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The Bar => The Lounge => Topic started by: BEG on February 26, 2010, 10:20:05 PM
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I fell up the stairs (yes UP) in the garage on Tuesday. I swear at first I thought I broke my knee. It hurt like hell. I was talking to my mom at the time and had my hands full. I caught myself with my elbows. I thought for sure my knee was going to swell and bruise big time. My knee was a little sore for a couple of days and today I only notice it if I push on the very small bruise where I hit it.
Fast forward to about an hour ago. My lower back started hurting.......bad. I'm talking when I bend slightly at the waist I can hardly catch my breath. I'm wondering if it could be from the fall or has it been too many days for it to be from that?
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Yes, it can be pain caused by your up fall. You may have a belated slipped disk......or it could be unrelated nerve problems.
You know how you are! :-* Unpredictable.
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I think Undies is right...though I also think it could be more muscular than disc related. Try 2 things...ice on your lower spine for 15 minutes and heat on the muscles on either side (but not on the spine itself.) This will reduce swelling of the disc and loosen cramped muscles. If you still hurt by Monday, see a DO or chiropractor.
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I think Undies is right...though I also think it could be more muscular than disc related. Try 2 things...ice on your lower spine for 15 minutes and heat on the muscles on either side (but not on the spine itself.) This will reduce swelling of the disc and loosen cramped muscles. If you still hurt by Monday, see a DO or chiropractor.
Having thrown out my back a few times, the last being a week ago while hoisting The Heiress, I've got to add this to your advice--I'd go with strictly icing the back for the first 48 hours to reduce the swelling in both the affected disc (if that's what it is) and the affected muscles.
To go back to the reason for the latest back issue--I was picking up our daughter to sit her on my lap and start to dry her after her shower (she was in there with my wife). I leaned forward a tad, and wham! A bolt of pain across the lower back. I iced it twice, but didn't go to Urgent Care like I should have. Spent Sunday morning into the afternoon at a local hospital's ER. I've seem my chiropractor three times in the last week, and have to go again Monday afternoon. Contrary to what the ER MD wanted me to do, my primary care MD didn't order an MRI. His actual words were, "Not just yet." I've done a bit of research into lumbar pillows since then . . . and I'm trying to stay off the hydrocodone and Flexeril that were prescribed. (It's tough to do that.)
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I've had back problems, and I've found out that large doses, 800mg, of ibuprofen also help.
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Having thrown out my back a few times, the last being a week ago while hoisting The Heiress, I've got to add this to your advice--I'd go with strictly icing the back for the first 48 hours to reduce the swelling in both the affected disc (if that's what it is) and the affected muscles.
To go back to the reason for the latest back issue--I was picking up our daughter to sit her on my lap and start to dry her after her shower (she was in there with my wife). I leaned forward a tad, and wham! A bolt of pain across the lower back. I iced it twice, but didn't go to Urgent Care like I should have. Spent Sunday morning into the afternoon at a local hospital's ER. I've seem my chiropractor three times in the last week, and have to go again Monday afternoon. Contrary to what the ER MD wanted me to do, my primary care MD didn't order an MRI. His actual words were, "Not just yet." I've done a bit of research into lumbar pillows since then . . . and I'm trying to stay off the hydrocodone and Flexeril that were prescribed. (It's tough to do that.)
If she did originally hurt it Tuesday, I'd think heat would work better on muscles by now. I definitely would not heat the spinal area, though...
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I'd use some ice and find a chiropractor. Just make sure that they are a good chiropractic office. You don't need someone adjusting you with a bulged disk.. They'll take x-rays to ascertain your problem.
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Just to be on the safe side....besides doing what everyone else suggested.....drink some cranberry juice just in case in could be kidney related. Also if you start to run a fever....go to the emergency room or an urgent care place. Kidney infections or stones, can start as wicked backaches.
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Just to be on the safe side....besides doing what everyone else suggested.....drink some cranberry juice just in case in could be kidney related. Also if you start to run a fever....go to the emergency room or an urgent care place. Kidney infections or stones, can start as wicked backaches.
I'll second that. Back in June 2007, I almost died from a kidney infection.
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If she did originally hurt it Tuesday, I'd think heat would work better on muscles by now. I definitely would not heat the spinal area, though...
Maybe. I can ice or heat my back now, and ice seems to quell the pain more. 'Course, hydrocodone does the same thing, but that's not where I want to go right now . . .
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I'll second that. Back in June 2007, I almost died from a kidney infection.
They can go from insignificant to horrendous in a very short time.
I've only had one....knock on wood.....I went to urgent care in the morning before going to work, and there was nothing but the doctor gave me those little pills that make you pee orange. Three hours later, I had a high fever and doubled over with pain. What was probably a minor bladder infection turned in to a raging kidney infection. The horse pill antibiotic, while good for the infection, made me sick as a dog.
I always have cranberry juice here, and make sure to drink it while traveling.
I don't ever want one of those again. :o
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My wife has had bad back issues almost her whole adult life. She's finally been getting it taken care of with a combination of Chiropracty, and Acupuncture.
The chiropractor showed her how her muscled are pulling her vertebrae in differant directions. It was kinda freaky honestly.
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I'd use some ice and find a chiropractor. Just make sure that they are a good chiropractic office. You don't need someone adjusting you with a bulged disk.. They'll take x-rays to ascertain your problem.
I can't use a chiropractor per my rheumatologist because of my stents. When I took a shower this morning it made it feel better for a little while then the pain is back. If I sit still and don't move there isn't any pain. If I take a deep breath it hurts. When my husband was rubbing the area I felt kind of an electrical "jolt" (for lack of a better word). Could it be a pinched nerve?
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I've had back problems, and I've found out that large doses, 800mg, of ibuprofen also help.
I can't take ibuprofen right now because I am scheduled to have surgery on thursday. I had to stop fish oil and anything that thins the blood, ibuprofen is one of them. I have taken tylenol but it hasn't helped.
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I can't take ibuprofen right now because I am scheduled to have surgery on thursday. I had to stop fish oil and anything that thins the blood, ibuprofen is one of them. I have taken tylenol but it hasn't helped.
Are you getting your foot done on Thursday?
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I can't use a chiropractor per my rheumatologist because of my stents. When I took a shower this morning it made it feel better for a little while then the pain is back. If I sit still and don't move there isn't any pain. If I take a deep breath it hurts. When my husband was rubbing the area I felt kind of an electrical "jolt" (for lack of a better word). Could it be a pinched nerve?
A pinched nerve might also cause pain in an arm or a leg. It could be just a strained muscle in the lower back, which is what I've had several times. It may not sound to bad, but it is debilitating when it's bad. Most of the normal painkillers didn't work for me, just time, a few days to almost a week of sleeping on the floor.
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Are you getting your foot done on Thursday?
no, my right eye.
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no, my right eye.
Oh no! :heart:
How come?
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Anyone know if vicodin will help back pain (since I can't take ibuprofen for awhile)? My doctor called it in this afternoon. I have taken it before for other reasons and it kind of makes me sick but if it works for back pain I will take it.
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Anyone know if vicodin will help back pain (since I can't take ibuprofen for awhile)? My doctor called it in this afternoon. I have taken it before for other reasons and it kind of makes me sick but if it works for back pain I will take it.
It did, but I didn't follow the label directions.
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It did, but I didn't follow the label directions.
What did you do? Does it make you sick too? I find the first 30 minutes after it kicks in I feel all happy and loving towards everyone, want to read to my kids and play games with them then I suddenly feel sick. Like throw up sick.
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Oh no! :heart:
How come?
He is going to fix some scar tissue on the inside of my lower lid.
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What did you do? Does it make you sick too? I find the first 30 minutes after it kicks in I feel all happy and loving towards everyone, want to read to my kids and play games with them then I suddenly feel sick. Like throw up sick.
I was doubling the dosage, but it did nothing whatsoever for me. It helped the pain only somewhat, enough to allow me to walk, but that's it. I don't seem to get much from painkillers, but muscle relaxants help with the pain more.
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I was doubling the dosage, but it did nothing whatsoever for me. It helped the pain only somewhat, enough to allow me to walk, but that's it. I don't seem to get much from painkillers, but muscle relaxants help with the pain more.
I have taken muscle relaxers before for mid back/shoulder pain and it helped. I wonder why he didn't give me muscle relaxers? I didn't get to talk to him, his assistant just called and said he called in vicodin. I guess something is better than nothing. I thought I was getting better yesterday so I sat in my computer chair for over 4 hours yesterday working on our taxes. I think that was a mistake, today I'm worse than I was yesterday (but not as bad I was on sunday).
Oh and have I said yet today that I hate the money grabbing DU'ers? If we owe what I think we are going to owe we will have paid a shit load of money in taxes this year. The most we have ever paid....more than anyone here can imagine. It makes me want to puke all on it's own, with out the vicodin.
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I have taken muscle relaxers before for mid back/shoulder pain and it helped. I wonder why he didn't give me muscle relaxers? I didn't get to talk to him, his assistant just called and said he called in vicodin. I guess something is better than nothing. I thought I was getting better yesterday so I sat in my computer chair for over 4 hours yesterday working on our taxes. I think that was a mistake, today I'm worse than I was yesterday (but not as bad I was on sunday).
When my back has went out, I've always avoiding for sitting too long. Lying down was much comfortable, even when it was on the floor.
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Vicodin worked wonders for my lower back pain, knee pain, osteoarthritis, for a while. However, I reached a point where I became "used to it". If it's muscular, the muscle relaxer works fine. If it's joint/bone related, Vicodin works mo betta.
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When my back has went out, I've always avoiding for sitting too long. Lying down was much comfortable, even when it was on the floor.
Yup! I'm going through that as I type.
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Well it still makes me sick. I think I would rather have the back pain. I have 60 pills and have used 2 1/2, I'm not going to take the rest.
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I've had back problems, and I've found out that large doses, 800mg, of ibuprofen also help.
Agree completely. Post-injury inflammation can take awhile to work up, but once it does, pressure or pulling on nerve tissue can cause a lot of those shooting pains you get, same for irritations along the spine - there is a vicious circle of small injury irritating a nerve, swelling results, that causes more pain and irritation, and so more swelling - it can take forever to heal on its own, because your bodies healing processes keep aggravating the injury, but ibuprofen is a powerful anti-inflammant, and allows to the damaged tissue to get back to normal dimensions and heal much quicker. I had a rotator cuff injury that just wouldn't heal about 12 years ago, until I went on prescription-strength (800 mg) ibuprofen for a week, and I was back to 100% within a week.
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Agree completely. Post-injury inflammation can take awhile to work up, but once it does, pressure or pulling on nerve tissue can cause a lot of those shooting pains you get, same for irritations along the spine - there is a vicious circle of small injury irritating a nerve, swelling results, that causes more pain and irritation, and so more swelling - it can take forever to heal on its own, because your bodies healing processes keep aggravating the injury, but ibuprofen is a powerful anti-inflammant, and allows to the damaged tissue to get back to normal dimensions and heal much quicker. I had a rotator cuff injury that just wouldn't heal about 12 years ago, until I went on prescription-strength (800 mg) ibuprofen for a week, and I was back to 100% within a week.
800 mg ibuprofen is what I was prescribed, but the pharmacist said it was the same as taking four 200 mg or close to 3 250 mg, so I bought the cheaper ones off the shelf.
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800 mg ibuprofen is what I was prescribed, but the pharmacist said it was the same as taking four 200 mg or close to 3 250 mg, so I bought the cheaper ones off the shelf.
I was a 4-12 Advil a day for years for neck and shoulder. 4 is the same as an 800mg Rx motrin.
I've had to quit because just a couple were giving me intense heartburn and without being too graphic, causing bleeding in my upper GI tract. The heartburn was becoming increasingly worse and increasingly scary.
I have switched to extra strength Tylenol and it does absolutely nothing.
I don't know what else to try... :bawl:
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I was a 4-12 Advil a day for years for neck and shoulder. 4 is the same as an 800mg Rx motrin.
I've had to quit because just a couple were giving me intense heartburn and without being too graphic, causing bleeding in my upper GI tract. The heartburn was becoming increasingly worse and increasingly scary.
I have switched to extra strength Tylenol and it does absolutely nothing.
I don't know what else to try... :bawl:
Try bromelain. It is also suppose to help with heartburn. Google bromelain and neck/shoulder pain. I think ibuprofen (as well as prescription anti-inflammatory meds) caused my tinnitus.
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Try bromelain. It is also suppose to help with heartburn. Google bromelain and neck/shoulder pain. I think ibuprofen (as well as prescription anti-inflammatory meds) caused my tinnitus.
I will check it out....thanks.
Apparently I have a hiatel hernia caused by a bunch of scar tissue on my diaphragm from being punctured by a rib. I was taking Nexium, but I quit a couple of years ago, because I was worried what the Nexium might be doing to me. The Advil was irritating it, causing incredible pain. Pepcid max strength little pills work, if i take them at the first twinge...stupidly, usually I wait too long. :banghead:
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I can't use a chiropractor per my rheumatologist because of my stents. When I took a shower this morning it made it feel better for a little while then the pain is back. If I sit still and don't move there isn't any pain. If I take a deep breath it hurts. When my husband was rubbing the area I felt kind of an electrical "jolt" (for lack of a better word). Could it be a pinched nerve?
Yep! Sounds like the sciatic nerve. Sometimes a muscle relaxer will help. I've never had much luck with the ice/heat thing, but I have 6 screws in mine.
Me thinks if it doesn't ease up, you're gonna have to break down and get an x-ray. Don't wait too long as you could make it worse if it is a disc. Don't like the electric shock part. The older we get, the easier it is to slip one.
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I get "electric shocks" in my legs almost every night. It's called, "myoclonus". I've recently gone back to an old medication I was taking and quit for two years in order to seek some relief. One can't imagine receiving an "electric shock" every couple or three minutes for hours at a time when one is attempting to go to sleep. During the day, it doesn't bother me.
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Try bromelain. It is also suppose to help with heartburn. Google bromelain and neck/shoulder pain. I think ibuprofen (as well as prescription anti-inflammatory meds) caused my tinnitus.
I've been taking 20mg omeprazole for 8 years, as the meds I'm on cause severe heartburn, with no ill effects. The omepraz stops it completely as long as I take it once a day. You can buy it over the counter, too! Helluva lot cheaper than all the commercial brands!
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Vicodin worked wonders for my lower back pain, knee pain, osteoarthritis, for a while. However, I reached a point where I became "used to it". If it's muscular, the muscle relaxer works fine. If it's joint/bone related, Vicodin works mo betta.
The problem with Vicodin is that like all opiates, it is highly addictive, and as you mentioned, with prolonged use, your body builds up a tolerance for it, requiring higher and higher doses to create the same effect......the end of that road isn't pretty.
When I had severe degenerative back pain (for an entire year), my GP referred me to a local "Pain Center".....and to a particular Doc at the center, that he said was excellent. They did a lumbar MRI, and the guy gave me two intra-spinal steriod injections (while I was layinng on a floroscopic table).......within fifteen minutes, the pain was gone, and has not returned for two years......truly an amazing result.
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The problem with Vicodin is that like all opiates, it is highly addictive, and as you mentioned, with prolonged use, your body builds up a tolerance for it, requiring higher and higher doses to create the same effect......the end of that road isn't pretty.
When I had severe degenerative back pain (for an entire year), my GP referred me to a local "Pain Center".....and to a particular Doc at the center, that he said was excellent. They did a lumbar MRI, and the guy gave me two intra-spinal steriod injections (while I was layinng on a floroscopic table).......within fifteen minutes, the pain was gone, and has not returned for two years......truly an amazing result.
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I've had that done a coupla times, but it always comes back after about a week. Glad to see yours worked!
I've tried everything including hypnosis. I'm afraid mine is just a lost cause. Matter of fact, that's what my Neurosurgeon calls me, his "lost cause". He's making light of it of course, but it can be depressing.
( I'm not a Doctor, but I play one on TV! )
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I get "electric shocks" in my legs almost every night. It's called, "myoclonus". I've recently gone back to an old medication I was taking and quit for two years in order to seek some relief. One can't imagine receiving an "electric shock" every couple or three minutes for hours at a time when one is attempting to go to sleep. During the day, it doesn't bother me.
My husband's cousin has peripheral neuropathy of her legs and feet. She was a big drug user in the 80's and early 90's and that is what her doctor says it is from. She can't work so her mom has to support her. It's pretty dang sad.
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I get "electric shocks" in my legs almost every night. It's called, "myoclonus". I've recently gone back to an old medication I was taking and quit for two years in order to seek some relief. One can't imagine receiving an "electric shock" every couple or three minutes for hours at a time when one is attempting to go to sleep. During the day, it doesn't bother me.
While I was on methadone the shocks in my legs stopped. Now that I'm detoxing, they're back. What was ya takin'?
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My husband's cousin has peripheral neuropathy of her legs and feet. She was a big drug user in the 80's and early 90's and that is what her doctor says it is from. She can't work so her mom has to support her. It's pretty dang sad.
She probably has a form of ataxia. There are some forms that are caused by chemical and alcohol abuse. While I was on methadone the shocks in my legs stopped. Now that I'm detoxing, they're back. What was ya takin'?
Night before last, I took a Lyrica, a Flexiril, and a Vicodin. The twitching wouldn't stop. I slept and straight 9 hours!! (I'm usually up every 1½-2 hours for one reason or another) I took two Trazedone and it knocked me flat out. I felt pretty drugged up yesterday and sluggish. Last night, I didn't take the trazedone, but all of the others. I still slept pretty well getting five hours straight, woke up for a minute and another three hours with no twitching. It was probably carryover from the night before last. I'm going to have to experiment with dosages so I can get rid of that "drugged up" feeling but eliminate the twitching.
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Ibuprofen is pretty hard on the liver. I take it for back pain and other routine aches and pains (when I can't stand it anymore), but I try to be watchful about Ibuprofen. I usually take 600 mg at a time, but no more than 1,200 per day. And no more than 3 days.
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She probably has a form of ataxia. There are some forms that are caused by chemical and alcohol abuse.
Night before last, I took a Lyrica, a Flexiril, and a Vicodin. The twitching wouldn't stop. I slept and straight 9 hours!! (I'm usually up every 1½-2 hours for one reason or another) I took two Trazedone and it knocked me flat out. I felt pretty drugged up yesterday and sluggish. Last night, I didn't take the trazedone, but all of the others. I still slept pretty well getting five hours straight, woke up for a minute and another three hours with no twitching. It was probably carryover from the night before last. I'm going to have to experiment with dosages so I can get rid of that "drugged up" feeling but eliminate the twitching.
Flexiril is wonderful!!!! It works great on my neck, and I sleep for hours on that stuff....but my doctor won't let me take it all the time... :(
Can't take vicodin....I'm allergic to codeine so that's one of many that's never prescribed to me.
We all sound like a bunch of old-fart druggies on here comparing what we take for back/neck/leg pain.... :lmao:
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She probably has a form of ataxia. There are some forms that are caused by chemical and alcohol abuse.
Night before last, I took a Lyrica, a Flexiril, and a Vicodin. The twitching wouldn't stop. I slept and straight 9 hours!! (I'm usually up every 1½-2 hours for one reason or another) I took two Trazedone and it knocked me flat out. I felt pretty drugged up yesterday and sluggish. Last night, I didn't take the trazedone, but all of the others. I still slept pretty well getting five hours straight, woke up for a minute and another three hours with no twitching. It was probably carryover from the night before last. I'm going to have to experiment with dosages so I can get rid of that "drugged up" feeling but eliminate the twitching.
Damn!!! I was hopin' it was somethin' simple. I go thru the same shirt! Lately 2 hrs is about as long as I can sleep. I have to get up and basically walk around until my legs get tired. Then I can usually get another 2 hrs. If I want to sleep 4 hrs nonstop, I have to take at least 20mg of Vicodin. It's becoming a routine. Wish there was a way to get rid of it without the opiates.
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The Doc pulled me off of Ibuprofen. He prefers I take Vicodin. As Eupher said, it's hard on one's liver and my liver stats are too high. I normally take one Vicodin at night. The most I've taken over the last couple of years is two/day. Sometimes if I have to make a trip to Dallas, I'll take another. Trazedone is typically an anti-depressant, but it has a few off label uses. When I find the right combo that works for me, I'll let you know Allo.
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The Doc pulled me off of Ibuprofen. He prefers I take Vicodin. As Eupher said, it's hard on one's liver and my liver stats are too high. I normally take one Vicodin at night. The most I've taken over the last couple of years is two/day. Sometimes if I have to make a trip to Dallas, I'll take another. Trazedone is typically an anti-depressant, but it has a few off label uses. When I find the right combo that works for me, I'll let you know Allo.
Appreciate it! I'm always lookin' for solutions! I think sometimes, I've taken every drug known to mankind!
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Appreciate it! I'm always lookin' for solutions! I think sometimes, I've taken every drug known to mankind!
Better living through chemistry, I always say! :cheersmate:
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Better living through chemistry, I always say! :cheersmate:
Yeah, long as I wash it down with scotch it's bearable! Heh!