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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: dutch508 on March 16, 2010, 01:01:39 PM
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Spooked911, the most crazy DUmpmonkie in the DUngeon, questions how a jet going 500 mph slammed into the ground and parts are found under the surface...
spooked911 (1000+ posts) Tue Mar-16-10 08:09 AM
Original message http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x283917
The Official Flight 93 Crash Story-- the OCTists Dilemma
Edited on Tue Mar-16-10 08:12 AM by spooked911
The FBI claims that they recovered almost all of Flight 93.
SHANKSVILLE, Pennsylvania (CNN) -- The FBI announced Monday that its investigation of the site where a hijacked jet slammed into a field here is complete and that 95 percent of the plane was recovered.
Photos of the scene taken before the clean-up started show relatively little debris lying around.
But it wasn't until a year after 9/11 that the media started reporting that most of UA93 penetrated underground. This explanation would logically explain why not much 757 debris was observed above ground.
However, OCTists have put themselves in quite a dilemma.
First off, OCTists seem split in regards to how much of UA93 was buried underground. Some believe most was buried, while others don't. This is an obvious problem for OCTists because they can't have it both ways.
For the OCTists who don't believe most of the 757 was buried, they've never been able to show where most of the claimed 95% of wreckage was above ground before cleanup.
For the OCTists who do believe that most of the plane had buried as the media and others report, they've never been able to prove that most of a large 757 was dug out of the ground.
They've also never been able to rationally explain why it took almost a year before the media started reporting that most of UA93 had buried, an unprecedented feat for a large airplane that should have made front page news soon after investigators realized that most of UA93 had supposedly buried, especially when it would have been logically assumed that if most of the plane had buried, then most of the passenger remains would most likely be buried along with it too, especially since no bodies or blood was observed above ground.
So OCTists, you can see your dilemma.
First, you need to come to some consensus as to how much of UA93 was allegedly buried.
If your consensus is most of the plane had buried -- an extraordinary feat for a 757 to do -- then you have to show extraordinary evidence to prove most of the 757 had buried -- so far you haven't.
If your consensus is most of the plane did not bury, then you have to show where all that above ground wreckage was that comes close to adding up to an astounding claimed 95% recovered of a 757.
You also have to rationally explain why your consensus is radically different than the media reporting most had buried.
(modified slightly from here:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread551893/pg1 )
OCTist= official conspiracy theorist
Spooked911 is hung up on details like the pecentage of wreckage abouve vs below ground. Since people are not sure, Spooked911 claims this proves Bush did 9/11/01...
jberryhill (1000+ posts) Tue Mar-16-10 11:41 AM
Response to Reply #2
3. Here's why....
The Shanksville site happens to be an old strip mine.
In other words, all of the ground there has been dug up and replaced - imagine "tilling soil" down to a considerable depth. It's not compacted virgin soil.
Now, take a quarter out of your pocket and head to a beach or sandbox. Throw the quarter forcefully down at the sand. Watch what happens.
Now, that was intresting. I had not heard that information before, that the crash site was an old strip mine.
(http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/1995/flight93crashsite.jpg)
The crash site of Flight 93.
quote from link in spooked911 OP:
reply posted on 14-3-2010 @ 11:43 PM by Zanti Misfit
I would think most US Goverment " Drone Missles " like the one that landed in Shanksville , upon detonation , wouldn't leave much Wreckage ......... The Case is still open on weither or not a 757 crashed there IMO .
But most important is the fact that this: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread548712/pg1 : is found on that site...of course we all knew this...
republicbroadcasting.org...
Israel did 9/11, ALL THE PROOF YOU NEED
“[The Israeli Mossad is] ruthless and cunning, with the capability to target U.S. forces and make it look like a Palestinian-Arab act.†-Report issued by the U.S. Army School of Advanced Military Studies (SAMS); September 2001
Interesting website, i see the logic, I'm just not sure of what we can do about it
under our form of government. which itself is in question at the moment, so until we get 0ur 0wn h0use in 0rder - the war we should be fighting will go un faught... and lets not forget about 911, lets not forget U.S.S. Liberty and we got to keep a close eye on Brittania as well, after all they are the reason we have such hard choices to make... we have been Double Crossed just like their flag says.
Yup. TEH JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! did 9/11.
reply posted on 4-3-2010 @ 11:08 AM by RizeorDie
Zionism is more evil that people can comprehend.
guess who put the US forces in Iraq and Afghanistan?
Israel
they need the US to accomplish a one world government for their messiah, the Antichrist who they hope will rule the world from Jerusalem... now Iran stand in their way...
Thank GAWD Iran is protecting us from...eh? What?
reply posted on 4-3-2010 @ 11:45 AM by Sigismundus
I've often wondered however who those FIVE DANCING YISRAELI's REALLY were on the early morning of Sept 11th 2001 atop a building across the river from the NYC Twin Towers in Weehawken NJ (the Twin Towers were nicknamed 'Nelson & David' Rockefeller).
They were 'high-fiving' each other (according to several credible eye-witnesses after the 1st tower fell, and they were recording ALL the action from before the planes were even in sight, on high resolution colour video equipment--so these persons KNEW what was coming down the pike that morning...how many OTHER persons in the area knew? Makes one want to get a list of all those employees of the Twin Towers who had headaches that day and failed to show up for work - i.e. not on 'vacation'--and trace their nationalities...there's a homework project for some eager-beaver !).
Sivan Kurzberg (the driver of the Van the dancing Israeli's used) & Paul Kurzberg are the names of the 2 brothers among the 5 Yisraeli dancing high-fivers that day--naturally their families back in Yisro'el have requested that their names not be published, but they were apparently anyway, and it is known that these two were brothers.
Of course the FBI seized the camera and the Five Yisraeli's (who were dressed as 'Palestinian Arabs' of course) and held these five Mossad agents for nearly 3 weeks before they were secretly escorted back to Eretz Yisro'el under armed guards.
And of course their files are marked ABOVE TOP SECRET and their depositions are sealed. Permanently.
Makes you wonder if the Yisraeli government KNEW it was going to happen and WITHHELD vital info from the US (or as Nuttin'Honey said that day, 'To-day we are ALL Yisraeli's..and this should generate a lot of sympathy for Israel, so...it's good...well not good, but you know what I mean...') meaning, 'we wanted you Americans to know what it feels like, take THAT, America. Just make sure the checks aren't late this month !!
"The 5 Israelis worked for a Weehawken moving Company known as Urban Moving Systems, a known Mossad cover operation in NYC, run by Mossad operative Dominick Suter (cover name) who fled the US to Eretz Yisro'el sometime later that week of 9-11-2001...
According to ABC's 20/20 attempted whitewash of the incident, in addition to their outrageous and highly suspicious behavior, the five also has in their possession the following items: box-cutters, European passports, and $4700 in cash hidden in a dirty black sock.
Why were these Israeli agents so happy about the horrible massacre unfolding before their very eyes? … Could it be that these happy Israeli army veterans were in some way linked to this monstrous attack? That's what officials close to the investigation told the Bergen Record newspaper of New Jersey.
An American employee of Urban Moving Systems told the Bergen Record that a majority of his co- workers were Israelis and they were all joking about the attacks. The employee, who declined to give his name, said "I was in tears. These guys were joking and that bothered me."
Not sure if these links (below) tell us anything (i.e. amidst all the clearly biased, anti-Yahwist sentiments), but maybe worth reading just for kicks and giggles anyway...it's all about 'reputable source material' and there will be many on this thread who will say most of this is made up...but at least SOME of it has the ring of truth..and if SOME of it is true...then maybe there is more to this whole thing than meets the eye....
www.youtube.com...
whatreallyhappened.com...
www.archive.org...
www.liveleak.com...
www.ilaam.net...
factsnotfairies.blogspot.com...
Yup. DU-ers, Anti-Semites, and Islamic Extreamists...all the same...all the time.
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Now, take a quarter out of your pocket and head to a beach or sandbox. Throw the quarter forcefully down at the sand. Watch what happens.
Better yet, wrap a cinderblock in chicken wire and slam it down on the sand.
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Better yet, wrap a cinderblock in chicken wire and slam it down on the sand.
Is this before or after you douse it in kerosene and burn it?
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spooked911 (1000+ posts) Tue Mar-16-10 10:21 PM
Response to Reply #7
13. which facts are those?
Sounds to me like you are over-generalizing.
OCTists certainly ignore plenty of facts.
:rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:
Self Pwnage is a great thing.
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OCTist? The 'CT' part I think I can figure out, not sure what the 'O' is for.
Anyway, when a speeding passenger plane makes a more or less perpendicular meet with the ground and 'Buries itself' in deep soil, what is actually buried are the engines plus a highly compressed and very hot cylinder of aluminum and cooked organics that is about 1/10th of the original fuselage length. There aren't any distinct remains to recover and there is just a crushed-beer-can version of the original aircraft. Whatever is left of the outboard part of the wings and some of the empennage is generally all that's lying around on the surface, if the aircraft held together all the way down.
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OCTist? The 'CT' part I think I can figure out, not sure what the 'O' is for.
Wonderin' that myself. I think it stands for "Official" in the context that we are naive enough believe everything the government tells us.
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Wonderin' that myself. I think it stands for "Official" in the context that we are naive enough believe everything the government tells us.
You are correct...it is troofer jargon to try to put their lunatic ramblings on an even footing with what actually happened.
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Yup. TEH JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! did 9/11.
Was there ever a doubt?? :thatsright: /sarc
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:rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:
Self Pwnage is a great thing.
That's also the reason they don't own guns.
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OCTist? The 'CT' part I think I can figure out, not sure what the 'O' is for.
Anyway, when a speeding passenger plane makes a more or less perpendicular meet with the ground and 'Buries itself' in deep soil, what is actually buried are the engines plus a highly compressed and very hot cylinder of aluminum and cooked organics that is about 1/10th of the original fuselage length. There aren't any distinct remains to recover and there is just a crushed-beer-can version of the original aircraft. Whatever is left of the outboard part of the wings and some of the empennage is generally all that's lying around on the surface, if the aircraft held together all the way down.
you shush now. You know how logic upsets the DUmpmonkiez.
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Upset them, Hell, they seem completely immune to it.
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Upset them, Hell, they seem completely immune to it.
they pretend that it doesn't, but in their little hearts they are crying...
:hi5:
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Yup. DU-ers, Anti-Semites, and Islamic Extreamists...all the same...all the time.
But I thought only Democrats properly represented Jews in America.
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So planes did not hit the WTC, a plane did not hit the Pentagon and a plane did not crash in the field of Shanksville?
So we have to discount all those phone calls, those voices heard from the cockpit, all those independently made live video tapes in NYC etc etc. and the people that were on these non-existant planes? Did the government just take them to a camp and shoot them? 4 planeloads of people? Including the wife of the Solicitor General of the United States?
These people are all idiots.
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So planes did not hit the WTC, a plane did not hit the Pentagon and a plane did not crash in the field of Shanksville?
So we have to discount all those phone calls, those voices heard from the cockpit, all those independently made live video tapes in NYC etc etc. and the people that were on these non-existant planes? Did the government just take them to a camp and shoot them? 4 planeloads of people? Including the wife of the Solicitor General of the United States?
These people are all idiots.
There was an episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation called "Relics". In this episode the crew of the Enterprise found Montgomery Scott in the transporter pattern buffer on another ship. 75 years before the other ship had gotten caught in a Dyson sphere's gravity field. Scott had rigged the transporters to keep him alive in the transporter pattern buffer until help arrived.
I've heard rumors that this episode is based on experiments that were conducted by Rove on the VRWC transporters back in the late 80s.
I have no idea of how many people can be held within a transporter pattern buffer. Maybe Spooky needs to look into that.
Or we could just follow Occam's Razor which I would think would make your last statement "These people are all idiots" completely correct.
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I'm sticking with "idiots". I liked that episode of TNG by the way.
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I'm sticking with "idiots". I liked that episode of TNG by the way.
When it comes to the DUmp you usually can never go wrong by sticking with "idiots".
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DUmbasses who need to post for advice from other DUmbasses on how to cook an eggplant really should leave complex crash and demolition analysis to experts who know about such things... Just sayin'.