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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: franksolich on March 09, 2010, 05:31:39 PM
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4297250
Oh my.
Thanks to our esteemed colleague thundley4, who found this for me.
Purveyor (1000+ posts) Sun Mar-07-10 05:29 PM
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Kansas City Wants To Close Half Its Public Schools
Kansas City was held up as a national example of bold thinking when it tried to integrate its schools by making them better than the suburban districts where many kids were moving. The result was one school with an Olympic-sized swimming pool and another with recording studios.
Now it's on the brink of bankruptcy and considering another bold move: closing nearly half its schools to stay afloat.
Schools officials say the cuts are necessary to keep the district from plowing through what little is left of the $2 billion it received as part of a groundbreaking desegregation case.
Buffeted for years by declining enrollment, political squabbling and a revolving door of leadership, the district's fortunes are so bleak that Superintendent John Covington has said diplomas given to many graduates "aren't worth the paper they're printed on."
Kansas City is among the most striking examples of the challenges of saving urban school districts. The city used gobs of cash to improve facilities, but boosting lagging test scores and stemming the exodus of students were more elusive. Like other big-city districts, it finds itself struggling to become more than just the last resort for large pockets of poverty in the urban core.
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2010/0...
The campfire at first burns with many primitives being confused about whether Kansas City is in Kansas, or in Missouri. The primitive squibble-squabbling about the matter is pretty funny, but not worth loading into the boat and bringing back here.
proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Sun Mar-07-10 07:19 PM
THE DIE ALTE SAU, #19 TOP PRIMITIVE OF 2009
THE DYSMENOPAUSAL KANSAS SCHOOL TEACHER
Response to Reply #6
17. I live here. It's racism.
This is a very segregated city. Racism is still rampant. It's very sad.
Uh, for the record, the Die alte Sau, who teaches in Kansas City, Missouri, lives in a suburb of Kansas City, Kansas, noted for its lily-whiteness.
By the way, the Die alte Sau doesn't like charter schools either.
A couple of primitives point out that Kansas City, Missouri, spends a great deal more per student, than do other school districts with better schools.
proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Mon Mar-08-10 12:56 PM
THE DIE ALTE SAU, #19 TOP PRIMITIVE OF 2009
THE DYSMENOPAUSAL KANSAS SCHOOL TEACHER
Response to Reply #62
74. No the schools in KC don't generally suck in spite of the right wing efforts to promote that meme. I'm sure they would appreciate knowing you are helping them.
As for the high per pupil expense, there are several important factors conveniently left out of the article.
1. Kids from low socio economic groups are more expensive to educate. That's always been true. These kids tend to come to school less prepared than kids from higher income families. Most have not been to preschool, an increasingly higher percent come in not speaking English and the percent of students with cognitive disabilities is higher.
2. Many come from families that don't value education. Many parents did not finish high school.
3. Geographically KC is larger than many urban districts. This increases transportation costs, which is usually the second highest budget item for any school district. Payroll is #1.
4. The voters in KC have not approved a tax increase to fund their schools since 1969. This resulted in buildings not being maintained and curriculum not being updated in addition to very low teacher salaries. When the court awarded the money to the school district, much of it was spent playing catch up instead of being spent directly on students. A huge chunk was spent on building new schools.
Several schools in KC have been recognized at the state and national level for excellence. The district was honored for its program serving homeless children and for an innovative professional development program for new teachers. So no the schools really don't apparently still suck.
Imajika (1000+ posts) Mon Mar-08-10 04:13 PM
Response to Reply #74
81. Oh sure, they sound wonderful...
From the article:
"Buffeted for years by declining enrollment, political squabbling and a revolving door of leadership, the district's fortunes are so bleak that Superintendent John Covington has said diplomas given to many graduates 'aren't worth the paper they're printed on.'"
Sure, they sounds great! People bailing out, regular leadership turnover, a Superintendent who says the diplomas aren't worth the paper they're printed on, money wasted on stupid nonsense, massive decline in enrollment, etc.
Sorry, proud2BlibKansan, your just making excuses. That is all I hear, excuses.
These schools STILL spend over 15k per child and anyone who can get their kids out of them seems to do exactly that.
"The voters in KC have not approved a tax increase to fund their schools since 1969. This resulted in buildings not being maintained and curriculum not being updated in addition to very low teacher salaries. When the court awarded the money to the school district, much of it was spent playing catch up instead of being spent directly on students. A huge chunk was spent on building new schools."
Can you blame the voters? The district got 2 freaking billion dollars and appeared to have mostly just wasted the money. From the article:
"The district went on a buying spree that included a six-lane indoor track and a mock court complete with a judge's chamber and jury deliberation room. But student achievement remained low, and the anticipated flood of students from the suburbs turned out to be more like a trickle."
Sounds like they wasted huge chunks of that money on some boneheaded idea that kids from suburbs would rush back into the city if they prettied up the schools. People generally know city schools often stink, that is why they moved out to the suburbs in the first place. The entire idea sounds like a colossal effort at flushing money down the drain.
See, the thing is, the same old excuses and calls for more money just aren't going to cut it. People are tired of that now. A district can't be spending 15k per kid and get these sorts of bad results. That is failure. Same thing at that RI school - if the schools are terrible then yes, the teachers are going to have to work harder and get very little extra money for doing it. Period. That is how it is for most of us in the real world. The school has a mission to educate kids, if it fails, some teachers are going to have to be canned, some schools closed, administrative staff reduced, some bad kids simply expelled (you cant save every kid), new policies adopted, more pay increases based on merit and less seniority, reduced or no tenure till things turn around, etc.
I am just so sick of the excuses. No sane person would want their kids in some of these public schools. They've often turned into nothing more than dumping grounds and the kids are really getting screwed.
proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Mon Mar-08-10 04:59 PM
THE DIE ALTE SAU, #19 TOP PRIMITIVE OF 2009
THE DYSMENOPAUSAL KANSAS SCHOOL TEACHER
Response to Reply #81
83. Are you a teacher? Involved in education in any way?
I've spent 30 years in this field. I've heard folks talk like you all my life. The underlying implication is that while we spend $720 MILLION every day on war, our kids aren't worth $15K a year to be educated.
I think they are worth 10 times that amount.
Quality costs money. The good things the KC district was able to accomplish with the deseg money are always ignored because someone decided that achievement should be measured by standardized test scores.
My kid who is now grown was one of the white suburban students who attended the city schools during the deseg era. He had an outstanding education. He went on to middle and high school in a suburban district where he was on the honor roll and was way ahead of his suburban classmates in the arts (he had been in an arts magnet). He is now an accomplished musician and artist.
The district was also able to build 15 beautiful new schools. Yes one of them has a 6 lane indoor track and a few have swimming pools. And I have heard this story about the mock courtroom but honestly don't know where it is. I remember that idea being proposed but turned down by the court so I doubt it was built. But the point is again, why are the kids in KC not deserving of beautiful facilities? A suburban district built a high school during that same time that cost twice as much as the one in KC everyone said was too much. They even nicknamed it the Taj Mahal. So I guess poor kids who live in the urban core aren't deserving of fancy high schools while suburban kids are?
We have spent generations creating an underclass and it will take generations to lift it up. Throwing money at an urban district for a few years and expecting miracles is a recipe for failure.
But I would support it again in a heartbeat because as I said I believe our kids deserve it. But then I don't see our schools as dumping grounds. I see them as buildings full of children with potential if given the right combination of opportunities.
WriteDown (1000+ posts) Mon Mar-08-10 06:21 PM
Response to Reply #90
92. So you refuse to accept the test scores and you refuse to accept the anecdotes....
Sounds like you are just a fanatic and see what you want to see. Unfortunately, that is helping no one.
proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Mon Mar-08-10 09:10 PM
THE DIE ALTE SAU, #19 TOP PRIMITIVE OF 2009
THE DYSMENOPAUSAL KANSAS SCHOOL TEACHER
Response to Reply #92
94. I am there every day doing all one person can do to make things better
Uh, I have a problem with the Die alte Sau's attitude, though.
She makes it sound as if she's making some sort of "sacrifice" to help make things better.
The Die alte Sau primitive however is very well paid, and so it's not like she's doing anything extra, using her own time and resources, to help make things better.
She's just doing a job, for which she gets paid, not being in any way selfless.
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Superintendent John Covington has said diplomas given to many graduates "aren't worth the paper they're printed on."
Hey, it's not like the little future Dem stalwarts can read the damned things anyway.
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Hey, it's not like the little future Dem stalwarts can read the damned things anyway.
Maybe they can jobs working for the Detroit Public Schools. :fuelfire:
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Maybe they can jobs working for the Detroit Public Schools.
The little DUmbass dems being graduated in KC would make outstanding teachers in Wichita.
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Mon Mar-08-10 04:59 PM
THE DIE ALTE SAU, #19 TOP PRIMITIVE OF 2009
THE DYSMENOPAUSAL KANSAS SCHOOL TEACHER
Response to Reply #81
83. Are you a teacher? Involved in education in any way?
I've spent 30 years in this field. I've heard folks talk like you all my life. The underlying implication is that while we spend $720 MILLION every day on war, our kids aren't worth $15K a year to be educated.
I think they are worth 10 times that amount.
Quality costs money. The good things the KC district was able to accomplish with the deseg money are always ignored because someone decided that achievement should be measured by standardized test scores.
My kid who is now grown was one of the white suburban students who attended the city schools during the deseg era. He had an outstanding education. He went on to middle and high school in a suburban district where he was on the honor roll and was way ahead of his suburban classmates in the arts (he had been in an arts magnet). He is now an accomplished musician and artist.
The district was also able to build 15 beautiful new schools. Yes one of them has a 6 lane indoor track and a few have swimming pools. And I have heard this story about the mock courtroom but honestly don't know where it is. I remember that idea being proposed but turned down by the court so I doubt it was built. But the point is again, why are the kids in KC not deserving of beautiful facilities? A suburban district built a high school during that same time that cost twice as much as the one in KC everyone said was too much. They even nicknamed it the Taj Mahal. So I guess poor kids who live in the urban core aren't deserving of fancy high schools while suburban kids are?
We have spent generations creating an underclass and it will take generations to lift it up. Throwing money at an urban district for a few years and expecting miracles is a recipe for failure.
But I would support it again in a heartbeat because as I said I believe our kids deserve it. But then I don't see our schools as dumping grounds. I see them as buildings full of children with potential if given the right combination of opportunities.
If you ever want to know what is wrong with public education,that screed sums it up pretty succinctly.
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Mon Mar-08-10 04:59 PM
THE DIE ALTE SAU, #19 TOP PRIMITIVE OF 2009
THE DYSMENOPAUSAL KANSAS SCHOOL TEACHER
Response to Reply #81
83. Are you a teacher? Involved in education in any way?
I've spent 30 years in this field. I've heard folks talk like you all my life. The underlying implication is that while we spend $720 MILLION every day on war, our kids aren't worth $15K a year to be educated.
I think they are worth 10 times that amount.
Quality costs money. The good things the KC district was able to accomplish with the deseg money are always ignored because someone decided that achievement should be measured by standardized test scores.
"Quality costs money." Usually I would tend to agree with that statement. With teaching, however, I'm not so sure. Waaayyyy back when I was in school test scores, graduation rates, etc. stayed near the top of the state. Today the very same school system ranks from the middle to the bottom compared to other schools in the state. Today they have less students per teacher in the classroom. Today they have better class rooms and more/better supplies. So why the low ranking?
I wondered about this for a while then remembered a report that I did some time around 7th or 8th grade that included statistics on teachers' salaries. Back when I was in school teachers in this school system made next to nothing. Today they are extremely well paid. Back when I was in school the majority of the teachers taught because they wanted to teach students. The majority of teachers today teach because the pay and benefits are good. In other words, money lowered the quality.
Now for the teachers on here, please don't take offense. I know there are still good teachers out there that teach because they want to make a different. I just believe from what I've seen that for every one teacher who is teaching because they want to teach there are several more who are there only for the paycheck.
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Mon Mar-08-10 04:59 PM
"Quality costs money." Usually I would tend to agree with that statement. With teaching, however, I'm not so sure. Waaayyyy back when I was in school test scores, graduation rates, etc. stayed near the top of the state. Today the very same school system ranks from the middle to the bottom compared to other schools in the state. Today they have less students per teacher in the classroom. Today they have better class rooms and more/better supplies. So why the low ranking?
I wondered about this for a while then remembered a report that I did some time around 7th or 8th grade that included statistics on teachers' salaries. Back when I was in school teachers in this school system made next to nothing. Today they are extremely well paid. Back when I was in school the majority of the teachers taught because they wanted to teach students. The majority of teachers today teach because the pay and benefits are good. In other words, money lowered the quality.
Now for the teachers on here, please don't take offense. I know there are still good teachers out there that teach because they want to make a different. I just believe from what I've seen that for every one teacher who is teaching because they want to teach there are several more who are there only for the paycheck.
When I was a senior, I did an article for the school newspaper, and somehow managed to get access to a hard copy of teacher's salaries for our school. I don't remember the specifics, but the highest paid was a teacher that had been there for years and years, well liked by students. He was making less than $30K. Of course that was back in 1979. Most teachers were in the low 20's.
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When I was a senior, I did an article for the school newspaper, and somehow managed to get access to a hard copy of teacher's salaries for our school. I don't remember the specifics, but the highest paid was a teacher that had been there for years and years, well liked by students. He was making less than $30K. Of course that was back in 1979. Most teachers were in the low 20's.
The woman I talked to was making about $17,000 a year. She hadn't been there too terribly long. Four or five years later I was working as a laborer during the day and going to college at night. My pay as a laborer was about $15,000 a year.
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Great exchange here..
proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Mon Mar-08-10 06:01 PM
Response to Reply #88
90. And I know kids who have graduated from KC Schools to go on to Ivy League schools and excel
Anecdotal stories are not evidence.
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WriteDown (1000+ posts) Mon Mar-08-10 06:21 PM
Response to Reply #90
92. So you refuse to accept the test scores and you refuse to accept the anecdotes....
Sounds like you are just a fanatic and see what you want to see. Unfortunately, that is helping no one.
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Mon Mar-08-10 09:10 PM
Response to Reply #92
94. I am there every day doing all one person can do to make things better
You?
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WriteDown (1000+ posts) Tue Mar-09-10 12:14 AM
Response to Reply #94
96. KC is too far a commute..
See post 93 for an extensive answer.
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mbperrin (1000+ posts) Mon Mar-08-10 09:26 PM
Response to Reply #88
95. One thing is that ALL US kids are tested. Most of the countries you're speaking
of wash out their kids early in vocational programs, so the junior high and high school kids represent the elite. Take our top 20% and compare. There's your apples and oranges.
I teach in a poor area as well, yet I have former students who are now at the London School, Stanford, and other great schools. I also have two dead in Iraq, and several in prison, a mix, just as you would expect.
No other country in the world tries to educate EVERY child in an academic way.
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WriteDown (1000+ posts) Tue Mar-09-10 12:16 AM
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97. EXACTLY!
And that should be adopted here. Not everyone is meant to be a doctor and many would excel at being carpenters and electricians.
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Tue Mar-09-10 08:12 AM
Response to Reply #95
98. Yes. A fact lost on these public school bashers.
Thank you.
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Hey sau, you lose. :lmao: Write down did a smack down on ya....with the help of:
Imajika (1000+ posts) Mon Mar-08-10 07:30 PM
Response to Reply #83
93. Sorry, that appeal to emotion just won't cut it...
"I've spent 30 years in this field. I've heard folks talk like you all my life. The underlying implication is that while we spend $720 MILLION every day on war, our kids aren't worth $15K a year to be educated.
I think they are worth 10 times that amount."
Because we squander money in one area of government does not excuse failures elsewhere. That is like saying, well, I know we've budgeted this huge amount of money to fill potholes, and hardly any were actually filled, but it doesn't matter because the defense budget is too high and highway infrastructure is too important not to throw more money at it - so cut defense and give the money to the transportation department!
Your trying to defend schools that are flat out awful - AND that already get more money spent per child than the national average by over 50%.
"So I guess poor kids who live in the urban core aren't deserving of fancy high schools while suburban kids are?"
Oh please, stop it. If your schools suck, the priority should not have been expensive tracks and Olympic pools. That really is like the proverbial lipstick on a pig. The poor kids deserve a real education, so the money should have gone into developing a quality education program to teach them the basics. If they had to hire and fire 10,000 teachers and administrators to find the right people to get that done then they should have.
"Throwing money at an urban district for a few years and expecting miracles is a recipe for failure."
proud2BlibKansan, I'd be more sympathetic to your point if things were getting better, or there was some sign of significant improvement ahead. Then you could at least argue that the results are on the uptick, but just slower than we'd like. Sadly, the Kansas City public schools seem to be a disgrace and only getting worse - and on top of that they've blown through all the law suit money.
"But I would support it again in a heartbeat because as I said I believe our kids deserve it. But then I don't see our schools as dumping grounds. I see them as buildings full of children with potential if given the right combination of opportunities."
So you'd support an expensive, obviously failing system because you think the kids deserve it? This is a system that is so bad the superintendent said the diplomas aren't worth the paper they are written on. How does that make sense? Why on earth would you want to repeat this failure? And I said the KC public schools, along with many urban school districts, are almost just becoming dumping grounds of lost kids. The parents that really care, and can find the money, increasingly get their kids out of the city public schools.
Too many schools are failing, particularly in urban areas, and what we mostly hear is a bunch of excuses. And no, there is no more money. Get used to that. The state and local budget crisis is only going to get worse as the stimulus money runs out. The Jobs Bill will help if we can pass it, but the Federal Government isn't going to be able to prop up local and state public sector workers for much longer. Teachers and administrators will be expected to work harder, possibly for less, and with better results. Those that can't cut it will end up being replaced with more flexible, dynamic educators. That is the reality in the private sector, and it is coming to the public sector soon- especially on the local and state level.
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Face it, government plus NEA and you got a lot of BAD teachers who are overpaid babysitters and many are making kids dumber.
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Imajika, talking some sense! This is not a typical DUmp post. She sounds conservative, sensible, and reality-based. Where did she come from?
Did the militant Hannah Bell chime in here?
BTW, if and when we get the legislature back, I would like to see those scholarships in Washington DC reinstated. Remember those? Pulling those was one of the first acts of the 2009 new diktat. It was utterly disgraceful.
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If they were able to build 15 new schools, some with swimming pools, why weren't they able to fix the ones falling apart?
Cindie
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If they were able to build 15 new schools, some with swimming pools, why weren't they able to fix the ones falling apart?
Cindie
New is always better. My city has done some stupid things regarding schools, but I don't remember any schools with swimming pools here.
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Seriously, what a waste of money. When I was in school, the swim team met at the Y, who had a perfectly good pool already built. Similarly, the golf team met at the local public course. Does P2B think that schools ought to have their own golf courses? Of course! The children deserve it, why shouldn't they get one just because they were born poor? Plus, she's out there EVERY DAY, WORKING HARD to make a difference for the greater good. What have you done today?
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mbperrin (1000+ posts) Mon Mar-08-10 09:26 PM
Response to Reply #88
95. One thing is that ALL US kids are tested. Most of the countries you're speaking
of wash out their kids early in vocational programs, so the junior high and high school kids represent the elite. Take our top 20% and compare. There's your apples and oranges.
I teach in a poor area as well, yet I have former students who are now at the London School, Stanford, and other great schools. I also have two dead in Iraq, and several in prison, a mix, just as you would expect.
No other country in the world tries to educate EVERY child in an academic way.
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And just WTF is this little tidbit supposed to mean? Those who serve this country are at the opposite end of academic achievement? Those of us who put on a uniform can be easily equated with felons? :censored: c :censored:, even with not even an associate's degree, I'll put my level of learning about subjects both academic and real-life up against yours any day.
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And just WTF is this little tidbit supposed to mean? Those who serve this country are at the opposite end of academic achievement? Those of us who put on a uniform can be easily equated with felons? :censored: c :censored:, even with not even an associate's degree, I'll put my level of learning about subjects both academic and real-life up against yours any day.
I think you're reading too much into that one, sounds like all she is trying to say is that she has students that went in all possible directions, and that's just the way kids turn out, not that she was trying to slight any of them.
KC's problem apparently revolves around spending lots of money on the city schools to anchor the middle class and prevent suburban flight, when the school population was in the 70,000 range. Now they have a bunch of expensive facilities to maintain, and whether they stopped suburban flight or not, the Boomer Bump passed and they now have one third the student population and the overhead for a 70,000-student operation, so it's past time to cut infrastructure down to what they actually need for the current population and get the excess property and its mounting maintenance costs off their books. Basically a sound economic idea given the situation they're facing, naturally not popular with the DUmmies because it means cutting some unnecessary public sector jobs when the excess property goes.
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I think you're reading too much into that one, sounds like all she is trying to say is that she has students that went in all possible directions, and that's just the way kids turn out, not that she was trying to slight any of them.
KC's problem apparently revolves around spending lots of money on the city schools to anchor the middle class and prevent suburban flight, when the school population was in the 70,000 range. Now they have a bunch of expensive facilities to maintain, and whether they stopped suburban flight or not, the Boomer Bump passed and they now have one third the student population and the overhead for a 70,000-student operation, so it's past time to cut infrastructure down to what they actually need for the current population and get the excess property and its mounting maintenance costs off their books. Basically a sound economic idea given the situation they're facing, naturally not popular with the DUmmies because it means cutting some unnecessary public sector jobs when the excess property goes.
I agree with you in your initial assessment of the dummy, it didn't seem like there was malice intended but with them you can never be sure.
An even greater part of their (KC) problem IIRC is that they were under a court order (can I get a "liberal activist jurist from the choir?). I remember reading about this mess a few years back, maybe on FR. It is not just whites who flee to the burbs and a better life, any sane person will if given a chance.
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Basically a sound economic idea given the situation they're facing, naturally not popular with the DUmmies because it means cutting some unnecessary public sector jobs when the excess property goes.
No way that will ever happen. Unions own big city democrat administrations. They will just pile more school employees into the remaining buildings. No big city ever sheds jobs as population declines.
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When I was a senior, I did an article for the school newspaper, and somehow managed to get access to a hard copy of teacher's salaries for our school. I don't remember the specifics, but the highest paid was a teacher that had been there for years and years, well liked by students. He was making less than $30K. Of course that was back in 1979. Most teachers were in the low 20's.
Thirty thou in '79, was a hell of a lot o' doe! Even 20 was way above median!
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Thirty thou in '79, was a hell of a lot o' doe! Even 20 was way above median!
I was at a small county school, and we had many classes with 30+ students. There was a lot of farmland that was covered by the district.
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Last night (Wednesday night), the Kansas City Board of Education voted to close 29 of the 61 schools in the district, so it's official now.
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Last night (Wednesday night), the Kansas City Board of Education voted to close 29 of the 61 schools in the district, so it's official now.
It's got to be done. Our districts have to close the one-room schools as the popuation declines even though the kids that started in them do so well.
We had a rancher on the county school board who angered some of the area teachers when he suggested the district just rent space at kitchen tables since the home-schooled kids often did so much better on tests, in college, and in transitioning to work all for so much less money.
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We had a rancher on the county school board who angered some of the area teachers when he suggested the district just rent space at kitchen tables since the home-schooled kids often did so much better on tests, in college, and in transitioning to work all for so much less money.
lol
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It's got to be done. Our districts have to close the one-room schools as the popuation declines even though the kids that started in them do so well.
We had a rancher on the county school board who angered some of the area teachers when he suggested the district just rent space at kitchen tables since the home-schooled kids often did so much better on tests, in college, and in transitioning to work all for so much less money.
Leave it to the common man to have a cheap common sense solution to a simple problem that confounds government to no end and costs tax payers millions.
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Thirty thou in '79, was a hell of a lot o' doe! Even 20 was way above median!
In 1982 with 3 years of experience and a BSME I was only making $25K and worked at least 10 hours of overtime a week....unpaid. Oh and I had to produce machines that actually worked.
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I am so very sad that greenbriar hasn't poked her head out of her lair to rejoin her fellow moonbats at the DUmp. I would have been amused by her thoughts on this topic, I am certain.
$15K per student is more than enough in "elite" private schools. The difference between the "elite" private schools and the public urban cesspools is the parents. If a kid has a crackhead mother and an absentee father, more than likely said kid will NEVER earn a decent grade or pass a standardized test. Sure, there are the few exceptions, the kids who excel against all odds, usually because they were mentored by some guy who looks a lot like Morgan Freeman. But beyond the Movie of the Week, that almost never happens, because all the mentors are at home posting on DU.
The moonbats would read what I just wrote and call me a racist. But I know that different areas of the country have different racial makeups in their urban cesspools. Those crackhead mothers are overwhelmingly white in some parts of the country. There you go.... I exercised my white guilt and posted a disclaimer.
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I am so very sad that greenbriar hasn't poked her head out of her lair to rejoin her fellow moonbats at the DUmp. I would have been amused by her thoughts on this topic, I am certain.
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Well....I wonder, plus, doesn't proud2Blibkansan work in the KCMO school district? Part of this decision includes firing 289 teachers, and 70 administrators........perhaps she got her "pink slip" today.......
doc
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Well....I wonder, plus, doesn't proud2Blibkansan work in the KCMO school district? Part of this decision includes firing 289 teachers, and 70 administrators........perhaps she got her "pink slip" today.......
doc
We'd know by now if she had.
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We'd know by now if she had.
Oh yeah, there'd be a giant pity party at the DUmp if that happened.
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Well....I wonder, plus, doesn't proud2Blibkansan work in the KCMO school district? Part of this decision includes firing 289 teachers, and 70 administrators........perhaps she got her "pink slip" today.......
doc
That's too bad, we have enough idiots already, without trucking any extra ones in from Kansas.
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Well....I wonder, plus, doesn't proud2Blibkansan work in the KCMO school district? Part of this decision includes firing 289 teachers, and 70 administrators........perhaps she got her "pink slip" today.......
I've been keeping my eye on Skins's island for that very reason, to see if the Die alte Sau got what she so richly deserves.
No details yet, either way.
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I've been keeping my eye on Skins's island for that very reason, to see if the Die alte Sau got what she so richly deserves.
No details yet, either way.
Don't worry. She will still be securely attached to the public tit. They will pile more and more school employees into the remaining schools and central administration. They will claim cuts when they eliminate open postions, requested positions, and hoped-for positions, just like the rationale democrats use when they call smaller increases budget cuts.
There's interesting coverage of the meeting in today's Kansas City Star. Not surprisingly, they made it a racial issue. Somehow the nine-member board has four white members, approximately one for each white student in the school system. They all voted in favor of the proposal, along with one of the five black members.
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Even if you were to *****foot around and use only the best of PC terms, you wouldn't be allowed to discuss the "real" problem with the schools.
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Even if you were to *****foot around and use only the best of PC terms, you wouldn't be allowed to discuss the "real" problem with the schools.
True. I am posting a link to some background from Cato Institute, well worth the read IMHO.
March 16, 1998
Money And School Performance:
Lessons from the Kansas City Desegregation Experiment
by Paul Ciotti
Paul Ciotti lives in Los Angeles and writes about education.
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Executive Summary
For decades critics of the public schools have been saying, "You can't solve educational problems by throwing money at them." The education establishment and its supporters have replied, "No one's ever tried." In Kansas City they did try. To improve the education of black students and encourage desegregation, a federal judge invited the Kansas City, Missouri, School District to come up with a cost-is-no-object educational plan and ordered local and state taxpayers to find the money to pay for it.
{excerpted for Fair Use}
Link to entire article (http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-298.html)
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True. I am posting a link to some background from Cato Institute, well worth the read IMHO.
I read every damn word of the link.....a judge did the same thing in several low country counties in SC....same results....and people who don't have any first hand experience with such situations are still trying to tell everyone what's wrong....or right.
My son goes to a predominately black high school and he comes home fussing everyday about the black students won't behave and act like they got some sense in class.....and he is in the honors classes (pretty much the standard classes when I went 50 years ago) where he doesn't have to contend with the worst of the lot.
Maybe they should out law private schools and homeschooling altogether for a few years...start busing kids across state lines to boarding schools to achieve desegragation.... :-) Then we'll see how much the liberal elite likes it.
If you can't raise one group to a higher standard...lower the other groups down to that standard.....the dumbing down of America.
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Lookin' like a fool with your pants on the ground.
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Maybe they should out law private schools and homeschooling altogether for a few years...start busing kids across state lines to boarding schools to achieve desegragation.... :-) Then we'll see how much the liberal elite likes it.
If you can't raise one group to a higher standard...lower the other groups down to that standard.....the dumbing down of America.
Outlaw public school