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Current Events => Breaking News => Topic started by: debk on February 12, 2010, 05:01:27 PM
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HUNTSVILLE, Ala. — A woman opened fire during a biology faculty meeting at the University of Alabama's Huntsville campus Friday, killing three faculty members and injuring two other faculty members and a staff member.
The shooter was in custody, but university spokesman Ray Garner said he could not identify her or the victims. Local television stations reported she is a faculty member.
No students were hurt.
Huntsville Hospital spokesman Burr Ingram said two of the injured were in critical condition and the third was in stable condition.
Sophomore Erin Johnson told The Huntsville Times a biology faculty meeting was under way when she heard screams coming from the room.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,585682,00.html
Just came on Fox....
at least 3 dead. Hospitals have been told there are 10 victims coming into ER.
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this is on Fox's website....
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,585682,00.html
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Female staff member is what I heard.
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Female staff member is what I heard.
Ban females.
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Prayers to the families of the victims.
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If this doesn't leave you asking "What's her DU name?", nothing will.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_ala_university_shooting
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Ace has a bunch of links on the story here: http://minx.cc/?post=298251
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Looks a little like PD.
(http://media.al.com/huntsville-times/photo/-93b36a383a9e66de.jpg)
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BRAINTREE -- The University of Alabama biology professor accused of slaying three of her colleagues fatally shot her brother in Massachusetts more than two decades ago, a local police chief said today, while at the same time raising troubling questions about how the long-ago incident was handled.
The Boston Globe reported at the time that Amy Bishop had accidentally shot her 18-year-old brother, Seth M. Bishop, an accomplished violinist who had won a number of science awards, in Braintree.
Braintree Police Chief Paul Frazier confirmed today at a news conference that Amy Bishop had fatally shot her brother. But Frazier offered a different account of the shooting, saying Bishop had shot her brother during an argument and was being booked by police when the police chief at the time ordered the booking process stopped and Bishop released to her mother.
Frazier said he was basing his statements on the memories of one of his officers who was on the department at the time and had arrested Bishop. He said the records from the case have been missing since at least 1988.
"I don't want to use the word 'coverup' ... but this does not look good," he said. ...
http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2010/02/professor_accus.html?camp=localsearch:on:twit:hp
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"Curiouser and curiouser," said Alice.
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"Curiouser and curiouser," said Alice.
It does make you wonder who she was connected to.
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It does make you wonder who she was connected to.
Well the list is probably short and ugly but the top contenders would be the Kennedys or the Kerrys .
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Oh look ...
Former Braintree police chief John Polio is nearly 90 now. His response to the current chief’s statement was unequivocal: “There was no coverup.†Polio went on to say that the office of former DA William Delahunt looked into the case and decided not to file charges. Delahunt is now a congressman. He has yet to respond to Chief Frazier’s statements about a possible coverup.
http://mediaelites.com/?p=13006
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Well the list is probably short and ugly but the top contenders would be the Kennedys or the Kerrys .
Spot on, how about both via Delahunt?
April 06, 2009
Delahunt, Kennedy and Political Favors
In today's Providence Journal, investigative columnist Jeff Blanchard reports that Ted Kennedy's family has been granted the special privilege of steering the committee to choose the region's next U. S.attorney in Boston, a very powerful position.
High on the Kennedy list -- a Delahunt clan member.
JEFF BLANCHARD
BREWSTER
WHAT DO THESE four have in common?
Michael Mone (who represented Michael Kennedy when the 39-year-old son of RFK was accused of improper behavior with the family baby-sitter. Kennedy later died in a skiing accident).
Tracy Miner (who represented John Connolly when the former FBI agent was accused of working with the Whitey Bulger side of the Boston mob at the height of its murderous reign. Connolly is in prison).
Kathy Weinman (who is married to Cameron Kerry, political strategist for and brother of Sen. John Kerry, as well as President Obama’s pick to be general counsel to the Commerce Department).
Robert Toone (who was counsel for Sen. Edward M. Kennedy on the Senate Judiciary Committee before joining the Boston law firm of Foley Hoag as a specialist for the client Pfizer). ... Michael Mone litigated the success of Congressman William Delahunt in his cliff-hanging-chad primary-election victory over Philip Johnston in 1996. ...
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Holy ****!
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Socialist Professor Amy Bishop Who Killed 3 Profs Yesterday Shot & Killed Her Brother in 1986 …UPDATE: Dem Rep. Delahunt Made Call to Release Bishop in 1986!
Saturday, February 13, 2010, 4:30 PM
Jim Hoft
Amy Bishop shot and killed Gopi K. Podila, Maria Ragland Davis and Adriel Johnson, all professors in the Department of Biological Sciences at the University of Alabama’s Huntsville campus, yesterday after a meeting on tenure.
AL.com is now reporting that this socialist professor also shot and killed her 18 year-old brother during an argument in 1986.
A Massachusetts police chief is now saying that UAH shooting suspect Amy Bishop shot and killed her brother during an argument, and the case may have been mishandled by the police department more than two decades ago when the fatal shooting occurred.
The Boston Globe reported that Amy Bishop, a biology professor at UAH who is accused of shooting and killing three colleagues yesterday, accidentally shot her 18-year-old brother, Seth M. Bishop, in the abdomen with a 12-gauge shotgun in December 1986.
The report said Bishop was asking her mother, Judith, how to properly unload the gun when it when off and a shot struck Seth.
Braintree Police Chief Paul Frazier is now offering a different account of the shooting to The Globe: “Bishop had shot her brother during an argument and was being booked by police when the police chief at the time ordered the booking process stopped and Bishop released to her mother,†the paper reports on its Web site. Records from the case have been missing since 1987.
Bishop shot at her brother 3 times.
UPDATE: Police released Bishop in 1986 after they received a call from district attorner William Delahunt, now Rep. Delahunt.
The Boston Channel reported:
Braintree officers who remember the 1986 shooting said that former police Chief John Polio dismissed detectives from the case and ordered the department to release Amy Bishop after a telephone conversation with former district attorney William Delahunt.
Delahunt is currently a U.S. congressman from Massachusetts.
When contacted Saturday, Polio, now 86, said that there was no cover up in Seth Bishop’s death, though there were questions about whether the shooting was an accident.
Hat Tip Mrs. Davis
More… Bishop’s mother was in politics on the town Board of Personnel in 1986 at the time of the shooting.
Still More… It’s not the first time Rep. Delahunt has been linked to a murder.
http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2010/02/killer-socialist-professor-amy-bishop-shot-killed-her-brother-in-1986/
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The original police reports are here: http://www.necn.com/02/13/10/State-Police-investigative-report-86-Bis/landing.html?blockID=180126&feedID=4215
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How do you take 3 shots with a pump action by accident?
Mommy was downstairs and didn't hear nuttin cuz the house is soundproofed, even though Amy heard her brother enter the house from upstairs.
Why was she let go during booking? Mommy was a political figure locally, Delahunt was DA. Police Chief made the call.
She got away with murder. The records vanished about the time Delahunt ran for Congress.
Daddy owned a Yacht Club apparently.
The media is playing down a triple slaying on a College campus. They usually go ape nuts when a shooting happens at a college or school.
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Holy ****!
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UPDATE: Police released Bishop in 1986 after they received a call from district attorner William Delahunt, now Rep. Delahunt.
The Boston Channel reported:
When contacted Saturday, Polio, now 86, said that there was no cover up in Seth Bishop’s death, though there were questions about whether the shooting was an accident.
Hat Tip Mrs. Davis
More… Bishop’s mother was in politics on the town Board of Personnel in 1986 at the time of the shooting.
Still More… It’s not the first time Rep. Delahunt has been linked to a murder.
http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2010/02/killer-socialist-professor-amy-bishop-shot-killed-her-brother-in-1986/
I am afraid we are all getting so jaded about what is going on around us that it is seldom a surprise when the least people we would expect, go off.
There is so much to this story that we will never know, starting when Bishop was a child and her mental state when she shot her brother. It could have been an accident, then again a not planned killing just a spur of the moment insanity. She was very young, I wonder what she was doing lugging a long gun about her house.
Years and years went by and with all the mega education she had she still could not reach her goal in life Tenture.
After years of waiting she gets up one day to attend a hearing on if she is going to get her carear boost or not this year. I suspect she knew how the meeting would go, so she packs a gat in her bag and walks out to attend the meeting, armed.
This sounds like premeditation to me, not a knee jerk reaction to her brother as in the past.
One cannot fortell the future, if her family had help most likely it was done with the hope that a child with her brains could grow into a woman who would benefit society. I just don't know what I would have done had I been her mother, to loose a son and face loosing a daughter is heart wrenching.
My heart goes out to the victims, their family's and her students. They had no idea they spent every day with a monster wearing a people suit. One has only to look at how she was dressed when arrested, for perhaps the most important interview in her life, she dressed like a street person.
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The shootings on the university campus opened a window into the pressure-cooker world of biotechnology start-ups, where scientists often depend on their association with academia for a leg up. Bishop was part of a start-up that had won an early round of financing in a highly competitive environment, but people who knew her said she had learned shortly before the shooting that she had been denied tenure at the university. On Friday, Bishop presided over her regular anatomy and neurosciences class before going to an afternoon faculty meeting on the third floor of the Shelby Center for Science and Technology.
There she sat quietly for about 30 or 40 minutes, said one faculty member who had spoken to some of the dozen people who were in the room. Then Bishop pulled out a 9-mm handgun and began shooting, firing several rounds, said the police. At least one person in the room tried to stop Bishop and prevent further bloodshed, said Sgt. Mark Roberts of the Huntsville Police Department.
Bishop stopped shooting when the gun either jammed or ran out of ammunition, said the faculty member.
Mr. Garner said Bishop, who arrived in the 2003-2004 academic year, was first told last spring that she had been denied tenure. If a tenure-track professor is not granted tenure after six years, the university will no longer employ them, said Ray Garner, a spokesman for the university. This would have been the final semester of Bishop’s sixth year. The university does have an appeals process, and people who knew Bishop said she had appealed the decision.
http://beta.thehindu.com/news/international/article106554.ece
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Had the case where she killed her brother NOT been covered up, she wouldn't have been able to go out and buy a gun very easily.
BTW, Vesta, 19 years old does not a "child" make. I had been halfway around the world by the time I was 19 and been on my own for two years. Quit making excuses for a murderer!!! :hammer: :hammer: :hammer:
There is little doubt in MY mind that this was premeditated.
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There is little doubt in MY mind that this was premeditated.
You mean it's unusual for a professors in a faculty meeting to be carrying a gun?
Age 19? By that age I had been living away from home for over a year, 800 or 900 miles away, not just in the next tow. By that age my younger daughter had taken college classes for ~3 years, visited China for about a week (at age 15!) and had spent 2 months in Cambodia and Thailand.
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You mean it's unusual for a professors in a faculty meeting to be carrying a gun?
Age 19? By that age I had been living away from home for over a year, 800 or 900 miles away, not just in the next tow. By that age my younger daughter had taken college classes for ~3 years, visited China for about a week (at age 15!) and had spent 2 months in Cambodia and Thailand.
Yes Pete me too, but at my age today 19 seems so young, living at home with little experiences outside the class room or personal responcibility any kind is sad.
All those years ago had she gone to trial and imprisoned, by now she would be on the streets. Still no personal responsibility and the mind set she has all ways had. Insane but a genius or close to it.
This whole situation is a nightmare for everyone connected with it. Each time I hear of one of these high educated people going bonkers, my first thought is for the victims family's then for the family of the monster wearing a people suit.
The family's and students of the school that she has shattered will never recover. A true monster that no one ever expected to be so. How can a family ever explain to society, friends, the courts, themselves for the guilt of not seeing the signs of what could come.?
This is a true tragedy, for every one who has ever crossed her path.
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An Alabama professor accused of shooting six colleagues was a suspect in the attempted mail bombing of a Harvard Medical School professor in December of 1993, the Boston Globe reported.
Amy Bishop and her husband James Anderson were questioned by authorities after a package with two bombs were sent to Dr. Paul Rosenberg, the newspaper reported.
Several months after a federal investigation into the Harvard medical professor's attempted bombing a prime suspect was identified, but never named.
An unnamed law enforcement official told the Globe Sunday the suspect was Bishop, and her husband.
At the time, Bishop was a Harvard doctoral student working at the same hospital as Rosenberg.
The official told the Globe Bishop was suspected because she was allegedly concerned she was going to be given a bad evaluation from the professor on her doctorate work.
Her house was searched and she and her husband were questioned, but the U.S. attorney's office in Boston never brought charges against the couple, the Globe reported.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,585854,00.html?test=latestnews
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oh boy.
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I wonder if anyone has looked into her family's political connections.
AM, the first function of government wrt criminals is to protect society. If she leaves prison the same idiot she was when she entered (or a worse idiot), that's her responsibility. Government cannot "rehabilitate" prisoners because they aren't will-less machines.
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I wonder if anyone has looked into her family's political connections.
She was a university professor who had attended Hawvawd. I think it's safe to say that she was an 0Bama supporter.
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I wonder if anyone has looked into her family's political connections.
AM, the first function of government wrt criminals is to protect society. If she leaves prison the same idiot she was when she entered (or a worse idiot), that's her responsibility. Government cannot "rehabilitate" prisoners because they aren't will-less machines.
Pete, I think you're replying to vesta. But I agree with you.
Let's say they gave her the benefit of doubt the first time(brother's killing). The 2nd incident (bomb)was clearly a " uh oh, we screwed up' moment for someone.
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Interestingly enough, the only concern at the DUmp is about Delahunt losing his seat.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7711100
Then there was this thread.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4269194
sce56 (1000+ posts) Sun Feb-14-10 08:48 PM
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27. Well she is not politicaly connected like a certain family I know!
Except in the death of her brother her mother was a member of the police department's personnel board,.
In the case of the Bush family they have all kinds of victims in their path never seriously looked at!
One case in point is detailed here
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
Try googling her name and she never existed!
Can those idiots point to any factual evidence relating the BFEE to crimes?
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I imagine we had all guessed this:
...A family source said Bishop, a mother of four children - the youngest a third-grade boy - was a far-left political extremist who was “obsessed†with President Obama to the point of being off-putting....
http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view/20100215oddball_protrait_emerges_suspects_family_pals_offer_clues/srvc=home&position=0
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A former auto-body worker claims Amy Bishop put a gun to his chest and demanded a getaway car just minutes after she shot her brother to death 24 years ago in a controversial case that is now being reviewed.
“I’m thinking it’s a BB gun. I open the door and she’s right there and we basically bumped into each other and I got a shotgun right in my chest!â€
“And she’s like, ‘Hands up!’ and I’m like, ‘Yes ma’am’ â€
Pettigrew said police questioned him after the incident but he never heard from them again.
http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view/20100215quincy_man_recalls_bishop_holdup/
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I imagine we had all guessed this: http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view/20100215oddball_protrait_emerges_suspects_family_pals_offer_clues/srvc=home&position=0
“She was an oddball - just not very sociable,†said Sylvia Fluckiger, a former lab technician who worked with Bishop in 1993.
Seriously, is the DUmp missing a member?
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Seriously, is the DUmp missing a member?
They are now.
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AND an attempted bombing--this psycho should have been put down like a rabid dog years ago, apparently.
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AND an attempted bombing--this psycho should have been put down like a rabid dog years ago, apparently.
I feel sorry for her children. :(
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CNN is finally getting around to reporting on this. I wonder what the hell they've been doing all weeked. :whatever:
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I think it's safe to say that she was an 0Bama supporter.
Actually, I was thinking of her family's political connections in the mid-80s and mid-90s.
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She was a university professor who had attended Hawvawd. I think it's safe to say that she was an 0Bama supporter.
No question about it - she was obsessed with Obama from what some of her family members are saying. A professor and crazy as a loon.
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Doesn't earning the title of 'professor' require tenure? Seems to me she was a glorified instructor/adjunct with an inflated opinion of herself.
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Doesn't earning the title of 'professor' require tenure? Seems to me she was a glorified instructor/adjunct with an inflated opinion of herself.
Non-academics screw that kind of thing up all the time.
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PhD usually makes one a professor.
Tenure is granted based upon time at a particular university and performance. Some universities also require professors to be "published"....books, studies, etc....before granting tenure.
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Amy Bishop Killed Minorities: Leftists Silent on 'Racist' Rampage; Victims' Families Ask, 'Why Was She Still Teaching?'
I just noticed something about the Amy Bishop case: Her victims were minorities. From left to right at the photo: Dr. Adriel Johnson Sr., Dr. Gopi Podila, and Dr. Maria Davis. The image is from CBS News, ...
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_mBjmC1wuJJU/S3miTz3nO-I/AAAAAAAAARY/qa3T0CT5I60/s1600/image6209855x.jpg)
http://americanpowerblog.blogspot.com/2010/02/amy-bishop-killed-minorities-leftists.html
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(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_mBjmC1wuJJU/S3miTz3nO-I/AAAAAAAAARY/qa3T0CT5I60/s1600/image6209855x.jpg)
http://americanpowerblog.blogspot.com/2010/02/amy-bishop-killed-minorities-leftists.html
She done shot the wrong ones now.....
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This came to my attention.
A family source said Bishop, a mother of four children - the youngest a third-grade boy - was a far-left political extremist who was “obsessed†with President Obama to the point of being off-putting.
http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view/20100215oddball_protrait_emerges_suspects_family_pals_offer_clues/srvc=home&position=0
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She done shot the wrong ones now.....
Why do liberals hate minorities?
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I don't mean to make light of the topic, but see what happens when Libtards don't get their ponies??
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http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view.bg?&articleid=1232943&format=&page=1&listingType=Loc#articleFull
(http://multimedia.heraldinteractive.com/images/20100215/2126b5_ltpUAH0211510.jpg)
As authorities searched for clues into what could have sent a University of Alabama neurobiology professor on an alleged killing spree, friends and family yesterday described Braintree native Amy Bishop as an awkward introvert on the brink of losing her teaching job.
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“She was an oddball - just not very sociable,†said Sylvia Fluckiger, a former lab technician who worked with Bishop in 1993.
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A family source said Bishop, a mother of four children - the youngest a third-grade boy - was a far-left political extremist who was “obsessed†with President Obama to the point of being off-putting.
Yeah, yeah. It could have been anybody but do you think the DUmp would let that go?
KC
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Are there any DUmmies that have stopped posting very recently? ...
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If Bishop had been a conservative and a vocal Palin supporter, this would be headline news all over the country.
Just sayin'.
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PhD usually makes one a professor.
Tenure is granted based upon time at a particular university and performance. Some universities also require professors to be "published"....books, studies, etc....before granting tenure.
Not necessarily true......a "professorship" is granted by the Department Chair of an institution based on criteria that is unique to each institution/department. There are a number of types of professorships, and although a PhD, MD, or JD are generally required, there are many granted the title that have none of the mentioned degrees, and I know of several that have no degree at all. Unlike the public school system, there are (generally) no statutory academic requirements for instructors at institutions of "higher learning", unless the requirements are established by the institution itself.
A "professorship" further does not always mean that the individual is a full-time employee of the institution.......my daughter-in-law has just been named "Professor" at Cornell University Law School, and although she does teach courses there, she is a full time employee of a law firm several hundred miles away.
Your analysis of tenure is generally correct, depending on discipline........however, tenure can be granted without any of your stated criteria, if the individual has accomplished outstanding performance in areas outside of academia, and hired on that basis.
doc
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If Bishop had been a conservative and a vocal Palin supporter, this would be headline news all over the country.
Just sayin'.
:exactly:
The amount of time that it would take for that to get out would be measured in microseconds.
I've already pointed this out to the office Obot. He said that it doesn't matter what her political ideology was. ::)
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Funny note -- I did some work at Vanderbilt U. a couple years ago. I found out that some of their "departments" were nothing more than an adjoining set of offices. There was some minor department that shared a 3-room suite in a dormitory building that had been converted into an oddly-shaped office with a conference room where the sleeping area would have been.
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:exactly:
The amount of time that it would take for that to get out would be measured in microseconds.
I've already pointed this out to the office Obot. He said that it doesn't matter what her political ideology was. ::)
in reality, it doesn't. Of course, they miss the point.
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Not necessarily true......a "professorship" is granted by the Department Chair of an institution based on criteria that is unique to each institution/department. There are a number of types of professorships, and although a PhD, MD, or JD are generally required, there are many granted the title that have none of the mentioned degrees, and I know of several that have no degree at all. Unlike the public school system, there are (generally) no statutory academic requirements for instructors at institutions of "higher learning", unless the requirements are established by the institution itself.
A "professorship" further does not always mean that the individual is a full-time employee of the institution.......my daughter-in-law has just been named "Professor" at Cornell University Law School, and although she does teach courses there, she is a full time employee of a law firm several hundred miles away.
Your analysis of tenure is generally correct, depending on discipline........however, tenure can be granted without any of your stated criteria, if the individual has accomplished outstanding performance in areas outside of academia, and hired on that basis.
doc
those who don't have tenure are usually listed as assoc. Professors.
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:exactly:
The amount of time that it would take for that to get out would be measured in microseconds.
I've already pointed this out to the office Obot. He said that it doesn't matter what her political ideology was. ::)
Remember the noise the media made about the census employee that killed himself before they realized it was a suicide? I rest my case.
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those who don't have tenure are usually listed as assoc. Professors.
Or "adjunct" professors....
doc
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Funny note -- I did some work at Vanderbilt U. a couple years ago. I found out that some of their "departments" were nothing more than an adjoining set of offices. There was some minor department that shared a 3-room suite in a dormitory building that had been converted into an oddly-shaped office with a conference room where the sleeping area would have been.
Usually the "Modern Cultural Anthropology" (better known as the underwater basketweaving) Department........they never have a budget.......and their majors can't get jobs.....
doc
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What we are seeing with incidents like this...and with Mitt Romney being assaulted...is the result of then candidate-Obama's call to his Liberal brethren to "get in the faces" of people.
The left is unstable as it is...he call for physical confrontation will push some over the edge.
And the State-run media will completely swallow their tongues when it comes to reporting and reminding people of Obama's call for confrontation.
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Doc,
While I'm in no way arguing your point about the whole professor/tenure thing, isn't it true in most cases (i.e., in most learning institutions) that:
First, having a doctorate is almost a requirement anymore? That it's exceptionally difficult to get hired into a college or university unless the candidate has a doctorate?
Second, that -- for the reason stated above -- tenure is awarded not as a result of the applicant having a doctorate, but as the result of having well-represented the ideals of the department in which the applicant works, AND that of the learning institution itself?
Of course, there are exceptions to every rule. And I don't mean to suggest that there is a hard and fast policy about university professors - regardless what level, whether full, assistant, or associate - having to have a doctorate. But I'd submit that there has been a tendency toward most institutions of higher learning favoring/hiring those candidates with the doctorate-level degree, all things being equal. (We all know that the hiring process can be unpredictable and very often it's not what you know, but who you know.)
There's a guy I know who teaches trumpet at Central Methodist University in Fayette, MO, who just applied for tenure. He told me over the weekend that it's very much like a job application -- he had to outline his qualifications and his accomplishments since he began teaching there some 6 years ago. (He has a DMA - Doctor of Musical Arts - (some people say "DMA" stands for "Didn't Make the Audition" :lmao: ) and he'll find out toward the end of April.) I think he'll get it because he's been effective and non-controversial.
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ABC News has learned that investigators will re-open the 1986 shooting death of professor Amy Bishop's brother. Declared accidental at the time, investigators say they were never comfortable with the ruling.
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/alabama-university-shooting-suspect-amy-bishop-violent-past/story?id=9839348
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Doc,
While I'm in no way arguing your point about the whole professor/tenure thing, isn't it true in most cases (i.e., in most learning institutions) that:
1) First, having a doctorate is almost a requirement anymore? That it's exceptionally difficult to get hired into a college or university unless the candidate has a doctorate?
2) Second, that -- for the reason stated above -- tenure is awarded not as a result of the applicant having a doctorate, but as the result of having well-represented the ideals of the department in which the applicant works, AND that of the learning institution itself?
3) Of course, there are exceptions to every rule. And I don't mean to suggest that there is a hard and fast policy about university professors - regardless what level, whether full, assistant, or associate - having to have a doctorate. But I'd submit that there has been a tendency toward most institutions of higher learning favoring/hiring those candidates with the doctorate-level degree, all things being equal. (We all know that the hiring process can be unpredictable and very often it's not what you know, but who you know.)
There's a guy I know who teaches trumpet at Central Methodist University in Fayette, MO, who just applied for tenure. He told me over the weekend that it's very much like a job application -- he had to outline his qualifications and his accomplishments since he began teaching there some 6 years ago. (He has a DMA - Doctor of Musical Arts - (some people say "DMA" stands for "Didn't Make the Audition" :lmao: ) and he'll find out toward the end of April.) I think he'll get it because he's been effective and non-controversial.
1) No. I have a MS in history and could teach at College level. In fact I have taught some days as a guest.
2) Yup. There are wickets to jump through to gain tenure.
3) Part of the entire process is to continue to worl on your own education...at least at the place I was at.
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I have a friend that taught some undergraduate courses. He said the state minimum was that you had to be degree'd at least one level higher than what you were teaching. He was teaching 300- and 400- level courses in information systems/computer science with a BS in chemistry and a professional certification as a network administrator (CCNP). He currently works as a security consultant in Baltimore.
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While I'm in no way arguing your point about the whole professor/tenure thing, isn't it true in most cases (i.e., in most learning institutions) that:
First, having a doctorate is almost a requirement anymore? That it's exceptionally difficult to get hired into a college or university unless the candidate has a doctorate?
Generally yes in today's environment.....the exception being Business Schools, who regularly fill their teaching staffs with retired successful business people, and entrepreneurs that may or may not be degreed, but have an extremely unique track records.
First, having a doctorate is almost a requirement anymore? That it's exceptionally difficult to get hired into a college or university unless the candidate has a doctorate?
Of course, there are exceptions to every rule. And I don't mean to suggest that there is a hard and fast policy about university professors - regardless what level, whether full, assistant, or associate - having to have a doctorate. But I'd submit that there has been a tendency toward most institutions of higher learning favoring/hiring those candidates with the doctorate-level degree, all things being equal. (We all know that the hiring process can be unpredictable and very often it's not what you know, but who you know.)
Generally, but not always......in some discliplines candidates with doctorates are very scarce, and an institution will sometimes hire a talented professor, and tenure-track him/her with a MA or MS, with the understanding that the doctorate will be completed prior to being granted tenure.
Of course, there are exceptions to every rule. And I don't mean to suggest that there is a hard and fast policy about university professors - regardless what level, whether full, assistant, or associate - having to have a doctorate. But I'd submit that there has been a tendency toward most institutions of higher learning favoring/hiring those candidates with the doctorate-level degree, all things being equal. (We all know that the hiring process can be unpredictable and very often it's not what you know, but who you know.)
True......politics in academia is brutal......
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1) No. I have a MS in history and could teach at College level. In fact I have taught some days as a guest.
2) Yup. There are wickets to jump through to gain tenure.
3) Part of the entire process is to continue to worl on your own education...at least at the place I was at.
1. Okay, but were you teaching as an adjunct prof? Adjunct instructor? I'd say that hiring an adjunct (meaning that the person is paid for their work, but is not a full-time employee with all the perks and bennies therefrom) has different hiring characteristics than hiring a person full time.
3. What happens when you've got your doctorate already? They expect you to rack up more degrees, even with a doctorate? I can see the business about getting published and becoming "known" in your field (all the better to attract potential students), but I can't see the institution pushing somebody to go beyond a doctorate by cluttering up their "I Love Me" wall with more shingles.
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1. Okay, but were you teaching as an adjunct prof? Adjunct instructor? I'd say that hiring an adjunct (meaning that the person is paid for their work, but is not a full-time employee with all the perks and bennies therefrom) has different hiring characteristics than hiring a person full time. Yes. and yes.
3. What happens when you've got your doctorate already? They expect you to rack up more degrees, even with a doctorate? I can see the business about getting published and becoming "known" in your field (all the better to attract potential students), but I can't see the institution pushing somebody to go beyond a doctorate by cluttering up their "I Love Me" wall with more shingles. No. But you continue to work on your education. There is always something to work on- even at the elementary level you have to take updates to your specialty...or at least you used to.
Now- I haven't taught in a few years but in 18 months I'll be retired from the military and getting back into teaching full time. I'll have to go back and update my certificate at a minimum, and prob'ly end up taking a semester full of new requirements to fullfill the State's guidelines. OR- I can sub with doing nothing.
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What happens when you've got your doctorate already? They expect you to rack up more degrees, even with a doctorate? I can see the business about getting published and becoming "known" in your field (all the better to attract potential students), but I can't see the institution pushing somebody to go beyond a doctorate by cluttering up their "I Love Me" wall with more shingles.
Generally no......however, most universities expect tenured professors to continue to distinguish themselves through publication, peer seminar leadership, or in disciplines like archeology, medicine, etc. participation in research. Research probably being the most common, as it brings cash into the institution.
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In March, 2002, Bishop walked into an International House of Pancakes in Peabody with her family, asked for a booster seat for one of her children, and learned the last seat had gone to another mother.
Bishop, according to a police report, strode over to the other woman, demanded the seat and launched into a profanity-laced rant.
When the woman would not give the seat up, Bishop punched her in the head, all the while yelling "I am Dr. Amy Bishop." ...
http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2010/02/amy_bishop_was.html
And just to prove her leftist credentials ...
Bishop once stopped a local ice cream truck from coming into their neighborhood. According to WBZ-1030 radio, she said it because her own kids were lactose intolerant, and she didn't think it was fair that her kids couldn't have ice cream.
http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2010/02/ipswich_neighbo.html
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Generally no......however, most universities expect tenured professors to continue to distinguish themselves through publication, peer seminar leadership, or in disciplines like archeology, medicine, etc. participation in research. Research probably being the most common, as it brings cash into the institution.
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How does one explain the tenured professors that are just plain nuts.?
Seems to me that personality plays a huge role in this question. People keep throwing out that this woman was not social, quiet and introverted.
So WHAT, she would not play the game of politics, did not try to impress anyone and was not a social game player.
She did not glad hand anyone, kept to herself, was in fact living with some kind of mental illness that caused her to run about killing family and coworkers. :censored:
Now the really dangerous teachers are nothing like her, these are the charismatic people that twist and masticate a students mind. Welcome to a world of experimention into life, drugs, sex ,and rock and roll. These are the teachers that are in their 50's that still dress as they did in 1970.
These teachers need to keep a waiting list for their classes, so they bring their poor old body's to select party's, smoke dope and act as a contemporary to their students. Freshmen 18+ years will love this, Lots of rumors about this teacher that they are either a Stud or a Lesbian. Hey Man, got to sign up for this class the teacher is wild.
Believe me I come from a family of teachers and when I cannot tell the teacher from the students-------I smell 3 day old fish.
Teaching is a profession that is not taken seriously. The clothing and attitude of some teachers is as professional as a wolf in sheep's clothing.
I have to admit I do come from Pam Smarts next town.
Take a trip to your kids school at any level. The Principal and office staff will be dressed as professionals.
Now look at the teachers under the age of 50, what are they wearing, tank tops, flip flops, mini skirts and or low cut blouses. Some where in teaching school the teachers were not taught they were professional and to teach needed the students to know that this is serious. They try to relate to their students by their personality, much is left out of the subject matter so the teacher can take the time to give the class a big laugh or what not off the subject.
Darn anyone who has worked for a burger joint knows they have to wear a uniform of some sort. Should not teachers dress at least as well as a wallmart greeter.?
Sorry for the rant----it is ended for now.
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Sounds like the Braintree PD should have kept the booking process going. Poor Rep. Delahunt--how will he answer the tough questions NOW?
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Sounds like the Braintree PD should have kept the booking process going. Poor Rep. Delahunt--how will he answer the tough questions NOW?
:lmao:
Who's going to ask?
The media?
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Well, well...it turns out that she's a
LIHOPer MIHOPer IHOPer: (http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2010/02/amy_bishop_was.html)
Amy Bishop was charged with assault in 2002 IHOP dispute
In March, 2002, Bishop walked into an International House of Pancakes in Peabody with her family, asked for a booster seat for one of her children, and learned the last seat had gone to another mother.
Bishop, according to a police report, strode over to the other woman, demanded the seat and launched into a profanity-laced rant.
When the woman would not give the seat up, Bishop punched her in the head, all the while yelling "I am Dr. Amy Bishop."
Bishop received probation and prosecutors recommended that she be sent to anger management classes, though it is unclear from court documents whether a judge ever sent her there.
The woman, identified in court documents as Michelle Gjika, declined to comment, saying only "It's not something I want to relive."
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ABC News has learned that investigators will re-open the 1986 shooting death of professor Amy Bishop's brother. Declared accidental at the time, investigators say they were never comfortable with the ruling.
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/alabama-university-shooting-suspect-amy-bishop-violent-past/story?id=9839348
If I didn't know any better, and I don't, I would say that this is a prior claim attempt to get her back in MA. to keep her from getting the needle in AL.
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If I didn't know any better, and I don't, I would say that this is a prior claim attempt to get her back in MA. to keep her from getting the needle in AL.
I think they're gonna have to get in line. Possession is 9/10ths of the law and Bishop is in AL custody.
I can't imagine releasing her under extradition until the killings in Huntsville have been prosecuted and decided.
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By Maria Cramer
Amy Bishop could have been charged with three serious crimes after she shot her younger brother to death in 1986, instead of being allowed to walk away without a mark on her criminal record, Norfolk District Attorney William R. Keating said yesterday as he released Braintree police records missing for more than 20 years.
Keating said that he reviewed police reports and other documents in a case file recovered Monday from a retired Braintree police captain and concluded that prosecutors had probable cause to charge Bishop with assault with a dangerous weapon, carrying a dangerous weapon, and unlawful possession of ammunition, all in her attempt after the shooting to obtain a getaway car at gunpoint from a local auto body shop.
The reports do not contradict determinations by police and prosecutors at the time that the shooting was accidental, a finding based on the accounts of the sole eyewitness, Amy and Seth Bishop’s mother, provided to State Police 11 days after the events, Keating said.
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That charges were never brought raises questions again about what happened to Braintree police reports that say Bishop went to an autobody shop after the shooting, brandishing the shotgun and demanding a car to escape in. Former Braintree Police Chief John Polio and former first assistant Norfolk district attorney John Kivlan said they never saw those reports.
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Attempts to reach US Representative William D. Delahunt, who was Norfolk district attorney at the time, were unsuccessful yesterday.
http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2010/02/17/bishop_could_have_been_tried_da_says/
Could democrat corruption and backscratching possibly be the reason this lefty psycho was allowed to remain in society?
:whatever:
Delahunt should be sharing a jail cell with this nutjob.
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I think they're gonna have to get in line. Possession is 9/10ths of the law and Bishop is in AL custody.
I can't imagine releasing her under extradition until the killings in Huntsville have been prosecuted and decided.
I agree, but it's not unheard off. I do remember several years ago, two people from Mi. went on a killing spree in Mi. and Oh. They got caught in Oh. and received the death penalty. Mi. wanted to try them as well after the verdict in OH. Ohio refused. They wanted to put them to death and were afraid that Mi. would sentence them to life, not returning them to OH. after the trial.
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Read Dr. Sanity blog on narcissism. Bishop the counterpoint narcissist to the Obama type malignent narcissism. Both VERY VERY dangerous in different ways.....
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I think they're gonna have to get in line. Possession is 9/10ths of the law and Bishop is in AL custody.
I can't imagine releasing her under extradition until the killings in Huntsville have been prosecuted and decided.
Not to mention that any judge worth his salt in an extradition hearing would tell the MA government......."f**k off, you had your chance, and you blew it.......when we get done with her, we'll be happy to ship the remains to you for burial.......you get to pay the freight".
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Legal type people:
Isn't there a crime called, Accessory After the Fact, or something like it?
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Guess what recently notorious professor is listed on Rate My Professor?
http://www.ratemyprofessors.com/ShowRatings.jsp?tid=392617
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I am in her lab and her class. She is smart, talks about more stuff than just the book. She lets me sit in her office and study. She always dresses nice. She should stop trying to straighten her hair and go natural!
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Dr. Bishop is brilliant. Her research is fascinating. She will surely get the Nobel Prize. She is the best teacher I have ever had.
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Three shotgun blasts is no accident to me.
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Three shotgun blasts is no accident to me.
No shit! You'd think after the first one you would know the damn thing is dangerous! What, the guy jumped in front of a loaded shotgun? Gimme a frikkin' break!
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Yet another surprising twist in the story of Amy Bishop, the Alabama university professor who allegedly opened fire on campus, killing three of her colleagues.
Bishop is the second cousin of John Irving, a publicist for the author confirmed today.
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http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2010/02/17/crimesider/entry6217494.shtml
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Legal type people:
Isn't there a crime called, Accessory After the Fact, or something like it?
Prosecutors and judges have immunity for official decisions they make. Amy's mother was probably an accessory after the fact though.
The 'Accidental shooting' might have a bare chance of being slightly plausible if the gun had been an autoloader, my understanding is that it was a pump though. Notwithstanding the so-called witness statements, there was an abundance of circumstantial evidence on which to base a prosecution for at least manslaughter at the time. Not just the three shots, with #2 and #3 requiring an intentional working of the action, but also her willingness to threaten a stranger with a gun in order to make an escape - very hard to explain that as a 'Frightened teen just trying to run away.'
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Amy Bishop, charged with opening fire Friday at the University of Alabama in Huntsville, had an unpublished manuscript for a book titled "Amazon Fever," obtained by the Boston Globe, that focuses on a female scientist, Olivia, who struggles with depression and fears losing tenure.
Her book refers to the University of Alabama as the MIT of the South, and one character, James Anderson — also the name of Bishop's husband — is a genetic sequencer at the university, the Globe reported.
Bishop book also slams Harvard, where she once was a student. And it includes a dream sequence in which Olivia sees her herself as a tenured professor surrounded by family.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,586505,00.html?test=latestnews
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It includes a dream sequence in which Olivia sees her herself as a tenured professor surrounded by family.
:rofl: Is the name of the town Pottersville?
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,586505,00.html?test=latestnews
She is the cousin of John Irving the novelist, so no wonder she thought she could turn her hand to fiction.
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Seems like she was having a bit of trouble with the ending. Perhaps she will try to explain her rampage as field research for a rewrite of the novel.
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Yeah, reported to be a pump shotgun. That says intentional act, murder 2 in NY. THE QUESTION IS HOW DID IT BECOME AN "ACCIDENT"?
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Yeah, reported to be a pump shotgun. That says intentional act, murder 2 in NY. THE QUESTION IS HOW DID IT BECOME AN "ACCIDENT"?
Delahunt. Who is currently hiding in the mideast.
Delahunt: I'm not really in a position to see any records
E-mail|Link|Comments (8)Posted by Stephanie Vallejo February 17, 2010 05:05 PM
As questions swirl around his role as Norfolk district attorney in the handling of Amy Bishop's shooting case in 1986, US Representative William Delahunt is half a world away, on a fact-finding tour that's finding controversy in the Middle East.
Delahunt, Democrat of Quincy, told an Associated Press reporter in Tel Aviv he has limited memory of the shooting death of Seth Bishop by his sister, Amy, a case that Braintree Police called accidental and that the Norfolk District Attorney's Office declined to prosecute. Delahunt said his first assistant, John Kivlan, was in charge of the case.
http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2010/02/delahunt_im_not.html
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Delahunt. Who is currently hiding in the mideast.
http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2010/02/delahunt_im_not.html
Sounds like Rep Delahunt just voted "present"...
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Let's hopwe he runs for re election and the voters pitch him out on his ass. No way pumping three rounds thru a pump action shotgeun was an "accident", it was murder plain and simple.
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Let's hopwe he runs for re election and the voters pitch him out on his ass. No way pumping three rounds thru a pump action shotgeun was an "accident", it was murder plain and simple.
Don't see how it could be anything else! Looks like Momma had some good friends in high places.
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Let's hopwe he runs for re election and the voters pitch him out on his ass. No way pumping three rounds thru a pump action shotgeun was an "accident", it was murder plain and simple.
I heard that he is retiring.
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Let's hopwe he runs for re election and the voters pitch him out on his ass. No way pumping three rounds thru a pump action shotgeun was an "accident", it was murder plain and simple.
Nope--he announced his retirement last week.
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Lawyer claims she's insane and doesn't remember doing it. Bullshit.
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AP, so I'll just link.
Bullshit (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100219/ap_on_re_us/us_ala_university_shooting)
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Lawyer claims she's insane and doesn't remember doing it. Bullshit.
:bs2flag:
AP, so I'll just link.
Bullshit (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100219/ap_on_re_us/us_ala_university_shooting)
The fact that her three victims are people of color isn't getting much play in the media. I can't imagine why not. :uhsure:
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Lawyer claims she's insane and doesn't remember doing it. Bullshit.
:bs2flag:
AP, so I'll just link.
Bullshit (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100219/ap_on_re_us/us_ala_university_shooting)
She is trying hard for that insanity defence.
"She said, 'Do I still have a job out there?' She asked me that yesterday," Miller said. "She said, 'Do you know if I have a job? I assume they fired me. Did they fire me?'"
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Her lawyer is a friggin moron. The only thing he SHOULD be saying is, "No comment." First it's the "she doesn't remember" bit, now the "she regrets it" shtick. Okay, asshat, which one is it?
And BTW--The "cuckoo for Cocoa-Puffs" defense works about 5 percent of the time. Not real good odds for your client avoiding the needle.
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Her lawyer is a friggin moron. The only thing he SHOULD be saying is, "No comment." First it's the "she doesn't remember" bit, now the "she regrets it" shtick. Okay, asshat, which one is it?
And BTW--The "cuckoo for Cocoa-Puffs" defense works about 5 percent of the time. Not real good odds for your client avoiding the needle.
Even less in the south.
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Not long after Amy Bishop was identified as the professor who had been arrested in the shooting of six faculty members at the University of Alabama in Huntsville on Feb. 12, the campus police received a series of reports even stranger than the shooting itself.
Several people with connections to the university’s biology department warned that Dr. Bishop, a neuroscientist with a Harvard Ph.D., might have booby-trapped the science building with some sort of “herpes bomb,†police officials said, designed to spread the dangerous virus. ...
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/21/us/21bishop.html?th=&emc=th&pagewanted=all
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Why are we not hearing more about her support of Obama............... :evillaugh:
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Why are we not hearing more about her support of Obama............... :evillaugh:
I heard the New York Slimes is avoiding her politics like the plague.
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Documents Reveal Ala. Professor's Husband Wanted Violent Revenge on Doctor
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,587234,00.html
If I were the police I'd be tempted to start digging up the yards at their previous addresses.
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News News! Her hubby is now known to be a suspected mail bomber!!!
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News News! Her hubby is now known to be a suspected mail bomber!!!
Linky????? You're 'sposed to know better, heh, heh!