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Current Events => Politics => Topic started by: The Village Idiot on February 22, 2010, 05:50:37 PM
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Well,
What can we expect from a moderate from Mass??
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I didn't think he be any better than a RINO. From his comment on Facebook.
Scott Brown “I came to Washington to be an independent voice, to put politics aside, and to do everything in my power to help create jobs for Massachusetts families. This Senate jobs bill is not perfect. I wish the tax cuts were deeper and broader, but I am voting for it because it contains measures that will help put people back to work. ... I hope for improvements in that process going forward.â€
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Golly Gee...
When I've made comments like the above about other candidates/politicians, I've been accused of being a 100 percenter or asked loaded questions like "when have we ever had a person like that?" or "what is conservative enough to suit you?" etc....
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Golly Gee...
When I've made comments like the above about other candidates/politicians, I've been accused of being a 100 percenter or asked loaded questions like "when have we ever had a person like that?" or "what is conservative enough to suit you?" etc....
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Welcome to the club. You should have seen the flak I took for not being 110% Juan McLame 2 years ago. Oh wait; I seem to recall you taking some of that flak too. :thatsright:
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Welcome to the club. You should have seen the flak I took for not being 110% Juan McLame 2 years ago. Oh wait; I seem to recall you taking some of that flak too. :thatsright:
Yup...
I've managed to catch some shrapnel along the way over my refusal to toe a party line. I wear the scars with pride.
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Jeez...welcome to the real world of politics where sometimes you get what you want and sometimes you don`t.
Life in other places may be different then your own,terrible thing to understand those things but whatever
Rather would have had Martha Coakley as a Senator now with Obamacare already signed into place?
Go ahead and say it if you would because that is what the alternative was.
Sorry if that little dose of reality is difficult and you wish to ignore it or flame me for it but it doesn`t change what is.
Can`t help it if you wish to live in make believe land,not my problem I will keep doing whatever I can to get what I can where and whenever I can and anyone else can do the same or stand around griping,I don`t care.
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Jeez...welcome to the real world of politics where sometimes you get what you want and sometimes you don`t.
Life in other places may be different then your own,terrible thing to understand those things but whatever
Rather would have had Martha Coakley as a Senator now with Obamacare already signed into place?
Go ahead and say it if you would because that is what the alternative was.
Sorry if that little dose of reality is difficult and you wish to ignore it or flame me for it but it doesn`t change what is.
Can`t help it if you wish to live in make believe land,not my problem I will keep doing whatever I can to get what I can where and whenever I can and anyone else can do the same or stand around griping,I don`t care.
Well said, sir; all of it, every bit of it, not just the bold area above.
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Welcome to the club. You should have seen the flak I took for not being 110% Juan McLame 2 years ago. Oh wait; I seem to recall you taking some of that flak too. :thatsright:
I remember that well. You called it spot-on, D6. :II:
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Jeez...welcome to the real world of politics where sometimes you get what you want and sometimes you don`t.
No shit Sherlock. Thanks for setting us rubes straight. And here I was thinking everyone on the planet saw it my way.
::)
Life in other places may be different then your own,terrible thing to understand those things but whatever
Gee.. How ever did I live life without your wisdom to guide me? Perhaps some of us understand more than you think, and have other ideas? Novel concept is it not?
Rather would have had Martha Coakley as a Senator now with Obamacare already signed into place?
There is a difference if Scott is going to vote for it anyway?
Go ahead and say it if you would because that is what the alternative was.
See above.
Sorry if that little dose of reality is difficult and you wish to ignore it or flame me for it but it doesn`t change what is.
Oh the pain that it causes me to realize that I am not sophisticated enough to view the world from your eyes.
Can`t help it if you wish to live in make believe land,not my problem I will keep doing whatever I can to get what I can where and whenever I can and anyone else can do the same or stand around griping,I don`t care.
Well me and Peter Pan like the fantasy world. But then again, some of us might just have differing opinions than you about things.
It is rather sad that you don't like that. But it is what it is right?
Wanna know what pisses me off?
People like you trying to tell me what I should think and approve of.
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Jeez...welcome to the real world of politics where sometimes you get what you want and sometimes you don`t.
Life in other places may be different then your own,terrible thing to understand those things but whatever
Rather would have had Martha Coakley as a Senator now with Obamacare already signed into place?
Go ahead and say it if you would because that is what the alternative was.
Sorry if that little dose of reality is difficult and you wish to ignore it or flame me for it but it doesn`t change what is.
Can`t help it if you wish to live in make believe land,not my problem I will keep doing whatever I can to get what I can where and whenever I can and anyone else can do the same or stand around griping,I don`t care.
Pretty good craftsmanship on your straw-man, sir. If we look back on the historical record though, even when the Communist Cosksuckers had all 60 seats in the Senate, they still weren't making any headway. What evidence do you have that makes you think that Coakley being in that seat instead of Brown would have altered that condition one iota?
What the Communist cocksuckers in the White house represent is a cancer eating away at the fabric and framework of America. You don't negotiate with cancer. You don't permit "just a little cancer" into the system, like the RINO cocksuckers seem to think is an acceptable compromise.
When dealing with a cancer, you isolate it from the system and ERADICATE IT. There is no other satisfactory course of action.
If you ask me, The republicans just made their efforts to earn back the trust of Conservatives that much harder between now and November. Too many more ****-ups like this, and I think that no matter what the Communist Cocksuckers in the White House do, the Republicans are going to be looking up at monitors on Election night, and wonering where all these landslide wins the pundits were promising them are.
Probably even then, they still won't have a clue.
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Golly Gee...
When I've made comments like the above about other candidates/politicians, I've been accused of being a 100 percenter or asked loaded questions like "when have we ever had a person like that?" or "what is conservative enough to suit you?" etc....
:rotf:
All the idiots who attacked me when I called bullshit on him being a conservative owe me an apology. Lemmings.
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Gee.. How ever did I live life without your wisdom to guide me? Perhaps some of us understand more than you think, and have other ideas? Novel concept is it not?
There is a difference if Scott is going to vote for it anyway?
See above.
Oh the pain that it causes me to realize that I am not sophisticated enough to view the world from your eyes.
Well me and Peter Pan like the fantasy world. But then again, some of us might just have differing opinions than you about things.
It is rather sad that you don't like that. But it is what it is right?
Wanna know what pisses me off?
People like you trying to tell me what I should think and approve of.
Gee,there is a shock you can`t stand having the reality of your fantasy world painted out clearly in front of you,color me surprised. :whatever:
So then you would just as soon see a lib that will vote against everything you say you stand for 100% of the time then...nice to know and says all about you anyone needs to hear.
**** off to your little gripe world loser,you can`t ever do anything here but post snark anyways so there must be a forum somewhere to make you happy..Oh wait,your ilk doesn`t want to be happy it just wants to complain and never do anything.
What pisses me off is chest thumpers that claim themselves to be pure and true but would rather lose everything then gain anything.
Asshole.
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Brown helped engineer RomneyCare in Mass. He is not nearly as conservative as some thought he was.
Yes, he might be better than the daughter of Satan, Martha Coakley, but he is not our next President, as some had been pushing. lol.
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So Carl...
What was gained?
People like you shouted from the rooftops and attacked people like me. And now you make excuses... and attack people like me.
:rotf: :rotf:
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Pretty good craftsmanship on your straw-man, sir. If we look back on the historical record though, even when the Communist Cosksuckers had all 60 seats in the Senate, they still weren't making any headway. What evidence do you have that makes you think that Coakley being in that seat instead of Brown would have altered that condition one iota?
What the Communist cocksuckers in the White house represent is a cancer eating away at the fabric and framework of America. You don't negotiate with cancer. You don't permit "just a little cancer" into the system, like the RINO cocksuckers seem to think is an acceptable compromise.
When dealing with a cancer, you isolate it from the system and ERADICATE IT. There is no other satisfactory course of action.
If you ask me, The republicans just made their efforts to earn back the trust of Conservatives that much harder between now and November. Too many more ****-ups like this, and I think that no matter what the Communist Cocksuckers in the White House do, the Republicans are going to be looking up at monitors on Election night, and wonering where all these landslide wins the pundits were promising them are.
Probably even then, they still won't have a clue.
Please tell me what Mass stands a chance of electing...is a moderate as it goes preferably in that seat to the communist you describe or should it just be give to that farthest end of the spectrum without challenge?
Honest question and not trying to pick an argument with you on the issue.
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Gee,there is a shock you can`t stand having the reality of your fantasy world painted out clearly in front of you,color me surprised. :whatever:
So then you would just as soon see a lib that will vote against everything you say you stand for 100% of the time then...nice to know and says all about you anyone needs to hear.
**** off to your little gripe world loser,you can`t ever do anything here but post snark anyways so there must be a forum somewhere to make you happy..Oh wait,your ilk doesn`t want to be happy it just wants to complain and never do anything.
What pisses me off is chest thumpers that claim themselves to be pure and true but would rather lose everything then gain anything.
Asshole.
It seems I touched a nerve.
I never claimed to be a purest.
But I see that your skin seems a bit thin when it comes to being disagreed with.
Oh well.
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So Carl...
What was gained?
People like you shouted from the rooftops and attacked people like me. And now you make excuses... and attack people like me.
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Ahhh yes,our little third party person rises from nowhere...been missing for a bit but suddenly came back.
Hmmmm,makes one wonder why,couldn`t be that someone begged you to jump in to this thread huh?
I say it again...he ran as the opposing vote to Obamacare,that not worth anything?
If he turns on that I will call him a liar.
Show me where he said he would oppose a jobs bill...okay?
A jobs bill is a waste,we both think that but it is a short term waste..national health care is the destruction of the economy.
I don`t draw a comparison between the two in implications.
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All the idiots who attacked me when I called bullshit on him being a conservative owe me an apology. Lemmings.
BINGO.
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It seems I touched a nerve.
I never claimed to be a purest.
But I see that your skin seems a bit thin when it comes to being disagreed with.
Oh well.
Not in the least Rich and I never attacked you personally but you saw fit to me and I will stand up for my opinions and not be pushed around.
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Not in the least Rich and I never attacked you personally but you saw fit to me and I will stand up for my opinions and not be pushed around.
I attacked your post with a bit of satire and sarcasm.
You responded by calling me a chest thumper and an asshole.
So don't try to tell me that your skin ain't thin.
You don't like being disagreed with and you took it personally.
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Ahhh yes,our little third party person rises from nowhere...been missing for a bit but suddenly came back.
Hmmmm,makes one wonder why,couldn`t be that someone begged you to jump in to this thread huh?
I say it again...he ran as the opposing vote to Obamacare,that not worth anything?
If he turns on that I will call him a liar.
Show me where he said he would oppose a jobs bill...okay?
A jobs bill is a waste,we both think that but it is a short term waste..national health care is the destruction of the economy.
I don`t draw a comparison between the two in implications.
dance much? Specialized in Tap? Juliard graduate, perhaps?
So as long as he doesn't vote for Obamacare he's all good.. HHHHHHHHHHHHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHA. Funny shit right there.
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Please tell me what Mass stands a chance of electing...is a moderate as it goes preferably in that seat to the communist you describe or should it just be give to that farthest end of the spectrum without challenge?
Honest question and not trying to pick an argument with you on the issue.
You are correct in that given the state of the 'desease' in Massachusetts, Brown was - hell, probably still is - the best we could possibly expect from that state.
But in that case, I still contend that Coakley is almost the better option. The Dim'Rats stymied themselves on ObamaCare. They had 60 seats and they still couldn't close the deal; changing that seat red made little more that propaganda difference in that fight. ObamaCare isn't the only approch the Communist Cocksuckers in the White House are using in their Cloward/Pivens strategy to wreak fundamental changes to the country by collapsing the system under it's own weight. If we put "R"s in the seats, we need to know that they're going to be rock-ribbed against ALL of these; we cannot afford to be surprised to find out that they're "squishy" on one or two.
One or two is all the Communist Cocksucker in Chief needs at this point.
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BINGO.
Thank you, kind sir. :cheersmate:
Now let the attacks begin... I could use the break from work. :rotf:
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I attacked your post with a bit of satire and sarcasm.
You responded by calling me a chest thumper and an *******.
So don't try to tell me that your skin ain't thin.
You don't like being disagreed with and you took it personally.
Nice try to back track or rewrite but there was no sarcasm or satire. ::)
We can go back and forth all night but seeing how it was you my friend that directly quoted and attacked an opinion of mine after posting several of yours suggesting I am the one that doesn`t like to be disagreed with sends that old irony meter into overdrive.
That your little buddy shows up moments later (anyone can do a post search of you two) makes it all the more laughable.
Whatever and is 11:30 my time..I need to go to bed rather then post on threads through the night when folks aren`t around but everyone is perfectly free to search out what all of us have written and make their own opinions.
I invite it in fact. :cheersmate:
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dance much? Specialized in Tap? Juliard graduate, perhaps?
So as long as he doesn't vote for Obamacare he's all good.. HHHHHHHHHHHHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHA. Funny shit right there.
Like I said..welcome to real world dude..someday you may grasp it but if not oh well. :lmao:
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You are correct in that given the state of the 'desease' in Massachusetts, Brown was - hell, probably still is - the best we could possibly expect from that state.
But in that case, I still contend that Coakley is almost the better option. The Dim'Rats stymied themselves on ObamaCare. They had 60 seats and they still couldn't close the deal; changing that seat red made little more that propaganda difference in that fight. ObamaCare isn't the only approch the Communist Cocksuckers in the White House are using in their Cloward/Pivens strategy to wreak fundamental changes to the country by collapsing the system under it's own weight. If we put "R"s in the seats, we need to know that they're going to be rock-ribbed against ALL of these; we cannot afford to be surprised to find out that they're "squishy" on one or two.
One or two is all the Communist Cocksucker in Chief needs at this point.
I am going to disagree on that in that someone that will be with me 50% of the time is preferable to one that will be against me 100% of the time.
Hopefully as this big country goes there will be enough that agree with me 100% of the time in power where they can be to offset having to give up that bit.
My opinion.
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Thank you, kind sir. :cheersmate:
Now let the attacks begin... I could use the break from work. :rotf:
Hells bells.
I got called an asshole for having the audacity of not agreeing with the world view of another poster.
It is an interesting world we live in.
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I am going to disagree on that in that someone that will be with me 50% of the time is preferable to one that will be against me 100% of the time.
Hopefully as this big country goes there will be enough that agree with me 100% of the time in power where they can be to offset having to give up that bit.
My opinion.
The problem is that you never know which 50% of the time you can count on him. Makes him 100% unreliable.
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Like I said..welcome to real world dude..someday you may grasp it but if not oh well. :lmao:
It's going to be interesting to watch people like you make excuses for the next number of years.
Your real world is no different than the Lefts... not at all. You're headed in the same direction, just at a slower pace, yet you're proud of the accomplishment.
Feel free to attack me all you want. You think *I* don't live in the real world, yet *YOU* think things will change simply by electing Republicans. Same shit, different day, yet you hope and hope and hope. Take a step back and see the forest for the trees...
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Nice try to back track or rewrite but there was no sarcasm or satire. ::)
We can go back and forth all night but seeing how it was you my friend that directly quoted and attacked an opinion of mine after posting several of yours suggesting I am the one that doesn`t like to be disagreed with sends that old irony meter into overdrive.
That your little buddy shows up moments later (anyone can do a post search of you two) makes it all the more laughable.
Whatever and is 11:30 my time..I need to go to bed rather then post on threads through the night when folks aren`t around but everyone is perfectly free to search out what all of us have written and make their own opinions.
I invite it in fact. :cheersmate:
My post is still there for all to see as written. I rewrote nothing.
But it is what it is.
My posts and yours are there.
I never called you any names... Like asshole.
But you sure did.
Go figure.
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Hells bells.
I got called an asshole for having the audacity of not agreeing with the world view of another poster.
It is an interesting world we live in.
Interesting, isn't it? I mean, I'd call you an asshole just for fun... but not so much because you disagree. :tongue:
Fun to watch "conservatives" bash the libs and then turn around and bash anyone more conservative than they are. I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry... so mostly I just laugh. I applaud anyone who can stand up and be a true conservative... especially amongst conservatives.
Funny how people say the GOP needs to clean house, but then they get hives when a true conservative walks into the room. :rotf: :rotf:
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Interesting, isn't it? I mean, I'd call you an asshole just for fun... but not so much because you disagree. :tongue:
Fun to watch "conservatives" bash the libs and then turn around and bash anyone more conservative than they are. I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry... so mostly I just laugh. I applaud anyone who can stand up and be a true conservative... especially amongst conservatives.
Funny how people say the GOP needs to clean house, but then they get hives when a true conservative walks into the room. :rotf: :rotf:
Funny but not haha funny. More in the realm of ironic funny.
But what the hell, according to some... I'm a 100 percenter while they will gladly elect Vlad the Impaler if he has the "correct" letter behind his name on a ballot.
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The problem is that you never know which 50% of the time you can count on him. Makes him 100% unreliable.
That concept simply evades some folks.
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Funny but not haha funny. More in the realm of ironic funny.
But what the hell, according to some... I'm a 100 percenter while they will gladly elect Vlad the Impaler if he has the "correct" letter behind his name on a ballot.
I'm in good company, then. :cheersmate:
"R" is the way, the light, the future. Learn it, Love it, Live it. Doesn't matter if they're heading 50MPH into hell, at least it's not 55MPH, and that means it's GOOOOD for the country.
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I'm in good company, then. :cheersmate:
"R" is the way, the light, the future. Learn it, Love it, Live it. Doesn't matter if they're heading 50MPH into hell, at least it's not 55MPH, and that means it's GOOOOD for the country.
Exactly!
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OK, so a Republican, RINO or otherwise, was elected into Dead Ted's seat. This is cause for celebration. Brown's mark is already made. So he's talking about supporting the stupid jobs bill - so what? Is he supposed to just vote NO on everything and get nothing done? Could it be part of his plan, maybe he honestly thinks there's something in that bill with real merit? WTF people? A REBUBLICAN is the Junior Senator from Massa2shits - No body here ever said this guy was to the right of Rush, we wanted him to win because 1) it proves it can be done 2) it breaks an even 60 Dem majority 3) a political HACK went down in flames. Three damn good reasons to have supported the man if you ask me. Stupid little infighting about everything he votes on from here on out is pointless and takes away from the success of what can only be called a brilliant eleventh-hour campaign.
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OK, so a Republican, RINO or otherwise, was elected into Dead Ted's seat. This is cause for celebration. Brown's mark is already made. So he's talking about supporting the stupid jobs bill - so what? Is he supposed to just vote NO on everything and get nothing done? Could it be part of his plan, maybe he honestly thinks there's something in that bill with real merit? WTF people? A REBUBLICAN is the Junior Senator from Massa2shits - No body here ever said this guy was to the right of Rush, we wanted him to win because 1) it proves it can be done 2) it breaks an even 60 Dem majority 3) a political HACK went down in flames. Three damn good reasons to have supported the man if you ask me. Stupid little infighting about everything he votes on from here on out is pointless and takes away from the success of what can only be called a brilliant eleventh-hour campaign.
Are you kidding?
A RINO by another name is a democrat. It only differs by degree.
Forgive me if I can't celebrate another elected Dem-Lite.
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OK, so a Republican, RINO or otherwise, was elected into Dead Ted's seat. This is cause for celebration. Brown's mark is already made. So he's talking about supporting the stupid jobs bill - so what? Is he supposed to just vote NO on everything and get nothing done? Could it be part of his plan, maybe he honestly thinks there's something in that bill with real merit? WTF people? A REBUBLICAN is the Junior Senator from Massa2shits - No body here ever said this guy was to the right of Rush, we wanted him to win because 1) it proves it can be done 2) it breaks an even 60 Dem majority 3) a political HACK went down in flames. Three damn good reasons to have supported the man if you ask me. Stupid little infighting about everything he votes on from here on out is pointless and takes away from the success of what can only be called a brilliant eleventh-hour campaign.
Voting in a Republican is unusual for the state, yes. 1, 2 and 3 mean nothing if he doesn't vote as the conservative he campaigned as. NOTHING. Campaigning means nothing, voting means everything.
Or... we can NOT talk about the voting record, learn nothing from this and get more of the same.
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Voting in a Republican is unusual for the state, yes. 1, 2 and 3 mean nothing if he doesn't vote as the conservative he campaigned as. NOTHING. Campaigning means nothing, voting means everything.
Or... we can NOT talk about the voting record, learn nothing from this and get more of the same.
Bullshit. What was the alternative? Coakley? Great go get her. Healthcrap would be signed right now if she won.
I didn't say don't talk about voting records, but what we don't need is a bunch of babies sitting around crying like they lost their uber-conservative pacifier. Brown had a record before he ran for the senate and that record was ambiguous at best. But again, what was the alternative. Cut your nose off if you want to, your face will still be there.
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I knew he was a moderate from the get-go, but he was better than the daughter of Satan.
Still I could not imagine the excitement from conservatives online who acted as if he was the second coming of the Gipper. Conservative women were swooning and reposting his naked self everywhere. Why do you think I turned off seeing the avatars? I also defriended and hid people at Facebook for that.
He could very well end up voting for some kind of ObamaCare, he did help guide and pass RomneyCare after all.
I had no illusions of him being a conservative but those who did, kind of scare me.
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Bullshit. What was the alternative? Coakley? Great go get her. Healthcrap would be signed right now if she won.
I didn't say don't talk about voting records, but what we don't need is a bunch of babies sitting around crying like they lost their uber-conservative pacifier. Brown had a record before he ran for the senate and that record was ambiguous at best. But again, what was the alternative. Cut your nose off if you want to, your face will still be there.
You cannot continue to vote against someone and expect anythign positive to come from it. Frankly, if he ends up voting not along conservative lines, then you end up with nothing better than "the alternative."
uber-conservative? What is that, exactly?
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I knew he was a moderate from the get-go, but he was better than the daughter of Satan.
Still I could not imagine the excitement from conservatives online who acted as if he was the second coming of the Gipper. Conservative women were swooning and reposting his naked self everywhere. Why do you think I turned off seeing the avatars? I also defriended and hid people at Facebook for that.
He could very well end up voting for some kind of ObamaCare, he did help guide and pass RomneyCare after all.
I had no illusions of him being a conservative but those who did, kind of scare me.
Read some about the man, it'll take five minutes. He's a good guy that happened to grow up in a liberal cesspool. And in case I didn't mention it earlier I lived in Mass from 0-33 years old, so I know the cesspool well.
He was, and is, IMO worth supporting for the very fact he is not a democrat.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Brown (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Brown)
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Read some about the man, it'll take five minutes. He's a good guy that happened to grow up in a liberal cesspool. And in case I didn't mention it earlier I lived in Mass from 0-33 years old, so I know the cesspool well.
He was, and is, IMO worth supporting for the very fact he is not a democrat.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Brown (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Brown)
Except, he's just proven to anybody watching that he's unreliable as hell. Apply the slightest pressure, and he folds like a busted kneecap.
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Party ID is meaningless to me. Bloomberg put an R next to his name, he is still scum.
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Except, he's just proven to anybody watching that he's unreliable as hell. Apply the slightest pressure, and he folds like a busted kneecap.
Senator John Cornyn, Republican of Texas and chairman of the national Republican Senatorial Committee, said Brown did not upset the GOP leadership with his vote.
“This was a procedural vote. There was no sort of insistence by leadership that this was a place where we plant our flag or make our stand,’’ Cornyn said.
Maybe he wanted to be able to vote for a tax break, misplaced as it may be, I don't know and neither do you.
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The "republican leadership" has their own trustworthiness issues to mend with conservatives between now and November. This kind of crap doesn't help them in that effort.
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Maybe he wanted to be able to vote for a tax break, misplaced as it may be, I don't know and neither do you.
The GOP leadership... thats a great place to get affirmation. lol.
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Party ID is meaningless to me. Bloomberg put an R next to his name, he is still scum.
Keep in touch, I'd love to hear your updates as the Conservative Party starts winning elections and takes over the whole gubberment. In the mean time I take any battle that can be won with an "R".
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Gee,there is a shock you can`t stand having the reality of your fantasy world painted out clearly in front of you,color me surprised. :whatever:
So then you would just as soon see a lib that will vote against everything you say you stand for 100% of the time then...nice to know and says all about you anyone needs to hear.
**** off to your little gripe world loser,you can`t ever do anything here but post snark anyways so there must be a forum somewhere to make you happy..Oh wait,your ilk doesn`t want to be happy it just wants to complain and never do anything.
What pisses me off is chest thumpers that claim themselves to be pure and true but would rather lose everything then gain anything.
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That's pretty much it in a nutshell. Brown is a moderate Republican -- however Coakley is an outright socialist (oh and to speak of tota anti-rea-conservative, I guess they missed her recent comments that failure to recognize gay marriage on a federal level is unconstitutional). To even suggest that a socialist in place of a moderate Republican is no different is ignorance on a large scale.
Senator John Cornyn, Republican of Texas and chairman of the national Republican Senatorial Committee, said Brown did not upset the GOP leadership with his vote.
“This was a procedural vote. There was no sort of insistence by leadership that this was a place where we plant our flag or make our stand,’’ Cornyn said
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http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2010/02/23/brown_4_others_in_gop_break_ranks_to_advance_jobs_bill/
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Party ID is meaningless to me. Bloomberg put an R next to his name, he is still scum.
Uh, careful there, sir.
And you know I have nothing but the utmost respect for you.
However.
However.
However.
Party identification is very important because of the way our system is, and the system isn't going to change any time soon.....besides that it's a good system.
If one has conservative values, supporting a left-wing Republican over a right-wing Democrat (in the absence of a conservative Republican capable of winning the particular election) is important, because the election of any (R) helps to move the Republicans into majority status in Congress.....and as the majority of the Republican party tends to be conservative, such liberal Republicans help move us along.
I had to use the same argument (to no avail; they ended up not voting for any candidate in that race) with the hard-headed cousins in Pennsylvania in 2004, during the Republican senatorial contest between incumbent Arlen Specter and challenger Patrick Toomey.
It's different this year, 2010 (my, how the world changes), where Toomey has a chance, a good chance, of winning, but that wasn't the case in 2004. In 2004, if Toomey had been the (R) candidate, he would've lost to the (D), thus losing an important seat for Republicans.....and conservatives.
I insisted that despite their dislike of Specter, they should support him anyway, because it was important for Republicans to hold on to that seat.....and vital for conservatives, too.
Well, Specter won. Despite his liberality, conservatives and the conservative cause profited greatly from his holding onto that seat--we're finally getting a Supreme Court more reflective of public sentiment (although temporarily stalled with il Duce Bo in the White House). I'm not sure what Specter personally thinks of the ideology of Justices Alioto and Roberts, but he helped the conservative cause by getting those nominations through.
Something that wouldn't have been possible if the (R)s were in a minority, or if that senatorial seat had been taken by a (D) because of a then-weak (R) candidate.
And what was the "cost" of this to conservatives?--a few crumbs for Arlen.
We're not primitives here; we can "afford" to toss a few crumbs here-and-there in order to achieve a Greater Objective. We can give a few trinkets away to Republicans such as Snowe and Collins (for examples), in exchange for their partisan support of conservative goals.
Ditto for the junior senator from Massachusetts.
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The 15 Billion bill that Harry swapped in place of the 80-something-Billion bill, which already had bipartisan support, on which he stabbed his own guys in the back? That jobs bill? It'd be nice to slap Harry around, but Snow and Collins aren't on board for that, so it wouldn't happen anyway.
Horrible as this may sound, 15 Billion is peanuts in the budget. It will have no detectable impact on jobs. Suppose you just gave away the money to 5 million unemployed people, with no transaction costs and everybody handling it doing their jobs for free; every one of them would receive $3000, which really isn't going to do shit. On top of that, about half of it isn't even real money but BS one-shot tax credits.
Fighting over this bill on either side is just pure political posturing and an attempt on Harry's part to continue painting the GOP as the bad boys. Probably worth it just to frustrate the little bastard's campaign plan.
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The 15 Billion bill that Harry swapped in place of the 80-something-Billion bill, which already had bipartisan support, on which he stabbed his own guys in the back? That jobs bill? It'd be nice to slap Harry around, but Snow and Collins aren't on board for that, so it wouldn't happen anyway.
Horrible as this may sound, 15 Billion is peanuts in the budget. It will have no detectable impact on jobs. Suppose you just gave away the money to 5 million unemployed people, with no transaction costs and everybody handling it doing their jobs for free; every one of them would receive $3000, which really isn't going to do shit. On top of that, about half of it isn't even real money but BS one-shot tax credits.
Fighting over this bill on either side is just pure political posturing and an attempt on Harry's part to continue painting the GOP as the bad boys. Probably worth it just to frustrate the little bastard's campaign plan.
Interesting take. Thanks for sharing.
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Interesting take. Thanks for sharing.
Rather interesting as well that the vote for was 62 yet the only reporting I have seen is that it was Brown.
Seems the press has decided that is the story and everyone is following suit.
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because the election of any (R) helps to move the Republicans into majority status in Congress
Frank, majority status doesn't come if we get a Jumpin Jim Jeffords again.
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Uh, careful there, sir.
And you know I have nothing but the utmost respect for you.
However.
However.
However.
Party identification is very important because of the way our system is, and the system isn't going to change any time soon.....besides that it's a good system.
If one has conservative values, supporting a left-wing Republican over a right-wing Democrat (in the absence of a conservative Republican capable of winning the particular election) is important, because the election of any (R) helps to move the Republicans into majority status in Congress.....and as the majority of the Republican party tends to be conservative, such liberal Republicans help move us along.
Why would I support a liberal, regardless of the little letter after their name? The only value is to support the "R" agenda. The "R" agenda hasn't been conservative in 20 years... so no value in supporting that. Conservative first... Party second.
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Brown is a sellout....
Carry on...
:popcorn:
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Brown is a sellout....
Carry on...
:popcorn:
Yeah... but he has the right letter behind his name, so it's all good.
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Brown is a sellout....
Carry on...
:popcorn:
But... But... But... it was a referendum! And he's a Conservative!
miss ya! :heart:
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I don't know why everyone is getting their bowels in an uproar over one vote. Anyone that thinks Yankees politicans for the most part are conservatives needs their head examined. Brown and Romney are cut from the same cloth. They will vote for conservative issues most of the time. Surely not as much as I would like. What is the alternative though; you want a raving left wing liberal to hold the office instead. Hell, it pains me to say I voted for that sorry ass McCain but if it was repeat of 2008 in 2012, I would vote for his sorry ass again. The alternative is to allow a die in the wool socialist to turn this country into a European wet dream. For those that say, let it happen and then we can change it, that will not happen and shows stupidity to the highest heavens. Once programs like health care, cap and trade are passed, it will be next to impossible to repeal them. You can not win all the battles but winning the big ones is much more important. This job bill is not a big one.
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They're in an uproar because Brown claimed he was a TEA partier in his campaign, which is an entirely different set of principles than what Scott Brown, the unreliable RINO cocksucker demonstrated.
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I don't know why everyone is getting their bowels in an uproar over one vote. Anyone that thinks Yankees politicans for the most part are conservatives needs their head examined. Brown and Romney are cut from the same cloth. They will vote for conservative issues most of the time. Surely not as much as I would like. What is the alternative though; you want a raving left wing liberal to hold the office instead. Hell, it pains me to say I voted for that sorry ass McCain but if it was repeat of 2008 in 2012, I would vote for his sorry ass again. The alternative is to allow a die in the wool socialist to turn this country into a European wet dream. For those that say, let it happen and then we can change it, that will not happen and shows stupidity to the highest heavens. Once programs like health care, cap and trade are passed, it will be next to impossible to repeal them. You can not win all the battles but winning the big ones is much more important. This job bill is not a big one.
Spot on, sir.
I come from the state that has, ostensibly, the "most conservative" Democrat U.S. Senator, E. Benjamin Nelson; in fact, he's rated as more conservative than some Republicans.
Whoop-whoop-de-do.
Exactly how has a conservative (D) helped the conservative cause?
As we've all seen, a conservative (D), when the chips are down, goes with his own party-line, which is not conservative.
Just as a liberal (R) (Arlen Specter of yore), when the chips were down, went with his own party-line, which was not liberal.
I used to somewhat worry about (R)s in the Senate jumping ship, but no more--after the way the party-switching Specter was treated by the Democrats, I suspect liberal (R)s have suddenly seen the wisdom of sticking with their own.....which has the long-term effect of them moderating some of their own liberalities, at the same time helping the (R)s to slowly regain majority status, after which the conservative values and policies as advocated by the conservative (R)s go forward.
I have no problem with liberal (R)s; they're helping us, and the "price" of their support seems to be pretty minor, a few crumbs here and there. We can afford to give away a few crumbs, so as to attain a Greater Objective.
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Well,
What can we expect from a moderate from Mass??
Exactly. I found it hard to believe how many were supporting him for President after the win. It was ridiculous. My support of him to win Mass was solely based on the epic wailing and gnashing of teeth by the left that it would produce. Taking "Kennedy's" seat was the perfect poke in the eye. As for his politics, I figured he would be just another Mass Republican; somewhere to the left of most other GOPers.
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Exactly. I found it hard to believe how many were supporting him for President after the win. It was ridiculous. My support of him to win Mass was solely based on the epic wailing and gnashing of teeth by the left that it would produce.
Taking "Kennedy's" seat was the perfect poke in the eye. As for his politics, I figured he would be just another Mass Republican; somewhere to the left of most other GOPers.
That's why I never paid attention to any of this "Brown for President" stuff.
Well said, sir.
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They're in an uproar because Brown claimed he was a TEA partier in his campaign, which is an entirely different set of principles than what Scott Brown, the unreliable RINO cocksucker demonstrated.
I could be wrong but I don't remember him claiming to be part of the tea party movement, he was endorsed by some groups, but not all. And I'm sure he reached out to them for donations - not the same as saying he was a part of the movement. As far as what his principles are:
I'm going to be the only person down there who is going to be the independent voter and thinker... I've always been the underdog in one shape or form.
I'm Scott Brown, I'm from Wrentham, I drive a truck, and I am nobody's senator but yours
I’m a Scott Brown Republican.
It seems to me he is standing by his principles, maybe not yours but that's the way the cookie crumbles. Go to the wiki link a few comments up stream and read about the guy.
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BTW:
This is from the Howie Carr show, I listened to Howie for years he has a huge following in Mass...
http://audio.wrko.com/m/audio/29183579/scott-explains-vote.htm
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But... But... But... it was a referendum! And he's a Conservative!
miss ya! :heart:
It was. How exactly is it not?
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It was. How exactly is it not?
I think it was a referendum for Massachusetts on health care reform. He specifically campaigned on voting against it.
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I don't know why everyone is getting their bowels in an uproar over one vote. Anyone that thinks Yankees politicans for the most part are conservatives needs their head examined. Brown and Romney are cut from the same cloth. They will vote for conservative issues most of the time. Surely not as much as I would like. What is the alternative though; you want a raving left wing liberal to hold the office instead. Hell, it pains me to say I voted for that sorry ass McCain but if it was repeat of 2008 in 2012, I would vote for his sorry ass again. The alternative is to allow a die in the wool socialist to turn this country into a European wet dream. For those that say, let it happen and then we can change it, that will not happen and shows stupidity to the highest heavens. Once programs like health care, cap and trade are passed, it will be next to impossible to repeal them. You can not win all the battles but winning the big ones is much more important. This job bill is not a big one.
Something else we agree on. This is getting scary. :uhsure:
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Something else we agree on. This is getting scary. :uhsure:
I know. Saw on TV that Romney is backing McCain. They are like two peas in a pod. I don't see what Repubs see in Romney. He is a smooth talking, attractive candidate; that the same type of critter that occupies the WH now. Brown has got the same MO.; to think idiot conservatives touting he would make a good Prez is beyond me. He is a Rockefeller Republician/RINO who will vote with conservatives most of the time. Anyone that thinks that a true conservative could win that seat is dreaming also because it will never happen.
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I know. Saw on TV that Romney is backing McCain. They are like two peas in a pod. I don't see what Repubs see in Romney. He is a smooth talking, attractive candidate; that the same type of critter that occupies the WH now. Brown has got the same MO.; to think idiot conservatives touting he would make a good Prez is beyond me. He is a Rockefeller Republician/RINO who will vote with conservatives most of the time. Anyone that thinks that a true conservative could win that seat is dreaming also because it will never happen.
Rush said Romney committed political suicide by endorsing mcLame. He's probably right, as usual.
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He sure is better than Curling Iron Coakley
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It was. How exactly is it not?
Been covered plenty of times. You can't call it a referendum against a liberal policy by voting in another liberal.
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Rush said Romney committed political suicide by endorsing mcLame. He's probably right, as usual.
I agree, and I don't particularly like him for a candidate....but the sucker keeps coming up on top in polls....
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Rush said Romney committed political suicide by endorsing mcLame. He's probably right, as usual.
I sure hope so. Having two RINO's running back to back as Presidential contenders (08-012) would almost ensure that the Tea Party would run their own candidate in 2016.
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I sure hope so. Having two RINO's running back to back as Presidential contenders (08-012) would almost ensure that the Tea Party would run their own candidate in 2016.
It isn't like the Republicans haven't done it before. Recently. '92 and '96 come immediately to mind.
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It isn't like the Republicans haven't done it before. Recently. '92 and '96 come immediately to mind.
I was thinking more 2000 and 2004.
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That too.
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It isn't like the Republicans haven't done it before. Recently. '92 and '96 come immediately to mind.
If they do it again in 012, all hell will break out in 016. The way things are going Obama's socialistic policies are going to make things worse. Even if a Repubs RINO boots out Obama, the spending and deficit will go out of sight and little recovery will take place. The Tea Party will dwarf the D & R in the next few years if those DC critters do not get their act together in bringing back jobs and reducing debt. If you think people are angry now, just wait till all those new taxes kick in to pay for the spending spree Congress and the WH has been on.
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If they do it again in 012, all hell will break out in 016. The way things are going Obama's socialistic policies are going to make things worse. Even if a Repubs RINO boots out Obama, the spending and deficit will go out of sight and little recovery will take place. The Tea Party will dwarf the D & R in the next few years if those DC critters do not get their act together in bringing back jobs and reducing debt. If you think people are angry now, just wait till all those new taxes kick in to pay for the spending spree Congress and the WH has been on.
I made a prediction last night, I pray to God never comes true.
First element; all of these predictions for jaw-dropping Republican gains in the mid-term election? Ain't gonna happen. The Progressive Republicans are far too wedded to their assertion that the "era of Reagan is over". They'll continue to back the likes of Crist over conservative "throwbacks" like Rubio right up to, and maybe even beyond the point that Crist is irretreivably losing, and he pulls his Bennedict Arlen imitation. Crap like that will not demonstrate the trustworthiness that conservatives need to see in order to come out for the Republicans. Ergo, turnout in November will be low, low, low. And as a result, the Dim'Rats will still be in firm control of both the house and senate November 6th.
Now, if the Republican Party can take a drubbing like that and still avoid their "Come to Jesus" moment by fronting another Progressive RINO as the Republican candidate for the '12 election - Romney, Huckabee, Pawlenty, etc; it makes no difference which of the squishy ones gets the nod - they will be DEAD as an organization by 2016. They will assume third party status, following in the footsteps of the Whigs before them.