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Current Events => Politics => Topic started by: 5412 on January 29, 2010, 10:54:20 PM
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Hi,
For many years I trained sales people in industry. One of the topics we discussed was earning the trust of others.
I would ask the question, "Have any of you ever had someone pay you, what you considered to be an insincere attempt at flattery?" Of course all hands would go up.
I would then ask how did you feel when it happened? The response was generally something like, "They must think I'm stupid to believe that....and they would resent it." Now my contention was that for most folks they would never, ever trust that person again because there was always something in their subconscious mind that kept warning them.
My contention is when Obama says things like, "The overwhelming evidence about global warming", or Pelosi talking about, "Americans are demanding we pass health care" they are doing the same thing. Senator Nelson here is Florida is loathed for this very reason.
The public is not stupid....but it is apparent to them that those uttering the remarks sure must think so. Do it often enough and people will tune you out and turn you off. That is what has happened to Obama with a lot of Americans.....along with all the libs making fun of the tea partiers etc.
Now contrast that with Palin. And yes, even George Bush. Not once did I ever feel he was lying to me and thinking I was stupid enough to believe him. That is why most folks dislike politicians, they lie to the public, the public knows they are lying and feel they are being taken for stupid and don't like it one bit.
When folks rank politicians below used car salespeople, the reason is insincerity. That is why someone like Palin comes across as quite the breath of fresh air.
Just thought I would pass along some of the stuff I used to teach as it made for a great dinner conversation tonight as we were waiting to go see Beck/O'Reilly.....which was terrific.
regards,
5412
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...Now contrast that with Palin. And yes, even George Bush. Not once did I ever feel he was lying to me and thinking I was stupid enough to believe him. That is why most folks dislike politicians, they lie to the public, the public knows they are lying and feel they are being taken for stupid and don't like it one bit...
I'd have to say that the couple of times I caught George W. bullshitting me were enough to completely destroy most of the trust he had built with me prior to that.
The first time I really picked up on it was with the phoney baloney reasoning he gave to ramrod through his amnesty for illegals bill. The other time was when he was proposing the original bailout: His claims amounted essentially to a necessity to destroy the free market system in order to "save the free market system", when what he was actually doing - intentionally or not - was laying the opening framework for the bald faced fascism that Obama took and ran with from the moment he hit the Oval Office.
At this point, I don't have to check out a window if President Bush were to tell me that the sun is rising in the east today, but I definitely wouldn't turn my back on the man.
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I'd have to say that the couple of times I caught George W. bullshitting me were enough to completely destroy most of the trust he had built with me prior to that.
The first time I really picked up on it was with the phoney baloney reasoning he gave to ramrod through his amnesty for illegals bill. The other time was when he was proposing the original bailout: His claims amounted essentially to a necessity to destroy the free market system in order to "save the free market system", when what he was actually doing - intentionally or not - was laying the opening framework for the bald faced fascism that Obama took and ran with from the moment he hit the Oval Office.
At this point, I don't have to check out a window if President Bush were to tell me that the sun is rising in the east today, but I definitely wouldn't turn my back on the man.
Hi,
I do not recally the amnesty issue. I thought he was sincere about the bail out even though I felt he was wrong. The story I understood was his advisors said they had to do that or face an entire financial collapse of the system and he believed them.
That, in no way, is to disagree with you because what is the important issue was how you felt, and just how easy it is to burn the trust bridge and the implication of that.
regards,
5412
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I'd have to say that the couple of times I caught George W. bullshitting me were enough to completely destroy most of the trust he had built with me prior to that.
The first time I really picked up on it was with the phoney baloney reasoning he gave to ramrod through his amnesty for illegals bill. The other time was when he was proposing the original bailout: His claims amounted essentially to a necessity to destroy the free market system in order to "save the free market system", when what he was actually doing - intentionally or not - was laying the opening framework for the bald faced fascism that Obama took and ran with from the moment he hit the Oval Office.
At this point, I don't have to check out a window if President Bush were to tell me that the sun is rising in the east today, but I definitely wouldn't turn my back on the man.
The difference between W and Obama INNSHO (In my not so humble opinion :-) ) was that W did what he thought was right for the country and Obama is doing what he thinks will bring us closer to socialism. No it doesn't excuse W for his mistakes but, I still respect the man.
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The difference between W and Obama INNSHO (In my not so humble opinion :-) ) was that W did what he thought was right for the country and Obama is doing what he thinks will bring us closer to socialism. No it doesn't excuse W for his mistakes but, I still respect the man.
Bush kept us safe for 7 1/2 years. It did not happen by accident; look what the fool in the WH is doing. Kissing our enemies ass and kicking our friends in the ass.
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There's also the proverbial smell of sulfur around them and the deranged look of evil in their eyes (Obomo/Pelosi) compared to the aura of joy and the sense of happiness around Gov. Palin and President Bush.
Evil is never content to rest. That is why democrats and their ilk give off a constant feeling of chaos and confusion.
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Hi,
I do not recally the amnesty issue. I thought he was sincere about the bail out even though I felt he was wrong. The story I understood was his advisors said they had to do that or face an entire financial collapse of the system and he believed them.
That, in no way, is to disagree with you because what is the important issue was how you felt, and just how easy it is to burn the trust bridge and the implication of that.
regards,
5412
You hit the nail on the head.
Bush kept us safe for 7 1/2 years. It did not happen by accident; look what the fool in the WH is doing. Kissing our enemies ass and kicking our friends in the ass.
Ditto.
The difference between W and Obama INNSHO (In my not so humble opinion :-) ) was that W did what he thought was right for the country and Obama is doing what he thinks will bring us closer to socialism. No it doesn't excuse W for his mistakes but, I still respect the man.
Ditto.
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Honestly I do have to say that back in 2003 the entire rationale for invading Iraq struck me at the time as being a fanciful construction of unbounded wild speculation and about an ounce of real but very inconclusive intelligence, I figured they must have had more but it turned out they really didn't. Still, it's one of those things like diving into water, once you start, you're committed. It did rid the world of one dictator who would have liked to be everything Bush, Powell and Rumsfeld painted him to be, so it wasn't a total loss. The only deception involved was self-deception by the leadership, though, not a willful misleading of the public, and the political strategy for handling the place after the main force military operations was equally based on wishful thinking. I hold none of that against G. W. Bush, the Democrats invested just as much belief into the information gulf that was Iraq as he and the GOP did, and however inappropirate and naive his political ideology proved for the actual situation on the ground (Shared as they were by the, umm, 'Adaptable' Colin Powell) they were at least sincerely-held beliefs about the world-wide power and appeal of Western-style secular democracy.
The Dems, on the other hand, always strike me as just plain intentionally lying to get to an undisclosed end of their own.
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I think the trust issue stems from our perception of what we believe these people fundamentally think about this country and their motivation for doing what they do. GWB, Palin, Reagan, etc. had/have a deep love and respect for America and her people and that this country stands as a beacon for all in the world. Therefore, in my opinion anyway, mistakes that were made were not done out of malice for America. However, O, Pelosi, Reid and a host of others don't see America in that way -- they see a place and a culture that was built on a false idea and want to break it down and re-shape it in their own vision of utopia. That's why I look at everything they do for underlying motives; I have absolutely no belief that they really love this country as it is!
Anyway, my 2 cents . . .
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I think the trust issue stems from our perception of what we believe these people fundamentally think about this country and their motivation for doing what they do. GWB, Palin, Reagan, etc. had/have a deep love and respect for America and her people and that this country stands as a beacon for all in the world. Therefore, in my opinion anyway, mistakes that were made were not done out of malice for America. However, O, Pelosi, Reid and a host of others don't see America in that way -- they see a place and a culture that was built on a false idea and want to break it down and re-shape it in their own vision of utopia. That's why I look at everything they do for underlying motives; I have absolutely no belief that they really love this country as it is!
Anyway, my 2 cents . . .
Correct. Obama apology tour still sticks in my craw. I think he is of the same mindset as that g.d. preacher of his. You do not sit in a church for 20 years and not let some of that anti-American rhetoric rub off on your dumb ass.
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Correct. Obama apology tour still sticks in my craw. I think he is of the same mindset as that g.d. preacher of his. You do not sit in a church for 20 years and not let some of that anti-American rhetoric rub off on your dumb ass.
My pastor's a great guy, but he's a freakin' liberal in thought, word and deed. :whatever:
His sermon on Sunday actually argued the point that, if your pastor says something that you just don't agree with, that you just don't walk out. That simply doesn't happen. If it were to happen, the freakin' church would be empty all the time. Therefore, it's perfectly understandable that Obama didn't leave the church.
My pastor fails to understand that Wright's steady diet of "God Damn America" wasn't just a one-time deal. His entire approach and demeanor is patterned that way.
Just a few years ago, in Ohio, Mrs E and I went through an entire new member's class in another Presbyterian church just to bail out before joining. Why? The liberal rhetoric of the pastor.
After awhile, it gets old. I want to hear the word of God, interpreted by the pastor, rather than a discourse about some asshole racist in Chicago damning America.