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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: thundley4 on February 24, 2010, 12:00:16 PM
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salinen (1000+ posts) Wed Feb-24-10 11:01 AM
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OMF I'm pro life
Seriously. I really started thinking about it and came to the conclusion that abortion is not logical. One day I was considering all the endangered and threatened species and how the animals haven't a chance of survival without human intervention. It's impossible for these dwindling populations of animals to possibly come back unless there are efforts by humans to intercede, by protecting them from other humans and human activities. So then I started thinking about humans. Now we are no where near endangered, but we are life forms nonetheless. And if I want to protect endangered animals, why wouldn't I be interested in protecting other life forms, even if they were not endangered? And in a similar way, fetuses are powerless and would not survive without human intervention. They are only able, with our help, to become conscious adult human beings. In fact, they have no choice. They will always become humans. So then, I thought, why should I have a say whether another life form gets to live or die? Who the **** am I? The decider? What if fetuses had some power to decide whether I lived or died? I wouldn't want that! Now I know that this will lead to the argument that they are not conscious beings yet, so, it's o.k. to abort them. Well, again, they have no choice but to become conscious beings. They can never become aardvarks! Anyway, that they have no consciousness at that point is a bad argument for an up or down vote. Does consciousness = goodness and worthiness of life? I hope not. Finally, I'm an atheist. So that fetus, in my opinion, only has one chance and that is to live a single life on earth. I think it should have that chance. I find it arrogant for myself to even consider the fate of another innocent life form. I am not more important.
Fire away
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wait...
he says that we have to be against abortion cuz we need humans around to protect animals from humans? And if there were NO HUMANS around, who would protect nature against humans?
Did the DUmmie really just say that??
Put down those drugs!!
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Wed Feb-24-10 11:04 AM
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2. You are a man. You don't get to tell women what they may
or may not do regarding their reproductive choices.
Let's see how passionate the DUmmy is about that philosophy if his son knocks up a "fundie" who doesn't want an abortion, but plenty of child support.
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Here we have a eugenics fan, one of those population freaks that have come out of the woodwork:
JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Wed Feb-24-10 11:36 AM
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38.
One of the reasons that animals are so vulnerable to extinction today is that the human population has grown almost without bounds. Saving lives and valuing life is wonderful. But human life would have no value in a world with far too many people. That is the sad truth. If we extend life-spans through medicine, through human intervention. We also have to intervene to limit the number of births through medicine.
Another one....
chrisa (1000+ posts) Wed Feb-24-10 12:04 PM
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67. Humans are endangered in the sense that we're in danger
of overpopulating the planet. Abortion and good birth control will prevent this.
ProgressOnTheMove (889 posts) Wed Feb-24-10 12:06 PM
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70. The simple fact is if you take away a persons private choice the zealots will come after condoms...
Edited on Wed Feb-24-10 12:08 PM by ProgressOnTheMove
making just about anything a woman does illegal, next thing you know they're talking about witches again.
:mental:
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Is that Science Czar John Holdren??
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Pro-life...
DUmmie...
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DOES NOT COMPUTE!
head a splodes
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Wed Feb-24-10 11:36 AM
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38.
One of the reasons that animals are so vulnerable to extinction today is that the human population has grown almost without bounds. Saving lives and valuing life is wonderful. But human life would have no value in a world with far too many people. That is the sad truth. If we extend life-spans through medicine, through human intervention. We also have to intervene to limit the number of births through medicine.
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chrisa (1000+ posts) Wed Feb-24-10 12:04 PM
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67. Humans are endangered in the sense that we're in danger
of overpopulating the planet. Abortion and good birth control will prevent this.
Hey DUmmies ! Who says your life is any more important than that of the unborn? Give up your claims to free health care at the expense of others, give up the modern conveniences and die a natural death by age 40. There will be plenty of room for the innocent unborn to live.
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Here we have a eugenics fan, one of those population freaks that have come out of the woodwork:
Another one.... :mental:
As of late, I am thinking that eugenics isn't such a bad idea. Of course, in my version of eugenics...liberals would not be allowed to breed.
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As of late, I am thinking that eugenics isn't such a bad idea. Of course, in my version of eugenics...liberals would not be allowed to breed.
Having seen more than a few......I'm not certain that they breed now........
doc
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Duer 157099 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-24-10 02:20 PM
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142. I'd like to add a perspective that I don't think I've ever heard
There are MILLIONS of human beings on this planet who would most certainly not be here now if their mother had NOT terminated a prior pregnancy.
I personally know a handful of such people, and I know without any doubt that this is true. So I can extrapolate it out to a reasonable ballpark figure of MILLIONS.
Why? There could be several reasons, such as had the prior pregnancy gone to term, that child would have impacted the live(s) of the parents such that no further offspring would have been created by that couple. Or, the simple timeframe itself would have made it absolutely impossible (let's say somebody gets pregnant a few months after a prior termination--trust me, it happens).
So, tell me how you look all those MILLIONS of people in the eye and tell them that if you had it your way, they would have never been born? These aren't fetuses, these are birthed and grown human beings, people who will understand what you are saying when you declare that they should not exist.
They complain about the "theory" that all fetuses are potential children...but it's OK to kill them because their birth may have caused a future pregnancy to not happen. That would make a future, possible pregnancy something that has more rights than a living human fetus. Oh, good logic in that idea. ::) ::)
salinen (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-24-10 02:57 PM
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156. This is exactly why I started this thread
But, all these millions come after the first fetus was aborted. That fetus is not responsible for future abortions. Why, because there are too many variables and not all of them are tragic.
This must be a mole...
Duer 157099 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-24-10 03:09 PM
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164. I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to say there
But my point goes like this:
Find a woman, even a so-called pro-lifer, who has had an abortion, and then subsequently had children. Ask her if she thinks that her current children would have been conceived/born if she HAD NOT had the prior abortion. Then ask her if she regrets having had the abortion if she realizes that her CURRENT LIVING CHILDREN would not have existed. Just try it. I'll tell you what she'll say. She'll say that while she regrets having made that decision, there is NO WAY that given the opportunity to do it again, that she'd choose differently, because that would mean that she would not have her current children.
Sometimes things just happen because they are supposed to, for whatever reason.
Sometimes we end up in an abortion clinic, handing the nurse our money and having our living child sucked out of our body just...because...things happen. This one has seriously needs to break her drug habit and grow a brain.
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Having seen more than a few......I'm not certain that they breed now........
doc
No the fags and dykes don't breed, so the dirty perverts are making it up for it by trying to co-opt other people's kids.
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wait...
he says that we have to be against abortion cuz we need humans around to protect animals from humans? And if there were NO HUMANS around, who would protect nature against humans?
Did the DUmmie really just say that??
Put down those drugs!!
Shhhh....you'll bring him down prematurely and ruin his high.
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ProgressOnTheMove (889 posts) Wed Feb-24-10 12:06 PM
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70. The simple fact is if you take away a persons private choice the zealots will come after condoms...
Edited on Wed Feb-24-10 12:08 PM by ProgressOnTheMove
making just about anything a woman does illegal, next thing you know they're talking about witches again.
Only a pagan witch afraid of pissing-off mother Gia would say such a thing.
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Only a pagan witch afraid of pissing-off mother Gia would say such a thing.
And yet, they don't have a problem with Muslims. :mental: :mental: