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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: thundley4 on March 02, 2010, 05:56:39 PM
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ck4829 (1000+ posts) Tue Mar-02-10 09:33 AM
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Conservatives have a similar utopian worldview that communists and Marxists have
They think that if we just get the government monkey off of everyone's backs with tax cuts and deregulation, we'll enter this magical paradise where corporations and the wealthy will police themselves and will be guaranteed to keep prices low because they choose to, everything will look like "Leave it to Beaver" in real life if we go defeat the "evil liberals", if we cut people off of unemployment and welfare, they'll all magically find jobs that can pay the bills, etc.
These guys are our opposition, these same guys who I can't tell if they're just smoking something really weird when they they have this worldview or something else.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7824912
Huh? WTF is this DUmmie smoking?
izquierdista (1000+ posts) Tue Mar-02-10 09:37 AM
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1. And what do you know about communists and Marxists?
Very little if you see similarities between such opposite world views.
I'm thinking nothing.
Dogmudgeon (1000+ posts) Tue Mar-02-10 09:43 AM
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4. Everything is about money to each of them.
I guess it would be more accurate to say that both share common assumptions. That's something you could even credit Marx with -- dialecticism.
But you are absolutely right in the practical sense. No matter what they share, they are committed to opposing each other, obsessively in many cases.
melm00se (1000+ posts) Tue Mar-02-10 09:39 AM
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2. all political parties
have Utopian world-view specific to their political ideology.
I don't . I know there will always be the "haves" and the "have nots", because there will always be people too lazy to work for their own betterment.
Warpy (1000+ posts) Tue Mar-02-10 09:54 AM
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6. Liberals seemed to be a little more sanguine and less Utopian
and realized the best way to achieve an economy that worked for everyone was to limit the super rich through a combination of taxation and regulation, always realizing the super rich would fight them every step of the way.
Liberals were the only people to achieve a stable economy. Unfortunately, it's hard to amass a large fortune quickly in a stable economy, so the Republicans couldn't wait to overturn every bit of it.
What we have now is the result. What we had before was far from Utopia, but we old folks knew it mostly worked, something we can't say about the economy now.
The Warped primitive truly shows how much her brain has been warped by drugs. When have liberals ever created a stable economy?
left coaster (448 posts) Tue Mar-02-10 09:41 AM
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3. You've just pretty much described the last 30 years in America..
..and quite obviously it didn't yield those results at all. The U.S. is a perfect example of a failed socio-economic experiment. Point that out to a conservative in conversation and watch his/her head explode.
w4rma (1000+ posts) Tue Mar-02-10 09:49 AM
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5. Yup. They are idealists. So, when they see BS pulled by DLC types, they don't like it either. (nt)
blindpig (1000+ posts) Tue Mar-02-10 10:08 AM
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7. Slander
Communists and Marxists are anything but utopian, rationality is premium. Marx himself railed against the utopian tendencies of other socialists. They have no intention of letting the corporations and wealthy 'police themselves', the object is to eliminate private wealth.
You really don't know your ass from first base, do you?
wolfgangmo (1000+ posts) Tue Mar-02-10 10:46 AM
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9. I find no difference in your post and in the ranting of those on the RW
Who keep parsing that this repub or that repub is not a TRUE CONSERVATIVE.
There is too much stoopid and wrongness in this thread.
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What? :lmao:
That's like saying fish are anti-water. Idiots.
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Liberals are less Utopian??
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
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If conservatives were utopian we wouldn't be so big on law enforcement and national defense.
Quite the opposite, we recognize the base nature of Man. We realize there will always be people who want something for nothing and will impinge on other's freedoms to get it, whether it be a despot, a terrorist, a criminal or someone who refuses to work because they can live on entitlements.
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Capitalism is the only form of economics which works in conjunction with human nature. That is why capitalism is the only system that will ever work. In order to succeed, you must give nature its due.
It will forever be a fact that in order for the most people to enjoy a high standard of living there will be the super-rich achievers and the super-poor never-achievers bookending the tremendously stable and prosperous degrees of "the middle class".
Anyone or anything which f*cks with the capitalist order is not acting in the best interest of mankind (and they know it!).
Also a fact, when left alone, capitalism will be the fuel of charity to sustain the super-poor. That's the real "social security".
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ck4829
We liberals have a similar utopian worldview that communists and Marxists have
We think that if we just get the government fully involved in everyone's lives with tax increases and iron-fisted regulation, we'll enter this magical paradise where government will police itself and will be guaranteed to keep freedom intact because they choose to, everything will look like a completely non-violent "The West Wing" in real life if we go defeat the "evil conservatives", if we place all people into government mandated jobs, they'll all magically be happy and productive, etc.
We are our own worst enemy, and I can't tell if we're just smoking something really weird when we have this worldview or something else.
Fixed.
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DUmmie idea of a stable economy:...conservatives work to earn a $100 and the liberals sit on their asses and the government gives them a $100....stable economy.
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left coaster (448 posts) Tue Mar-02-10 09:41 AM
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3The U.S. is a perfect example of a failed socio-economic experiment.
Uh..what? As compared to....? The folks living like barn animals in a workers' paradise? We only live head and shoulders better than anyone in the history of mankind. Even worthless democrats, living like leeches on the body politic, have it better than anyone in any other time or place in history.