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Current Events => Politics => Topic started by: The Village Idiot on January 21, 2010, 01:37:16 PM
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[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8Y2sAdDw98[/youtube]
bend over.
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So he seems to think we can cover more people without raising taxes or screwing everyone over.
This is bad how, exactly?
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So he seems to think we can cover more people without raising taxes or screwing everyone over.
This is bad how, exactly?
Not governments job.
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True--but consider he also voted in favor of Romneycare. I don't like it, but there it is.
Oh, and he's not taking the Democrat's side...
http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cfm?docID=cqmidday-000003281961
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True--but consider he also voted in favor of Romneycare. I don't like it, but there it is.
Oh, and he's not taking the Democrat's side...
http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cfm?docID=cqmidday-000003281961
I never said he was taking Dem's side.
RomneyCare is ObamaCare with a different name.
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Nor am I arguing that--I'm not a big fan of the fact he voted for Romneycare. But what's important is that he's not going to roll over and be a Dem-Lite, either.
HCR can be done on in a smart manner which doesn't socialize our healthcare system. I think Brown is aiming towards that end.
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^I do too. Any direction AWAY from Pelosicare is a good thing IMO. We have to start somewhere fighting this.
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It was too short of a clip, and I think it was shortened on purpose just to agitate the conservatives. Who knows, maybe he brought up points about tort reform, allowing insurance companies across state lines, stopping mandatory coverage or other things.
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I don't want them screwing with it at all. That's all we've heard from the Democrats ... "Where is YOUR plan?" WHY do we need a plan at all?
I'm with FGL, not governments job.
KC
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I don't want them screwing with it at all. That's all we've heard from the Democrats ... "Where is YOUR plan?" WHY do we need a plan at all?
I'm with FGL, not governments job.
KC
The republicans did put forth plans, but the MSM ignored them. They even tried to get some of their points added to the Pelosi and Reid bills and were shot down every time. Most of their plans consisted of the things I mentioned, which are geared to a freer market for insurance.
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The republicans did put forth plans, but the MSM ignored them. They even tried to get some of their points added to the Pelosi and Reid bills and were shot down every time. Most of their plans consisted of the things I mentioned, which are geared to a freer market for insurance.
Lets just remember he voted for RomneyCare
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Lets just remember he voted for RomneyCare
But, during his campaign he also pointed out how so many taxes had to be raised to pay for RomneyCare. Maybe he has learned from that. I had earlier in another thread said that he may be another RINO, so I'm willing to see how he votes. Of course, I'd expect to see him vote in a way that pleases his constituency, not conservatives all the time. Killing 0BamaCare, Cap & Tax would be a good start, though.
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But, during his campaign he also pointed out how so many taxes had to be raised to pay for RomneyCare. Maybe he has learned from that. I had earlier in another thread said that he may be another RINO, so I'm willing to see how he votes. Of course, I'd expect to see him vote in a way that pleases his constituency, not conservatives all the time. Killing 0BamaCare, Cap & Tax would be a good start, though.
Let me ask you a question. Let's say they get the best healthcare plan in the world set up and the taxes aren't raised one iota. 10 years down the road they start seeing they can no longer keep that plan without an increase in taxes .... how the hell can I get out of it if there are no competing insurance companies left?
That is what scares the hell out of me. Once they have it going they will be able to do what ever they want and you won't be able to stop them. Do you think they would cut services to keep the cost from having to be passed on to the tax payers. Nope, once it's in, the country won't let them cut services.
KC
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Let me ask you a question. Let's say they get the best healthcare plan in the world set up and the taxes aren't raised one iota. 10 years down the road they start seeing they can no longer keep that plan without an increase in taxes .... how the hell can I get out of it if there are no competing insurance companies left?
That is what scares the hell out of me. Once they have it going they will be able to do what ever they want and you won't be able to stop them. Do you think they would cut services to keep the cost from having to be passed on to the tax payers. Nope, once it's in, the country won't let them cut services.
KC
That is why so many people do NOT want any sort of government run insurance, at least that is why I don't want it. That is also why I can't see why the insurance companies got in bed with 0Bama on this plan.
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Note that the you tube clip has ron paul tags on it -- nice due diligence on his commentary.
Here is the entire press conference --
http://www.c-span.org/Watch/Media/2010/01/20/HP/A/28715/SenatorElect+Scott+Brown+Press+Briefing.aspx
Short version, let the states do it, sure the feds can offer guidance, but the states should do it. He pretty much throughout the entire press conference stated his job is to represent MA and their best interests.
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That is also why I can't see why the insurance companies got in bed with 0Bama on this plan.
I personally think they did that to kill the legislation. I think they knew that it would be unconstitutional, the moonbat base would go into a frenzy, and it muddied the waters so bad that nobody knew what was going on and they would take the simple route of killing it. I think they may have played the democrats greed against them.
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Lets just remember he voted for RomneyCare
Explain Romneycare to me.
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Note that the you tube clip has ron paul tags on it -- nice due diligence on his commentary.
Here is the entire press conference --
http://www.c-span.org/Watch/Media/2010/01/20/HP/A/28715/SenatorElect+Scott+Brown+Press+Briefing.aspx
Short version, let the states do it, sure the feds can offer guidance, but the states should do it. He pretty much throughout the entire press conference stated his job is to represent MA and their best interests.
I heard him say this morning that he is for "states rights" when it comes to the healthcare debate, he also mentioned that tort reform should be a part of any "reform".....as an aside, he commented that he did not think that "waterboarding" is torture......
So far I like what I hear from him, and further, I am realistic enough to accept the fact that a Republican from MA is likely not going to be as conservative as one from Alabama........he does represent the people in his state after all.
doc
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Jeez Louise.
Some "true conservatives" are doing everything in their power to take this guy down. I don't understand it. Show me another senator--or candidate--from Massachusetts who is even CLOSE to this guy.
He's there to represent Massachusetts. He's there to be the 41st vote against this health care abomination.
Panties are getting bunched here, and I'm not exactly sure why.
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Jeez Louise.
Some "true conservatives" are doing everything in their power to take this guy down. I don't understand it. Show me another senator--or candidate--from Massachusetts who is even CLOSE to this guy.
He's there to represent Massachusetts. He's there to be the 41st vote against this health care abomination.
Panties are getting bunched here, and I'm not exactly sure why.
Psssst...he accepted the Republican banner.
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I personally think they did that to kill the legislation. I think they knew that it would be unconstitutional, the moonbat base would go into a frenzy, and it muddied the waters so bad that nobody knew what was going on and they would take the simple route of killing it. I think they may have played the democrats greed against them.
I tend to think it was more like what Smith & Wesson did with Clinton, they were trying to find a bomb shelter so they could come out of it with at least something left. It didn't work out so well for S&W, nobody but a police department would buy a new gun from them for years after that blunder.
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I heard him say what TVDoc said. I like him.
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Psssst...he accepted the Republican banner.
And he's more conservative than many under that Republican banner already.
I'm just saying that maybe we need to let the guy move into his office and get business cards printed before we run him out on a rail for not meeting our personal conservative benchmarks.
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And he's more conservative than many under that Republican banner already.
I'm just saying that maybe we need to let the guy move into his office and get business cards printed before we run him out on a rail for not meeting our personal conservative benchmarks.
Agreed......
doc
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I'm not cutting the guy down at all. Everything I've seen out of him has been fine by me but I don't live in his state. If we were talking about a presidential run then I would be scrutinizing him more.
I'm just glad he broke the democrate super majority. That made my month!
KC
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Jeez Louise.
Some "true conservatives" are doing everything in their power to take this guy down. I don't understand it. Show me another senator--or candidate--from Massachusetts who is even CLOSE to this guy.
He's there to represent Massachusetts. He's there to be the 41st vote against this health care abomination.
Panties are getting bunched here, and I'm not exactly sure why.
because they are a bunch of whiny ****ing libertarian bitches who'd rather cry about 'true conservatives' than fight the enemy at hand- Obama and his administration. They're still sucking Rpaul's cock and spouting talking points from Stormfront.
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and if the states don't want to do it? I am sure the left will think of a way to force them.
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and if the states don't want to do it? I am sure the left will think of a way to force them.
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What in the heck does that have to do with your clip?
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because they are a bunch of whiny ****ing libertarian bitches who'd rather cry about 'true conservatives' than fight the enemy at hand- Obama and his administration. They're still sucking Rpaul's cock and spouting talking points from Stormfront.
Conservatives attacking Conservatives... C'mon.
Nothing wrong with pointing out the guy's record. It is cause for concern; denying that, IMHO, is just as concerning. He's one helluva lot more conservative than the alternative, broke the stronghold on the seat that I personally never thought would happen. But assuming he's going to live up to all of the campaign promises is also naive. As has been said, let's see what he does, then judge the success or failure of this election.
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What in the heck does that have to do with your clip?
Its not MY clip. I just thought it was interesting,
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Its not MY clip. I just thought it was interesting,
It was put up by a Ron Paul supporter with a curious cherry picking of a quote which was taken completely out of context.
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It was put up by a Ron Paul supporter with a curious cherry picking of a quote which was taken completely out of context.
Forget it, FL--they're rolling.
Guy hasn't even been sworn in and he's already a RINO. Even I have to cringe at the knee-jerk bullshit.
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Forget it, FL--they're rolling.
Guy hasn't even been sworn in and he's already a RINO. Even I have to cringe at the knee-jerk bullshit.
I think that goes both ways, Sparky. People are pissed - (almost) every "republican" who campaigns on concervative principals ends up as a RINO. So there is a lot of cynicism out there, and rightfully so, IMHO. So the question becomes, do you give the guy the benefit of the doubt, and believe he'll maintain his campaign promises, even though that's likely statistically foolish, or do you take a more cynical (realistic?) approach and expect that he won't maintain promises? Six of one, half a dozen of the other... Some people get that tingly feeling up their leg about Brown... others are skeptical. Who's right?
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I think that goes both ways, Sparky. People are pissed - (almost) every "republican" who campaigns on concervative principals ends up as a RINO. So there is a lot of cynicism out there, and rightfully so, IMHO. So the question becomes, do you give the guy the benefit of the doubt, and believe he'll maintain his campaign promises, even though that's likely statistically foolish, or do you take a more cynical (realistic?) approach and expect that he won't maintain promises? Six of one, half a dozen of the other... Some people get that tingly feeling up their leg about Brown... others are skeptical. Who's right?
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Speaking of tingly feelings....here's Mr. Brown going au naturale for Cosmo back in the day. :-)
(http://www.cosmopolitan.com/cm/cosmopolitan/images/Ti/Scott-Brown-new3.jpg)
Ok, carry on. :popcorn:
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I think that goes both ways, Sparky. People are pissed - (almost) every "republican" who campaigns on Conservative principals ends up as a RINO. So there is a lot of cynicism out there, and rightfully so, IMHO. So the question becomes, do you give the guy the benefit of the doubt, and believe he'll maintain his campaign promises, even though that's likely statistically foolish, or do you take a more cynical (realistic?) approach and expect that he won't maintain promises? Six of one, half a dozen of the other... Some people get that tingly feeling up their leg about Brown... others are skeptical. Who's right?
I suspect that most of us are willing to give Brown the benefit of the doubt, until his voting record proves otherwise.
Let us never forget that politics is the art of "what is possible", therefore, we are never going to see a congress, or likely even a majority that is "ideologically pure" from our perspective.......hell, we can't even agree on that concept between ourselves. With the wide variation in political views, and personal motivations of voters across the country, we are always going to have to deal with a certain amount of compromise when it comes to what is "possible" to use that word again.
To get stuck in ideological purity, as it applies to a particular candidate or politician, is somewhat an exercise in futility, as they are all subject to the values imprinted on them by their constituencies, and when they get to DC, this is compounded by the pressures brought about by the agenda of the party leadership........these factors are not going to change.....and how we deal with them in the long run, will determine our ultimate success or failure as a political movement.......
By demanding purity, we become just as "stuck on stupid" as the DUmmies are, and allowng that to drive our daily lives, will make us just as frustrated and unhappy as they are.......this is not our goal, personal or political.....individual freedom and happiness are......
doc
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I think that goes both ways, Sparky. People are pissed - (almost) every "republican" who campaigns on concervative principals ends up as a RINO.
Oh, horseshit.
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Speaking of tingly feelings....here's Mr. Brown going au naturale for Cosmo back in the day. :-)
(http://www.cosmopolitan.com/cm/cosmopolitan/images/Ti/Scott-Brown-new3.jpg)
Ok, carry on. :popcorn:
heh. Trouble maker. :uhsure:
I like your style! :cheersmate:
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Speaking of tingly feelings....here's Mr. Brown going au naturale for Cosmo back in the day. :-)
(http://www.cosmopolitan.com/cm/cosmopolitan/images/Ti/Scott-Brown-new3.jpg)
Ok, carry on. :popcorn:
woa! he's a little hairy, but i'd have to be really cranky to kick him out of bed. I got your healthcare, right here, baby. :naughty:
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How do I put someone on ignore??
seriously.
:o :o :o :o
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How do I put someone on ignore??
seriously.
:o :o :o :o
Go to your profile, click on the left hand sidebar, ignore options, type in "SherryBaby" :lmao:
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Go to your profile, click on the left hand sidebar, ignore options, type in "SherryBaby" :lmao:
:rotf:
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I think that goes both ways, Sparky. People are pissed - (almost) every "republican" who campaigns on concervative principals ends up as a RINO.
And of course you have something to back this up right?
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And of course you have something to back this up right?
Yeah... it's called 8 years of gov't growth under the Bush admin, 6 with full GOP control. If that's not enough evidence of abandoned fiscal conservatism, then I can't help you. :whatever:
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Speaking of tingly feelings....here's Mr. Brown going au naturale for Cosmo back in the day. :-)
(http://www.cosmopolitan.com/cm/cosmopolitan/images/Ti/Scott-Brown-new3.jpg)
Ok, carry on. :popcorn:
LOL -- H5
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Go to your profile, click on the left hand sidebar, ignore options, type in "SherryBaby" :lmao:
Is there a way to turn off images in posts?
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Is there a way to turn off images in posts?
You turned on an image?! Really?!
:p
KC
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:rotf:
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You turned on an image?! Really?!
:p
KC
i do not need to see the rhino of a RINO is all
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i do not need to see the rhino of a RINO is all
LOL.
KC
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You know I am glad that Scott Brown won. The monkey wrench was tossed into the Omachine and the widget production line has temporarily halted. This is how I see Browns election, nothing more at this time.
My point... we need to see what they actually do next, on both sides. A technical victory that gives us a tactical advantage does not mean that the Messiah as arrived like some of the idiots out there believe when they suggest Brown run for President.... please spare me.
I may not share the same enthusiasm as some Republicans... but thats right I am not a Republican. Forgive me for being a Three Percenter that is a Constitutionalists (Disclaimer: no I do not follow Paul he is libertarian do not confuse us.). I need time to see what Brown will do, I need time to see what the Republicans will do with this new found tool. I am looking for the reformation of the Party before I even start to get all warm and fuzzy inside. At the moment I am still holding on strong to my AR-15 looking over my back for the boot thats about to get shoved up my rear.
As to Brown and his comments... sorry but I do not see the White Knight in shining armor. He voted for Romney care and that hurt Mass's checkbook and the taxpayer. I do believe that we need to adjust some things such as insurance companies should be allowed to sell across state lines. There are free market adjustments that can help the system while not burdening the taxpayer and also not increasing the national debt. When I compare the constitutional values and the free market system to what Brown voted for, Im sorry but I am not impressed.
Time will tell. Until then, a technical victory with a very nice monkey wrench.
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heh. Trouble maker. :uhsure:
I like your style! :cheersmate:
This is the first time I have seen this picture - connected to Scott Brown the candidate.
I do remember when Cosmo printed this picture!!!
He made a whole bunch of women tingle....and it wasn't down our leg... :naughty:
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Speaking of tingly feelings....here's Mr. Brown going au naturale for Cosmo back in the day. :-)
Ok, carry on. :popcorn:
I thought you said you didn't have any pictures of me anymore!
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Nor am I arguing that--I'm not a big fan of the fact he voted for Romneycare. But what's important is that he's not going to roll over and be a Dem-Lite, either.
HCR can be done on in a smart manner which doesn't socialize our healthcare system. I think Brown is aiming towards that end.
Time will tell.
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And of course you have something to back this up right?
And of course you have something to rebutt his statement right?
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Yeah... it's called 8 years of gov't growth under the Bush admin, 6 with full GOP control. If that's not enough evidence of abandoned fiscal conservatism, then I can't help you. :whatever:
The "broken glass" crowd is alive and well in both parites it seems.