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Title: YOUR RESPONSE IS REQUIRED BY LAW
Post by: jinxmchue on March 15, 2010, 05:14:27 PM
That's according to the outside of the 2010 Obama White House Census envelope I received today. They cite Title 13 of the U.S. Code, however Article 1, Section 2 of the supreme law of the land, otherwise known as the U.S. Constitution, the only information I am required to provide is the number of people living in my household. They have no right to invade my family's privacy.

It's also interesting to note that in the section about who NOT to count in your household, they make no mention of people without legal citizenship.
Title: Re: YOUR RESPONSE IS REQUIRED BY LAW
Post by: The Village Idiot on March 15, 2010, 05:16:30 PM
They have made it clear they want to count illegals as if they were citizens
Title: Re: YOUR RESPONSE IS REQUIRED BY LAW
Post by: DumbAss Tanker on March 15, 2010, 05:28:21 PM
Really seems like much ado about nothing.  They've obviously already got your name and address, given that much to start with for 95% of Americans, they can get about a hundred times more info than they're actually asking for from open sources on the innerwebz with a minimal amount of effort, if they were really trying to pry into your life.
Title: Re: YOUR RESPONSE IS REQUIRED BY LAW
Post by: Chris_ on March 15, 2010, 08:47:33 PM
Really seems like much ado about nothing.  They've obviously already got your name and address, given that much to start with for 95% of Americans, they can get about a hundred times more info than they're actually asking for from open sources on the innerwebz with a minimal amount of effort, if they were really trying to pry into your life.

True, however, that doesn't mean that we have to make it easy for them......nor should we provide more than Constitutionally required......

Largely they turn the data around and sell it to third parties for advertising and marketing purposes......if they want more, they can dig for it....

doc
Title: Re: YOUR RESPONSE IS REQUIRED BY LAW
Post by: IassaFTots on March 15, 2010, 08:50:43 PM
The one thing that really got me was the Race section.  Last time I checked, my race was Caucasian.  Not White.  White is a color, not a race.
Title: Re: YOUR RESPONSE IS REQUIRED BY LAW
Post by: Chris_ on March 15, 2010, 08:55:17 PM
The one thing that really got me was the Race section.  Last time I checked, my race was Caucasian.  Not White.  White is a color, not a race.

I checked "Other", and wrote in "American"......

doc
Title: Re: YOUR RESPONSE IS REQUIRED BY LAW
Post by: The Village Idiot on March 15, 2010, 09:03:49 PM
The one thing that really got me was the Race section.  Last time I checked, my race was Caucasian.  Not White.  White is a color, not a race.

That is weird
Title: Re: YOUR RESPONSE IS REQUIRED BY LAW
Post by: rich_t on March 15, 2010, 09:10:52 PM
I checked "Other", and wrote in "American"......

doc

I like that idea.
Title: Re: YOUR RESPONSE IS REQUIRED BY LAW
Post by: catsmtrods on March 16, 2010, 02:16:37 AM
I checked other and wrote in human. Hey they asked what race, not color or ethnicity? I also did not give them my phone number. I guess they will come knocking?
Title: Re: YOUR RESPONSE IS REQUIRED BY LAW
Post by: JohnnyReb on March 16, 2010, 03:29:14 AM
Well, if they want my skin color, I don't know how to describe it...off white, brown egg shell white, dirty pink, blotchie tan ......???????????
Title: Re: YOUR RESPONSE IS REQUIRED BY LAW
Post by: SSG Snuggle Bunny on March 16, 2010, 05:07:30 AM
The one thing that really got me was the Race section.  Last time I checked, my race was Caucasian.  Not White.  White is a color, not a race.
How many people come from the Caucasus mountains anyway?
Title: Re: YOUR RESPONSE IS REQUIRED BY LAW
Post by: debk on March 16, 2010, 07:36:14 AM
How many people come from the Caucasus mountains anyway?


People understand color.....

Wonder how many these days don't even know that they are Caucasian?

In the CE class I took a week or so ago....one of the things we discussed is that under the Fair Housing Act....race and color are two separate entities. For instance....African does not mean black. Or, how black is black? Obama is a perfect example. 
Title: Re: YOUR RESPONSE IS REQUIRED BY LAW
Post by: IassaFTots on March 16, 2010, 08:10:02 AM

People understand color.....

Wonder how many these days don't even know that they are Caucasian?

In the CE class I took a week or so ago....one of the things we discussed is that under the Fair Housing Act....race and color are two separate entities. For instance....African does not mean black. Or, how black is black? Obama is a perfect example. 

That is my whole gripe.  Which is it?  Race, or Color?  How come our option is white, but the reds, yellows, browns, and blacks don't get a color too???

I am just being difficult.   :whatever:
Title: Re: YOUR RESPONSE IS REQUIRED BY LAW
Post by: debk on March 16, 2010, 08:39:18 AM
That is my whole gripe.  Which is it?  Race, or Color?  How come our option is white, but the reds, yellows, browns, and blacks don't get a color too???

I am just being difficult.   :whatever:

No you aren't.

Your point was part of our discussion also.

Speaking from the standpoint of the Fair Housing Act it has been amended many times over the years.

Basically, people cannot be discriminated with regard to race, color, religion, sex, handicap, familial status or national origin.

It has been amended to "race, color and national origin" because over the years....each term has altered it's meaning.

First it was just race....because it was a white or black issue after slavery ended.

Then color was added....because it wasn't such a white/black issue. Asians and Native American Indians were being discriminated against.

Then national origin was added....in order to make sure if one didn't get it (understand that people cannot be discriminated against) as far as race or color was considered...then maybe national origin would clarify.

Just for clarification....sex does not refer to hetero/homosexuality...it refers to male/female.

At this point in time....sexual preference has not yet been explicitly specified, though that is probably going to happen. It is sort of covered under familial status - what constitutes a family unit....but not gender specific.



Title: Re: YOUR RESPONSE IS REQUIRED BY LAW
Post by: IassaFTots on March 16, 2010, 08:42:18 AM
No you aren't.

Your point was part of our discussion also.

Speaking from the standpoint of the Fair Housing Act it has been amended many times over the years.

Basically, people cannot be discriminated with regard to race, color, religion, sex, handicap, familial status or national origin.

It has been amended to "race, color and national origin" because over the years....each term has altered it's meaning.

First it was just race....because it was a white or black issue after slavery ended.

Then color was added....because it wasn't such a white/black issue. Asians and Native American Indians were being discriminated against.

Then national origin was added....in order to make sure if one didn't get it (understand that people cannot be discriminated against) as far as race or color was considered...then maybe national origin would clarify.

Just for clarification....sex does not refer to hetero/homosexuality...it refers to male/female.

At this point in time....sexual preference has not yet been explicitly specified, though that is probably going to happen. It is sort of covered under familial status - what constitutes a family unit....but not gender specific.





I wasn't necessarily meaning I was being difficult here, per se.  I have been "difficult" about this for a whole long time.  Ask my Mama.   :-) 

The whole thing is just so darned stupid. 
Title: Re: YOUR RESPONSE IS REQUIRED BY LAW
Post by: JohnnyReb on March 16, 2010, 08:51:42 AM
GO TO HELL....Hey, it's a response.
Title: Re: YOUR RESPONSE IS REQUIRED BY LAW
Post by: debk on March 16, 2010, 08:53:23 AM
I wasn't necessarily meaning I was being difficult here, per se.  I have been "difficult" about this for a whole long time.  Ask my Mama.   :-) 

The whole thing is just so darned stupid. 


I agree.
Title: Re: YOUR RESPONSE IS REQUIRED BY LAW
Post by: THA HOUSTON PIMP IS IN DA HOUZ! on March 16, 2010, 10:00:05 AM
Here's my response:

 :bigbird: :redbird:
Title: Re: YOUR RESPONSE IS REQUIRED BY LAW
Post by: Alpha Mare on March 16, 2010, 11:00:56 AM
If you check your state's criminal registry, Hispanics are listed under "Race-White". Ethnicity is either Hispanic or Non-Hispanic. 
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Risk Level HIGH   
Ending Registration Date 3/2/2026
Verification Requirement ANNUALLY   
Sex MALE   
Race WHITE   
Ethnicity HISPANIC   
Height 5'5"   
Weight 199 lbs   
Hair Color BROWN   
Eye Color BROWN   
Shoe Size 8.5   
Shoe Width D   

 
Risk Level MODERATE   
Ending Registration Date NON-EXPIRE   
Verification Requirement ANNUALLY   
Sex MALE   
Race BLACK   
Ethnicity NON-HISPANIC   
Height 6'1"   
Weight 231 lbs   
Hair Color BLACK   
Eye Color BROWN   
Shoe Size 11.5   
Shoe Width UNKNOWN   

Risk Level MODERATE   
Ending Registration Date NON-EXPIRE   
Verification Requirement QUARTERLY   
Sex MALE   
Race ASIAN   
Ethnicity HISPANIC   
Height 5'7"   
Weight 215 lbs   
Hair Color BLACK   
Eye Color BROWN   
Shoe Size UNKNOWN   
Shoe Width UNKNOWN   
Title: Re: YOUR RESPONSE IS REQUIRED BY LAW
Post by: jinxmchue on March 16, 2010, 09:58:03 PM
Really seems like much ado about nothing.  They've obviously already got your name and address

They don't have my name.  The envelope came addressed to "The resident at."
Title: Re: YOUR RESPONSE IS REQUIRED BY LAW
Post by: Alpha Mare on March 16, 2010, 10:43:09 PM
We don't have mail service out here, so I reckon we'll get a personal visit. The dogs need the exercise, anyhow.
Title: Re: YOUR RESPONSE IS REQUIRED BY LAW
Post by: Eupher on March 17, 2010, 08:49:39 AM
They don't have my name.  The envelope came addressed to "The resident at."

Yup. Mine too.

I filled the damned thing out yesterday and mailed it in. I coulda been a prick, but rather than see one of those bullshit census takers at my door gesturing at my  :bs:  :bird: indications on the stupid thing, I opted to just answer the questions.

Yeah, I caved in.  :rotf:
Title: Re: YOUR RESPONSE IS REQUIRED BY LAW
Post by: ScubaGuy on March 18, 2010, 05:41:45 AM
I filled mine out yesterday.
Turns out the Business family lives at this address.  There's Nunya, Nunya Jr. and the lady of the house Aintyur.



Title: Re: YOUR RESPONSE IS REQUIRED BY LAW
Post by: Eupher on March 18, 2010, 07:43:59 AM
I filled mine out yesterday.
Turns out the Business family lives at this address.  There's Nunya, Nunya Jr. and the lady of the house Aintyur.


 :rotf:  +1

Expect a knock on the door from some ruffian who can barely speak English, demanding to know who "Aintyur" is.  :lmao:
Title: Re: YOUR RESPONSE IS REQUIRED BY LAW
Post by: jinxmchue on March 20, 2010, 01:20:50 PM
I've inspired at least one other person to supply only the number of people in their household.   :hi5:
Title: Re: YOUR RESPONSE IS REQUIRED BY LAW
Post by: ColonialMarine0431 on March 20, 2010, 01:33:59 PM
I was tempted to check off OTHER in the race section and write in KLINGON.
Title: Re: YOUR RESPONSE IS REQUIRED BY LAW
Post by: Duke Nukum on March 20, 2010, 02:35:46 PM
I'm deeming that I answered it.
Title: Re: YOUR RESPONSE IS REQUIRED BY LAW
Post by: Thor on March 20, 2010, 03:51:59 PM
I was tempted to check off OTHER in the race section and write in KLINGON.

Qah Plah!
Title: Re: YOUR RESPONSE IS REQUIRED BY LAW
Post by: ColonialMarine0431 on March 20, 2010, 04:45:07 PM
Qah Plah!


Maj !

(http://www.danhausertrek.com/AnimatedSeries/Klingon02.jpghttp://www.danhausertrek.com/AnimatedSeries/Klingon02.jpg)
Title: Re: YOUR RESPONSE IS REQUIRED BY LAW
Post by: littlelamb on March 20, 2010, 09:32:06 PM
Did it but not very happily
Title: Re: YOUR RESPONSE IS REQUIRED BY LAW
Post by: jinxmchue on March 20, 2010, 11:52:30 PM
Qah Plah!

Gesundheit!
Title: Re: YOUR RESPONSE IS REQUIRED BY LAW
Post by: Mike220 on March 25, 2010, 05:06:41 PM
Dug through the stack of mail on the kitchen counter and found the census form. I'm torn. I'm half tempted to just fill out the number of people living here (2) or actually fill the whole thing out. I'm sure my roommate will fill out all her info though.
Title: Re: YOUR RESPONSE IS REQUIRED BY LAW
Post by: thundley4 on March 25, 2010, 05:08:51 PM
We got the census form about two weeks ago. I guess I should fill it out.  They sent a reminder postcard stressing that it is required to be filled out.
Title: Re: YOUR RESPONSE IS REQUIRED BY LAW
Post by: rich_t on March 25, 2010, 05:17:25 PM
I haven't recieved my form yet.
Title: Re: YOUR RESPONSE IS REQUIRED BY LAW
Post by: DefiantSix on March 25, 2010, 05:27:50 PM
I haven't recieved my form yet.

My wife intercepted ours, and fillled it out before I could have any fun with it.  :banghead:
Title: Re: YOUR RESPONSE IS REQUIRED BY LAW
Post by: rich_t on March 25, 2010, 05:32:12 PM
My wife intercepted ours, and fillled it out before I could have any fun with it.  :banghead:


Damn...  That sucks.

 :cheersmate:
Title: Re: YOUR RESPONSE IS REQUIRED BY LAW
Post by: Hawkgirl on March 25, 2010, 06:25:38 PM
The one thing that really got me was the Race section.  Last time I checked, my race was Caucasian.  Not White.  White is a color, not a race.

they have to dumb it down for the democrats
Title: Re: YOUR RESPONSE IS REQUIRED BY LAW
Post by: Alpha Mare on March 25, 2010, 06:44:30 PM
I found mine hanging on the gate. Guess they didn't want to play with the pup.  (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_S2NbJIwrsZc/R0_0SulIOdI/AAAAAAAAC1I/CbGWc9AJ1jA/s1600-R/Dog-GermanShepherd-01.jpg)
Title: Re: YOUR RESPONSE IS REQUIRED BY LAW
Post by: DefiantSix on March 25, 2010, 07:46:44 PM
I found mine hanging on the gate. Guess they didn't want to play with the pup.  (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_S2NbJIwrsZc/R0_0SulIOdI/AAAAAAAAC1I/CbGWc9AJ1jA/s1600-R/Dog-GermanShepherd-01.jpg)

I can't imagine why... :confused:   Look; he's smiling for the camera guy.  :naughty:
Title: Re: YOUR RESPONSE IS REQUIRED BY LAW
Post by: Hawkgirl on March 25, 2010, 07:48:03 PM
I found mine hanging on the gate. Guess they didn't want to play with the pup.  (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_S2NbJIwrsZc/R0_0SulIOdI/AAAAAAAAC1I/CbGWc9AJ1jA/s1600-R/Dog-GermanShepherd-01.jpg)

what a cute puppy
Title: Re: YOUR RESPONSE IS REQUIRED BY LAW
Post by: Chris_ on March 25, 2010, 09:33:05 PM
I took ours, filled out the number of people, and put it right back in the mail box.  A week later, we received a letter that said it was very important for us to answer all the questions.  Whatever.

I wanted to put my phone number as 867-5309, but my husband said not to do it.  I should have done it anyway.
Title: Re: YOUR RESPONSE IS REQUIRED BY LAW
Post by: IassaFTots on March 25, 2010, 09:40:09 PM
I took ours, filled out the number of people, and put it right back in the mail box.  A week later, we received a letter that said it was very important for us to answer all the questions.  Whatever.

I wanted to put my phone number as 867-5309, but my husband said not to do it.  I should have done it anyway.

 :cheersmate:

I like you. 

I have mine all filled out, and it is on my table waiting to be mailed.  I have received a letter stating I better hurry up and fill that out, the dang day after I got it.

Really, I own my own house, they already have my SSN, and phone number, linked to this address.  I debated claiming my dog as a second resident, as: "Australian, Canine." but thought better of it.   I will more than likely earn my way to the S-list of the gubmint at some point, might not want to do it just yet.   :-)

Title: Re: YOUR RESPONSE IS REQUIRED BY LAW
Post by: DefiantSix on March 25, 2010, 09:42:08 PM
I took ours, filled out the number of people, and put it right back in the mail box.  A week later, we received a letter that said it was very important for us to answer all the questions.  Whatever.

I wanted to put my phone number as 867-5309, but my husband said not to do it.  I should have done it anyway.

On my tax forms, where it asks for my phone number, I always put (970) 911-1212 (or some other variation off of the 911-prefix).  I also list my occupation as "Third World Despot".  (Who knew that the US was going to be a third-world country in my lifetime and I'd actually get my chance...)
Title: Re: YOUR RESPONSE IS REQUIRED BY LAW
Post by: IassaFTots on March 25, 2010, 09:46:25 PM
On my tax forms, where it asks for my phone number, I always put (970) 911-1212 (or some other variation off of the 911-prefix).  I also list my occupation as "Third World Despot".  (Who knew that the US was going to be a third-world country in my lifetime and I'd actually get my chance...)

Maybe you can get business cards printed?
Title: Re: YOUR RESPONSE IS REQUIRED BY LAW
Post by: The Village Idiot on March 26, 2010, 02:14:39 PM
I don't even think the one sent here was even opened. I have no idea but I think it was just trashed.
Title: Re: YOUR RESPONSE IS REQUIRED BY LAW
Post by: thundley4 on March 26, 2010, 02:22:43 PM
I don't even think the one sent here was even opened. I have no idea but I think it was just trashed.

Be ready for one of those armed census takers to show up at your door. :fuelfire:
Title: Re: YOUR RESPONSE IS REQUIRED BY LAW
Post by: The Village Idiot on March 26, 2010, 02:49:22 PM
I hope the vicious pomeranian is held back when the person comes... but the pit bull will just want to play.
Title: Re: YOUR RESPONSE IS REQUIRED BY LAW
Post by: Hawkgirl on March 26, 2010, 05:18:09 PM
I still haven't filled mine out yet...I think I put it in the junk mail pile...maybe I'll go through it this weekend.
Title: Re: YOUR RESPONSE IS REQUIRED BY LAW
Post by: Chris on March 26, 2010, 05:31:42 PM
I'm sure mine is still sitting in the mailbox.
Title: Re: YOUR RESPONSE IS REQUIRED BY LAW
Post by: debk on March 26, 2010, 06:31:40 PM
I still haven't filled mine out yet...I think I put it in the junk mail pile...maybe I'll go through it this weekend.


Ours has been on the kitchen counter for about 2 weeks....M puts it in my mail pile...I move it back to his....it comes back to mine.... :-)

Not sure who is going to fill it out....but I'm pretty sure who won't be....so I probably will....  :whatever:
Title: Re: YOUR RESPONSE IS REQUIRED BY LAW
Post by: rich_t on March 27, 2010, 07:20:25 AM
I still haven't received mine yet.

Title: Re: YOUR RESPONSE IS REQUIRED BY LAW
Post by: THA HOUSTON PIMP IS IN DA HOUZ! on March 30, 2010, 01:34:39 PM
yeah, mine has about 3 or 4 various stains on it from coffee, food, beer, etc.   I've been using it as a coaster.

 :lmao: :whatever:
Title: Re: YOUR RESPONSE IS REQUIRED BY LAW
Post by: njpines on March 31, 2010, 09:37:56 AM
Husband got annoyed at the questions so he tore it up and threw it out . . . oh well, he's the one who's home during the day so he'll have to deal with it!  We have not gotten a reminder notice nor a phone call yet.  If a response is required by law (which I don't actually think it is), can I give this response?:   :tongue:
Title: Re: YOUR RESPONSE IS REQUIRED BY LAW
Post by: Woodhick on March 31, 2010, 10:02:30 AM
I live so far back in the sticks my ISP is 2 snuff boxes with waxed string and I have lived her for 4 decades and I have never recieved any census form in my life.
For those interested there is a lot for sale next to mine. :rotf:
Title: Re: YOUR RESPONSE IS REQUIRED BY LAW
Post by: IassaFTots on March 31, 2010, 08:04:47 PM
Ok.  I got my letter that said I would be getting my census.  Then I got my census a week later.  I filled it out, but quite frankly I didn't mail it.  A week later I got a notice that MY RESPONSE IS REQUIRED BY LAW.  But, I forgot to mail it.  Then, today I received another letter, with another census that stated MY RESPONSE IS REQURED BY LAW.  WTF?  Now I am feeling unruly and stuff.  I don't like bullies.
Title: Re: YOUR RESPONSE IS REQUIRED BY LAW
Post by: Chris_ on March 31, 2010, 08:30:03 PM
Look what came in the mail...

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f216/versawife/CIMG1137.jpg)