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Current Events => Terrorism In the US and Around the World => Topic started by: thundley4 on February 11, 2010, 06:01:05 PM
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Five-dollar registration fee for persons planning to overthrow US government
Terrorists who want to overthrow the United States government must now register with South Carolina's Secretary of State and declare their intentions -- or face a $25,000 fine and up to 10 years in prison.
The state's "Subversive Activities Registration Act," passed last year and now officially on the books, states that "every member of a subversive organization, or an organization subject to foreign control, every foreign agent and every person who advocates, teaches, advises or practices the duty, necessity or propriety of controlling, conducting, seizing or overthrowing the government of the United States ... shall register with the Secretary of State."
There's even a $5 filing fee.
By "subversive organization," the law means "every corporation, society, association, camp, group, bund, political party, assembly, body or organization, composed of two or more persons, which directly or indirectly advocates, advises, teaches or practices the duty, necessity or propriety of controlling, conducting, seizing or overthrowing the government of the United States [or] of this State."
The Raw Story (http://rawstory.com/2010/02/south-carolinas-subversive-activities-registration-act-force/)
I think this is a lefty site, but Boortz linked to it.
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Raw Story is DU's favorite site.
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Well, I live in SC and if all it costs to advocate throwing O-B-Won and his cronies out on their ass is $5.....It's money well spent....here's my $5.
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I think it would be unconstitutional, due to "free association and other things.
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The law was passed back in the 1950's prior to the Communist Party being outlawed.
In fact, that law wasn't aimed at terrorists at all. It was created in 1951 and aimed at communists. The tip-off to this is the language "overthrowing the government of the United States...by force or violence." which is what was in the Communist Party platform before the government started putting people in jail for that kind of thing and they changed it. (Another likely tip-off should have been the $5 fee for registration. When was the last time you paid a government fee that was less than $45?)
But whatever. FITSNews chuckles at those silly South Carolinians with old legacy laws on the books and life goes on.
Unless you're an idiot named Daniel Tencer writing over at Lefty website The Raw Story and nutbar conspiracy theorist website Prison Planet who...shall we say, embellished a little bit:
Terrorists who want to overthrow the United States government must now register with South Carolina's Secretary of State and declare their intentions -- or face a $25,000 fine and up to 10 years in prison.
The state's "Subversive Activities Registration Act," passed last year and now officially on the books, states...
From there it went to Huffington Post and DKos and that's when it went viral. Now idiot Leftists all over the web are chortling about it and claiming it was recently passed by the "scared" South Carolina legislature. One tard then sent it to me, calling it South Carolina's "terrorist registration law."
http://ace.mu.nu/archives/298135.php
Raw Story is hyperventilating again. Don't forget this Will Pitt's outfit where they swore Rove would be indicted in 24 business hours.
And, yes, infowars.com loves them some Tencer. Just go to the site and search for his name.
I think it would be unconstitutional, due to "free association and other things.
Nope.
Violent overthrow of a duly elected government is not a constitutionally protected right. No court has ever recognized it.
Sorry to Boortz for being mislead but nothing extraordinary here.
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The law was passed back in the 1950's prior to the Communist Party being outlawed.
From there it went to Huffington Post and DKos and that's when it went viral. Now idiot Leftists all over the web are chortling about it and claiming it was recently passed by the "scared" South Carolina legislature. One tard then sent it to me, calling it South Carolina's "terrorist registration law."
http://ace.mu.nu/archives/298135.php
Raw Story is hyperventilating again. Don't forget this Will Pitt's outfit where they swore Rove would be indicted in 24 business hours.
And, yes, infowars.com loves them some Tencer. Just go to the site and search for his name.
Nope.
Violent overthrow of a duly elected government is not a constitutionally protected right. No court has ever recognized it.
Sorry to Boortz for being mislead but nothing extraordinary here.
That makes sense. Raw Story was trying to drum up some anti-southerner resentment, probably.
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The law was passed back in the 1950's prior to the Communist Party being outlawed.
From there it went to Huffington Post and DKos and that's when it went viral. Now idiot Leftists all over the web are chortling about it and claiming it was recently passed by the "scared" South Carolina legislature. One tard then sent it to me, calling it South Carolina's "terrorist registration law."
http://ace.mu.nu/archives/298135.php
Raw Story is hyperventilating again. Don't forget this Will Pitt's outfit where they swore Rove would be indicted in 24 business hours.
And, yes, infowars.com loves them some Tencer. Just go to the site and search for his name.
Nope.
Violent overthrow of a duly elected government is not a constitutionally protected right. No court has ever recognized it.
Sorry to Boortz for being mislead but nothing extraordinary here.
Actually little Billy Pitt was truthout not rawstory although if you add up the credibility of both sites you still get a negative number.
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I mentioned this before. I didn't post it? Oh well.
I thought it was hilarious.... $5... hahaha
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Brings to mind when Lucile Ball and Dezi Arnez were called before the hearings on Communists in the 50's. Lucy had as a favor signed a pledge for her granfather to join the communist party.
In defence of his wife, he stated that the only thing red about his wife that was red was her hair, and that she got from a bottle.
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Violent overthrow of a duly elected government is not a constitutionally protected right. No court has ever recognized it.
So?
It's not like it hasn't been done regardless of court opinion.
The American people violently threw off the yoke of oppression once.
It is not beyond the realm of possibility for it to happen again.
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Since overthrowing the Government is a crime under Title 18, it seems to me that this would violate the 5th Amendment. Once registered, a person would be incriminating themselves. Then there's the whole First Amendment thing. However, since South Carolina isn't telling these folks they can't freely associate with a "subversive group", I don't see that one as a violation.
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Since overthrowing the Government is a crime under Title 18, it seems to me that this would violate the 5th Amendment. Once registered, a person would be incriminating themselves. Then there's the whole First Amendment thing. However, since South Carolina isn't telling these folks they can't freely associate with a "subversive group", I don't see that one as a violation.
Then the army would have no right to ask if you were a homosexual or ever belonged to a subversive group. Day care centers could never ask if a person were ever convicted of child abuse or sexual assault.
I would also argue that registering is a self-admission. Failure to register wouldn't convict someone of being a subversive but of failing to register.
And the 1st Amendment does NOT protect calling for the violent overthrow of a duly elected government. The 1st Amendment is designed to protect people who would have their free, political voice silenced by those who aould use violence and coercion.
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I say we raise the $5 and register. Just to see what happens.
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I say we raise the $5 and register. Just to see what happens.
Seems like yesterday when everyone was buying or building their own CB for home and car. What a mess, that became. Before the laws changed one had to have a Federal License and call letters----Mine was KGU-7792---California.
This license had a questionare that had dozens of questions, the only one I remember for sure was asking if I had ever belonged to the John Birch Society.
Off to the book case and the encyclopedia and find out who John Birch is or was.
There were no questions asking if I belonged to the Black Panthers, or was a student at Berkley, took drugs or was gay. We were then at war but no questions about having Asian relatives.
Darn cycles and circles never end, what ever happend to the old no one can be forced to testify against themselves with threat or coercion.?
According to the rules if still in place today, half of Obamas advisers would be ineligible to get as much as a licence to talk to truckers on a road trip.
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According to the rules if still in place today, half of Obamas advisers would be ineligible to get as much as a licence to talk to truckers on a road trip.
Hell, half or more of the White House wouldn't qualify to join the military and the ones that did wouldn't be able to hold a clearance.
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I say we raise the $5 and register. Just to see what happens.
Screw that! I need my beer money.
Let's use a gov't loan.
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Screw that! I need my beer money.
Let's use a gov't loan.
government loan to register an anti-government organization.... :bow:
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Vesta, I think that you're a little off topic with your post because it really doesn't address the subversive issue. It does, however, show how some of the military and the military family violates security. If you told anybody of a ship or subs movement/ arrival time, then you, too, are guilty of OPSEC. That said, you aren't alone in doing this as I noticed several publishings in the Norfolk, VA paper of when and where a ship would arrive. IT always boggled my mind as to why the Navy never took any action against publishing the ship's arrivals/ departures. I'm going to split this post and move it to the military section.
Many ships have their own websites that shows pictures of their latest stops and stuff. Obviously they would never give too much info. Not like a site with GPS coordinance of all ships. lol
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How about having such a law in place as an excuse to hold someone or a group of someones attempting to pull a little terrorism in SC.
Ooops, you boys didn't register? Sorry, you'll have to be held pending investigation of not paying your Terra fees.
Meanwhile with a few days breathing room they're building a case to keep them for the bad shit.
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How about having such a law in place as an excuse to hold someone or a group of someones attempting to pull a little terrorism in SC.
Ooops, you boys didn't register? Sorry, you'll have to be held pending investigation of not paying your Terra fees.
Meanwhile with a few days breathing room they're building a case to keep them for the bad shit.
IIRC the mechanism exists already in the form of holding someone as a material witness.