the athletes
Ocracoker16 (1000+ posts) Fri Mar-19-10 10:28 PM
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16. this really doesn't make much sense
Part of the problem is that you are not explaining what academic performance means in the context of this study. APR is based on keeping players elgible. I think that it is important to keep student athletes in school. However, I don't think that is the best indicator of academic excellence. How do you account for schools that have more rigorous academic programs making staying elgible more challenging. There are plenty of schools that make a big effort to keep kids elgible by putting them in the most basic of classes. Some schools have such a good reputation based on their athletic programs that professors feel like they can't flunk them so they just give them D's. There have been instances of coaches approaching professors and telling them that an F is not ok and they better give a D.
Statistics can be very misleading if they are not interpreted correctly. Using a statistic that is very specific to make a more generalized conclusion is irresponsible.
proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Fri Mar-19-10 10:30 PM
FRAU ANNE, THE DIE ALTE SAU
THE DYSMENOPAUSAL KANSAS SCHOOL TEACHER
#19 TOP PRIMITIVE OF 2009
Response to Reply #16
18. You make excellent points
But since my alma mater is going to win it all anyway, . . .
kywildcat (458 posts) Sat Mar-20-10 07:23 AM
Response to Reply #18
20. proud2blibKansan-I always look forward to your posts-but I have to say-Kentucky might have something to say about this one.
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They are talking about major university basketball players. Most cannot spell their names, and will not learn to do it before leaving school. Nearly all the starters will be on the dole before age 30. A tiny handful will be NBA millionaires, and avoid the dole until age 40. The guys at the end of the bench, who play the last two minutes of a blowout, may get degrees and lead normal successful lives. A very few schools, like Duke, Stanford, Vanderbilt, and Notre Dame refuse admission to illiterates, but they're in the minority.
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I don't think the Jayhawks are gonna make it.
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I don't think the Jayhawks are gonna make it.
Northern Iowa wins... :lmao:
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:rotf: :rotf: :rotf:
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If the NCAA tournament was decided by a team's academic performance...
...then say hello to National Champion USMA (or another service academy.)
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Now, that's just stupid.....and elitist to boost.
The University of Kansas has to meet the same minimal standards as Duke University, and since it does, it's just as good as Duke.
Elitist.
Sorry, coach--got to disagree with you there. Are you saying the admissions criteria for Kansas are equal to that of Duke?
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Sorry, coach--got to disagree with you there. Are you saying the admissions criteria for Kansas are equal to that of Duke?
No, sir, I'm not saying the admissions criteria are equal.
The University of Nebraska used to be required, by law (not existent anymore), to accept all applicants graduates of high schools in Nebraska, no matter their high school academic records. One just had to be a graduate of a high school in Nebraska.
Pretty lax admissions standards, there (but with which I happen to agree).
What I am saying is that the University of Kansas and Duke University have to meet certain standards for accreditation (accreditation for different things), and they both apparently meet those standards.
There's a difference between "quality" and "prestige" (or "reputation").
I'm sure the University of Kansas has produced just as many high-quality professionals as has Duke University.
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(1000+ posts) Fri Mar-19-10 10:17 PM
FRAU ANNE, THE DIE ALTE SAU
THE DYSMENOPAUSAL KANSAS SCHOOL TEACHER
#19 TOP PRIMITIVE OF 2009
Response to Reply #5
12. KU is an excellent school with a great reputation
They gave me a diploma
The majority of students earn their Diplomas. The fact you consider yours to have been given to you speaks volumes about the quality of you and your supposed education.
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No, sir, I'm not saying the admissions criteria are equal.
The University of Nebraska used to be required, by law (not existent anymore), to accept all applicants graduates of high schools in Nebraska, no matter their high school academic records. One just had to be a graduate of a high school in Nebraska.
Pretty lax admissions standards, there (but with which I happen to agree).
What I am saying is that the University of Kansas and Duke University have to meet certain standards for accreditation (accreditation for different things), and they both apparently meet those standards.
There's a difference between "quality" and "prestige" (or "reputation").
I'm sure the University of Kansas has produced just as many high-quality professionals as has Duke University.
Depends on the field, coach. I studied engineering, and out of high school attended one of the most highly regarded schools for engineering in not just the United States, but the world--Georgia Tech. On par with MIT, Purdue, Cornell, Cal Tech, and Stanford. Certainly more selective in their admissions than other state schools (although GT is a public school).
And yet with all the emphasis on engineering and pure sciences, GT does not have the highest SAT scores among incoming freshmen--in the ACC, that distinction belongs to Duke, hands down. GT admits nearly 60 percent of applicants; Duke, barely 20 percent. And Duke, being a private university, has a smaller student-to-faculty ratio, more renowned staff, and greater research funding than a public university of similar size.
Put it this way, coach--trying to compare the academic accreditation might meet some very basic common denominator, and I don't doubt KU has put out some successful people, but if you were a hiring manager in business, engineering, or medicine, would you hire the person with the KU degree, or the Duke degree?
I compare it to the person who says there's no difference between a Chevette and a Corvette because hey, they're both Chevys!
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Put it this way, coach--trying to compare the academic accreditation might meet some very basic common denominator, and I don't doubt KU has put out some successful people, but if you were a hiring manager in business, engineering, or medicine, would you hire the person with the KU degree, or the Duke degree?
I compare it to the person who says there's no difference between a Chevette and a Corvette because hey, they're both Chevys!
I must, respectfully, sir, continue to disagree.
If I were a hiring manager in business, engineering, or medicine, the question about academic qualifications would be limited to, does the applicant have the proper degree from an accredited institution?
After which I would go into the other stuff; experience, awards, further training, personal character--none of which has anything to do with the accredited institution from which one has graduated.
I'm sure that prestige colleges, such as say, Duke, have turned out their share of duds, while non-prestige colleges, such as say, Iowa State, have turned out some real winners.
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(1000+ posts) Fri Mar-19-10 10:17 PM
FRAU ANNE, THE DIE ALTE SAU
THE DYSMENOPAUSAL KANSAS SCHOOL TEACHER
#19 TOP PRIMITIVE OF 2009
Response to Reply #5
12. KU is an excellent school with a great reputation
They gave me a diploma
How is that for a DUmbass? She makes a statement, and then in the next sentence refutes it.
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Thanks a lot, DUmbass. You jinxed Kansas and sent my bracket into the trash. :banghead:
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Go Bucks.
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Thanks alot, DUmbass. You jinxed Kansas and sent my bracket into the trash. :banghead:
My brother's bracket, too. :evillaugh:
I've got Kentucky on two of my sheets, and Syracuse on the other two. After the way that the Orange absolutely crushed Gonzaga today, I think I've got a good shot.
Thing is, my wife took OSU out of their bracket, instead of Kansas (like I did). :thatsright:
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Go Bucks.
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