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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: franksolich on March 07, 2010, 10:52:56 AM
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Oh my.
HeresyLives (1000+ posts) Fri Mar-05-10 10:53 PM
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Reaction from Con base reversed anthem change!
Reaction from Tory base forces quick reversal on anthem lyrics idea
Ottawa — Stephen Harper, a man not known for political U-turns, has beat the quickest retreat in his career after facing a backlash from the Conservative Party base over his proposal to rewrite O Canada.
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The reversal came just 48 hours after the Tories floated the suggestion in their Throne Speech – a document that was supposed to showcase for Canadians all the ideas Mr. Harper's government had gathered during the two-month prorogation of Parliament.
Controversy over editing the anthem was proving an unwelcome diversion for the Tories, who had planned to use this week to unveil their new economic agenda for Canada and trumpet their plan to whittle down the deficit and make the country more competitive.
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Conservatives say an angry pushback from voters swiftly followed the Throne Speech and persisted through the tabling of the 2010 budget – a reaction that may have dented Mr. Harper's reputation as a master tactician.
If there's one demographic in Canada most likely to oppose an anthem rewrite, it would be Conservative voters
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The Tory base is especially patriotic and deeply attached to symbols of pan-Canadian nationality such as the flag and anthem, former Harper adviser Tom Flanagan said
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/reaction-f... /
Okay...now they have trouble in River City...this will now look like sexism for sure.
But Canada hasn't had a decent national anthem since they dumped "God Save the Queen."
DRex (248 posts) Sat Mar-06-10 11:35 AM
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1. I'd like a change...not only to the 'thy sons'' part, but the 'god keep our land' part too.
And the french version has that stuff about carrying the cross... entirely inappropriate. I can't imagine why this hasn't been a bigger issue, it is hard to reconcile with our multiculturalism.
HeresyLives (1000+ posts) Sat Mar-06-10 12:51 PM
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2. Not a big issue because of our economy.
This is not the time to tinker with something as minor as an anthem. We shouldn't have revised it the first time, cuz it's not something that needs to be updated all the time.
The American and French anthems are about their revolutions in the 1700s.
Actually, the American national anthem's about the War of 1812.
But a Canadian wouldn't know that, one supposes.
DRex (248 posts) Sat Mar-06-10 04:32 PM
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3. It may need to be updated if it is no longer appropriate...
What if the US anthem had mention of the positive power of slavery? The 1700s wouldn't seem so glorious all of a sudden.
There's nothing sacred about an anthem if it does not represent it's nation properly. I agree that obviously it's not a big issue because there are bigger things on our plate, but that doesn't make it a non-issue entirely.
HeresyLives (1000+ posts) Sat Mar-06-10 06:39 PM
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4. No anthem is appropriate.
Most of them are old, and non-reflective of the country. The French one is even very bloody.
What made me laff was the casual way it was tossed into the throne speech without any thot apparently, and now they have another problem on their hands, entirely of their own making. Well...Harp's making. Nobody else knew about it.
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DUmmie US anthem
O say can you see...by the bongs early light...what so proudly we burned...at the campfire last night...blab-blah-blah...land of the lazy....and the home of the leeches.
Nope! I like the old version.
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DUmmie US anthem
O say can you see...by the bongs early light...what so proudly we burned...at the campfire last night...blab-blah-blah...land of the lazy....and the home of the leeches.
Nope! I like the old version.
There's some serious humor potential there.
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Oh my.
But Canada hasn't had a decent national anthem since they dumped "God Save the Queen."
You're quite wrong about that of course, but quite understandable being that you're the raving Anglophile you are. The truth of course is that "The Maple Leaf Forever" was their last good anthem.
:-)
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You're quite wrong about that of course, but quite understandable being that you're the raving Anglophile you are. The truth of course is that "The Maple Leaf Forever" was their last good anthem.
:-)
Actually, "The Maple Leaf Forever" is only merely an informal anthem, much like "America the Beautiful" or "God Bless America" here.
And "Waltzing Matilda" is NOT the Australian national anthem, which surprised me, because I thought it was.
Apparently Canada has two official anthems, "O Canada" and "God Save the Queen," the second being played when royalty is present.
"God Save the Queen" is the national anthem of the United Kingdom. Like many aspects of British constitutional life, its official status derives from custom and use, not from Royal Proclamation or Act of Parliament. In general only one or two verses are sung, but on rare occasions three.
"God Save the King/Queen" was exported around the world via the expansion of the British Empire, serving as each country's national anthem. Throughout the Empire's evolution into the Commonwealth of Nations, the song declined in use in most states which became independent. In some countries it remains as one of the official national anthems, such as in New Zealand, or as an official royal anthem, as is the case in Canada, Australia, Jamaica, Isle of Man, and Tuvalu, to be played during formal ceremonies involving national royalty or vice-royalty. The National Anthem of the United Kingdom is also used in all British Overseas Territories.
In Australia, the song has standing through a Royal Proclamation issued by Governor-General Sir Ninian Stephen on 19 April 1984. It was declared the Royal Anthem and is to be played when the Monarch or a member of the Royal Family is present. The same Proclamation made "Advance Australia Fair" the National Anthem and the basis for the Vice-Regal Salute (the first four and last two bars of the Anthem).
In Canada "God Save the Queen" has not been adopted as the Royal Anthem by statute or proclamation, however it has come to be used as such through convention, and is sometimes sung together with "O Canada" at public events. The Department of National Defence and the Canadian Forces regulates that "God Save the Queen" be played as a salute to the monarch and other members of the Canadian Royal Family, though it may also be used as a hymn, or prayer. The words are not to be sung when the song is played as a military Royal Salute, and is abbreviated to the first three lines while arms are being presented.
The New Zealand national anthems are "God Save the Queen" and "God Defend New Zealand". However, "God Save the Queen" is most often only played when the Sovereign, Governor-General or other member of the Royal Family is present, or on certain occasions such as Anzac Day.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_Save_the_Queen
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But Canada hasn't had a decent national anthem since they dumped "God Save the Queen."
Actually, the American national anthem's about the War of 1812.
The PC Canadian Anthem starts...
"O'Canada...... land that we stole"
heh /jk
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From the same source, it was actually used as the anthem far and wide before Canada adopted an ofiicial one; although it almost became the official one instead of the rather non-rousing 'O Canada,' the reference to Wolfe's victory was too much for the Frenchies to bear.
"The song became quite popular in English Canada and for many years served as an unofficial national anthem.[2][3] Because of its strongly British perspective it became unpopular amongst French Canadians, and this prevented it from ever becoming an official anthem, even though it was seriously considered for that role and was even used as a de facto anthem in many instances.[4]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Maple_Leaf_Forever (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Maple_Leaf_Forever)
From other links I found, kicking 'O Canada' entirely and going back to it is an idea with some currency among some of the Anglophones.
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From other links I found, kicking 'O Canada' entirely and going back to it is an idea with some currency among some of the Anglophones.
so says wikipedia.
I checked out a "libertarian" Canadian blog and they all think its nothing but political distraction.
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Wouldn't Canada have to be an independent country or something to have its own national anthem?
:evillaugh: :fuelfire: :tongue:
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so says wikipedia.
I checked out a "libertarian" Canadian blog and they all think its nothing but political distraction.
"Other links" means "Not Wikipedia."
:whatever:
:hammer:
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Oh CAAA NAAAA DEEEE UHHHHH sucks.
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