Let the spin begin.
Hi,
I understood Coakley basically said it was the Obama agenda that did her in. If she said that, I agree with her. When I heard BO was headed to campaign for her, I cheered because, just like the olympics, I knew he would hurt her more than help. The focus group on Fox where they had all registered democrats confirmed that, they do not want the health care bill, and they do not like the way Obama is going about his business.
regards,
5412
Dear President Obama,
Happy one-year anniversary!
Hope you like your present.
Love,
Massachusetts.
Rep. Chris Van Hollen of Maryland, head of the House Democrats' campaign effort, said Coakley's loss won't deter his colleagues from continuing to blame the previous administration.:lmao:
Health Care
I believe that all Americans deserve health care coverage, but I am opposed to the health care legislation that is under consideration in Congress and will vote against it. It will raise taxes, increase government spending and lower the quality of care, especially for elders on Medicare. I support strengthening the existing private market system with policies that will drive down costs and make it easier for people to purchase affordable insurance. In Massachusetts, I support the 2006 healthcare law that was successful in expanding coverage, but I also recognize that the state must now turn its attention to controlling costs.
Like everybody else on CC, I'm heartened by Brown's win and, most notably, by the slap in Obama's face that is a result.
Regarding healthcare, however, I'm a little concerned by this statement from Brown's web site:
Link (http://www.brownforussenate.com/issues)
One of the hallmarks of the federal POS Obamacare legislation was, so I've read, that it was very much patterned after the Massachusetts program. Yeah, I know the feds piled on a lot more pork and a lot of garbage that rendered the half-assed effort the "High Exalted Turd Status", but it sounds to me like Brown doesn't have a fundamental problem with mandatory health care provided by the Commonwealth of Massachusetts.
Brown has been pretty clear about his intention to torpedo Obamacare, but this business about the Masshole program bugs me a little bit.
Is Brown trying to play both ends against the middle? :???:
Before we get to crazy, remember one small thing, kids:
As inept and incompetent as Coakley was, she STILL got 47 percent of the vote.
I don't think anybody has lost sight of the fact that Masshole is still a blue state. This election simply allows the few reds who remain a chance to bask in the glow for awhile. Lighten up, Francis.
Before we get to crazy, remember one small thing, kids:
As inept and incompetent as Coakley was, she STILL got 47 percent of the vote.
I'll "lighten up" if and when the GOP ALSO learns from this. It isn't a mandate FOR the GOP so much as it's a refutation of big government liberalism. Never forget that there's only a shadow's worth of difference between the Dems and Republicans once inside the Beltway.
I saw what happened after 1994, and wasn't thrilled by it. I'm hoping we don't have a repeat of the drunken sailor spending RINOs we got after that election.
Blue ain't goin' over to purple. And probably not ever in your part of the country.
OK, let's take a little reality check here:
Luntz's Dem focus group was on camera this morning, far and away their most common comment about Obama boiled down to them still loving him but being disappointed in the results so far, only a handful of them had decided (or had the balls to say out loud) that he was a phony. Many of them said something to the effect of 'He hasn't really been given a chance' (Remember, these are Democrats, not rational humans).
Brown is a MASSACHUSSETTS Republican, not a Tennessee or Texas or Wyoming Republican. He's not thinking along the same lines as some kind of sane Ron Paul, and he wouldn't have won in that state if he was.
A lot of Republicans DO want to see some work done on health care, just not the same KIND of work Obama had in mind. Obama wanted 'Free' health care for some core Democrat constituencies, funding for that at the expense of constituencies that weren't as large in numbers of voters and weren't his voters, protection of the American Trial Lawyers Assn from any kind of tort reform, and special treatment for the unions (I'm sure he wanted to have the Feds pick up the tab for the UAW retiree health fund, but that wasn't the bill he got, as things eventuated). A lot of Republicans would be perfectly fine with a health care reform act that actually reformed something instead of being a blatant vote-buying, special-interest payoff bill...things like 0 some kind of limit or reform of tort liability, portability or some kind of interstate competition in health insurance, and incorporating some sort of last-ditch way to cover those shunned by free market insurers. It's not that the GOP repudiates any kind of health care reform, it's that the existing bills are anything but a 'Reform.'
Rep. Chris Van Hollen of Maryland, head of the House Democrats' campaign effort, said Coakley's loss won't deter his colleagues from continuing to blame the previous administration.
Like everybody else on CC, I'm heartened by Brown's win and, most notably, by the slap in Obama's face that is a result.
Regarding healthcare, however, I'm a little concerned by this statement from Brown's web site:
Link (http://www.brownforussenate.com/issues)
One of the hallmarks of the federal POS Obamacare legislation was, so I've read, that it was very much patterned after the Massachusetts program. Yeah, I know the feds piled on a lot more pork and a lot of garbage that rendered the half-assed effort the "High Exalted Turd Status", but it sounds to me like Brown doesn't have a fundamental problem with mandatory health care provided by the Commonwealth of Massachusetts.
Brown has been pretty clear about his intention to torpedo Obamacare, but this business about the Masshole program bugs me a little bit.
Is Brown trying to play both ends against the middle? :???:
Hi,
Likely he was caught in a box. MA health care was passed by a Republican governor and likely he voted for it.
regards,
5412
OK, let's take a little reality check here:
Luntz's Dem focus group was on camera this morning, far and away their most common comment about Obama boiled down to them still loving him but being disappointed in the results so far, only a handful of them had decided (or had the balls to say out loud) that he was a phony. Many of them said something to the effect of 'He hasn't really been given a chance' (Remember, these are Democrats, not rational humans).
Brown is a MASSACHUSSETTS Republican, not a Tennessee or Texas or Wyoming Republican. He's not thinking along the same lines as some kind of sane Ron Paul, and he wouldn't have won in that state if he was.
Hummmmm I've noticed something here this morning.
Obama finally gave the Change he promised.
The Conservatives now have Hope.
:-)
You might be surprised. NH is more balanced than a lot of states, and given what Lynch, Che, Shaheen, and Hodes have done (with Ray Buckey the faux Vietnam Vet/ghey child molestor pushing the agenda), people up here are more than a little pissed at the Dems.
I'll "lighten up" if and when the GOP ALSO learns from this. It isn't a mandate FOR the GOP so much as it's a refutation of big government liberalism. Never forget that there's only a shadow's worth of difference between the Dems and Republicans once inside the Beltway.
I saw what happened after 1994, and wasn't thrilled by it. I'm hoping we don't have a repeat of the drunken sailor spending RINOs we got after that election.
Rep. Chris Van Hollen of Maryland, head of the House Democrats' campaign effort, said Coakley's loss won't deter his colleagues from continuing to blame the previous administration.
People who blame others are losers.
So he's a GOP and not a Conservative, afterall. Doesn't bode well for standing up to DC, eh? :lmao: :lmao:
This statement was posted at Politico. It was met with utter ridicule and derision.
Plus as Rush said today:
....." They are today coming to grips with the fact that if Brown can win in MA......every Democrat seat in the country is now "in play"......"none of them are safe......."
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Brown (and his supporters - not just the MA voters but all of us) need to say, "Okay Dems, we just proved to you that enough is enough and that NO seat is owned by ANYONE!! You do a bad job, expect to be shown the door by the voters." And You members of the GOP (YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE!!) Are next!!!!!!!
I'm on a tear today. :-)
Well, let's see what happens later this year. :popcorn:
And maybe many a GOP seat is in trouble also.
Obama has brought about one big change....and all politicians need to take note.
We all knew there were "shenanigans" going on behind closed doors with deals being made for votes....which is why so many bills have so many extras that have nothing to do with the purpose of the bill.
However....we -the people - could not prove it!
With Obama wanting change for things to be transparent... we-the people - are now so much more AWARE of what these politicians are doing to get the votes!!
When have we ever known about anything like the "Louisiana Purchase", the "Cornhusker" deal, the Unions getting out of paying the same taxes as their non-union peers?
NEVER!!
ALL incumbents need to be put on notice....straighten up and do the will of those who elected you - and do it morally correct - or be prepared to find another job!!!
And while we're at it.....we're going to take away your lifetime benefits too!
Beware Congress-critters....we are :angryvillagers: :angryvillagers: :angryvillagers: and we are uniting against a common enemy!!!!
That would be YOU.... :shame:
Hi,
Not sure I would agree with your assumption. I do not know a lot about it but I understand since Romney was governor of MA the libs have had a hand at changing the MA system, more than likely giving more free stuff to buy votes.
We will see how Mr. Brown turns out.
regards,
5412
The fact that he voted for it - as I read here - is what concerns me. But you're right, we'll see what happens. Hopefully his actions reflect his words.
For what it is worth, Limbaugh said something today I have been thinking about. Don't be so sure Hillary does not challenge Obama in the primaries in 2012. If she wins then it changes the game substiantially. She may be in the eyes of some the salvation of the democrat party.
It will be a replay of 1980 when Carter-Kennedy tore the Dems apart. If the Dems lose more than 30 Seats in the House and more than 5 in the Senate on 2010, I predict Hillary will bolt.
In the spirit of speculation (wild ass guesses :p) it never did make any sense to me why she gave up her Senate seat for the Secretary of State position.
Perhaps a memory of 94 and she didn`t want to be a part of Os far left legislative agenda and the baggage that appears to be gathering?
Hi,
Good point, I never thought of that. At least she has not had to daily defend the undefendable, nor does she have a voting history to be thrown in her face down the road.
thanks,
5412
By far the best post I have seen yet. Why you may ask? Normally I like to test drive before I buy, but with politicians we get sold hype then told to test drive after the buy.
Time will be the test. I count this event as nothing more than a technical victory. The fact it was in Mass is substantial but still proves nothing solid as of yet. We need to get rid of a lot of D's and Rinos at the slaughterhouse and one pig being served up for dinner just is not enough. I want the damn Tbone steak.
How is Brown "not much of a conservative"?
He's from Mass, like our politicians in NY, they are not very conservative. But I'll take him any day.
He does believe in gov run heath care, he just doesn't want this version and he knows that Obama is spending way too much, so he's not going to vote for it. But don't kid yourself, he's not a really big conservative. At least he's not a socialist either.
Either way, it was a vote against Obama and the progressives!