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Current Events => General Discussion => Topic started by: Chris on January 29, 2010, 09:05:29 PM
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A Jury in Wichita, Kansas reached the verdict after only a few minutes of deliberation. A quick jury is often a bad sign for a defendant. The jury did indeed find him guilty of first degree murder.
Scott Roeder was charged with murder in the death of Dr. George Tiller, who was shot to death May 31 in the church Tiller attended in Wichita, Kansas.
Prosecutor Ann Swegle urged jurors to convict Roeder, reminding the jury of the defendant's testimony Thursday. He took the stand in his own defense.
"I do not" Roder answered when asked if he disputed any of the state's evidence. "No, I don't" He answered when asked if he regretted what he did.
"Scott Roeder is not justified," she continued. "He is only and simply guilty of the crimes he is charged with."
http://www.examiner.com/x-33854-Portland-Liberal-Examiner~y2010m1d29-Jury-reaches-verdict-in-murder-trial-of-abortion-doctor--guilty-of-1st-degree-murder
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Oddly, I'm not the least bit distressed to see either Roeder or Tiller meet their fates.
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Yup. I wasn't going to post this in Breaking News because it's not, but I figured it should at least get a passing mention.
Apparently, the jury took less than 30 minutes to deliberate.
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Oddly, I'm not the least bit distressed to see either Roeder or Tiller meet their fates.
Maybe it's just apathy on my part, but I don't see what's so odd about that...
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A thousand witnesses and a complete confession and they found him guilty? What is this world coming to?
Jury tampering. Uh-huh. Plain and simple.
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If you truly felt that the law failed to protect the least vulnerable among us, would you take a life to protect the lives of innocents? Let's say your wife or your daughter was going in to see Tiller to have your unborn child's brains sucked out, how far would you go to protect the life of that child? When I really start thinking about what would motivate someone to take another's life, the urge to protect a vulnerable family member is pretty high on that list. Sorry, I know Roeder did wrong and should be punished, but I also can understand the frame of mind that might drive someone to take extreme measures.
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A thousand witnesses and a complete confession and they found him guilty? What is this world coming to?
Jury tampering. Uh-huh. Plain and simple.
Good thing Simpson didn't have this jury.
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If you truly felt that the law failed to protect the least vulnerable among us, would you take a life to protect the lives of innocents? Let's say your wife or your daughter was going in to see Tiller to have your unborn child's brains sucked out, how far would you go to protect the life of that child? When I really start thinking about what would motivate someone to take another's life, the urge to protect a vulnerable family member is pretty high on that list. Sorry, I know Roeder did wrong and should be punished, but I also can understand the frame of mind that might drive someone to take extreme measures.
While I could kill someone in defense of my children, I'd say if your wife or daughter were going to Tiller to have their third trimester child aborted you have even more problems than your child/grandchild's brains being sucked out. While I find Tiller disgusting I can't twist it around to make it a scenario where I could understand killing him. I would hope I would instill in my child that life was sacred and that abortion is murder. If I haven't then I have failed big time.
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While I could kill someone in defense of my children, I'd say if your wife or daughter were going to Tiller to have their third trimester child aborted you have even more problems than your child/grandchild's brains being sucked out. While I find Tiller disgusting I can't twist it around to make it a scenario where I could understand killing him. I would hope I would instill in my child that life was sacred and that abortion is murder. If I haven't then I have failed big time.
When you compare gratuitous premeditated slaughter of innocent life in the womb with the premeditated murder of a doctor who performed such deeds, I guess they are about the same except for the sheer numbers involved. I will not weep for him and I am frankly glad that he is worm food. To me, he lived by the sword and died by the sword. Had he been a meek and mild tempered accountant, he would have probably lived to a ripe old age.
I am a mean son of a gun tonight. :evillaugh:
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When you compare gratuitous premeditated slaughter of innocent life in the womb with the premeditated murder of a doctor who performed such deeds, I guess they are about the same except for the sheer numbers involved. I will not weep for him and I am frankly glad that he is worm food. To me, he lived by the sword and died by the sword. Had he been a meek and mild tempered accountant, he would have probably lived to a ripe old age.
I am a mean son of a gun tonight. :evillaugh:
I do not weep for him, I just couldn't kill him. Like I said above, if your wife or child is having a late term abortion I think you have HUGE problems (you would have HUGE problems because then you would be a lesbian and would no longer flirt with the mens. :p ). It would mean you really don't know your wife and or you haven't taught your child right from wrong. Tiller got his in the end, no matter how he died.
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I looked up the State of Kansas' laws on the death penalty. The former governor, Kathleen Sebelius upheld her state's right to follow through with capital punishment. Not surprising considering she was one of Doctor Tiller's biggest fans, but I was hoping for some irony in her proclaiming it was a barbaric and primitive practice like liberals usually do. It looks like Mr. Roeder may be eligible for the death penalty. Maybe the citizens of Kansas will consider the service he performed on behalf of anyone within driving distance of one of Tiller's offices and grant him a life sentence instead.
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I looked up the State of Kansas' laws on the death penalty. The former governor, Kathleen Sebelius upheld her state's right to follow through with capital punishment. Not surprising considering she was one of Doctor Tiller's biggest fans, but I was hoping for some irony in her proclaiming it was a barbaric and primitive practice like liberals usually do. It looks like Mr. Roeder may be eligible for the death penalty. Maybe the citizens of Kansas will consider the service he performed on behalf of anyone within driving distance of one of Tiller's offices and grant him a life sentence instead.
According to the news report - take it for what it's worth, I know - I heard today, the most he's up for is life in prison, and eligible for release in 25. The prosecutor seems intent to ask to have that eligibility pushed to 50 years, but that seems as much a crap shoot as anything else in this world does.
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He's a stone's throw away from collecting Social Security... I doubt any leniency he would receive would make a bit of difference.
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I do not weep for him, I just couldn't kill him. Like I said above, if your wife or child is having a late term abortion I think you have HUGE problems (you would have HUGE problems because then you would be a lesbian and would no longer flirt with the mens. :p ). It would mean you really don't know your wife and or you haven't taught your child right from wrong. Tiller got his in the end, no matter how he died.
Oh I think it could be your son's girlfriend (whom you had no part in raising) who was doing this out of sheer spite for your son and there would be nothing he could do to prevent it. Actually, I've been thinking a lot about why people would abort, especially late term healthy babies. I think in those cases it is a woman's triumph to "get back" at the fathers. I do think abortion is a power thing.... how sick is that.
And when I say you and your, I am not talking about you and yours...ok?
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Oh I think it could be your son's girlfriend (whom you had no part in raising) who was doing this out of sheer spite for your son and there would be nothing he could do to prevent it. Actually, I've been thinking a lot about why people would abort, especially late term healthy babies. I think in those cases it is a woman's triumph to "get back" at the fathers. I do think abortion is a power thing.... how sick is that.
And when I say you and your, I am not talking about you and yours...ok?
As much as it would make me sick if she were to do something like that, I still could not kill the abortion doctor and I don't think you could either.
Why no comment on you being a lesbian? :p
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And just to set the record straight.
(1). Murder is wrong. CHECK.
(2). I can comprehend the motivation to kill someone if you thought by killing them, you would save innocent life. That doesn't mean I would actually kill someone or condone killing someone. CHECK.
(3). I don't believe in taking the law into your own hands. CHECK.
(4). I have never, nor will I ever, willfully get another woman pregnant. CHECK (I always use protection :p )
Waiting for BEG's rebuttal! Sorry I ever said anything, I hate when she lectures me. LOL..... :-)
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And just to set the record straight.
(1). Murder is wrong. CHECK.
(2). I can comprehend the motivation to kill someone if you thought by killing them, you would save innocent life. That doesn't mean I would actually kill someone or condone killing someone. CHECK.
(3). I don't believe in taking the law into your own hands. CHECK.
(4). I have never, nor will I ever, willfully get another woman pregnant. CHECK (I always use protection :p )
Waiting for BEG's rebuttal! Sorry I ever said anything, I hate when she lectures me. LOL..... :-)
:lmao:
Hey wait, haven't you already been fixed?
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To me, he lived by the sword and died by the sword. Had he been a meek and mild tempered accountant, he would have probably lived to a ripe old age.
I am a mean son of a gun tonight. :evillaugh:
That he did. No matter how he died, and he taunted all that's good and decent beforehand, he was not going to rest in peace. Then again, I see his death not really so much murder as destruction of a demon in a human suit. He was nothing but a licensed serial killer.
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:lmao:
Hey wait, haven't you already been fixed?
I am one of those special people with both parts. :lmao:
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I am one of those special people with both parts. :lmao:
You will have to show me your "other" part sometime. :naughty:
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While I could kill someone in defense of my children, I'd say if your wife or daughter were going to Tiller to have their third trimester child aborted you have even more problems than your child/grandchild's brains being sucked out. While I find Tiller disgusting I can't twist it around to make it a scenario where I could understand killing him. I would hope I would instill in my child that life was sacred and that abortion is murder. If I haven't then I have failed big time.
I'm going to have to go with Schade here. While I can't see myself doing something like this, I can see the rational behind it. By taking one life you could save many...
I think I may have watched Boondock Saints one to many times :p
I don't condone Roeder's actions, but I can see the rational behind them.
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That he did. No matter how he died, and he taunted all that's good and decent beforehand, he was not going to rest in peace. Then again, I see his death not really so much murder as destruction of a demon in a human suit. He was nothing but a licensed serial killer.
I'm right there with you. It's really hard for me to see Tiller as anything less than a monster.
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Roeder may be guilty of murder, but compared to Tiller's career the jury may as well have convicted him of jaywalking.
Tiller got what he deserved. I have no sympathy for the man.
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You will have to show me your "other" part sometime. :naughty:
CHECK. :evillaugh:
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I'm going to have to go with Schade here. While I can't see myself doing something like this, I can see the rational behind it. By taking one life you could save many...
I think I may have watched Boondock Saints one to many times :p
I don't condone Roeder's actions, but I can see the rational behind them.
There will always be someone to take his place, there already is. Meet Dr. LeRoy Carhart Link from Newsweek (http://www.newsweek.com/id/212017)
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I'm going to have to go with Schade here. While I can't see myself doing something like this, I can see the rational behind it. By taking one life you could save many...
I think I may have watched Boondock Saints one to many times :p
I don't condone Roeder's actions, but I can see the rational behind them.
You stated it much better than me. It has been a bloody awful exhausted mess of a week this week, I can hardly see straight and I get waterboarded by BEG on my first post. :-)
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CHECK. :evillaugh:
oh my
where does the line start?
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I didn't say I had sympathy for the man. I am not trying to offend but unless you could physically do what Scott Roeder did then I don't think you can say you TRULY understand his frame of mind. It's easy to sit on the bleachers and cheer him on, it's another thing to do it yourself.
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You stated it much better than me. It has been a bloody awful exhausted mess of a week this week, I can hardly see straight and I get waterboarded by BEG on my first post. :-)
You didn't preface your post and inform me to treat you gently. If you did I wouldn't have waterboarded you. :-)
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You ladies are too much. Really. Can I bring a video camera, or is this strictly still photography only?
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I didn't say I had sympathy for the man. I am not trying to offend but unless you could physically do what Scott Roeder did then I don't think you can say you TRULY understand his frame of mind. It's easy to sit on the bleachers and cheer him on, it's another thing to do it yourself.
I think what I am saying is murder is murder, but I can comprehend and to some extent defend Roeder's rationale over that of say Tiller's. I can also understand why a soldier might kill a combatant when I know they are crushing evil even if I think I might be unable to grab arms and kill someone.
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I think what I am saying is murder is murder, but I can comprehend and to some extent defend Roeder's rationale over that of say Tiller's. I can also understand why a soldier might kill a combatant when I know they are crushing evil even if I think I might be unable to grab arms and kill someone.
OK I get your point. I just think he hurt the cause much more than he helped.
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You didn't preface your post and inform me to treat you gently. If you did I wouldn't have waterboarded you. :-)
I am with Chris, you are really too much tonight! :lmao:
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OK I get your point. I just think he hurt the cause much more than he helped.
Oh yeah, I can totally agree with that.
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If this happens with increasing frequency no one is going to volunteer to kill off babies anymore. I already think that these men and women that do this are sociopaths. They would really have to be insane to know they are on hit lists and still do it.