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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: zeitgeist on February 06, 2010, 06:39:30 PM
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An interesting thread where dummies turn from the issue to medieval fantasys.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4258911
Omaha Steve (1000+ posts) Sat Feb-06-10 02:35 PM
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Judge: Pratt can't move jobs (1,000) out of US
Source: AP
By STEPHEN SINGER
HARTFORD, Conn. (AP) - A federal U.S. judge ordered jet engine maker Pratt & Whitney to halt its plans to move 1,000 jobs out of Connecticut and to Japan, Singapore and the state of Georgia.
U.S. District Judge Janet C. Hall in Bridgeport issued a permanent injunction, stopping the company's plans to shift the jobs.
The judge strongly criticized the subsidiary of United Technologies Corp., saying it evaded the spirit of its union contract requiring it to make every effort to keep the jobs in the state.
The union, which represents about 3,700 workers, hailed the decision. In its lawsuit, the union accused Pratt & Whitney of failing to comply with the contract that required it to do everything possible to preserve the jobs.
Read more: http://apnews.excite.com/article/20100206/D9DMIS4O0.htm...
First the dummies rail about Republican union bashing.
undeterred (1000+ posts) Sat Feb-06-10 02:44 PM
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1. Pratt understood its obligations, but decisively attempted to evade them.
I'm afraid Republicans are going to kill the unions... they slow down the process of destroying the middle class.
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stillwaiting (50 posts) Sat Feb-06-10 03:38 PM
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16. I'm afraid elected Democrats are helping to kill unions
It's devastating what's happened to unions over the last several decades in this country.
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undeterred (1000+ posts) Sat Feb-06-10 03:43 PM
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17. One of my Republican relatives is in a union
and all she does is complain about it. She has a secure job with good pay and benefits at 55. She hasn't been unemployed for 25 years, has summers off. No clue whatsoever what her situation would be like if she were in a non-unionized job. Lots of 50-somethings are in the long term unemployed group and will take a big step down in pay when we go back to work.
RubyDuby in GA (1000+ posts) Sat Feb-06-10 03:19 PM
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10. I can already hear the assholes here in Georgia bitching about the evil gubment taking away jobs
I really am beginning to despise this state and its right to work idiots and just about everything else around here. They gripe and moan that there are no jobs or no decent paying jobs and yet when people want to get together to make sure they aren't being screwed, they complain that everything in the world that is wrong is the fault of unions. Morans.
Then we get Earwax take on a nue Ewe-topia.
earcandle (1000+ posts) Sat Feb-06-10 03:20 PM
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12. Let us take the stand that money doesn't matter and start a trade business.
Somebody needs to build the grid, maybe Google?
We need a jobs bank where you put in your labor at costs
and people who need you will trade their hours for your
services.
So an attorney might need a babysitter, a plumber needs
accounting services,
a babysitter needs some clothes, a clothier needs some
medical advice, a doctor
needs a therapist for his kids, etc. we all trade our hours
to get our needs met.
there are models. in Basque they now collectively own
several hospitals, factories,
food coops, etc. we can do it.
lets dump this current economy and move things a different
way fast and show just how
smart and democratic the american people really are.
I'll help!
Ah Utopia, maybe we can assign our students to research this :whatever:.
NJCher (1000+ posts) Sat Feb-06-10 05:58 PM
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46. can you tell where?
I have a student looking for a research paper topic; maybe this would be it. Needs a starting point, though.
Cher
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Jackpine Radical (1000+ posts) Sat Feb-06-10 06:12 PM
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49. Madison, WI has Madison Hours; check out Wikipedia for a start:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_community_currenci...
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Sat Feb-06-10 05:16 PM
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39. Actually this is a valuable
concept.
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WriteDown (1000+ posts) Sat Feb-06-10 05:47 PM
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43. We can call it a guild and instead of signs we'll use symbols above our shops. nt
Now what were we discussing again??
90-percent (1000+ posts) Sat Feb-06-10 05:50 PM
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44. Some history
The original Pratt and Whitney Machine Tool Company was started in 1860. Francis Pratt and Amos Whitney started in a basement while working at Colt Firearms.
Pratt and Whitney AIRCRAFT was started in 1929 by Fred Rentshler, who had invented a new radial air cooled engine. The Pratt and Whitney Company leased Fred some space and machinery on Capitol Avenue In Hartford (now an Aetna bldg, there is a pictorial history display of both Pratt and Whitney's in the lobby)
"The Aircraft" bought the rights to use the name, but there was almost no relationship between the two companies since the 1929 start up.
I worked at "The Machine Tool" in west Hartford from August 1979 to December 1983. IT carried on and got bought in the late 80's and the new owners started to turn it around, and then just decided to walk away.
The Aircraft became a much much larger company than the machine tool ever was. The entire machine tool builder business is fairly small and always has been.
What remains of the original Pratt and Whitney is the current incarnation of the Measurement Systems Division. http://www.prattandwhitney.com/index.htm
-90% Jimmy
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NJCher (1000+ posts) Sat Feb-06-10 06:01 PM
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48. for crying out loud
Now we can't even make our own war machine. Taxpayers now will have to pay for sweatshop labor to kill our fellow inhabitants here on Planet Earth.
Somethin' wrong with that, if you ask me.
Cher
Who's turn is it to get the munchies?? Cher, Cher??
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When the laws and the fiat orders of a court forbid companies from adapting to changing economic conditions, they are going to kill commerce
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WriteDown (1000+ posts) Sat Feb-06-10 05:47 PM
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43. We can call it a guild and instead of signs we'll use symbols above our shops.
Great idea! Most of the DUmp men are in the lollipop guild. What would their symbol be?
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U.S. District Judge Janet C. Hall in Bridgeport issued a permanent injunction, stopping the company's plans to shift the jobs.
And exactly what law backs up this decision? An Injunction has to have more than ideology behind it.
How about "the company" just saying "NO" and "SCREW YOU, Your honor-bitch" and "Try to enforce it, lady"?
This is not anarchy on the company's part. The anarchy started with the baseless and illegal "injunction". A "NO!" would be restoring order.
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And exactly what law backs up this decision? An Injunction has to have more than ideology behind it.
How about "the company" just saying "NO" and "SCREW YOU, Your honor-bitch" and "Try to enforce it, lady"?
I've seen this happen before, and the solution is simple.......when the existing union contract expires, and the time for negotiating a new one begins.....Pratt will simply announce the move at the expiration of the contract.......no judge can force the parties to enter into a new contract, when the existing one expires under its own terms......
doc
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Great idea! Most of the DUmp men are in the lollipop guild. What would their symbol be?
Guessing something to suck on. :puke:
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So as soon as the contract expires, instead of moving 1000 jobs out of an anti-business state, Pratt will move all 3700. Another victory for organized labor and the democrat party.
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So as soon as the contract expires, instead of moving 1000 jobs out of an anti-business state, Pratt will move all 3700. Another victory for organized labor and the democrat party.
UNION WIN!!!!11111!!!eleventy
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WriteDown (1000+ posts) Sat Feb-06-10 05:47 PM
Response to Reply #12
43. We can call it a guild and instead of signs we'll use symbols above our shops. nt
And what's going to happen when the plumbers and nurses decide they aren't getting enough farm produce and custom uniforms that don't show their butt cracks when they bend over for all the services they provide and decide to unionize? Then again, maybe it wouldn't be such a bad idea, at least then you'd see how they artificially inflate prices and rob the country blind.
Cindie
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Yeah, attorneys and other professionals will be lining up to trade their hours with babysitters. :thatsright:
12. Let us take the stand that money doesn't matter and start a trade business.
Somebody needs to build the grid, maybe Google?
We need a jobs bank where you put in your labor at costs
and people who need you will trade their hours for your
services.
So an attorney might need a babysitter, a plumber needs
accounting services,
a babysitter needs some clothes, a clothier needs some
medical advice, a doctor
needs a therapist for his kids, etc. we all trade our hours
to get our needs met.
Straight out of the South Park hippie episode.
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DUmmies would expect to receive brain surgery in exchange for two heads of lettuce and a rotten tomato
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Yeah, attorneys and other professionals will be lining up to trade their hours with babysitters. :thatsright:
Idiots. Barter is for small scale neighborly stuff.
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DUmmies would expect to receive brain surgery in exchange for two heads of lettuce and a rotten tomato
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More like a bag of pot seeds and Cheeto dust.
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undeterred (1000+ posts) Sat Feb-06-10 02:44 PM
Response to Original message
1. Pratt understood its obligations, but decisively attempted to evade them.
I'm afraid Republicans are going to kill the unions... they slow down the process of destroying the middle class.
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NOt exactly...
So as soon as the contract expires, instead of moving 1000 jobs out of an anti-business state, Pratt will move all 3700. Another victory for organized labor and the democrat party.
And there, my friends, GOBUCKS shows how unions are killing unions. If there was a hi-5 feature, I'd give you one.