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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: franksolich on January 30, 2010, 08:53:03 AM
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=246x12427
Oh my.
morningglory (1000+ posts) Mon Dec-21-09 08:25 PM
Original message
Psssst...humanure...
http://humanurehandbook.com/downloads/Humanure_Handbook...
hippywife (1000+ posts) Thu Dec-24-09 10:39 PM
MRS. ALFRED PACKER
Response to Original message
1. Ain't no way we would do this and I'm sorry I opened the link out of curiosity. It's a 260 page pdf that brought my browser to a screeching halt!
PuraVidaDreamin (1000+ posts) Sat Dec-26-09 07:40 AM
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2. fabulous book! just outright bought it.
On our little 2.2 acre micro farm in the making, we don't, and cannot afford plumbing yet. We did put up a yurt to spend time on the property and work the greenhouse/ garden. The dilemma was 'where' to make the deposit- responsibly.
Built our own commode and placed it in the old barn for privacy, and use sawdust for the breaking down/ composting. No smell- The only less than fun part is emptying into a compost pile not used for the edible garden- and its really not that bad.
The science is sound- Composting toilets should be mandatory.
Totally recommend.
ConcernedCanuk (1000+ posts) Thu Jan-28-10 05:48 PM
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5. I made my own "blend" -
humanure in wood ash, crushed egg shells, and 15-20% urine/water mix
I think I did something right
after which a photograph of some garish-looking thing
I had to remove some glass panes to let that plant grow through the roof.
ONE PLANT - that's what you're looking at.
No commercial fertilizers, pesticides, etc.,
I had two plants like that, I figure I got over 500 tomatoes per plant(cherry), giving a hundred or so bi-weekly to our local food bank.
More info and pix at http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
Most people I know wouldn't touch the veggies grown with humanure;
strange isn't it? - horse shit, cow shit, pig shit, chicken shit, . . BAT-SHIT!!
but not human shit - put it in our rivers and lakes instead . .
hmmmm
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Do I dare ask what kind of paper work they use to finish the job an how they dispose of it.
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Do I dare ask what kind of paper work they use to finish the job an how they dispose of it.
One square doesn't create a problem.
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One square doesn't create a problem.
It's also one square more than I can envision :puke: DUmmies using. Perhaps it's one of those "cultural" things they think we can all learn from the a-rabs.
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Oh dear God. And just when you think the DUmmies couldn't get any more gross or ass backwards, they talk about this.
They really need to start their own gastrointestinal issues/outhouse group.
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my old ancestors used to do that, then there kids got learned to read, got better jobs, and could afford plumbing. If these idiots like living like this let them move to some up river village in Africa.
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And of course, as soon as the neighbors "get wind" of what the farming DUmmies are doing, the town will come down on them like a ton of bricks. Nothing like contaminating your neighbor's well to generate good will.
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frank you forgot to *** out the V-word!!
I am shocked!
lol
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DUmmie says she has a shed so she should look up "Dirt Comode".
It was an 1800's invention that the 'water closet' put out of business before it really got off the ground. ...ain't capitalism great.
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I guess that they're clueless as to WHY the most recent outbreaks of e-coli happened. It was because of migrant workers taking dumps in the veggie fields. Untreated human waste is rife with bad bacteria. While plant will grow well in human excrement, they will also carry those evil bacteria. IF they found a way to treat it, then it would be OK. Then there's the ground water contamination issue. Powdered lime is a good way to sterilize any fecal matter. They really need to have some sort of background in animal husbandry or farming before they attempt to do absurd things like this.
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I guess that they're clueless as to WHY the most recent outbreaks of e-coli happened. It was because of migrant workers taking dumps in the veggie fields. Untreated human waste is rife with bad bacteria. While plant will grow well in human excrement, they will also carry those evil bacteria. IF they found a way to treat it, then it would be OK. Then there's the ground water contamination issue. Powdered lime is a good way to sterilize any fecal matter. They really need to have some sort of background in animal husbandry or farming before they attempt to do absurd things like this.
Exactly. The reason for the big increase in life expectancy in the US and Europe (and Asia) is proper santiation.
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Perhaps someone could enlighten me......why would anyone want to do this to start with........?
doc
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Perhaps someone could enlighten me......why would anyone want to do this to start with........?
doc
To literally spread their shit everywhere . . . :evillaugh:
It might have something to do with "carbon footprints." It reminds me to increase mine even more.
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The escrow closing date got moved back a few days on the house we're buying because the bank agreed to fix the septic tank if there were any problems. There was. A cottonwood tree got into the leeching system. So I get a new system. That way, the ground water doesn't get contaminated. I've never had a septic tank before and was puzzled at first at how it worked and why etc, but even I understand the the necessity for for sanitation, building codes and junk like that.
I clicked on the link to the book. It turns out we're not viewing this problem from the right "quantum perspective".
Sigh. Liberalism is now a health hazard.
Oh, and according to the book people are a pathogen infecting the planet and eating your own crap helps keep sacred mother earth from exploding into flames due to global warming.
Why dont they just connect a hose from their butts to their mouths and be done with it?
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To literally spread their shit everywhere . . . :evillaugh:
It might have something to do with "carbon footprints." It reminds me to increase mine even more.
Well......I mean sanitary plumbing is a concept that has been around since the Roman Empire.......why would someone want to recycle shit, when any fool can rent a backhoe, and build a decent septic tank.........its not rocket science......a couple of lengths of four-inch PVC, and a truck load of cinder blocks, with a bag of mortar mix........wtf?
doc
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I think I found where these DUmbasses got their info....
http://www.humanurehandbook.com/
From what I read, you have to let this stuff decompose for 1-2 YEARS before you can use it, to kill all the pathogens, use/run it thru compost, or you have to "cook" (heat) it....
I've also heard that human waste has high concentrations of heavy metals such as mercury and cadmium....
I think I'll stick with my $10 bag of 10-10-10 I buy for my garden, which along with my stove ashes, produces some very fine veggies....
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our little 2.2 acre micro farm
That isn't a "micro farm", that's a suburban lot. The neighbors must love it. Makes a homeowners' association sound a little better. On the other hand, not many of them are likely to have restrictions against saving up tons of shit.
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Well......I mean sanitary plumbing is a concept that has been around since the Roman Empire.......why would someone want to recycle shit, when any fool can rent a backhoe, and build a decent septic tank.........its not rocket science......a couple of lengths of four-inch PVC, and a truck load of cinder blocks, with a bag of mortar mix........wtf?
doc
What you describe is closer to what I have,a cesspool but at least as far as I know here in NY is not legal.
Maybe one could be grandfathered in here but for a new house it has to be an actual tank,plastic or concrete with a precise size leeching field.
The tank has to drain into a distribution box and then several PVC laterals from that through the field.
http://www.inspectapedia.com/septic/NYS75-A.5.htm
It is pretty intricate to meet code.
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How expensive is it to maintain a septic system? The banks' setting up my system for free so I don't know. I know I have to pump it out every once in a while, but that's it.
Thank God none of my neighbors live in Yurts.
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What you describe is closer to what I have,a cesspool but at least as far as I know here in NY is not legal.
Maybe one could be grandfathered in here but for a new house it has to be an actual tank,plastic or concrete with a precise size leeching field.
The tank has to drain into a distribution box and then several PVC laterals from that through the field.
http://www.inspectapedia.com/septic/NYS75-A.5.htm
It is pretty intricate to meet code.
That IS New York........where it takes three engineers, and five different categories of union workers to install a mailbox post........and yeah, I've lived there........
doc
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How expensive is it to maintain a septic system? The banks' setting up my system for free so I don't know. I know I have to pump it out every once in a while, but that's it.
Thank God none of my neighbors live in Yurts.
Maintaining one is simple. You have to pump it out about once every 10-20 years, don't flush any motor oil down the toilet, and unless you have a percolation problem, just forget about it.
I've had one here for 25 years, no problems....
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So there's no fuggin' reason to compost your own dookie other than a smug sense of self satisfaction?
....broke ass mo fo's.
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How expensive is it to maintain a septic system? The banks' setting up my system for free so I don't know. I know I have to pump it out every once in a while, but that's it.
Thank God none of my neighbors live in Yurts.
Installing a good system shouldn't cost more than a couple grand. I've heard of people having to pump every couple of years, but I suspect they are flushing weird stuff down their toilets. Mine was installed five years ago when I bought the place, replacing a very old system that was collapsing. No problems at all, but I am careful what goes down the drain.
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Maintaining one is simple. You have to pump it out about once every 10-20 years, don't flush any motor oil down the toilet, and unless you have a percolation problem, just forget about it.
I've had one here for 25 years, no problems....
It's recommended that a septic system be pumped out every three years. Apparently, many people have had so much problems with NOT maintaining their septic systems that the last place I had a house, Ramsey, MN, made it a city code to require everybody on a septic system to have their septic systems pumped out every three years. They now send people "reminders".
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Just remember the Ridex once or twice a month with the tank.
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Installing a good system shouldn't cost more than a couple grand. I've heard of people having to pump every couple of years, but I suspect they are flushing weird stuff down their toilets. Mine was installed five years ago when I bought the place, replacing a very old system that was collapsing. No problems at all, but I am careful what goes down the drain.
Wow, it must be really cheap where you live. Septic systems in MN ran anywhere from $7000-$15000 (mound systems) to get installed.
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Wow, it must be really cheap where you live. Septic systems in MN ran anywhere from $7000-$15000 (mound systems) to get installed.
Around here there's a backhoe in every third driveway, and people scramble for little jobs like that, so yeah, you can get stuff done pretty cheap.
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It's recommended that a septic system be pumped out every three years. Apparently, many people have had so much problems with NOT maintaining their septic systems that the last place I had a house, Ramsey, MN, made it a city code to require everybody on a septic system to have their septic systems pumped out every three years. They now send people "reminders".
The septic tank at our farm was installed in 1957......and it has "never" been pumped.........in fact, we've forgotten where the access cover is......still works fine.......box of Ridex every few months....
doc
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Hhhmm. Thanks for the info. Septic systems are cheap out here too. Same deal as crockspot, lot of heavy machinery where I live.
Looked up RIDEX.
(http://c3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/141/l_93b189265c6c45a9b1b3bea8ff910f9e.png)15.13‎ -0.06‎ (-0.39%‎) NAV as of‎ Jan 29, 2010
YTD Return: -2.20%
Net Assets: 722.07M
Front Load: None
Yield (ttm): 6.15%
Expense Ratio: 0.66%
Morningstar Rating: Rated 3.0 out of 5.0
Looks like I should have dumped it years ago. (heehee)
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Ridex is making a comeback of late. People must be trying to dissolve all the BS coming out of DC.
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There's been a fair bit of interest in dry composting toilets here - especially in arid areas or places that are unsuited to septic but don't have sewage hookups. The government is particularly fond of installing them into national parks and other public recreation areas.
I've seen several setups in remote places - and they stink. Quite literally.
These are proper commercially made systems that are touted as being very "green" - I really don't know that I'd trust the "output" of these things for food crops either.
Only really one step better than a "drop" toilet - and that's the fact you don't have to dig a new hole and relocate the structure once every couple of years.
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That IS New York........where it takes three engineers, and five different categories of union workers to install a mailbox post........and yeah, I've lived there........
doc
Tell me about it and just one of the reasons I want out of here.
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Well......I mean sanitary plumbing is a concept that has been around since the Roman Empire.......why would someone want to recycle shit, when any fool can rent a backhoe, and build a decent septic tank.........its not rocket science......a couple of lengths of four-inch PVC, and a truck load of cinder blocks, with a bag of mortar mix........wtf?
doc
At least back when they used rags on a stick they would each have their own rags on a stick.
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It's recommended that a septic system be pumped out every three years. Apparently, many people have had so much problems with NOT maintaining their septic systems that the last place I had a house, Ramsey, MN, made it a city code to require everybody on a septic system to have their septic systems pumped out every three years. They now send people "reminders".
I've pumped mine every 10 years, but I put one in for about twice the size for the house....
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There's a mysterious mound back of this house way out in the Sandhills of Nebraska, that the now-owner of the property (the ancient elderly gentleman who used to cut the grass here), and the guy who currently cuts the grass (and moves the snow), insists covers the septic tank.
It's obviously a man-inspired, rather than a natural occurrence, phenomenon; its peak is circa a little less than two feet above the surrounding ground, and the "bump" covers an area about 20' x 20'.
Grass grows lushly above it, but it's kind of a deeper-green sort of grass; also the texture of the soil appears sandy, as compared with the usual pure black dirt here.
Near as the now-owner of this property can recall, it was installed in "'38 or '39," and to his knowledge never cleaned out. He says it was made of concrete.
There exist no plumbing problems here, and being a single person enamoured of the spartan life, I don't generate a whole lot of waste. And the place was vacant from the late 1980s (1988 I think) until I came here in the autumn of 2005.
A few years ago, I dubbed the mound "the Atman."
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Well.......why would someone want to recycle shit.........wtf?
doc
Liberals have been recycling the same communist shit since Karl Marx wrote his book....
And they call themselves "progressives". "Regressives" is more like it....
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I guess that they're clueless as to WHY the most recent outbreaks of e-coli happened. It was because of migrant workers taking dumps in the veggie fields. Untreated human waste is rife with bad bacteria. While plant will grow well in human excrement, they will also carry those evil bacteria. IF they found a way to treat it, then it would be OK. Then there's the ground water contamination issue. Powdered lime is a good way to sterilize any fecal matter. They really need to have some sort of background in animal husbandry or farming before they attempt to do absurd things like this.
I believe someone once coined the phrase "strawberries with Mexican brown sauce".
Now where did I put the link to the pickle bucket sawdust toilet??
(http://www.appropedia.org/images/9/9c/Erssons_sawdust3.jpg)
Ah yes right here. (http://www.appropedia.org/How_to_make_and_use_a_sawdust_toilet_(original))
Thoughts on septic tanks.
Rule 1. Cheaper to pump than replace a leach field later.
Rule 2. Do not flush plugs or pampers.
Rule 3. IF possible separate gray water.
Rule 4. Do not drive on your leach field.
Rule 5. Know where your tank and leach field are before you need to.
Ridex? See rule 1. It may help but pumping is cheap insurance.
Anyone ever hear of gas toilets? My aunt use to have one at her cottage at the lake.
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The last house I had with a septic system I bought new, and we lived there 17 years without ever pumping the tank. Not sure I could have found it. For my money, septic and water well are the way to go. My wife and I were homeowners for 24 years before paying our first water or sewer bill, and never had a single problem of any kind.
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We have a septic system with 2 holding tanks because our leach field is up at the top of the lot.
We had a lot of problems with it, and kept getting it pumped out and couldn't figure out how two people were causing such problems. (don't go there Thor! :hammer:)
We had Rotor Rooter here 2x's, and then another specialized septic system company who wanted to tear out all my flooring on the first floor because they thought there was a blockage in one of the pipes under the slab. We were looking at thousands of dollars in repairs.
Called in a third company for a second opinion....they KNEW what they were doing! They snaked a camera down the drain outside...there's a pump in there that had died. They replaced the pump...guy had to go down the manhole to do it....ewwww....and it's worked fine every since!
Most mortgage companies that are doing FHA or VA loans on houses with septic systems will require that the system be thoroughly checked and the tank emptied. They also require verification with the county that the septic field permit for number of bedrooms - not bathrooms matches the number in the house.
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Anyone ever hear of gas toilets? My aunt use to have one at her cottage at the lake.
Can't wait to read coach's opinion of that!
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Most mortgage companies that are doing FHA or VA loans on houses with septic systems will require that the system be thoroughly checked and the tank emptied. They also require verification with the county that the septic field permit for number of bedrooms - not bathrooms matches the number in the house.
Well, I guess the number of bedrooms means "people" using it, and thats going to determine usage a lot better than the number of toilets.
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There's a mysterious mound back of this house way out in the Sandhills of Nebraska, that the now-owner of the property (the ancient elderly gentleman who used to cut the grass here), and the guy who currently cuts the grass (and moves the snow), insists covers the septic tank.
It's obviously a man-inspired, rather than a natural occurrence, phenomenon; its peak is circa a little less than two feet above the surrounding ground, and the "bump" covers an area about 20' x 20'.
Grass grows lushly above it, but it's kind of a deeper-green sort of grass; also the texture of the soil appears sandy, as compared with the usual pure black dirt here.
Near as the now-owner of this property can recall, it was installed in "'38 or '39," and to his knowledge never cleaned out. He says it was made of concrete.
There exist no plumbing problems here, and being a single person enamoured of the spartan life, I don't generate a whole lot of waste. And the place was vacant from the late 1980s (1988 I think) until I came here in the autumn of 2005.
A few years ago, I dubbed the mound "the Atman."
That sounds like your leach field, and a healthy one. Your actual concrete septic tank is going to be immediately adjacent to it, on the "uphill" side.
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We have the same sort of hill in our yard that Frank refers to. The grass sure does grow nice and green there.
I know more about septic systems and leach fields than I have ever cared to know, really. What I do know is that we've had to replace the pump twice - the first time it was $1200.00 and the second time it was $400.00 because my husband decided that **he** was going to replace the pump instead of paying someone $800.00 to do it.
I will just say that when he was done fixing said pump, I would not let him back in the house for a week or so.
:muahaha:
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One square doesn't create a problem.
Well I guess not, since you leave most of "it" on your fingers!
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I guess that they're clueless as to WHY the most recent outbreaks of e-coli happened. It was because of migrant workers taking dumps in the veggie fields. Untreated human waste is rife with bad bacteria. While plant will grow well in human excrement, they will also carry those evil bacteria. IF they found a way to treat it, then it would be OK. Then there's the ground water contamination issue. Powdered lime is a good way to sterilize any fecal matter. They really need to have some sort of background in animal husbandry or farming before they attempt to do absurd things like this.
What DUmbasses don't realize is almost all domesticated animal waste is vegetable matter. Why the hell do you think dogs and a number of other species will eat their feces? Horses for example only digest aboput 60% of the hay they eat. What's left is likely a higher protien content than most kerneled dog chow! You wonder why your dog will eat shit? There's your answer!
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How expensive is it to maintain a septic system? The banks' setting up my system for free so I don't know. I know I have to pump it out every once in a while, but that's it.
Thank God none of my neighbors live in Yurts.
Less than one might think, provided you don't shove a whole bunch of food, grease, etc, into the tank.
A $20 bottle of Rid-X gives me six doses of tank treatment (once a month). Around here, they charge about $250 or so to pump it down, a little more if they have to dig up the lids. My biggest expense is salt for the softener and filters--and even that is less than $10/month.
I've lived in the house for 3 years, and no sign of having to pump it down. Like I said, if you are good to it, it's good to you--I've seen folks who pump theirs down every 3-4 years, and people who haven't had to after living in their home for 10 years.
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If society were to collapse, I can see the value in having basic information regarding a composting toilet, ways to keep the smell down, how long you have to have it sitting somewhere to get rid of any nasty contagions, etc., but until then I'll stick with my flushing toilet.
In a real TEOTWAWKI situation, I would probably using the camping toilet method (dig a hole and bury it) until I got some sort of outhouse dug, then I would switch to that. This method seems like it would be to much effort in a survival situation.
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Less than one might think, provided you don't shove a whole bunch of food, grease, etc, into the tank.
A $20 bottle of Rid-X gives me six doses of tank treatment (once a month). Around here, they charge about $250 or so to pump it down, a little more if they have to dig up the lids. My biggest expense is salt for the softener and filters--and even that is less than $10/month.
I've lived in the house for 3 years, and no sign of having to pump it down. Like I said, if you are good to it, it's good to you--I've seen folks who pump theirs down every 3-4 years, and people who haven't had to after living in their home for 10 years.
Our septic guys told us not to put Rid-X down the septic but to use live yeast instead. We have had to had ours pumped out several times since we've lived here in nine years but that's also because the lid to the solids tank is on a lower level than the yard and when we get heavy rain, it leaks into the two different tanks. My husband built a cement moat around each of the lids and then he seals the lids with silicone caulking and that has really helped a lot and we have not had to have it pumped out now in a couple of years. He also built a small levee to keep the rain water from going near the septic tank lids. We also have some switch that directs the gray water to different sides of the leach field. Some of our neighbors have a system where the gray water tank goes to a sprinkler system and waters the grass.
Like I said, I know far more about septic systems than I ever really thought I would.
::)
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Can't use yeast here. Never gets warm enough.
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Speaking of septic tanks I put something in the BLOGS section about healthcare deform.
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Less than one might think, provided you don't shove a whole bunch of food, grease, etc, into the tank.
A $20 bottle of Rid-X gives me six doses of tank treatment (once a month). Around here, they charge about $250 or so to pump it down, a little more if they have to dig up the lids. My biggest expense is salt for the softener and filters--and even that is less than $10/month.
I've lived in the house for 3 years, and no sign of having to pump it down. Like I said, if you are good to it, it's good to you--I've seen folks who pump theirs down every 3-4 years, and people who haven't had to after living in their home for 10 years.
$250-300 is what they charge here too....depending on if the lids have to be dug up....
The guys that do this must make a lot of money... :bow:
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$250-300 is what they charge here too....depending on if the lids have to be dug up....
The guys that do this must make a lot of money... :bow:
Yeah, but it's a shitty job. :evillaugh:
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Yeah, but it's a shitty job. :evillaugh:
That's what it takes to be #1 in the #2 business.... :rotf:
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That's what it takes to be #1 in the #2 business.... :rotf:
remember that septic tank cleaner from the RED GREEN SHOW??
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remember that septic tank cleaner from the RED GREEN SHOW??
I've seen the show, but I don't recall that episode....
Them damned Canadians is some weird folk, eh....
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I've seen the show, but I don't recall that episode....
Them damned Canadians is some weird folk, eh....
The skinny dude with a hardhat. Sometimes they had a faux commercial for his sewer sucking service.
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I've seen the show, but I don't recall that episode....
Them damned Canadians is some weird folk, eh....
I had entirely forgotten Red Green. What a great, weird show. I just checked, and about a half dozen full seasons are available from Netflix. Red Green and SCTV were the two best things ever to come out of Canada. As imports, I still think they were both better than Monte Python.
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I had entirely forgotten Red Green. What a great, weird show. I just checked, and about a half dozen full seasons are available from Netflix. Red Green and SCTV were the two best things ever to come out of Canada. As imports, I still think they were both better than Monte Python.
Its also apparently on Youtube and stuff. heh.
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I still watch Red Green every Saturday night on PBS. Funny as hell! The last one was about the Forest Ranger getting lost!
Nothing quite like the Handyman's Secret Weapon! Heh, heh, heh!
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I've never even heard of the Red Green show. Sounds like something I'd like. Does anyone remember the Honey Dipper Dan song/skit on Mad TV? That was a good one.
In CT, by law we had to pump every 2 years. I didn't know where the damn thing was, and had to "handle" this matter with the guy, since my X was working at the time. Traumatic experience. The guy sounded exactly like Count Dracula.
Back to the OP, over at Moonbattery they posted a video of a guy maintaining his humanure facility, I guess you'd call it. The family shat in the living room or something into 5 gallon buckets, then he carried them out to a truckbed and dumped it along with hay. Forked it over to mix it up. Rinsed out the buckets with the tiniest minute amount of water, and he did this all without gloves. Utterly disgusting. Generated hundreds of comments and countless views.
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Back to the OP, over at Moonbattery they posted a video of a guy maintaining his humanure facility, I guess you'd call it. The family shat in the living room or something into 5 gallon buckets, then he carried them out to a truckbed and dumped it along with hay. Forked it over to mix it up. Rinsed out the buckets with the tiniest minute amount of water, and he did this all without gloves. Utterly disgusting. Generated hundreds of comments and countless views.
Hmmm... this guy obviously has a problem with modern advancements. Now, he has a truck, but no indoor plumbing. At least toilet wise. I like my truck, but I love indoor, working toilets. If I have to choose between my truck and toilet, I'll be walking.
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I still watch Red Green every Saturday night on PBS. Funny as hell! The last one was about the Forest Ranger getting lost!
Nothing quite like the Handyman's Secret Weapon! Heh, heh, heh!
If the women don't find you handsome, at least let them find you handy....
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It amazes me that this is legal. My 'other' job is managing our small water/waste water system for our subdivision. We have to have the sludge pumped out of our waste water tank about 2 times a year. Before it can be pumped we have to have it tested for all KINDS of stuff, including heavy metals. It makes a difference because our sludge goes to land application where it has to sit for a long time before anything can be done with it but the testing we have to do is muy expensive and it involves a lot of filing with the state.
This is for a system that serves around 435 homes.
KC
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Holy crap, I can't believe this thread is still goin' on. I went out to the new house today to check on the progress of the septic guys...and they're done. I have a whole new leech field...and a completely torn up side yard, but apparently I'm good for a couple of...well maybe more than a couple of years.
It seems more environmentally friendly than the humanure system, and far less...um...crappy than the sawdust bucket advocates.
Oh, and I asked the real estate guy about the humanure deal. It isn't legal, but I can't see how anyone would know you were doing it around here. Lot's of horses and other livestock out here....But then again, my neighbors don't strike me as the type of people who would be into that. Too many Don't tread on me and Marine Corps flags in my neck of the woods.
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Holy crap, I can't believe this thread is still goin' on. I went out to the new house today to check on the progress of the septic guys...and they're done. I have a whole new leech field...and a completely torn up side yard, but apparently I'm good for a couple of...well maybe more than a couple of years.
It seems more environmentally friendly than the humanure system, and far less...um...crappy than the sawdust bucket advocates.
Oh, and I asked the real estate guy about the humanure deal. It isn't legal, but I can't see how anyone would know you were doing it around here. Lot's of horses and other livestock out here....But then again, my neighbors don't strike me as the type of people who would be into that. Too many Don't tread on me and Marine Corps flags in my neck of the woods.
When we had our dairy farm, a friend of ours had a septic tank service.
We had a 325,000 gallon holding tank for the cow manure that came from the barns and feelot that we would pump out 2 times a year and apply on our crop land. We would let him "dump a load" into our system every now and then in exchange for a free pumpout or backhoe rental....
He couldn't do it too often, because of the EPA and state regs, but it saved him a 90 miles round trip to unload at an "approved" site....
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He couldn't do it too often, because of the EPA and state regs, but it saved him a 90 miles round trip to unload at an "approved" site....
was that 'cheating'? hrh
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I guess that they're clueless as to WHY the most recent outbreaks of e-coli happened. It was because of migrant workers taking dumps in the veggie fields. Untreated human waste is rife with bad bacteria. While plant will grow well in human excrement, they will also carry those evil bacteria. IF they found a way to treat it, then it would be OK. Then there's the ground water contamination issue. Powdered lime is a good way to sterilize any fecal matter. They really need to have some sort of background in animal husbandry or farming before they attempt to do absurd things like this.
It's complex, the risk of contamination is from incidental contact of the produce with the contaminated soil (Not just from falling on it, but from dust rising from the soil, rain spattering it upward, handling by contaminated hands, or even from flies or bugs walking on the soil then walking on the fruit) not actually transmission from the root through the plant stalk cells to the fruit. It would be virtually impossible to do safely with root vegetables or even ground-surface vegetables like cukes or melons.
It's extremely risky in terms of infection, this is a practice that only makes sense in an absolutely desperate attempt to wrest bare subsistence from a small and marginal plot of land. Still it is actually a lot less risky for the growers to eat the fruit than anyone else, because they were the origin of that particular strain or bacteria in the first place, so even rudimentary hygiene practices would generally protect them; not so for anyone with whom they might share the produce.
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was that 'cheating'? hrh
Only if you get caught :naughty: