:???: :confused:
Jeeze, give it a rest already, you're starting to sound like a DUer playing the race card.
Why? Why not point out the facts? What are you afraid of?
All the dems called Obama's election as a referendum... GOP claimed that was crap. Now they're claming this is a referendum. You don't see the irony in that at all? :rotf:
Nothing on the internet, that's for damn' sure. I just think you're making kind of a fool of yourself with the incessant GOP bashing, and I'm trying to reel you back in from the edge. But suit yourself.
Like I said a long time ago, I'm not a Republican. I'm a conservative. Seems people here, on CONSERVATIVE cave, get a little senstive about the GOP.
You and I will have to disagree. I think it's foolish to support the GOP with the trackrecord they have, you think it's foolish that I don't. :shrug:
MSB - I agree. But we're also learning more about Mr. Brown. For now, it's a could be a tactical win, and a very important one. And it's a huge message to the MA state gov't. But it remains to be seen if he will stick to his campaign promises.
Unlike others, I will not go celebrate in the streets - the war has not been won. It hasn't even started.
You are entitled to your opinion but it does seem that you are almost miffed that this happened.
Not saying you prefer to have a Kennedy clone but that you have spent all day dissing Brown seems to be more because he won under the (despised by you) banner of the Republican party then some break away 3rd party.
Maybe you just want to sit on the sideline no matter what happens and complain too.
Not miffed at all. Just find it utterly hilarious how the Right bitches about the Left's spin... and then does the exact same thing.
Sit on sideline.. :lmao:
Not miffed at all. Just find it utterly hilarious how the Right bitches about the Left's spin... and then does the exact same thing.
Sit on sideline.. :lmao:
It's not a spin. The entire women's glass ceiling, Coakley's campaign did this to themselves, yada yada is all damage control. This is MA. Statewide election for federal seat = Democrat victory. Period. Witness John Kerry -- the biggest elitist bore this commonwealth has ever seen. Zero personality. Conducts his campaigns pretty much step for step how Coakley did her campaign. Wins in a landslide again and again.
The Democrats and unenrolled (which you would refer to as Independents) had quite enough of Obamacare and the super majority. They did this. You don't get 1.1 million folks to head out in a snow/ice storm to stand in line to vote for Brown because Coakley ran a bad campaign. That explanation is not only lame as all get out, it is incredibly ignorant.
Message sent to the country from non-conservatives. See the folks that the "real conservatves" take great lengths to make snarky comments about, accomplished what the "real conservatives" could not do. They are the changemakers. You are not.
Carl nailed it with the whining on the sidelines comment. Ya ain't happy unless you are complaining.
I concur with the last statement - agree. Which, to my point, is very similar to statements made about McCain/Obama.
I never claimed to be a change maker... :confused:
Still don't get the sidelines comment. Is that because I'm not from MA? Seriously, it makes no sense.
Republicans are always saying to NOT act like the left. And now that's exactly what they(we) are doing. No one sees irony in the fact that it's all spun around a perspective. Oh well. :shrug:
Hmmm. I'm a Conservative and I haven't been real happy with the GOP. I make a lot snarky comments about them but I know which side of the toast my butters on. By which I mean, I too realize that Conservatives don't make up the majority of the American electorate.
But damn. I'll take what I can get. So I'm happy that the self proclaimed moderate Republican won. And if it pisses off the lefties...then sure, it was a referendum on Uncle'bom.
But I'm still not sending the GOP any dough. I'll just keep supporting individual Conservative candidates one by one. Sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't.
Eventually we'll get it right.
I don't think it is a valid comparison to compare a senate race in a deep blue state where Republicans very rarely win, to a presidential campaign.
No, you just like tocomplainmake observations about things. I was just making an observation.
There are two kinds of people in the world. Those who bitch from the sidelines, and those who go about fixing the problem/issue - being a part of the solution. Your "why vote GOP back in" thread is pretty much testament to that.
Oh poor you. I would consider buying this passive aggressive bullshit if you made your "observations" about ten days or so when Brown starting surging n the polls and pretty much every single article and comment here involved this surge is directly related to independents being disenchanted with Obama, Obamacare and the super majority. You waited until Brown actually pulled of a win -- you are clearly the one who is annoyed.
Like I said, i think you have a point...... I just think the predictability is entertaining.
I would tend to agree. Those that sit from the sidelines are the ones doing nothing to promote conservative candidates... they prefer the GOP candidate.
I have no idea what the fawk you're talking about there. And BTW... it's hard to note that the GOP/Pundits are pulling the same thing the DNC/PUndits did at the in 08 until AFTER the election. Funny how that works. :hammer: For the last time, I'm not annoyed at anything...
And BTW - I'm been traveling almost non-stop during the election phase, so if you're honestly going to say my comments are not "buyable" because I haven't been posting, then you win the funny of the day. :rotf:
Wow... you know me so well. You're being a whiner now.
Sad that you can't have a conversation about the fact that this happens EVERY election w/o getting all butthurt over it. Sheesh. You want to be right? Fine... you're right. Congratulations. Feel better? :whatever:
Gotta ask.
From what I've heard and read of this lady, she was horrible. Did the Dem's throw this like the GOP did with McCain?
...I grew up on Cape Cod, born just a mile or so away from the Kennedy Compound, my last property on the Cape was closer still then that, sold it just 5 years ago - for Mass to elect a Republican, of any credentials, for the first time in my 37 years is a true feat. For Conservatives to squander the opportunity would be a huge mistake.
This is my concern. I'm afraid that the GOP will mistakenly interpret this signal and move forward as it was a referendum FOR the GOP. This would bode poorly for ALL Conservatives and Patriots. The GOP needs to run clean campaigns like Scott Brown did (as far as I've seen) and stuff the Liberals in the dirt. I'm not real happy with a "moderate Conservative", though. However, for Mass., this is a significant statement by the people. I just don't want the GOP to get all crazy and shit just because of this victory. IMO, an ideal makeup of the Senate would be 50 of one party, 50 of another and 1 of a third. That way, if anything actually got done, it would be in the best interest of the PEOPLE.
Not miffed at all. Just find it utterly hilarious how the Right bitches about the Left's spin... and then does the exact same thing.
Sit on sideline.. :lmao:
I'm not sure what tv channels you are watching...but the only one's I've heard talking about a referendum on anyone's presidency...either positive or negative have been the Libs and their talking heads in the MSM.
Maybe you need to turn down the volume on the voices in your head...they're getting you confused.
Wow... you know me so well. You're being a whiner now.
Sad that you can't have a conversation about the fact that this happens EVERY election w/o getting all butthurt over it. Sheesh. You want to be right? Fine... you're right. Congratulations. Feel better? :whatever:
How about taking an honest look at your own agenda BKG.
If Scott Brown had won as an independent would you have been seeking out every election thread to throw snark on yesterday?
Seems that since he carried the (R) banner you have to try to diminish the achievement.
A look of your posts will show my point.
He ran a campaign that sounded pretty conservative,he stuck to that in his acceptance speech and after.
He beat a Kennedy clone in a liberal state..it should have been the perfect scenario yet all you have done is find fault or say "maybe he isn`t all that conservative".
In this case the GOP did what we all suggested in your thread,they supported a conservative candidate and he utilized the party apparatus at his disposal.
A perfect solution I would think and even won over Independents.
You live to bash the GOP...fine,be honest about it and be ready for people to call you on your childish antics.
My opinion is that sooner or later you are itching for a rant.."All you are just blind (sinister pause) REPUBLICANS and I can`t accept or be a part of a place that isn`t as conservative (patting chest) as I am".
In your other thread about convincing you to vote GOP it took all of 5 or 6 posts to get you there.
I stand by my statement that all you want to do is complain and pretend you are on the cutting edge of some idealistic 3rd party uprising.
This is my concern. I'm afraid that the GOP will mistakenly interpret this signal and move forward as it was a referendum FOR the GOP. This would bode poorly for ALL Conservatives and Patriots. The GOP needs to run clean campaigns like Scott Brown did (as far as I've seen) and stuff the Liberals in the dirt. I'm not real happy with a "moderate Conservative", though. However, for Mass., this is a significant statement by the people. I just don't want the GOP to get all crazy and shit just because of this victory. IMO, an ideal makeup of the Senate would be 50 of one party, 50 of another and 1 of a third. That way, if anything actually got done, it would be in the best interest of the PEOPLE.
And peple here who aslo can't take a step back long enough to see that the OP was correct. This exact same thing happened last year, just roles reversed.
I live to bash the GOP? Seems to me there are people here who can't handle ANY criticism of the GOP. And peple here who aslo can't take a step back long enough to see that the OP was correct. This exact same thing happened last year, just roles reversed. Don't like it? I don't care, but to attack me rather than acknowledging it's true, or stating it's not, is... wel... becoming common place.
Get over yourself.
You posted the thread dude,stop fussing that people called you on it.
Guess you should have put up a statement saying that no taking to task is allowed and begged for it to be locked.
You got the attention you crave though so will give you that much and hope you are not deeply offended by someone telling you to grow up.
Know you won`t listen because you are soooooo much better then everyone else here and only your opinions matter.
:whatever:
I live to bash the GOP? Seems to me there are people here who can't handle ANY criticism of the GOP. And peple here who aslo can't take a step back long enough to see that the OP was correct. This exact same thing happened last year, just roles reversed. Don't like it? I don't care, but to attack me rather than acknowledging it's true, or stating it's not, is... wel... becoming common place.
Get over yourself.
Gotta love the personal attacks from the people cannot have the conversation about the facts.
If you're defense is to call names or insult, please head over to DU - you'll be more comfortable.
Rush and Hannity, as well as the local talk show hosts here in MN, have been talking referendum all friggen week.
Take a step back from your emotional high long enough to gain some perspective on what is happening. See the forest for the trees - the right is no different than the left in the "referendum" claims.
Yeah yeah yeah the left is no different from the right. :whatever:
Don't you have a John Birch Society meeting to attend.
:yawn:
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troof right there.
Y'all get pissed when someone points out the truth. Fawk yer senstive. And please stop calling me a Paul supporter - we've been through that one enough already. Moving goal-posts. That's funny fawking shit right there.
Can you translate that to english? I realize you were typing one handed but c'mon.
Kinda hypocritical that you ask us to stop calling you a paulista when you had no problem insinuating I was a DU member...or should be.
Y'all get pissed when someone points out the truth.
Remember this thread? :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:
Yeah I do. You are still wrong as there is no VALID COMPARISON.
and you offer no evidence to suggest otherwise...
You Republicans are so married to your emotions - it makes me laugh.
It's not a spin. The entire women's glass ceiling, Coakley's campaign did this to themselves, yada yada is all damage control. This is MA. Statewide election for federal seat = Democrat victory. Period. Witness John Kerry -- the biggest elitist bore this commonwealth has ever seen. Zero personality. Conducts his campaigns pretty much step for step how Coakley did her campaign. Wins in a landslide again and again.
The Democrats and unenrolled (which you would refer to as Independents) had quite enough of Obamacare and the super majority. They did this. You don't get 1.1 million folks to head out in a snow/ice storm to stand in line to vote for Brown because Coakley ran a bad campaign. That explanation is not only lame as all get out, it is incredibly ignorant.
Message sent to the country from non-conservatives. See the folks that the "real conservatves" take great lengths to make snarky comments about, accomplished what the "real conservatives" could not do. They are the changemakers. You are not.
Carl nailed it with the whining on the sidelines comment. Ya ain't happy unless you are complaining.
and you offer no evidence to suggest otherwise...
You Republicans are so married to your emotions - it makes me laugh.
Not miffed at all. Just find it utterly hilarious how the Right bitches about the Left's spin... and then does the exact same thing.
Sit on sideline.. :lmao:
Who the hell are you kidding. This doesn't make you laugh. You are a miserable bitter party of one who does nothing but complain and very little else.
As for evidence? WTF are you talking about. National presidential election vs. U.S. senate seat? are you kidding me right now?
If you're going to ACT like a DUer with constant insults and personal attacks of those that disagree with you, don't be shocked if someone makes the comparison.
:bawl: :bawl: :bawl: :bawl: :bawl:
The weather is all you have?
What about the massive shift in voting in '08 from R to D?
I forgot - that doesn't count because it doesn't align with the GOP love fest. My bad. :rotf:
Jeeze, doesn't anyone have some Holy water to sprinkle on this thread?
by holy water do you mean bullets and by sprinkle do you mean purging the ronbots?
:-)
Careful, lest you offend the Republicans in the house.
I have to laugh - "Conservative" Cave is the name, and (many) Conservatives are hated here.
Here's a damn idea for ya.......................START YOUR OWN ****ING WEBSITE YOU PAULISTA POS
Careful, lest you offend the Republicans in the house.
I have to laugh - "Conservative" Cave is the name, and (many) Conservatives are hated here.
How very creative.
::)
Once again proving that DUers aren't the only ones that vehemently oppose views they don't agree with.
BTW... I include myself here on this.
I too vehemently oppose those that disagree with me on occassion too.
I'm just not that creative with HTML or BB tags.
It's all good!
:cheersmate:
No actually tired of listening to all the ******* bitching over and over and over by one particular poster who believes he is the only conservative on this damn earth.
He's not.........that I can assure you.
after the bullshit that happened on CU, ronbots and 'true conservatives' need to walk on eggshells least they become endangered species.
And I tend to agree with bkg in that the Republican party has largely forgotten about conservatism. I happen to believe also that both major political parties have morphed and continue to morph in accordance with their respective leadership to the point that they're essentially not recognizeable any more.
How very creative.
::)
Once again proving that DUers aren't the only ones that vehemently oppose views they don't agree with.
BTW... I include myself here on this.
I too vehemently oppose those that disagree with me on occassion too.
I'm just not that creative with HTML or BB tags.
It's all good!
:cheersmate:
You know what...you're sure as hell long on slogans and bashing but short on ideas.
Reminds me of the Dems.
You're all for tossing out the Republican party on it's ear...but once you get past the sloganeering..you're got squat for ideas.
How about coming up with something that requires more thought and less knee jerk.
ALthough I do think that the Repub party leadership is going to force one into being if they don't get their act together and start acting in a more conservative fashion.
like voting for real conservatives
getting rid of as many RINOs as we can
generally holding our elected idiots feet to the fire when they fail to act in accordance with our wishes
So its NOT constructive or practical to vote for the most conservative candidate we can and expecting them to actually act like a conservative once they are elected?
My plan? To do exactly that, and to encourage others to do the same.
There is a rapidly growing number of conservative folks that are pretty fed up with the direction of the GOP in recent years. If the GOP doesn't start paying attention to the desires of conservatives, the people that reach the point where they have had enough will simply stop voting GOP and either create a third party or just stop voting and stay home.
I appreciate the civility in your response and I will try to be less caustic with others here. You set a pretty good example for me to attempt to follow.
I may not always agree, but I will try to less pissy about it in my responses.
If you don't live in one of these states, you can have no impact upon who gets elected there.......simple fact of life, and there is no sense "beating a dead horse" about it......
That is such a politically and intellectually shallow statement I don't know where to begin.
Sigh. TRG, if you don't know where to begin, then what are you yapping about? Sheesh. :whatever:
Look the Republicans aren't perferct...no political party is and no solution the 100%'ers on here claim to have is either.
I never said anything about ANY political party being perfect - as creations by and of people, they are, by definition, flawed. Study some organizational theory sometime and then come back and tell me that political parties stay resolute and entrenched in their ideology - fact is, they don't. Don't believe me? Just take a look at McLame's own morph over the years. As the Republican poster child for the campaign of 2008, he left a helluva lot to be desired.
But dammit they are right on issues more than they are wrong and they are certainly mor of a mindset with the American people thatn ANY Dem I can think of right now.
Great! Then vote Republican! Every time! :lmao:
When they are right we need to back them and point out when they are wrong.
I'll agree with you on that - and I'm pointing out right now that the Republican party, under the spineless leadership of Michael Steele, is not in a position to oust the Dems right now. In point of fact, the Dems are doing a marvelous job in ousting themselves, dontcha think?
Tossing the baby out with the bathwater just helps the political party we are struggling against.
I don't believe I said anything about tossing any baby out with the bathwater, even when it comes to metaphors. Like it or not, we're stuck with the bullshit two-party system. As much as I'd love to interject a third party (I like odd numbers, okay? :-) ), that practice has largely failed to confront the real scourge, which is liberalism.
They LOVE to see posts that tout and hear experts claim "there's no difference between the parties".
In actual practice, despite the examples you cite below, the current crop of Republicans continue to spend and continue to expand government. Just how is that dissimilar from the Dems?
If there's no difference between the aprties then maybe you can point out the Republican Congressman or President that would have EVER supported having as an assistant AG the laywer that defended John Walker Lindh...or as the Assistant Solicitor General of the U.S. the laywer for Absul Hamden?
That's a strawman and you know it.
Which Republican Congressman...AG or President would have supported criminilazing terrorist interrogations?
I'll go you one better - check out McLame's connections with the Contras/U.S. Council for World Freedoms - the CWF being a conduit for funds to the Contras, a known terrorist organization. Oddly enough, terrorist organizations don't all have to be left-wing moonbats or even islamofascists.
You don't see Republicans coming up with the anti-business anti-capitalism programs designed to take us into socialism that the Democrats are. That's correct - and that's because they're too busy signing on to more government. (It's hard to do more than one thing at a time when you're a congressman.)
Saying there's no difference between the parties might get you a lot of rah-rah's on some internet chat site...but it doesn't mean squat in reality...and it plays into what the Dems want.
I don't particularly care what Dems want -- that's not why I posted the comment I did. I posted the comment because I'm fundamentally disgusted with Congress (as is the vast majority of Americans today). While I acknowledge that, in general, a Republican is preferred to a Dem (absent more in-depth study vis a vis Scuzzyfavabeans), being a Republican isn't an automatic ticket for my vote.
I get screwed over by those elected in other states.
I don't think that this is what our founders had in mind.
But then again, I don't think they envisioned the type of "full time" congress we currently have.
But my disgust for Steele is only exceeded by my disgust for Congress.
I suspect I'm not alone in that.
The likelyhood of changing it is remote, regardless of how desireable......
So we should all just sit back and not even attempt to change it?
Are you honestly advocating the support of status quo just because changing it would be difficult?
So we should all just sit back and not even attempt to change it?
Are you honestly advocating the support of status quo just because changing it would be difficult?
There is no magic bullet, just as there is no Republican plan right now. Steele is useless and should've stepped down after the election. I'd love for the RNC to step up and exert some leadership, but under Steele, it hasn't happened.
Responding to TVDOC's observation for the necessity for a plan, my plan has been and continues to be asserting my objections to the RNC. I haven't broadcasted those issues on this board because they've been sporadic and less focused than I'd prefer. But my disgust for Steele is only exceeded by my disgust for Congress.
I suspect I'm not alone in that.
Wait...you've had any idea that is any better?
No one is saying the status quo should remain in place.
Support the Republicans when they do something right and hold them accountable when they don't.
But for God sakes your assinine idea of not supporting the party as a whole or just thrown them ALL out is just plain stupid and politically shallow.
Euph I see you put all of about 5 minutes of thought into your reply...which is pretty good for you on this.
But I still see you...like bkg and a couple of others are really long on rhetoric and short on real ideas.
How about next time...bring your nose and your high brow down out of the clouds...quit treating those that don't agree with you like we're stupid and actually give us what YOU think the Republican/Conservative plan should be.
Cause right now you're about 7 paragraphs shy of an op order on this one.
My idea was to throw out ALL the RINOs and not just blindly follow the GOP lead by supporting whatever candidate that they happen to like.
If that occassionally means voting for a conservative independant then by all means that it what I am going to do.
I will support the candidate that I think will best represent my views regardless of what letter they put behind their name.
If that pisses off the broken glass republicans, I really don't give a damn.
:yawn:
Who's banging the rhetoric drum on this one, Tex? Here's a hint - take a look at yourgarbageverbiage just above.
Here's a news flash for you now that we're in condescension mode - your worship of the Republican party blinds you from seeing reality. Of course if you like walking around with a white cane, that's your business.
Show me where I'm wrong then.
Tell ya what...you go back and show where I've shown some "worship" of the GOP and I'll stand down.
I dare ya. Go back and dig up archives at CU if you want to.
But then it seems that your idea of "blind worship" is anyone who doesn't agree with your lame-ass theory that there is no difference between the Republicans and Democrats and that we should just toss them al lout and start over.
No plan...no clue as to the way we should go other than to belittle and berate anyone who dares challenge you to actually THINK instead of just knee jerk.
You keep beating that drum and then get back to me on who is really playing the rhetoric game.
Instead of criticizing the criticism of the two political parties and how they're fundamentally the same, i.e., serve themselves first,
Obamacare, brought to you by the "real conservatives." You own it, wear it proud.
I think the term 100 percenter is bandied about far too frequently.
Some have reached the point where they will call anyone that disagrees with the recent behavior of the GOP leadership as a 100 percenter.
Who here is exactly following the GOP lead as you say?
And what happens when he gets shut out of both Caucus'? How's that vote work for you then?
You call yourself a Conservative and then sit there and say you'd vote for a Dem?
Really?
How does it feel to have marginalized yourself from reality in the political world?
Perhaps you're right......however, for me, it's one of those pesky......"if the shoe fits".....things.....
doc
OK. Perhaps I am missing something here.
What is the accepted definition of a 100 percenter?
Thanks Doc.
Perhaps in my expressions of what I desire, I may have come off as a 100 percenter to some. But I assure you that I am well aware of the politcal realties.
I don't have to like it do I?
I can voice my opinion and work to change the status quo.
Which is pretty much what I have been attempting to convey even if ineffectively per some here.
Actually that is hyperbole, and simply not true......
2008:
Then there were those who didn't show up. There were 4.1 million fewer Republicans voting this year than in 2004. Some missing Republicans had turned independent or Democratic for this election. But most simply stayed home. Ironically for a campaign that featured probably the last Vietnam veteran to run for president, 2.7 million fewer veterans voted. There were also 4.1 million fewer voters who attend religious services more than once a week. Americans aren't suddenly going to church less; something was missing from the campaign to draw out the more religiously observant.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122653996148523063.html
2008:
Then there were those who didn't show up. There were 4.1 million fewer Republicans voting this year than in 2004. Some missing Republicans had turned independent or Democratic for this election. But most simply stayed home. Ironically for a campaign that featured probably the last Vietnam veteran to run for president, 2.7 million fewer veterans voted. There were also 4.1 million fewer voters who attend religious services more than once a week. Americans aren't suddenly going to church less; something was missing from the campaign to draw out the more religiously observant.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122653996148523063.html
I wasted my vote on McCain.
BTW...everyone notice how McCain is faking a right hand turn lately?
I wasted my vote on McCain.
BTW...everyone notice how McCain is faking a right hand turn lately?
Running right like the hounds of hell are on his tail.......BUT, this just proves my point that all along.....he simply cannot be trusted.....
doc
Running right like the hounds of hell are on his tail.......BUT, this just proves my point that all along.....he simply cannot be trusted.....
doc
I can see where that might irritate a 100 percenter republican like yourself.
You simply can not comprehend that folks might view things differently than you do.
But the politcal reality is, some do.
You don't have to like it or approve of it. But live with it you must.
I knew that even as I held my nose and voted for him in 2008.
Lessor of two evils thing.
But according to some... I should continue to do so.
Couldn't have been that McCain was a crappy candidate, that ran a lackluster campaign......running in an environment where the public was war-weary, and pissed about a huge give-away that the current administration initiated, and McCain suspended his effort to go vote for.........nah......couldn't have been that......if he hadn't selected Palin as his running mate....Obama would have won 65% of the vote.....
Vietnam vet or not, most of the military recognized him for what he was......an old tired retread......most members of the military have seen the type, if they are still in, they are flying a desk in the Pentagon with stars on their collar......doesn't mean they are presidential timber.
Don't forget that John Kerry was in Vietnam........
doc
When the alternative is Barack Hussein Obama you don't stay home. You vote. It really is that simple.
You are certainly entitled to your opinion, regardless of how incorrect it may be.....
doc
we need to bring "The Rove" out of retirement......probably the finest campaign strategist in the past century.....it CAN be done....
doc
While I agree with that assessment, but it's not even necessary this time around...Everyone is mad at Obama, with the exception of the fierce left wing nutjobs....I think he will be easy to beat on 012 with this Healthcare fiasco. Even democrats I work with (with a few lib exceptions) are not happy with him.
I knew that even as I held my nose and voted for him in 2008.
Lessor of two evils thing.
But according to some... I should continue to do so.
I did too.
“Constantly choosing the lesser of two evils is still choosing evil.â€~ Jerry Garcia.
We just had the biggest piece of socialist legislation pushed through by a supermajority that the "real conservatives" installed because they instead of placing an (R) in office, decided to stay home -- throwing their you-know-it's-all-about-me-and-MY-feelings trantrums on political boards instead of voting to maintain the balance.
But but... "they" didn't put up a candidate I liked and "they" aren't listening to me <------ why the freakin hell am I then only who sees the fundamental flaws in this reasoning.
Obamacare, brought to you by the "real conservatives." You own it, wear it proud.
I think the term 100 percenter is bandied about far too frequently.
Some have reached the point where they will call anyone that disagrees with the recent behavior of the GOP leadership as a 100 percenter.
Here we go again. You get dialed up and it's off to the races. :whatever:
I'm not going to play your silly game -- invest (potentially) hours re-reading your "posts" on dozens of issues in an effort to find a term that approximates "worship" of the GOP.
You don't worship the GOP? Fine. Have it your way. Makes no difference to me either way.
Just don't sit there and tell me there are fundamental differences between the two parties - Dem and GOP - when Congress' own approval ratings hover somewhere near 11%.
Notice that the American people don't distinguish between the two parties -- they both suck pretty much equally. That's the point I'm making.
Mathematically, I think it's a long stretch to even try to segregate the parties when the very PROOF of how the politicians are executing their individual party platforms sucks as bad as it does.
Plan. Yeah, right. There you go with your "plan" thing again. *Sigh*
What about your plan is so monstrously genius that the eggheads and think tanks in D.C. haven't already thought of it?
Instead of criticizing the criticism of the two political parties and how they're fundamentally the same, i.e., serve themselves first, how are you so brilliant that you've blown the doors off the Mensa charts?
Are you that much in love with yourself that you can't see the forest for the trees?
Lessor of two evils...I'm not leasing.
yeah, Jerry Garcia is a great example of choosing right over wrong.
No a 100%'er as I have used the term going back to my early days on FR are the people just like you. They run around crowing on and on about how there's no difference between the parties. How there's not a candidate that does what THEY want so they're just gonna stay home and not vote. They sneer at those of us that say that to beat back the Communists in the Dem party we need to work from within the GOP.
All the while having no other "plan" than to either a) not vote or b) saying we should just toss everyone out and start over.
Sound camiliar?
Roger that......tensions are running high right now, and it is going to get worse by November......hell, I just got off the phone with the former House majority "whip's" executive assistant......I've never done this before.....the candidate's name is Roy Blunt, and he is running for the senate seat here in Missouri that is being vacated by Kit Bond.....
The call was prompted by a letter that I received asking for campaign donations, so I called his office in DC, and asked for his legislative assistant, and told the operator that I had some very specific questions that I wanted to ask him about his position on issues, before I write him a check.......
Now Roy Blunt has been a consistant conservative since forever, but I wanted to make sure that if elected to the senate, the "McCain" syndrome would not set in......plus, the outgoing senator, Kit Bond, has been becoming more and more "mushy" on his positions over the past few years, so I wanted answers to some VERY pointed questions, and wanted to hear his legislative plans if elected......
It was a refreshing 45 minutes on the phone, and this guy called a "spade a spade" on everything from "amnesty" to what actions he planned to persue on HCR......he was very clear, and that was refreshing......
As an aside, I asked hom about the Republican plans for the HCR, and his answer was simply......"we are going to win back the House.......and gut this thing from top to bottom.......we can't repeal it, but we can certainly bring implementation of it to a screeching halt.......the majority made a BIG mistake delaying the onset of benefits for four years.....by that time, we will drive a stake through its heart".............
That, at least was encouraging....
doc
So defending my position aganing a lot of hot air from you is "off to the races"? Interesting.
Typical. Make an accusation...then when asked to back it up...back off. ANother group tends to do that too.
Then why even make the statement in the first place? Are you just that programmed to knee jerl react to anyone who disagrees with your Birch Society view of the world that you jsut engage your mouth before you brain?
Think before you hit enter. Might save you some embarassment.
The list of differences is long and distinctive. If you think you can pull your head out of your ass for about 5 minutes at somepoint I'd be happy to show you.
I know what the ratings are. I'm in Germany not bum f*ck Siberia. It's completely dishonest intellectually of you to imply though that the both parties share the blame for that.
Here...I'll do for you like I do for teh DUmmies...remind me again who's been in charge of the House AND Senate for the last four years. Since right about the time those ratings started do head towards single digits.
Hey genius you're the one going around actuing like you have the superior way to run the show. All I'm asking you to do is stop claiming you're f*cking the goat and actually grab the horns and do it.
Never said I had one. All I've suggested...much to your amusement is that we work within the party. Support the candidates that support our values and vote out the ones that don't. Support the party when they do something right..like stand up against Obamacare...and hold their feet to the fire when they support crap like amnesty for ilelgals.
Anything is better than spouting crap that would ensure Dem majority rule for the next couple generations.
I'm sorry...my DAP to english decoder is broken. WTF did you jsut say?
Ouch? Was that suppsoed to hurt? :whatever: You might actually have some credibility on that statement if you hadn't been looking in the mirror when you typed it.
I read your post with interest, doc, and as a fellow Missourian (not born here, but here's where I hang up my hat) I'm encouraged by this news.
With McCaskill being so Blue her eyes are clouded over, we absolutely have to balance her leftist lunacy out. Bond got wobbly because he's outta there (it's harder to stick to principles when you're alimp dick, er, lame duck), so it's good riddance.
TRG, you're not defending anything other than your right to run your mouth.
I have little time and patience to bandy back and forth with you on this or any other issue. I'd say "let's agree to disagree" and let it go at that, but it appears to me that you want to wallow in the mud.
I ain't wallowing with you -- not because you're right, but simply because I'm not interested.
After awhile, Tex, you get boring. Same ol' same ol' -- you do it with rich and with others, so if that makes you happy, hey, go for it. :whatever:
Isn't there an intelligent discussion somewhere in this thread?
What's your plan genius? I'm doing everything I CAN do. I vote, I write, call and fax my elected representatives. I donate when I can to the campaigns of individuals that I like.
Other than getting on this message board and attempting to denigrate those that don't agree with you, what the **** have you done?
Oh and by the way, if you would take your damn blinders off you would have seen over and over again what my plan is. But nooooo.... you are too damn busy acting like a know it all jackass.
Color me shocked at your response.
Translated: I don't have jack sh*t to say once someone looks beyond my hollow rhetoric.
Plenty of intelligent discussion about the subject all around you...but you're head is jammed so far up your fourth point of contact you're missing it.