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http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4443788&page=1
Sen. Barack Obama's pastor says blacks should not sing "God Bless America" but "God damn America."
The Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Obama's pastor for the last 20 years at the Trinity United Church of Christ on Chicago's south side, has a long history of what even Obama's campaign aides concede is "inflammatory rhetoric," including the assertion that the United States brought on the 9/11 attacks with its own "terrorism."
In a campaign appearance earlier this month, Sen. Obama said, "I don't think my church is actually particularly controversial." He said Rev. Wright "is like an old uncle who says things I don't always agree with," telling a Jewish group that everyone has someone like that in their family.
Rev. Wright married Obama and his wife Michelle, baptized their two daughters and is credited by Obama for the title of his book, "The Audacity of Hope."
An ABC News review of dozens of Rev. Wright's sermons, offered for sale by the church, found repeated denunciations of the U.S. based on what he described as his reading of the Gospels and the treatment of black Americans.
"The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law and then wants us to sing 'God Bless America.' No, no, no, God damn America, that's in the Bible for killing innocent people," he said in a 2003 sermon. "God damn America for treating our citizens as less than human. God damn America for as long as she acts like she is God and she is supreme."
In addition to damning America, he told his congregation on the Sunday after Sept. 11, 2001 that the United States had brought on al Qaeda's attacks because of its own terrorism.
"We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye," Rev. Wright said in a sermon on Sept. 16, 2001.
"We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought right back to our own front yards. America's chickens are coming home to roost," he told his congregation.
Sen. Obama told the New York Times he was not at the church on the day of Rev. Wright's 9/11 sermon. "The violence of 9/11 was inexcusable and without justification," Obama said in a recent interview. "It sounds like he was trying to be provocative," Obama told the paper.
Rev. Wright, who announced his retirement last month, has built a large and loyal following at his church with his mesmerizing sermons, mixing traditional spiritual content and his views on contemporary issues.
"I wouldn't call it radical. I call it being black in America," said one congregation member outside the church last Sunday.
"He has impacted the life of Barack Obama so much so that he wants to portray that feeling he got from Rev. Wright onto the country because we all need something positive," said another member of the congregation.
Rev. Wright, who declined to be interviewed by ABC News, is considered one of the country's 10 most influential black pastors, according to members of the Obama campaign.
Obama has praised at least one aspect of Rev. Wright's approach, referring to his "social gospel" and his focus on Africa, "and I agree with him on that."
Sen. Obama declined to comment on Rev. Wright's denunciations of the United States, but a campaign religious adviser, Shaun Casey, appearing on "Good Morning America" Thursday, said Obama "had repudiated" those comments.
In a statement to ABCNews.com, Obama's press spokesman Bill Burton said, "Sen. Obama has said repeatedly that personal attacks such as this have no place in this campaign or our politics, whether they're offered from a platform at a rally or the pulpit of a church. Sen. Obama does not think of the pastor of his church in political terms. Like a member of his family, there are things he says with which Sen. Obama deeply disagrees. But now that he is retired, that doesn't detract from Sen. Obama's affection for Rev. Wright or his appreciation for the good works he has done."
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Memo to Obama--you ARE the company you keep.
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Rev. Jeremiah Wright is moonbat supreme. Anyways, Japan did not attack us on 9/11. Bad logic.
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And this guy will end up whispering in President Obama's ear. *SHUDDERS*
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The DUmpmonkeys are in a foaming spittle exchange and pretzel contest over this, and rightfully so. It is HUGE!!
This could be the beginning of the end of Obamamania. He has no way out of it. "Crazy uncle" won't fix this.
Even ABC News ran it. Wow.
(Of course, it is a right-wing rethug smear campaign. ::) )
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"I wouldn't call it radical. I call it being black in America," said one congregation member outside the church last Sunday.
That more then anything else just simply floored me. :thatsright:
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Looks like it is time for 'Reverend' Wright to go. Buh bye.
KC
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The DUmpmonkeys are in a foaming spittle exchange and pretzel contest over this, and rightfully so. It is HUGE!!
This could be the beginning of the end of Obamamania. He has no way out of it. "Crazy uncle" won't fix this.
Even ABC News ran it. Wow.
(Of course, it is a right-wing rethug smear campaign. ::) )
We all had a crazy uncle like that until the end of last year. But, like good Americans, we distanced ourselves from the craziness. That's why we're here now.
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Looks like it is time for 'Reverend' Wright to go. Buh bye.
KC
It's too late to go. There is a twenty year history with which to deal. And a book Obama wrote dedicated to the Rev. And the quotes by Obama about how the Rev is his mentor and inspiration.
Too late for goodbyes.
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Looks like it is time for 'Reverend' Wright to go. Buh bye.
KC
It's too late to go. There is a twenty year history with which to deal. And a book Obama wrote dedicated to the Rev. And the quotes by Obama about how the Rev is his mentor and inspiration.
Too late for goodbyes.
But Obama is still black. To question racism from blacks is racist. Haven't you learned?
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Looks like it is time for 'Reverend' Wright to go. Buh bye.
KC
It's too late to go. There is a twenty year history with which to deal. And a book Obama wrote dedicated to the Rev. And the quotes by Obama about how the Rev is his mentor and inspiration.
Too late for goodbyes.
But Obama is still black. To question racism from blacks is racist. Haven't you learned?
White, black, red, yellow, brown...no one stands up and tells God to damn America and gets away with it. The population of this country is made up of only 13% black folks. I'd say 75% of the black folks are offended by this. I know 100% of normal people of all colors are offended by this. I know I am outraged.
This is ugly. Obama needs to drop out now.
(BTW, is that church tax exempt? It seems too political to be allowed tax exempt status)
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Looks like it is time for 'Reverend' Wright to go. Buh bye.
KC
It's too late to go. There is a twenty year history with which to deal. And a book Obama wrote dedicated to the Rev. And the quotes by Obama about how the Rev is his mentor and inspiration.
Too late for goodbyes.
But Obama is still black. To question racism from blacks is racist. Haven't you learned?
White, black, red, yellow, brown...no one stands up and tells God to damn America and gets away with it. The population of this country is made up of only 13% black folks. I'd say 75% of the black folks are offended by this. I know 100% of normal people of all colors are offended by this. I know I am outraged.
This is ugly. Obama needs to drop out now.
(BTW, is that church tax exempt? It seems too political to be allowed tax exempt status)
That 75% may be offended, but they'll still vote for him.
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Looks like it is time for 'Reverend' Wright to go. Buh bye.
KC
It's too late to go. There is a twenty year history with which to deal. And a book Obama wrote dedicated to the Rev. And the quotes by Obama about how the Rev is his mentor and inspiration.
Too late for goodbyes.
But Obama is still black. To question racism from blacks is racist. Haven't you learned?
White, black, red, yellow, brown...no one stands up and tells God to damn America and gets away with it. The population of this country is made up of only 13% black folks. I'd say 75% of the black folks are offended by this. I know 100% of normal people of all colors are offended by this. I know I am outraged.
This is ugly. Obama needs to drop out now.
(BTW, is that church tax exempt? It seems too political to be allowed tax exempt status)
That 75% may be offended, but they'll still vote for him.
My neighbors aren't gonna vote for him. They already have a McCain sign out by the street. :)
(Yes, they are black...and very well-off....both hold degrees....she came from money and has a law degree....he is some sort of environmental engineer with an architectural firm in Dallas.)
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Looks like it is time for 'Reverend' Wright to go. Buh bye.
KC
It's too late to go. There is a twenty year history with which to deal. And a book Obama wrote dedicated to the Rev. And the quotes by Obama about how the Rev is his mentor and inspiration.
Too late for goodbyes.
But Obama is still black. To question racism from blacks is racist. Haven't you learned?
White, black, red, yellow, brown...no one stands up and tells God to damn America and gets away with it. The population of this country is made up of only 13% black folks. I'd say 75% of the black folks are offended by this. I know 100% of normal people of all colors are offended by this. I know I am outraged.
This is ugly. Obama needs to drop out now.
(BTW, is that church tax exempt? It seems too political to be allowed tax exempt status)
The IRS already is investigating the church.
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The IRS already is investigating the church.
That will be seen as political, and the backlash will help Obama. It happened here in the mayoral race in Philly. :banghead:
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The IRS already is investigating the church.
That will be seen as political, and the backlash will help Obama. It happened here in the mayoral race in Philly. :banghead:
Nope, not this time. Not with "God Damn America". This one will be applauded.
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LOL! Well, no one can say that I didn't try to warn the Obama loyalists at DU.
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LOL! Well, no one can say that I didn't try to warn the Obama loyalists at DU.
Yeah I guess I should apologize for questioning your support of Hillary at this point. :-)
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LOL! Well, no one can say that I didn't try to warn the Obama loyalists at DU.
Thought you said you didn't post at DU?
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Thought you said you didn't post at DU?
What I said is that I rarely post at DU... or something like that.
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Thought you said you didn't post at DU?
What I said is that I rarely post at DU... or something like that.
Well, Good Lord....do you think that Bozo can keep his lies straight? You ask too much.
That NightBird person is a liberal. Truth is W-A-Y out of his league. Liberalism cannot exist without dishonesty. Everyone knows that.
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Looks like it is time for 'Reverend' Wright to go. Buh bye.
KC
It's too late to go. There is a twenty year history with which to deal. And a book Obama wrote dedicated to the Rev. And the quotes by Obama about how the Rev is his mentor and inspiration.
Too late for goodbyes.
Sorry LU, I don't think I was clear in that post. I meant, it is time for him to GO as in .... someplace other than America. He doesn't deserve to be here.
No, I don't think Obama can distance himself from this and he shouldn't. If I went to a church and the Pastor said a whole bunch of stuff I didn't agree with then I would leave the church. There is too much for Obama to distance himself from. If he comes out saying he didn't agree with all this crap coming out, then I would have to ask myself "Why didn't you find another church or push for another Pastor?"
KC
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LOL! Well, no one can say that I didn't try to warn the Obama loyalists at DU.
Yeah I guess I should apologize for questioning your support of Hillary at this point. :-)
:lmao:
KC
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Supposedly Obama is so-o-o smart; but how could he not expect things like this to make their way into the press?
Now we also have his quid-pro-quo earmarks and Tony Rezko.
It seems the radiance is soon to come off the messiah.
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Looks like it is time for 'Reverend' Wright to go. Buh bye.
KC
It's too late to go. There is a twenty year history with which to deal. And a book Obama wrote dedicated to the Rev. And the quotes by Obama about how the Rev is his mentor and inspiration.
Too late for goodbyes.
But Obama is still black. To question racism from blacks is racist. Haven't you learned?
White, black, red, yellow, brown...no one stands up and tells God to damn America and gets away with it. The population of this country is made up of only 13% black folks. I'd say 75% of the black folks are offended by this. I know 100% of normal people of all colors are offended by this. I know I am outraged.
This is ugly. Obama needs to drop out now.
(BTW, is that church tax exempt? It seems too political to be allowed tax exempt status)
That 75% may be offended, but they'll still vote for him.
My neighbors aren't gonna vote for him. They already have a McCain sign out by the street. :)
(Yes, they are black...and very well-off....both hold degrees....she came from money and has a law degree....he is some sort of environmental engineer with an architectural firm in Dallas.)
My neighbor says he don't know who he'll vote for, but he don't trust Obama. And I think he is a Dem or not political. But my neighbor and your's are not who they refer to as "the black vote". Who they refer to as "the black vote" are the ones taking all the entitlements. Those who work for a living have no need for a Dem in power.
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Memo to Obama--you ARE the company you keep.
Right. This is not mere "guilt by association"..... they are part of his flock, they sought OUT Rev. Wright after "church hunting". And if you take Obama's not saluting the flag, his wife's comments, and this..... well, look like we're giving the job to run the country to people that despise it. Nice, huh?
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Memo to Obama--you ARE the company you keep.
Right. This is not mere "guilt by association"..... they are part of his flock, they sought OUT Rev. Wright after "church hunting". And if you take Obama's not saluting the flag, his wife's comments, and this..... well, look like we're giving the job to run the country to people that despise it. Nice, huh?
Lately I'm of the opinion that Hillary is not the most beatable candidate.
As this, and his defeatism and socialism, gets out Obama could suffer a well-deserved McGovern-esque defeat.
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Supposedly Obama is so-o-o smart; but how could he not expect things like this to make their way into the press?
Now we also have his quid-pro-quo earmarks and Tony Rezko.
It seems the radiance is soon to come off the messiah.
Absolutely correct. Barack Obama is a candidate who is oblivious to what can hurt his chances to win.
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Lately I'm of the opinion that Hillary is not the most beatable candidate.
Anyone who follows politics should have known that when Karl Rove started talking about relishing the chance to go up against Hillary Clinton, what he really meant is that he is afraid of Clintons because he knows that when the GOP goes up against the Clintons the GOP loses.
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Lately I'm of the opinion that Hillary is not the most beatable candidate.
Anyone who follows politics should have known that when Karl Rove started talking about relishing the chance to go up against Hillary Clinton, what he really meant is that he is afraid of Clintons because he knows that when the GOP goes up against the Clintons the GOP loses.
Hillary is still VERY beatable. She is downright despised.
But at least she's more savvy than B Hussein O; who now looks clueless.
The dems have a choice between someone who is hated and someone about to be outright despised.
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Lately I'm of the opinion that Hillary is not the most beatable candidate.
Anyone who follows politics should have known that when Karl Rove started talking about relishing the chance to go up against Hillary Clinton, what he really meant is that he is afraid of Clintons because he knows that when the GOP goes up against the Clintons the GOP loses.
Don't get it confused, Hillary is not Bill Clinton. Bill was a great politician, Hillary is not. Bill could seem geniune, Hillary never has. Bill would not be losing the primary to a junior senator, Hillary is.
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Hillary is still VERY beatable. She is downright despised.
But at least she's more savvy than B Hussein O; who now looks clueless.
The dems have a choice between someone who is hated and someone about to be outright despised.
Hillary Clinton is and has been one of the most scrutinized figures in politics. The fact that Clinton is doing well nationally even after all the scrutiny she has undergone should serve to warn you guys not to underestimate her, but it won't. The fact that Clinton is doing well nationally even after all the scrutiny she has undergone should have served to demonstrate to my side that she is the best candidate, but it didn't.
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Don't get it confused, Hillary is not Bill Clinton. Bill was a great politician, Hillary is not. Bill could seem geniune, Hillary never has. Bill would not be losing the primary to a junior senator, Hillary is.
LOL! I really hope you guys go into the general election thinking the way you do because doing so will guarantee that Mrs. Clinton will steamroller the Republicans.
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Don't get it confused, Hillary is not Bill Clinton. Bill was a great politician, Hillary is not. Bill could seem geniune, Hillary never has. Bill would not be losing the primary to a junior senator, Hillary is.
LOL! I really hope you guys go into the general election thinking the way you do because doing so will guarantee that Mrs. Clinton will steamroller the Republicans.
As what, the running mate? :lmao:
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As what, the running mate? :lmao:
Uh, Reverend Wright's video tirade virtually guarantees that Hillary Clinton will be the Democratic nominee. But don't listen to me. No one ever does... even though I've correctly predicted election outcomes since the 1990s.
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As what, the running mate? :lmao:
Uh, Reverend Wright's video tirade virtually guarantees that Hillary Clinton will be the Democratic nominee. But don't listen to me. No one ever does... even though I've correctly predicted election outcomes since the 1990s.
If she is, it'll be because of the super delegates. Then your party will lose the black vote, because they will see how the dems shit all over them, and whee there place is at the table. What will Hillary do then?
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Hillary has to win EVERY remaining primary to keep from invoking the superdelegates.
That isn't going to happen. The momentum won't shift fast enough unless B Hussein O has a Spitzerian meltdown.
If the superdelegates cringe at the thought of B Hussein O getting tarred over this in the general and decide to throw to Hillary the dems will be lucky to avoid race riots.
Then there's the 50-plus percent of voters who just plain don't like Hillary. You can't win with greater-than-half negatives. Couple that with the likelihood blacks may sit this out if they feel B Hussein O has been subject to racism cloaked as a response to his pastor's racism about racism and the dems look pretty weak.
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Hillary Clinton is and has been one of the most scrutinized figures in politics. The fact that Clinton is doing well nationally even after all the scrutiny she has undergone should serve to warn you guys not to underestimate her, but it won't. The fact that Clinton is doing well nationally even after all the scrutiny she has undergone should have served to demonstrate to my side that she is the best candidate, but it didn't.
Doing well? She's losing to a guy who is a freshman senator.
Her negatives are in the high 40s, low 50s. Almost half the electorate will vote against her just because of who she is...
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Whoops!
Looks like I might have been wrong about super-delegates:
March 14 (Bloomberg) -- Barack Obama has pulled almost even with Hillary Clinton in endorsements from top elected officials and has cut into her lead among the other superdelegates she's relying on to win the Democratic presidential nomination.
Among the 313 of 796 superdelegates who are members of Congress or governors, Clinton has commitments from 103 and Obama is backed by 96, according to lists supplied by the campaigns. Fifty-three of Obama's endorsements have come since he won the Jan. 3 Iowa caucuses, compared with 12 who have aligned with Clinton since then.
``That's not glacial, that is a remarkable momentum,'' Senator Claire McCaskill of Missouri, a superdelegate and Obama supporter, said in an interview. ``I don't think there is anything that will slow that down.''
Leave it to dems to disprove the notion that they might actually operate in their own best interest.
It seems like the dems are determined to follow their pet half-non-white racist into the abyss.
Just as well. If he gets the nod this year and loses he won't be back. If Hillary loses to McCain B Hussein O could come back in 4 years and say, "Look! Not so inexperienced now!"
This is Hillary's best chance and thus arguably last chance; let B Hussein O go down now for reasons other than his inexperience and he can't come back either.
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Then there's the 50-plus percent of voters who just plain don't like Hillary. You can't win with greater-than-half negatives.
No offense, but CUers and CCers, like the DU crowd, tend to underestimate people who they don't like. For instance, John McCain.
Couple that with the likelihood blacks may sit this out if they feel B Hussein O has been subject to racism cloaked as a response to his pastor's racism about racism and the dems look pretty weak.
Black support for Barack Obama is vastly overestimated.
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Whoops!
Looks like I might have been wrong about super-delegates:
March 14 (Bloomberg) -- Barack Obama has pulled almost even with Hillary Clinton in endorsements from top elected officials and has cut into her lead among the other superdelegates she's relying on to win the Democratic presidential nomination.
Among the 313 of 796 superdelegates who are members of Congress or governors, Clinton has commitments from 103 and Obama is backed by 96, according to lists supplied by the campaigns. Fifty-three of Obama's endorsements have come since he won the Jan. 3 Iowa caucuses, compared with 12 who have aligned with Clinton since then.
``That's not glacial, that is a remarkable momentum,'' Senator Claire McCaskill of Missouri, a superdelegate and Obama supporter, said in an interview. ``I don't think there is anything that will slow that down.''
Leave it to dems to disprove the notion that they might actually operate in their own best interest.
It seems like the dems are determined to follow their pet half-non-white racist into the abyss.
Just as well. If he gets the nod this year and loses he won't be back. If Hillary loses to McCain B Hussein O could come back in 4 years and say, "Look! Not so inexperienced now!"
This is Hillary's best chance and thus arguably last chance; let B Hussein O go down now for reasons other than his inexperience and he can't come back either.
But that's not what TNO says, and we all know he's never wrong.
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Doing well? She's losing to a guy who is a freshman senator.
Like everyone else, you're missing the forest for the trees. Barack Obama has done well so far because he is an extremely charismatic figure who hasn't been vetted.
Talk to me in a few days.
Her negatives are in the high 40s, low 50s. Almost half the electorate will vote against her just because of who she is...
Whatever negatives Hillary Clinton has are more than offset by the fact that a large chunk of Republicans... just... hate... McCain.
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Then there's the 50-plus percent of voters who just plain don't like Hillary. You can't win with greater-than-half negatives.
No offense, but CUers and CCers, like the DU crowd, tend to underestimate people who they don't like. For instance, John McCain.
Couple that with the likelihood blacks may sit this out if they feel B Hussein O has been subject to racism cloaked as a response to his pastor's racism about racism and the dems look pretty weak.
Black support for Barack Obama is vastly overestimated.
Overestimated? 80-90% of the black vote in most southern states is overestimated? Does he have to get every black vote to say he has the black vote? Without the black vote, the dems have 0% chance of carrying any southern state.
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Whatever negatives Hillary Clinton has are more than offset by the fact that a large chunk of Republicans... just... hate... McCain.
Who would nonetheless take him over Hillary.
Myself included.
McCain has much broader support, especially across the aisle.
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Hillary has to win EVERY remaining primary to keep from invoking the superdelegates.
What do you mean? The superdelegates can do whatever they want regardless of the election results.
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Hillary has to win EVERY remaining primary to keep from invoking the superdelegates.
What do you mean? The superdelegates can do whatever they want regardless of the election results.
Like the true defenders of democracy the party like to present itself as.
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Hillary has to win EVERY remaining primary to keep from invoking the superdelegates.
What do you mean? The superdelegates can do whatever they want regardless of the election results.
Like the true defenders of democracy the party like to present itself as.
...while chanting "Every vote counts". :whatever: Yeah, all those votes in Florida and Michigan... :whatever:
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Hillary has to win EVERY remaining primary to keep from invoking the superdelegates.
What do you mean? The superdelegates can do whatever they want regardless of the election results.
Like the true defenders of democracy the party like to present itself as.
...while chanting "Every vote counts". :whatever: Yeah, all those votes in Florida and Michigan... :whatever:
That would play-out interestingly.
B Hussein O, like the other democrats except Hillary, honored their written pledge to not seek delegates from either state nd as such did not have themselves put on the ballots.
To seat their delegates without a revote is to hand Hillary uncontested delegates after she reneged (does that sound too racist) on her pledge.
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Hillary Clinton is and has been one of the most scrutinized figures in politics. The fact that Clinton is doing well nationally even after all the scrutiny she has undergone should serve to warn you guys not to underestimate her, but it won't. The fact that Clinton is doing well nationally even after all the scrutiny she has undergone should have served to demonstrate to my side that she is the best candidate, but it didn't.
That says more about the morons supporting the bitch.
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Hillary is still VERY beatable. She is downright despised.
But at least she's more savvy than B Hussein O; who now looks clueless.
The dems have a choice between someone who is hated and someone about to be outright despised.
Hillary Clinton is and has been one of the most scrutinized figures in politics. The fact that Clinton is doing well nationally even after all the scrutiny she has undergone should serve to warn you guys not to underestimate her, but it won't. The fact that Clinton is doing well nationally even after all the scrutiny she has undergone should have served to demonstrate to my side that she is the best candidate, but it didn't.
she is also one of the most hated political figures in American history. The DNC does NOT want her as the candidate, since the blowback will hurt the entire plitical left for a generation.
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she is also one of the most hated political figures in American history. The DNC does NOT want her as the candidate, since the blowback will hurt the entire plitical left for a generation.
Utter nonsense. You guys on these highly partisan right wing sites have convinced each other that the far right represents America, but anyone who is paying attention knows that it doesn't. The fact that John McCain is, despite the best efforts of the Rush Limbaughs of the world, the Republican nominee serves to demonstrate how out of touch with America the far right is. America does not hate Hillary Clinton. Only Bush's base, which is you guys, hates Clinton.
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Utter nonsense. You guys on these highly partisan right wing sites have convinced each other that the far right represents America, but anyone who is paying attention knows that it doesn't. The fact that John McCain is, despite the best efforts of the Rush Limbaughs of the world, the Republican nominee serves to demonstrate how out of touch with America the far right is. America does not hate Hillary Clinton. Only Bush's base, which is you guys, hates Clinton.
Crossover voters gave McCain his win.
If Hillary is such hot shit and her agenda what America wants she should trumpet calling herself a Liberal.
Yet, dems blanche at the word.
Meanwhile, McCain is struggling to prove he is a conservative.
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Utter nonsense. You guys on these highly partisan right wing sites have convinced each other that the far right represents America, but anyone who is paying attention knows that it doesn't. The fact that John McCain is, despite the best efforts of the Rush Limbaughs of the world, the Republican nominee serves to demonstrate how out of touch with America the far right is. America does not hate Hillary Clinton. Only Bush's base, which is you guys, hates Clinton.
Crossover voters gave McCain his win.
If Hillary is such hot shit and her agenda what America wants she would be winning her primary.
Yet, dems blanche at the word.
Meanwhile, McCain is struggling to prove he is a conservative.
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Note that Juan is struggling to prove he's a *real* conservative, while Barack Hussein Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton are both downplaying the fact that they both are "real" liberals.
Now tell me which ideology is more popular.
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This sick freak made that vile sermon on the Sunday after 9/11, when Obama was still a member. Obama is screwed and that is just too bad for him. It is plain vile. Whenever I Fred Phelps preach, I just laugh at him because he is so pathetic. This one is just plain vile.
[youtube=425,350]http://youtube.com/watch?v=36T1fnIafC0[/youtube]
Trinity United Church of Christ is a megachurch with 10,000 members. The church members at the church like him.