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Current Events => Breaking News => Topic started by: Texacon on February 11, 2010, 02:02:07 PM
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http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-10451518-38.html
(http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/bto/20100211/cellphoneTracking.jpg)
In that case, the Obama administration has argued that warrantless tracking is permitted because Americans enjoy no "reasonable expectation of privacy" in their--or at least their cell phones'--whereabouts. U.S. Department of Justice lawyers say that "a customer's Fourth Amendment rights are not violated when the phone company reveals to the government its own records" that show where a mobile device placed and received calls.
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KC
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Bullshit........... just an excuse to violate the Constitution.
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I wonder what the DUmp says about this--and how that will change come Jan 21st, 2013.
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I wonder what the DUmp says about this--and how that will change come Jan 21st, 2013.
I'm guessing something about not voting for Bush's 3rd term or something like that. The DUmmies were so afraid what President Bush would do with the Patriot Act, (which the DimRats are trying to sneak through in the "Jobs Bill"), but I was afraid what a DemonRat in office would do.
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I wonder when they will push for GM to turn over onstar records?
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I wonder when they will push for GM to turn over onstar records?
When I had my Yukon I wouldn't let them turn the onstar on at all. I doubt that did any good but it made me feel better.
This spying shit needs to stop. They are bending stuff this way and that to make it all fit and none of it is good.
KC
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I would have expected the whole 'expectation of privacy' thingy to have been settled law when the USSC slapped down Baghdad Jim McDermott and the rest of the Dim'Rats for recording cell phone converations over a scanner.
Apparently I would be expecting too much though, and everything depends upon what the definition of 'is' is today.
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I wonder when they will push for GM to turn over onstar records?
Shouldn't be too hard.....since the government owns GM........as an aside, I refuse to purchase ANY vehicle that communicates with the outside world in any manner.........
Further, where is the outrage? When the Bush administration wanted to wiretap calls from terrorists outside the US to numbers located in the country.....the libs went batshit crazy.......why is it OK now?
Wait......I know........different president......different rules......
doc
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Remember when the left went nuts that Bush wanted to track suspected terrorists??
The left wants to track everyone. They already want to track every website everyone visits.
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CTU needs that intel.
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CTU needs that intel.
Then CTU can effin' send Jack Bauer to come find wherever the hell I am.
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I wonder when they will push for GM to turn over onstar records?
I think Onstar records have been used in several crash investigations. Wasn't there something about cars having a "black box" that would record information at the time of a crash? Also, we still have congress critters thinking about taxing us on miles driven, versus gallons of gas used. That would require some sort of tracking system.
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I think Onstar records have been used in several crash investigations. Wasn't there something about cars having a "black box" that would record information at the time of a crash? Also, we still have congress critters thinking about taxing us on miles driven, versus gallons of gas used. That would require some sort of tracking system.
The airbag computer monitors the engine and body computers. In the event of an airbag deployment it stores a predetermined length of data before and after the bags pop. The reason being is in case of someone claiming the accident was caused by a bag deployment or other mechanical defect they have records that tell the truth.
There are only a few places that can extract the info and you have to have an order to do it. There have been attempts to use the data in private suits that as far as I know have been blocked. The manufacturers warrant the very expensive airbag system for the longest time in vehicles so they can maintain ownership of the main computer module. As long as they're paying to replace it they own it.
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The airbag computer monitors the engine and body computers. In the event of an airbag deployment it stores a predetermined length of data before and after the bags pop. The reason being is in case of someone claiming the accident was caused by a bag deployment or other mechanical defect they have records that tell the truth.
There are only a few places that can extract the info and you have to have an order to do it. There have been attempts to use the data in private suits that as far as I know have been blocked. The manufacturers warrant the very expensive airbag system for the longest time in vehicles so they can maintain ownership of the main computer module. As long as they're paying to replace it they own it.
I wouldn't put it past the DimRats to use anything they can though.
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I wouldn't put it past the DimRats to use anything they can though.
Ditto. And as soon as they can, as their power is waning rapidly.
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Esp. if the govt owns a piece of GM.
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I would have expected the whole 'expectation of privacy' thingy to have been settled law when the USSC slapped down Baghdad Jim McDermott and the rest of the Dim'Rats for recording cell phone converations over a scanner.
Apparently I would be expecting too much though, and everything depends upon what the definition of 'is' is today.
It was bad enough when McDermott did it when cell phones were analog with no encryption. Now see how well that plays with the digital encryption most cell phones today have.
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Shouldn't be too hard.....since the government owns GM........as an aside, I refuse to purchase ANY vehicle that communicates with the outside world in any manner.........
Further, where is the outrage? When the Bush administration wanted to wiretap calls from terrorists outside the US to numbers located in the country.....the libs went batshit crazy.......why is it OK now?
Wait......I know........different president......different rules......
doc
I was thinking that too.
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Then CTU can effin' send Jack Bauer to come find wherever the hell I am.
You really don't want Jack Bauer looking for you.
Chuck Norris doesn't want Jack Bauer looking for him.
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I still haven't seen any mention of this at the DUmp. I wonder why?
KC
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I still haven't seen any mention of this at the DUmp. I wonder why?
KC
They only get worried when the government spies on terrorists. Not the public. Like when they tell ISP's to keep records of website visits of all users for 2 years. If it had been suspected terrorists they'd been howling about it.
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I am not sure this is in fact spying. All one has to do is to turn off their cell phone when they feel they are in an area they shouldn't be in.
I have Low Jack on my car to track it if it is stolen. It is not that people are being spied on without their knowledge, same with our PC, we leave tracks every where we go.
Throw away phones are used by the crooks, $8.00 for the phone and a calling card for $10.00
These tracking divices on a cell phone have saved many lives, lost people found and the body's of loved ones.
More then one way to look at this problem.
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I am not sure this is in fact spying. All one has to do is to turn off their cell phone when they feel they are in an area they shouldn't be in.
I have Low Jack on my car to track it if it is stolen. It is not that people are being spied on without their knowledge, same with our PC, we leave tracks every where we go.
Throw away phones are used by the crooks, $8.00 for the phone and a calling card for $10.00
These tracking divices on a cell phone have saved many lives, lost people found and the body's of loved ones.
More then one way to look at this problem.
We look at who wants to do it. These aren't local cops looking for a missing person.
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We look at who wants to do it. These aren't local cops looking for a missing person.
Exactly. Why not make it an 'opt in' kind of deal. If I choose not to opt in and they can't find me when I'm lost while camping that is bad on me! I didn't ask to be tracked .... when I bought my cell phone I was NOT buying a lo-jack.
KC
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Exactly. Why not make it an 'opt in' kind of deal. If I choose not to opt in and they can't find me when I'm lost while camping that is bad on me! I didn't ask to be tracked .... when I bought my cell phone I was NOT buying a lo-jack.
KC
If I understand correctly "they" know how to turn on a cellphone and listen without alerting the owner. And lets not forget the FBI wants to know every website we visit.
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If I understand correctly "they" know how to turn on a cellphone and listen without alerting the owner. And lets not forget the FBI wants to know every website we visit.
Yeah, there is a youtube video out that shows how they can listen in through your phone without you being on a call. It is some scary shit.
KC
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I am not sure this is in fact spying. All one has to do is to turn off their cell phone when they feel they are in an area they shouldn't be in.
I have Low Jack on my car to track it if it is stolen. It is not that people are being spied on without their knowledge, same with our PC, we leave tracks every where we go.
Throw away phones are used by the crooks, $8.00 for the phone and a calling card for $10.00
These tracking divices on a cell phone have saved many lives, lost people found and the body's of loved ones.
More then one way to look at this problem.
It would not be hard for cell phones to made so they can be tracked when they are off.
Lojack can just as easily be used to trace non-criminals.
Throwaway phones might be one of their next targets.
Saving lives by tracking the phones the is a good thing, keeping track of innocent citizens, is not. Pretty big difference.
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It would not be hard for cell phones to made so they can be tracked when they are off.
Lojack can just as easily be used to trace non-criminals.
Throwaway phones might be one of their next targets.
Saving lives by tracking the phones the is a good thing, keeping track of innocent citizens, is not. Pretty big difference.
"Those who would give up essential liberties to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety"
KC
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Yeah, there is a youtube video out that shows how they can listen in through your phone without you being on a call. It is some scary shit.
KC
PLEASE send a link for the you tube site.
Now that you got me all paranoid and thinking outside the box.
Some friends and family have given up on land lines and have house cell phones. If it is possible for someone to turn on a pocket phone and listen in, can they do the same with a cell house phone.?
Why do I have the expection of privacy with a land line and not have the same with a cell phone.?
Before the cell phones some people had car phones that could occasionally be picked up on a police scanner, my kids spent many a happy snowed in day listening to conversations that they had no business listening to. Is this the same idea.?
I could use some help here, after a visit from a bad sheep relative I found both my cell phones would not charge or work in any way. someone asked me if they still had a chip in them ????? What kind of chip and where do I look for it.?
One of those pesky questions that haunt us all, how come some kids are way to stupid to pass a GED test but can hack into someones PC, set up a DVD to stand on its head for you, wire up a programable thermostat to the furnace, knows how to text on a cell, hook up soft ware to the PC and when YOU your self crash everything they come over, give up an uppity look and fix the problem in less then 2 minutes.?
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I think this will end up in the laps of the Supremes. You know...the ones 0Bama pissed off with his SOTU dig? I wonder how THAT judgment will turn out.
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PLEASE send a link for the you tube site.
[youtube=425,350]uCyKcoDaofg[/youtube]
There ya go.
KC
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PLEASE send a link for the you tube site.
Now that you got me all paranoid and thinking outside the box.
Here is one video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4i7vXSazuFc
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and another:
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0G1fNjK9SXg[/youtube]
::wonders when Vesta will learn to use a search engine?? ::
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The FBI can listen in to what your doing when the phone is supposed to be OFF. That should freak people out. :p
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The FBI can listen in to what your doing when the phone is supposed to be OFF. That should freak people out. :p
That's because when a cell phone is off, it's still communicating to cell phone towers. Otherwise, why would the battery run down when it's turned "off" so quickly?? (I know of internal resistance of a battery and why it runs down after a long while, but a cell phone battery should last more than a week when it's truly "off". All other batteries do.)
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That's because when a cell phone is off, it's still communicating to cell phone towers. Otherwise, why would the battery run down when it's turned "off" so quickly?? (I know of internal resistance of a battery and why it runs down after a long while, but a cell phone battery should last more than a week when it's truly "off". All other batteries do.)
I think this is true only in the last generation or two of phones (with GPS chips).......mine is four years old or so, and I can turn it off, and leave it that way for a year, and the battery is still partially charged.......
doc
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I think this is true only in the last generation or two of phones (with GPS chips).......mine is four years old or so, and I can turn it off, and leave it that way for a year, and the battery is still partially charged.......
doc
So OFF on your phone isn't STAND BY mode.
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So OFF on your phone isn't STAND BY mode.
Correct.....it is "off" right now, and it is not emitting any RF at all, and will require a complete boot up and initialization before use when turned on......
Unlike more recent units, if I have voice or text messages waiting, the phone will have to be up and running for several minutes before it completes "handshaking" with the system, and downloads the stuff before giving me the notification that there are messages.......back before I retired, I had a Blackberry, and like mentioned above it would download data whether it was turned on or not.........
doc