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Title: primitives discuss gut-binders
Post by: franksolich on March 05, 2010, 03:43:25 PM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=222x83643

Oh my.

Unfortunately, the gigantic primitive doesn't show up at this campfire.

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T_i_B  (1000+ posts)        Thu Mar-04-10 07:12 AM
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Gastric bands may lead to depression as patients can no longer overeat: researchers

Obese people who have a band fitted around their stomach to help them lose weight may end up thin but can suffer from low self-esteem, relationship problems and leave them struggling to cope, according to new research.

Gastric bands are placed around the top of the stomach and restrict the amount of food that can be comfortably consumed. Researchers at the Diabetes UK Annual Professional Conference (APC) said weight loss surgery should not be seen as a quick fix.

A team from the University of the West of England and Southmead Hospital, Bristol, followed 25 patients, aged from 30 to 58 years and recorded their experience 12 months after receiving a gastric banding operation. Two thirds of them had type 2 diabetes.

There were significant health benefits, as would be expected, but the majority also found there were strong, negative psychological impacts. Many patients struggled with the shift in mindset required to deal with their desire and ability to eat and some considered the band to be no different to dieting. They said losing the opportunity to eat as a coping strategy left them struggling to cope with distressing life events.

Read more: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/7359507/Ga...

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kstewart33  (1000+ posts)        Thu Mar-04-10 07:25 AM
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1. I'm sorry, but tough noogies.

It looks like the surgery worked - isn't stopping overeating the whole point?

Of course, people in this situation would be 'struggling to cope' with addiction. Every addict does.

Looks like these folks were looking for an easy solution, and there is none. What addiction is easy to fix?

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Zoeisright  (1000+ posts)      Thu Mar-04-10 10:32 AM
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14. Wow. How progressive of you.

NOT.

Do you also torture small children and kick kittens?

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Vinca  (1000+ posts)      Thu Mar-04-10 07:30 AM
THE HIP-IMPAIRED VINDICTIVE PRIMITIVE
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3. Proof positive the underlying problem is not food.

Obesity is a complex problem and many surgeries fail because it isn't the cure.

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Donnachaidh  (1000+ posts)      Thu Mar-04-10 07:31 AM
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4. the gastric band is a bandaid fix for a compound fracture

Years ago, when they first started doing the surgeries, I worked with a man who had the band. He had lost a great deal of weight, but nothing was done about his addiction to food.

He had such a severe emotional problem he would literally choke down his lunch, and then sit in the lunchroom and physically salivate watching others eat. He made lunch for everyone a painful experience.
 
The psychological attachment to food must be addressed too.

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T_i_B  (1000+ posts)        Thu Mar-04-10 07:39 AM
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6. "The psychological attachment to food must be addressed too."

I can already see one problem here, which is that we all have an psychological attachment to food, because if we didn't then we'd starve!

As the nun said when thumping the grinning Psychic, "You've got to strike a happy medium!"

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Donnachaidh  (1000+ posts)      Thu Mar-04-10 07:48 AM
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7. so sitting at a worktable physically DROOLING is okay with you?

This guy literally would do that, in hopes that someone would hand over their lunches to get him to STOP that nonsense. He knew what he was doing, and his tactic worked. People usually left the room in disgust, leaving their un-touched food which he would then inhale - literally.

It was a disgusting display, and he was totally shameless about it.

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Zoeisright  (1000+ posts)      Thu Mar-04-10 10:31 AM
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13. Awwww, your poor widdle sensibilities were hurt???

Gee, I bleed for you. Your attitude is the disgusting display here.

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naaman fletcher (1000+ posts)      Thu Mar-04-10 11:07 AM
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17. Everyone wants to absolve fat people of responsibility

I used to have a lot of sympathy for fat people until I was in a business helping them. It turns out that while sure everyone would rather not be fat, most fat people would rather be fat then do simple things like eat less unhealthy things, and actually get up off of their asses every now and then.

It sounds harsh, but pay close attention to the behavior of very obese people and you will see that they choose to be the way that they are, and impose massive costs on the rest of us.

//Yeah, yeah, I am sure somebody has an example of a fat person we should all feel sorry for, so go ahead and post it as if the exception negates the rule.

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Missy Vixen  (1000+ posts)      Thu Mar-04-10 12:14 PM
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22. Wow. I can't imagine what a joy you are IRL.

Perhaps you should find another line of work that you don't have to deal with those you obviously think so little of.

How much does anyone want to bet the Zoe primitive and the vixenish primitive are chubs?
Title: Re: primitives discuss gut-binders
Post by: Tucker on March 05, 2010, 04:16:13 PM
I had to go over and see if the lard azz defender, Two Ton Tessie made an appearance. Yep! She was there. You'll find her in all anti fat people camp fires.

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20. I'd also like to add- learning what food to get your calories from is also key. It's different for
   
different people
Title: Re: primitives discuss gut-binders
Post by: DumbAss Tanker on March 05, 2010, 04:19:42 PM
How much does anyone want to bet the Zoe primitive and the vixenish primitive are chubs?

That would be a "House bet" if there ever was one, just from the fact they are established DUers, even without this thread!

 :lmao:
Title: Re: primitives discuss gut-binders
Post by: shadeaux on March 05, 2010, 05:33:27 PM
I'm in !   :rotf:
Title: Re: primitives discuss gut-binders
Post by: vesta111 on March 05, 2010, 06:35:36 PM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=222x83643

Oh my.

Unfortunately, the gigantic primitive doesn't show up at this campfire.

How much does anyone want to bet the Zoe primitive and the vixenish primitive are chubs?


Very complex situation here.

I see no outstanding rule for people, we need air, food and water to survive, other then that we can adapt to any climate and most any life style.

It may take 20 generations for our body's to change as the Eskimo has, or did at the time we started to explore looking for a North West Passage.  

Was it Admiral Perry that left drawings of Eskimo woman and men whose livers had grown huge in order to accommodate the high fat diet and little if any other food?  No waist shaped like an egg.

In Alaska a study was done on the Discovery Chanel with a  native and the Host of a show to find out if the old fable was true.   Both men, the Native was short and thin, the host was a good 6 feet tall and weighed nearly 200 lbs.

Both went out into -10 degree weather wearing pants, shoes, and a heavy shirt. Both were hooked up to body monitors to track blood flow and core temperature.

The Host handled it OK for about 15 minutes, the native didn't have a problem for over 90 minutes.  The Natives body had somehow changed to allow survival and the blood flow was very different from the hosts.  

What does this have to do with obese people.?

Depends what is in their DNA and life style, climate they live in and perhaps even those they socialize with.

Why in a family of thin and tall people will perhaps just one child be born with big bones, broad hips and humongous Tatars.?

Or--- In a family of short chubby family will a tall thin child pop up.?

You know how it is when one craves a food, we sometimes think that this is the brain telling us we need some nutriment in that food.

So a person that is wired genetically to be over weight has their stomach banded and can only eat perhaps a quarter of what they have been eating for years.  

Talk about a rock and a hard place, this poor person is at the mercy of their genes and a brain trying to control the body's  needs.

Depressed, no wonder,  people can and do loose weight but when genetics kick in, then the yo yo comes out and they loose and gain so often that it takes a toll on the body.  They may in fact have lived 5 years longer had they just stayed 30 lbs. over weight.

BTW, are all your cats still outside enjoying cat life or have a couple decided it is much nicer to be in your lap while you read.?

 





Title: Re: primitives discuss gut-binders
Post by: Specbid on March 05, 2010, 07:35:03 PM
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Zoeisright  (1000+ posts)      Thu Mar-04-10 10:32 AM
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14. Wow. How progressive of you.

NOT.

Do you also torture small children and kick kittens?


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Zoeisright  (1000+ posts)      Thu Mar-04-10 10:31 AM
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13. Awwww, your poor widdle sensibilities were hurt???

Gee, I bleed for you. Your attitude is the disgusting display here.


This zoeisanasshole DUmmie is proving to be one nasty human being...
Title: Re: primitives discuss gut-binders
Post by: The Village Idiot on March 05, 2010, 08:13:14 PM
Wow. Like a turd in the pissbowl
Title: Re: primitives discuss gut-binders
Post by: crockspot on March 05, 2010, 09:58:39 PM
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Zoeisright  (1000+ posts)      Thu Mar-04-10 10:32 AM
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14. Wow. How progressive of you.

NOT.

Do you also torture small children and kick kittens?

Personally, I leave children and kittens alone, but I do get off on beating smartassed progressives until poop drips from their quivering body.  :bird: