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Current Events => Breaking News => Topic started by: TheSarge on February 18, 2010, 10:32:12 AM
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(http://media.wfaa.com/images/0218kvue.jpg)
Breaking on Fox News now.
More info to follow.
UPDATE:
A small single-engine plane crashed into a building in Northwest Austin Thursday morning, sparking a fire.
The crash happened near MoPac and Highway 183.
Smoke could be scene pouring from a building on traffic cameras.
KVUE’s Noelle Newton reports most of the windows are blown out. People are being evacuated. There is so far no word on how many people have been injured.
Traffic in the area is being diverted.
http://www.wfaa.com/home/Plane-crashes-into-Northwest-Austin-building--84705312.html
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There's some video on CNN now. The building is next door to the FBI office in Austin.
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Traffic cam on the Fox website news feed shows State Highway 183...
southern entrance to D/FW Airport.
ETA: PMSNBC is claiming it's in Austin...a commercial building.
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Traffic cam on the Fox website news feed shows State Highway 183...southern entrance to D/FW Airport.
ETA: PMSNBC is claiming it's in Austin...a commercial building.
Yup. Northwest Austin, at Mopac and 183, per WFAA news.
http://www.wfaa.com/home/Plane-crashes-into-Northwest-Austin-building--84705312.html
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Your title says planes. Did you get reports of more than one plane, or is that a typo? :(
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Your title says planes. Did you get reports of more than one plane, or is that a typo? :(
Sorry. Typo...my typing sucks to begin with...gets worse when I get excited.
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fixed.
Damn, that looks awful. Video on the scene shows a huge mess.
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fixed.
Damn, that looks awful. Video on the scene shows a huge mess.
Some place called the Echelon Building.
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CNN feels the need to point out that it's right next door to the FBI office. I haven't heard if there's any connection.
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CNN feels the need to point out that it's right next door to the FBI office. I haven't heard if there's any connection.
PMSNBC had one report that the IRS is in that building. Haven't heard anything else to verify that.
Eyewittness report says it was a Piper Cherokee 140.
IMHO that building is a total loss...didn't think a small plane like that could do that kind of damage.
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AP has two building occupants unaccounted for in a head count.
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PMSNBC talking head just confirmed that the CIA...FBI and IRS have offices in that building.
ATF is on the scene with the rest of the law enforcement agencies.
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Officials said there were reports an FBI field office was housed in the complex, but it was not hit. They say this appears to be accidental. A number of businesses are located in the building that was hit.
http://www.kvue.com/news/local/Plane-crashes-into-Northwest-Austin-building-84704727.html
An Austin local news station.
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Nappy from DHS is saying it's not terrorism.
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There was also a plane crash yesterday in Menlo Park CA, but it hit a couple of houses with no on the ground casualties.
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Nappy from DHS is saying it's not terrorism.
Color me shocked. :whatever:
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There was also a plane crash yesterday in Menlo Park CA, but it hit a couple of houses with no on the ground casualties.
That plane had three Tesla car execs on board. All three were killed.
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Nappy from DHS is saying it's not terrorism.
Next will be a report that it was a lone extremeist...
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That building's burning pretty good. Bet it stinks to high heaven around there.
How the hell do you crash into a four-story building?
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That building's burning pretty good. Bet it stinks to high heaven around there.
How the hell do you crash into a four-story building?
You aim at it?
Press conference starting now.
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Austin FD: Two people taken to the hospital, one missing.
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Austin FD: Two people taken to the hospital, one missing.
Impact was at the second floor level.
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A witness who described himself as a small-aircraft pilot told KXAN-TV that he witnessed the accident from the parking lot of a nearby restaurant.
“It was really low,†he said. “He brushed along a parking lot light … (and) shot right across the road. It was going really fast. … It sounded like the engine was on full blast. Then it whacked in-between the first and second floor.â€
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35460268/ns/us_news-life
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35460268/ns/us_news-life
That does sound like someone who lost control of an aircraft to me. I'm not a pilot, but if you know you were about to slam into a building, would you go full throttle on your engine?
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Fox News just said that this might be intentional.
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That does sound like someone who lost control of an aircraft to me. I'm not a pilot, but if you know you were about to slam into a building, would you go full throttle on your engine?
IMHO...IF you were purposely aiming at the building...you would to try and maximize the damage.
NTSB spokesman is saying this was an intentional crash.
Breaking on Fox...the pilot set his house on fire before going to his plane and flying it into the building that houses the IRS.
NTSB is treating this like an intentional act.
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I'm looking at the map of the area, there is no way in hell that pilot could not have some way missed that building. It's a big ass open area.
(http://www.foxnews.com/projects/misc_images/PlaneMAP.jpg)
Looking at the image Fox has of the building after the hit, it looks to me like the guy went in from the interstate side.
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Bergstrom Airport is saying the plane did not take off from there.
DPS is trying to determine which airport it took off from.
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IMHO...IF you were purposely aiming at the building...you would to try and maximize the damage.
NTSB spokesman is saying this was an intentional crash.
Breaking on Fox...the pilot set his house on fire before going to his plane and flying it into the building that houses the IRS.
NTSB is treating this like an intentional act.
The FBI does have an office there as well.
http://helloaustin.com/Business_Profile/2560246_5/Federal_Bureau_Investigation.cfm
Anyone find an identity on the pilot yet?
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I'm looking at the map of the area, there is no way in hell that pilot could not have some way missed that building. It's a big ass open area.
Looking at the image Fox has of the building after the hit, it looks to me like the guy went in from the interstate side.
NO, it came in from the opposite side from the freeway according to a witness across the street at a real estate office.
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Breaking on Fox...the pilot set his house on fire before going to his plane and flying it into the building that houses the IRS.
WTF!
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On one of the many stories I just read, it came over the interstate. And it originated in Waco.
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NO, it came in from the opposite side from the freeway according to a witness across the street at a real estate office.
(http://www.foxnews.com/images/598890/8_22_021810_planecrash2.jpg)
Looks to me like a big ass hole in the building facing the interstate.
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Fox Local is reporting domestic dispute as catalyst.
Man set his own house on fire.
IRS is in building and is office for those having disputes with IRS. Not known if that has anything to do with this situation.
Name of home owner hadn’t been released.
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(http://www.foxnews.com/images/598890/8_22_021810_planecrash2.jpg)
Looks to me like a big ass hole in the building facing the interstate.
It came in from the SW...and banked hard to the right before impact.
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NORAD launched two F-16's in response to the crash.
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NORAD launched two F-16's in response to the crash.
And on another note, flight diverted to SLC after bomb threat.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2010/02/18/state/n092016S87.DTL&tsp=1
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The Austin American-Statesman newspaper reported on its Web site that EMS officials have taken two patients to the hospital, and that there are several "walking wounded" at the scene. Paramedics have set up a triage center at the scene.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,586581,00.html
The article also mentions the house fire but says it has not been confirmed.
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(http://www.everettaero.com/PA28.01.jpg)
Piper Cherokee 140
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NBC is reporting that Joseph Stack burned down his house and his wife, Sheryl and child were fleeing the home as it burned. She's an Austin Musician.
They are saying he stole the plane.
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Oh God! That's terrible! I have driven near that place many times. :o
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WTG, whack job! It's idiots like this that give General Avaition pilots an undeserved bad rep.
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Now CNN is reporting that the plane wasn't a Cherokee...it was a Cirrus SR-22
(http://universalpilottraining.com/Cirrus%20SR-22.jpg)
Ok...IMHO it just doesn't seem like either plane would carry enough fuel...even if they hit the building with the throttle wide open...to cause the damage I'm seeing with this building.
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NORAD launched two F-16's in response to the crash.
ETA: The planes were scrambled from Ellington Field in Houston...for the lurking DUmmies they were from the 147th TFW...the same unit W flew with. :fuelfire:
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Bald headed Indian dude on CNN is saying it took off from the Georgetown Airport.
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..... it was a Cirrus SR-22
Ok...IMHO it just doesn't seem like either plane would carry enough fuel...
I love the SR-22. Beautiful plane.
The Cherokee 140 probably carries around 40 gallons of avation fuel, the SR-22 around 70 gallons, but that's a guess without looking it up.
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KVUE in Austin says the second floor is in danger of collapsing.
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WTG, whack job! It's idiots like this that give General Avaition pilots an undeserved bad rep.
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Amen to that!
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KVUE in Austin says the second floor is in danger of collapsing.
If anyone is still there, they have to get out soon.
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KVUE in Austin says the second floor is in danger of collapsing.
Time for the DUmmies to break out the chicken wire and bricks.
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Time for the DUmmies to break out the chicken wire and bricks.
Well they're already blaming the VRWC for the crash.
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KXAN has a few details on the pilot
KXAN-TV reported that cops were at the scene of an earlier fire at a home owned by software engineer Joseph Stack. A neighbor rescued Stack's wife, Austin musician Cheryl Stack, and their 12-year-old daughter.
Joseph Stack, who has a pilot's license, is missing, KXAN-TV reported. The plane may have been stolen.
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2010/02/18/2010-02-18_small_plane_crashes_into_building_in_austin_texas.html#ixzz0fuh8mgFv
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HIs suicide note:
If you’re reading this, you’re no doubt asking yourself, “Why did this have to happen?†The simple truth is that it is complicated and has been coming for a long time. The writing process, started many months ago, was intended to be therapy in the face of the looming realization that there isn’t enough therapy in the world that can fix what is really broken. Needless to say, this rant could fill volumes with example after example if I would let it. I find the process of writing it frustrating, tedious, and probably pointless… especially given my gross inability to gracefully articulate my thoughts in light of the storm raging in my head. Exactly what is therapeutic about that I’m not sure, but desperate times call for desperate measures.
We are all taught as children that without laws there would be no society, only anarchy. Sadly, starting at early ages we in this country have been brainwashed to believe that, in return for our dedication and service, our government stands for justice for all. We are further brainwashed to believe that there is freedom in this place, and that we should be ready to lay our lives down for the noble principals represented by its founding fathers. Remember? One of these was “no taxation without representationâ€. I have spent the total years of my adulthood unlearning that crap from only a few years of my childhood. These days anyone who really stands up for that principal is promptly labeled a “crackpotâ€, traitor and worse.
While very few working people would say they haven’t had their fair share of taxes (as can I), in my lifetime I can say with a great degree of certainty that there has never been a politician cast a vote on any matter with the likes of me or my interests in mind. Nor, for that matter, are they the least bit interested in me or anything I have to say.
Why is it that a handful of thugs and plunderers can commit unthinkable atrocities (and in the case of the GM executives, for scores of years) and when it’s time for their gravy train to crash under the weight of their gluttony and overwhelming stupidity, the force of the full federal government has no difficulty coming to their aid within days if not hours? Yet at the same time, the joke we call the American medical system, including the drug and insurance companies, are murdering tens of thousands of people a year and stealing from the corpses and victims they cripple, and this country’s leaders don’t see this as important as bailing out a few of their vile, rich cronies. Yet, the political “representatives†(thieves, liars, and self-serving scumbags is far more accurate) have endless time to sit around for year after year and debate the state of the “terrible health care problemâ€. It’s clear they see no crisis as long as the dead people don’t get in the way of their corporate profits rolling in.
And justice? You’ve got to be kidding!
How can any rational individual explain that white elephant conundrum in the middle of our tax system and, indeed, our entire legal system? Here we have a system that is, by far, too complicated for the brightest of the master scholars to understand. Yet, it mercilessly “holds accountable†its victims, claiming that they’re responsible for fully complying with laws not even the experts understand. The law “requires†a signature on the bottom of a tax filing; yet no one can say truthfully that they understand what they are signing; if that’s not “duress†than what is. If this is not the measure of a totalitarian regime, nothing is.
How did I get here?
My introduction to the real American nightmare starts back in the early ‘80s. Unfortunately after more than 16 years of school, somewhere along the line I picked up the absurd, pompous notion that I could read and understand plain English. Some friends introduced me to a group of people who were having ‘tax code’ readings and discussions. In particular, zeroed in on a section relating to the wonderful “exemptions†that make institutions like the vulgar, corrupt Catholic Church so incredibly wealthy. We carefully studied the law (with the help of some of the “bestâ€, high-paid, experienced tax lawyers in the business), and then began to do exactly what the “big boys†were doing (except that we weren’t steeling from our congregation or lying to the government about our massive profits in the name of God). We took a great deal of care to make it all visible, following all of the rules, exactly the way the law said it was to be done.
The intent of this exercise and our efforts was to bring about a much-needed re-evaluation of the laws that allow the monsters of organized religion to make such a mockery of people who earn an honest living. However, this is where I learned that there are two “interpretations†for every law; one for the very rich, and one for the rest of us… Oh, and the monsters are the very ones making and enforcing the laws; the inquisition is still alive and well today in this country.
That little lesson in patriotism cost me $40,000+, 10 years of my life, and set my retirement plans back to 0. It made me realize for the first time that I live in a country with an ideology that is based on a total and complete lie. It also made me realize, not only how naive I had been, but also the incredible stupidity of the American public; that they buy, hook, line, and sinker, the crap about their “freedomâ€â€¦ and that they continue to do so with eyes closed in the face of overwhelming evidence and all that keeps happening in front of them.
Before even having to make a shaky recovery from the sting of the first lesson on what justice really means in this country (around 1984 after making my way through engineering school and still another five years of “paying my duesâ€), I felt I finally had to take a chance of launching my dream of becoming an independent engineer.
On the subjects of engineers and dreams of independence, I should digress somewhat to say that I’m sure that I inherited the fascination for creative problem solving from my father. I realized this at a very young age.
The significance of independence, however, came much later during my early years of college; at the age of 18 or 19 when I was living on my own as student in an apartment in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania. My neighbor was an elderly retired woman (80+ seemed ancient to me at that age) who was the widowed wife of a retired steel worker. Her husband had worked all his life in the steel mills of central Pennsylvania with promises from big business and the union that, for his 30 years of service, he would have a pension and medical care to look forward to in his retirement. Instead he was one of the thousands who got nothing because the incompetent mill management and corrupt union (not to mention the government) raided their pension funds and stole their retirement. All she had was social security to live on.
In retrospect, the situation was laughable because here I was living on peanut butter and bread (or Ritz crackers when I could afford to splurge) for months at a time. When I got to know this poor figure and heard her story I felt worse for her plight than for my own (I, after all, I thought I had everything to in front of me). I was genuinely appalled at one point, as we exchanged stories and commiserated with each other over our situations, when she in her grandmotherly fashion tried to convince me that I would be “healthier†eating cat food (like her) rather than trying to get all my substance from peanut butter and bread. I couldn’t quite go there, but the impression was made. I decided that I didn’t trust big business to take care of me, and that I would take responsibility for my own future and myself.
Return to the early ‘80s, and here I was off to a terrifying start as a ‘wet-behind-the-ears’ contract software engineer... and two years later, thanks to the fine backroom, midnight effort by the sleazy executives of Arthur Andersen (the very same folks who later brought us Enron and other such calamities) and an equally sleazy New York Senator (Patrick Moynihan), we saw the passage of 1986 tax reform act with its section 1706.
For you who are unfamiliar, here is the core text of the IRS Section 1706, defining the treatment of workers (such as contract engineers) for tax purposes. Visit this link for a conference committee report (http://www.synergistech.com/1706.shtml#ConferenceCommitteeReport) regarding the intended interpretation of Section 1706 and the relevant parts of Section 530, as amended. For information on how these laws affect technical services workers and their clients, read our discussion here (http://www.synergistech.com/ic-taxlaw.shtml).
SEC. 1706. TREATMENT OF CERTAIN TECHNICAL PERSONNEL.
(a) IN GENERAL - Section 530 of the Revenue Act of 1978 is amended by adding at the end thereof the following new subsection:
(d) EXCEPTION. - This section shall not apply in the case of an individual who pursuant to an arrangement between the taxpayer and another person, provides services for such other person as an engineer, designer, drafter, computer programmer, systems analyst, or other similarly skilled worker engaged in a similar line of work.
(b) EFFECTIVE DATE. - The amendment made by this section shall apply to remuneration paid and services rendered after December 31, 1986.
Note:
· "another person" is the client in the traditional job-shop relationship.
· "taxpayer" is the recruiter, broker, agency, or job shop.
· "individual", "employee", or "worker" is you.
Admittedly, you need to read the treatment to understand what it is saying but it’s not very complicated. The bottom line is that they may as well have put my name right in the text of section (d). Moreover, they could only have been more blunt if they would have came out and directly declared me a criminal and non-citizen slave. Twenty years later, I still can’t believe my eyes.
During 1987, I spent close to $5000 of my ‘pocket change’, and at least 1000 hours of my time writing, printing, and mailing to any senator, congressman, governor, or slug that might listen; none did, and they universally treated me as if I was wasting their time. I spent countless hours on the L.A. freeways driving to meetings and any and all of the disorganized professional groups who were attempting to mount a campaign against this atrocity. This, only to discover that our efforts were being easily derailed by a few moles from the brokers who were just beginning to enjoy the windfall from the new declaration of their “freedomâ€. Oh, and don’t forget, for all of the time I was spending on this, I was loosing income that I couldn’t bill clients.
After months of struggling it had clearly gotten to be a futile exercise. The best we could get for all of our trouble is a pronouncement from an IRS mouthpiece that they weren’t going to enforce that provision (read harass engineers and scientists). This immediately proved to be a lie, and the mere existence of the regulation began to have its impact on my bottom line; this, of course, was the intended effect.
Again, rewind my retirement plans back to 0 and shift them into idle. If I had any sense, I clearly should have left abandoned engineering and never looked back.
Instead I got busy working 100-hour workweeks. Then came the L.A. depression of the early 1990s. Our leaders decided that they didn’t need the all of those extra Air Force bases they had in Southern California, so they were closed; just like that. The result was economic devastation in the region that rivaled the widely publicized Texas S&L fiasco. However, because the government caused it, no one gave a shit about all of the young families who lost their homes or street after street of boarded up houses abandoned to the wealthy loan companies who received government funds to “shore up†their windfall. Again, I lost my retirement.
Years later, after weathering a divorce and the constant struggle trying to build some momentum with my business, I find myself once again beginning to finally pick up some speed. Then came the .COM bust and the 911 nightmare. Our leaders decided that all aircraft were grounded for what seemed like an eternity; and long after that, ‘special’ facilities like San Francisco were on security alert for months. This made access to my customers prohibitively expensive. Ironically, after what they had done the Government came to the aid of the airlines with billions of our tax dollars … as usual they left me to rot and die while they bailed out their rich, incompetent cronies WITH MY MONEY! After these events, there went my business but not quite yet all of my retirement and savings.
By this time, I’m thinking that it might be good for a change. Bye to California, I’ll try Austin for a while. So I moved, only to find out that this is a place with a highly inflated sense of self-importance and where damn little real engineering work is done. I’ve never experienced such a hard time finding work. The rates are 1/3 of what I was earning before the crash, because pay rates here are fixed by the three or four large companies in the area who are in collusion to drive down prices and wages… and this happens because the justice department is all on the take and doesn’t give a **** about serving anyone or anything but themselves and their rich buddies.
To survive, I was forced to cannibalize my savings and retirement, the last of which was a small IRA. This came in a year with mammoth expenses and not a single dollar of income. I filed no return that year thinking that because I didn’t have any income there was no need. The sleazy government decided that they disagreed. But they didn’t notify me in time for me to launch a legal objection so when I attempted to get a protest filed with the court I was told I was no longer entitled to due process because the time to file ran out. Bend over for another $10,000 helping of justice.
So now we come to the present. After my experience with the CPA world, following the business crash I swore that I’d never enter another accountant’s office again. But here I am with a new marriage and a boatload of undocumented income, not to mention an expensive new business asset, a piano, which I had no idea how to handle. After considerable thought I decided that it would be irresponsible NOT to get professional help; a very big mistake.
When we received the forms back I was very optimistic that they were in order. I had taken all of the years information to Bill Ross, and he came back with results very similar to what I was expecting. Except that he had neglected to include the contents of Sheryl’s unreported income; $12,700 worth of it. To make matters worse, Ross knew all along this was missing and I didn’t have a clue until he pointed it out in the middle of the audit. By that time it had become brutally evident that he was representing himself and not me.
This left me stuck in the middle of this disaster trying to defend transactions that have no relationship to anything tax-related (at least the tax-related transactions were poorly documented). Things I never knew anything about and things my wife had no clue would ever matter to anyone. The end result is… well, just look around.
I remember reading about the stock market crash before the “great†depression and how there were wealthy bankers and businessmen jumping out of windows when they realized they screwed up and lost everything. Isn’t it ironic how far we’ve come in 60 years in this country that they now know how to fix that little economic problem; they just steal from the middle class (who doesn’t have any say in it, elections are a joke) to cover their asses and it’s “business-as-usualâ€. Now when the wealthy **** up, the poor get to die for the mistakes… isn’t that a clever, tidy solution.
As government agencies go, the FAA is often justifiably referred to as a tombstone agency, though they are hardly alone. The recent presidential puppet GW Bush and his cronies in their eight years certainly reinforced for all of us that this criticism rings equally true for all of the government. Nothing changes unless there is a body count (unless it is in the interest of the wealthy sows at the government trough). In a government full of hypocrites from top to bottom, life is as cheap as their lies and their self-serving laws.
I know I’m hardly the first one to decide I have had all I can stand. It has always been a myth that people have stopped dying for their freedom in this country, and it isn’t limited to the blacks, and poor immigrants. I know there have been countless before me and there are sure to be as many after. But I also know that by not adding my body to the count, I insure nothing will change. I choose to not keep looking over my shoulder at “big brother†while he strips my carcass, I choose not to ignore what is going on all around me, I choose not to pretend that business as usual won’t continue; I have just had enough.
I can only hope that the numbers quickly get too big to be white washed and ignored that the American zombies wake up and revolt; it will take nothing less. I would only hope that by striking a nerve that stimulates the inevitable double standard, knee-jerk government reaction that results in more stupid draconian restrictions people wake up and begin to see the pompous political thugs and their mindless minions for what they are. Sadly, though I spent my entire life trying to believe it wasn’t so, but violence not only is the answer, it is the only answer. The cruel joke is that the really big chunks of shit at the top have known this all along and have been laughing, at and using this awareness against, fools like me all along.
I saw it written once that the definition of insanity is repeating the same process over and over and expecting the outcome to suddenly be different. I am finally ready to stop this insanity. Well, Mr. Big Brother IRS man, let’s try something different; take my pound of flesh and sleep well.
The communist creed: From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.
The capitalist creed: From each according to his gullibility, to each according to his greed.
Joe Stack (1956-2010)
02/18/2010
http://embeddedart.com/
DU will NOT be happy.
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Just saw two comments on the Statesman......
"Also, re: Joe Stack, this is just one more reason I wish Californians would stop moving to Austin.)
Joe Stack's manifesto paraphrased: My American Dream didn't come true and it's everyone's fault except mine."
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From CA, moves to Austin and slams capitalism...
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The DUmmies will move into denial mode upon reading that manifesto and claim it was written on Dick Cheney's home computer and planted at the deceased's home by Karl Rove.
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The DUmmies will move into denial mode upon reading that manifesto and claim it was written on Dick Cheney's home computer and planted at the deceased's home by Karl Rove.
They posted a link to it over there.
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Mr Snuggle Bunny
DU will NOT be happy.
Were he a member on Skin's island and had posted this, it would have got rec'd to the top of the greatest page.
Now, several there will have to claim what was written is a gov't plant.
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This is just not a good week for DUmmies.
**** 'em.
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CNN is reading the suicide note.
This guy blames the IRS...the Catholic Church his CPA...his wife and *drumroll* George W. Bush!
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He also calls out the accounting firm of Arthur Anderson...the firm tied to...*drumroll* Enron!
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The DUmmies will move into denial mode upon reading that manifesto and claim it was written on Dick Cheney's home computer and planted at the deceased's home by Karl Rove.
The DUmmies are already in Denial.
cali (1000+ posts) Thu Feb-18-10 01:33 PM
Original message
Whether it's Amy Bishop or Joseph Stack, I don't really give a shit about their grievances
Once you cross the line to murderous rampage, your grievances mean squat. And neither of these people were exactly downtrodden. I have absolutely no sympathy for people this hideously selfish
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7740524
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wow.
How will those in government "spin" this suicide note.
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wow.
How will those in government "spin" this suicide note.
Easy..."It's Bush's fault".
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The DUmmies are already in Denial.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7740524
They really needed this guy to be a Tea Partier. They were drooling for it.
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They really needed this guy to be a Tea Partier. They were drooling for it.
They needed the census taker's suicide to be like that too. It sucks to be a DUmmie.
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They needed the census taker's suicide to be like that too. It sucks to be a DUmmie.
DUmmies are like Pavlov's dogs in their response to things like this.
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The dummies are saying he is a RW teabagger.....still.
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MSNBC is showing a track of the flight path.
Stack took off from the Georgetown airport and flew an almost straight line into the building in Austin.
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cali
Whether it's Amy Bishop or Joseph Stack, I don't really give a shit about their grievances
Once you cross the line to murderous rampage, your grievances mean squat.
Something you have yet to realize old bitter Vermontese primitive is this: As a liberal, your greivances mean squat regardless.
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Good thing we were able to get the whole 6 page manifesto posted here.
KXAN just reported that the FBI is pulling the link.
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Good thing we were able to get the whole 6 page manifesto posted here.
KXAN just reported that the FBI is pulling the link.
Wonder why in the hell they would that? By now everyone who was interested has copied to another web site. Pretty useless to remove it now. Good 'ol FBI, late to the party again!
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The dummies are saying he is a RW teabagger.....still.
Considering that he hates Bush, the Catholic Church, corporations, current health care system, capitalism, blames everyone else for his problems, and calls for open violent revolution, I would say that being a "RW teabagger" would be a stretch.
Hell, throw in messages from a dead chicken and you'd have the subway kitty.
Trying to hang this guy around the Tea Parties is going beyond the realm of believability.
Then again, we are talking about DUmbasses....
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Just saw two comments on the Statesman......
"Also, re: Joe Stack, this is just one more reason I wish Californians would stop moving to Austin.)"
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:cheersmate:
Yeah, though articulate the guy was clearly a total rockhead that just could not stop himself from pissing into the wind. Starting out with a fake 'Church' cooked up by him and his fellow tax-protestor nut-jobs, and then getting slapped down for it, was clearly just the first step on a long contrarian path, or at least that's what I glean from reading between the lines of the Stack Manifesto.
Assuming he was a competent engineer, the crazed bastard would have been well-to-do and almost set for retirement by now if he had decided to take a corporate or government gig with the usual automatic withholding instead of constantly looking for a way to shirk his share of the tax load onto everyone else with a job. Nobody likes taxes, but us taxpayers have even less liking for weasels who are scamming for some way to shove their share of the load onto us.
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Good thing we were able to get the whole 6 page manifesto posted here.
KXAN just reported that the FBI is pulling the link.
CNN still has it up.
I am just glad this is all just one lone fruit loop.
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Fox News is interviewing a guy (former military) named Robin DeHaven who works for a glass replacement company named Binswanger.
He drove to the building after seeing plane and smoke from the crash, put his ladders up to the building -- and when he saw that the people at the window were 'panicked' -- climbed into the building, and helped get five people out.
Incredible.
http://www.theneweditor.com/index.php?/archives/10932-Plane-Crashes-into-Building-in-Austin.html
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:cheersmate:
Yeah, though articulate the guy was clearly a total rockhead that just could not stop himself from pissing into the wind. Starting out with a fake 'Church' cooked up by him and his fellow tax-protestor nut-jobs, and then getting slapped down for it, was clearly just the first step on a long contrarian path, or at least that's what I glean from reading between the lines of the Stack Manifesto.
Assuming he was a competent engineer, the crazed bastard would have been well-to-do and almost set for retirement by now if he had decided to take a corporate or government gig with the usual automatic withholding instead of constantly looking for a way to shirk his share of the tax load onto everyone else with a job. Nobody likes taxes, but us taxpayers have even less liking for weasels who are scamming for some way to shove their share of the load onto us.
I think he would have been set if he'd have just paid his taxes like the rest of us. He was an ant-religion POS that tried to game the system, got caught, then tried to blame everyone but himself! What a loser!
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Here is a link to a picture of the guy: LINK (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,586581,00.html#)
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Some more details about the victims...
A federal employee died when a plane crashed into a building in North Austin Thursday, police say.
According to federal officials, the pilot of the plane started a house fire in North Austin before crashing into a building on the 9400 block of Research Blvd. The building houses 200 employees of the U.S. Internal Revenue Service, including that agency’s criminal investigations division.
EMS officials say 13 people were treated on the scene, suffering from heat-related injuries. Of those, two were critically injured and transported to the hospital. One person suffered second-degree burns across 25 percent of his back. He was transferred to Brooke Army Medical Center in San Antonio. The other suffered non-life threatening injuries due to smoke inhalation.
http://www.news8austin.com/content/your_news/default.asp?ArID=267349
Thank God only one innocent person was killed. I suppose this could have been a lot worse.
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NEW YORK (CBS) FBI sources tell CBS News that they are actively looking for what they believe may be a bomb or explosive left in Joseph Stack's car at the Georgetown Airport.
The airport is 30 minutes from Austin where the FBI says Stack crashed his plane into a building housing IRS employees.
"We are treating this very seriously," an official told CBS News.
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2010/02/18/crimesider/entry6221169.shtml
Thanks to Duke Nukum for the tipoff.
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Considering that he hates Bush, the Catholic Church, corporations, current health care system, capitalism, blames everyone else for his problems, and calls for open violent revolution, I would say that being a "RW teabagger" would be a stretch.
Hell, throw in messages from a dead chicken and you'd have the subway kitty.
Trying to hang this guy around the Tea Parties is going beyond the realm of believability.
Then again, we are talking about DUmbasses....
And we're talking about the State run media...who have taken the TEA party angle and run with it.
All of the usual suspects are equating one of their whackjob leftist brethren with the TEA Parties.
The cherry on top that I'm waiting for is Special Keith to announce the guy was racist too!
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Well they're already blaming the VRWC for the crash.
Oh, the disappointment they must be feeling right about now.
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Now CNN is reporting that the plane wasn't a Cherokee...it was a Cirrus SR-22
Ok...IMHO it just doesn't seem like either plane would carry enough fuel...even if they hit the building with the throttle wide open...to cause the damage I'm seeing with this building.
CNN got it wrong, it was definately a Piper Cherokee, either a 140, 160 or 180 (I haven't heard which yet).
Either way, 40 gallons of fuel doesn't seem like it would create the fire it did in that building. IMO, he either had something else on board or hit a gas main in the building or something.
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*SIGH*
OK I'll get out the chicken wire, newspaper, the av gas and the garbage can lid to see if I can recreate this low flat building burning.
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It's an IRS office, right? What will they have lots of? Lots of paper, lots of particle board and plastic office furniture. All flammable, no? Perhaps the carpeting as well?